Should NDSU allow beer sales at football games?

[BisonNation11]

Here's a link to a story done about the beer sales at TCF Bank Stadium this year. Should NDSU follow in their footsteps? An extra $1 Million could go a long ways. Thoughts, GO!

http://www.kfgo.com/news-details.php?ID=0000012599

[EndZoneQB]

Yes. Is Steven Threet taking his official visit this weekend? Do you think he would help me access ESPN3? I bet if he comes, the game will be in HD.

[GradBison]

Here's a link to a story done about the beer sales at TCF Bank Stadium this year. Should NDSU follow in their footsteps? An extra $1 Million could go a long ways. Thoughts, GO!

http://www.kfgo.com/news-details.php?ID=0000012599

Lock thread and ban starter.

This was never discussed before.

[pike51]

As a GSU fan, I approve this! Nt just yes, but HELL YES! Let the suds flow!!

[MNLonghorn10]

beer in games is needed. especially on offense, and games vs YSU or ISU-b

[BisonNation11]

Lock thread and ban starter.

This was never discussed before.

Obviously it's been discussed. Now there's some facts about it's benefits and the lack of lawless activity to discuss and use to get NDSU to allow this to happen. Besides, how many times can we seriously smack back and forth with GSU fans. We all know we're going to Frisco! :biggrin:

[TransAmBison]

Can you order beer through ESPN3?

[BisonFan02]

Can you order beer through ESPN3?

Only in West Fargo.

[pike51]

Obviously it's been discussed. Now there's some facts about it's benefits and the lack of lawless activity to discuss and use to get NDSU to allow this to happen. Besides, how many times can we seriously smack back and forth with GSU fans. We all know we're going to Frisco to watch Georgia Southern win #7! :biggrin:

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[Bisonguy]

Can you order beer through ESPN3?

Only if your Internet Suds Provider allows it.

[Tatanka]

When we go back to Frisco, will Steven Threet run out of beer at 8:30pm Central Time on ESPN2?

[pike51]

When we go back to Frisco, will Steven Threet run out of beer at 8:30pm Central Time on ESPN2?

No. But they will cut away from your beer to cover NCAA basketball of Western Montana Arts & Trade vs. Southern Canadian Baptist College

[KSBisonFan]

A better question would be, "Should beer sales/consumption be allowed at my desk in my office?".
I've been wondering how I'd respond to this question so I decided to take a poll and when I answered my own question I said 'yes'. When I went to tally up the vote, it was 100% for the yeses. Pretty much what I expected.
Is it Friday yet?

[bisonaudit]

The lack of incidents is encouraging.

Understand that the $900,000 is a revenue number not a profit number. They haven't reported any of the expenses. Also their stadium is 2.5 times the size of ours and it actually looks as if they drew well. We drink a lot, but I don't think we drink 2x what our MN friends do, so temper the expectations on the $$$ front somewhat.

[GRAFTONBISON]

The lack of incidents is encouraging.

Understand that the $900,000 is a revenue number not a profit number. They haven't reported any of the expenses. Also their stadium is 2.5 times the size of ours and it actually looks as if they drew well. We drink a lot, but I don't think we drink 2x what our MN friends do, so temper the expectations on the $$$ front somewhat.

You really are no fun!! :biggrin:

[gotts]

The lack of incidents is encouraging.

Understand that the $900,000 is a revenue number not a profit number. They haven't reported any of the expenses. Also their stadium is 2.5 times the size of ours and it actually looks as if they drew well. We drink a lot, but I don't think we drink 2x what our MN friends do, so temper the expectations on the $$$ front somewhat.

How long have you been away from North Dakota? :D

[imabison]

As a GSU fan, I approve this! Nt just yes, but HELL YES! Let the suds flow!!

But then I suppose they would have to have what is is Steamed Peanuts also???? :) :)

I personally am just happy to have brews at Tailgating, and not during the game, but that opionion is not shared
on this board :)

[bisonsupporter]

Unfortunately there are too many people that do not know how to control their drinking. I have a few people who sits behind me, brings minis into the game, and drinks during the game. Speech is completely slurred and it makes going to a game not fun. I'm all for having a good time, but I feel there would be too many incidents with the boneheads who cant handle their booze.

[tony]

"Allow beer sales? There should be two-drink minimum!" shouted Chad Greenway.

[Hammerhead]

Even at 1/3 of the sales, that would be $300,000. The taps are already in place so the only big expenses would be for the kegs and some workers to run ID check stations.

I used to volunteer at concession stands to raise money for Shanley High School when the dome was new and we made twice as much money when we had a stand that could sell beer.




Understand that the $900,000 is a revenue number not a profit number. They haven't reported any of the expenses. Also their stadium is 2.5 times the size of ours and it actually looks as if they drew well. We drink a lot, but I don't think we drink 2x what our MN friends do, so temper the expectations on the $$$ front somewhat.

[Vitojr130]

Obviously it's been discussed. Now there's some facts about it's benefits and the lack of lawless activity to discuss and use to get NDSU to allow this to happen. Besides, how many times can we seriously smack back and forth with GSU fans. We all know we're going to Frisco! :biggrin:

Can I haz purple font?

[bisonaudit]

Even at 1/3 of the sales, that would be $300,000. The taps are already in place so the only big expenses would be for the kegs and some workers to run ID check stations.

I used to volunteer at concession stands to raise money for Shanley High School when the dome was new and we made twice as much money when we had a stand that could sell beer.

If NDSU is going to keep the profits they're going to have to pay people to run the taps. If the margin is 50% (wild ass guess) that's $150,000 a year after expenses. If that enough to cover the liability insurance let alone put up with the god awful stink that the prohibitionists are sure to raise yet again?

I'm not saying this is a terrible idea, but there are non-trivial impediments to its realization.

[bisonmike2]

Not only should it be allowed, it should be mandatory.

[HerdBot]

Cut it off early. Proceeds to to the athletic department.

[HerdBot]

If NDSU is going to keep the profits they're going to have to pay people to run the taps. If the margin is 50% (wild ass guess) that's $150,000 a year after expenses. If that enough to cover the liability insurance let alone put up with the god awful stink that the prohibitionists are sure to raise yet again?

I'm not saying this is a terrible idea, but there are non-trivial impediments to its realization.

The margin on tap beer is much more than 50%. Try 250%

[pike51]

But then I suppose they would have to have what is is Steamed Peanuts also???? :) :)

I personally am just happy to have brews at Tailgating, and not during the game, but that opionion is not shared
on this board :)

WTF are steamed peanuts? Y'all do shit weird up there.

[HerdBot]

WTF are steamed peanuts? Y'all do shit weird up there.

WTF is smoked raccoon on a stick? You all do weird shit down there.

[KSBisonFan]

WTF are steamed peanuts? Y'all do shit weird up there.

I think he's referring to 'boiled' peanuts although y'all say dat der as bowled peenits. :biggrin:

[pike51]

I think he's referring to 'boiled' peanuts although y'all say dat der as bowled peenits. :biggrin:

It's bull'd p'nuts. Bowled is what we did Tuesday night.

[pike51]

WTF is smoked raccoon on a stick? You all do weird shit down there.

We ain't got raccoon. But we do have squrrel.

[HerdBot]

I think he's referring to 'boiled' peanuts although y'all say dat der as bowled peenits. :biggrin:

Free cats down der too
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/jesusnixon/free-cat.jpg

[BisonAccountant44]

I believe MN also had only a minimal number stands selling on one side of the stadium (It may have even been outside like a smoking area), and cut off sales at halftime.

If we sold until the end if the 3rd like the NFL does, and used at least two stands, we'd likely make up for a decent chunk of that attendance differential.

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[HerdBot]

We ain't got raccoon. But we do have squrrel.

I ear dey sell deez at da session stands at der games? lordy lordy dat der some goooooood stuff yall
http://www.morningstarr.co.uk/forum/attachments/general-discussion/1597d1280478638-squirrel-meat-roast_rat.jpg

[pike51]

I ear dey sell deez at da session stands at der games? lordy lordy dat der some goooooood stuff yall
http://www.morningstarr.co.uk/forum/attachments/general-discussion/1597d1280478638-squirrel-meat-roast_rat.jpg

Damn right. And the darker the meat, the better the taste.

[HerdBot]

Damn right. And the darker the meat, the better the taste.

I hear after about 7 or 8 shots it tastes like chicken. Just make sue you don't look them in the eye while your eatin' em. Kind of creepy having your food stare back at you. And the toenails and scrotum... let's not even go there!

[imabison]

WTF are steamed peanuts? Y'all do shit weird up there.

So what ever they are I heard from the person who was down in Statesboro to never ear them :)

Now give me some homemade crackers spiced to perfection made with Spent Grain from brewing and
boxes would be gone in an instant. Also the bread we sampled last night from the same sources are
excellent.

[bisonaudit]

The margin on tap beer is much more than 50%. Try 250%

Well the margin can't be more than 100% so I've got a assume you're talking about the markup, which would equate to a 60% margin. I know next to nothing about the service business and what costs they'd include in a metric like that but if it's just the cost of the beer, you've still got to pay your servers, maybe some rent or a slice to the FargoDome Authority, licensing? training? insurance? shrinkage? management?

I'm just saying that some number substantially less than the flashy top line revenue number is what's actually going to accrue to NDSU and then you've got to weight that result against whatever additional nonsense you'll have to endure from the tongue clicking set.

[bisonmike2]

Cut it off early. Proceeds to to the athletic department.

Or turn the Fargodome into the club. Game ends at 8, the Dome closes at 2.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Just had a beer at the West Fargo Sonic

[56BISON73]

But then I suppose they would have to have what is is Steamed Peanuts also???? :) :)

I personally am just happy to have brews at Tailgating, and not during the game, but that opionion is not shared
on this board :)

I think boiled peanuts is what you are looking for.

[HerdBot]

Well the margin can't be more than 100% so I've got a assume you're talking about the markup, which would equate to a 60% margin. I know next to nothing about the service business and what costs they'd include in a metric like that but if it's just the cost of the beer, you've still got to pay your servers, maybe some rent or a slice to the FargoDome Authority, licensing? training? insurance? shrinkage? management?

I'm just saying that some number substantially less than the flashy top line revenue number is what's actually going to accrue to NDSU and then you've got to weight that result against whatever additional nonsense you'll have to endure from the tongue clicking set.

Each keg costs about $75-100 and you can get about 170 12oz beers per keg. Its about 1200 gross per keg at $7 each - cost of keg. We would probably sell between 8-10k beers since tcf did between 12-16k and we drink more. Lots of money. The dome has the license and infrastructure to handle it. Let them sell it and knock $ off rent. They are trained to handle it and takes away our liability

[EndZoneQB]

Each keg costs about $75-100 and you can get about 170 12oz beers per keg. Its about 1200 gross per keg at $7 each - cost of keg. We would probably sell between 8-10k beers since tcf did between 12-16k and we drink more. Lots of money. The dome has the license and infrastructure to handle it. Let them sell it and knock $ off rent. They are trained to handle it and takes away our liability

That keg price is if you go and buy it as a consumer. We used to pay ~$85 for them in college.

[HerdBot]

That keg price is if you go and buy it as a consumer. We used to pay ~$85 for them in college.

Yeah i was estimating wholesale on the high side. These are ballpark but hey its clearly a shitload of money. Good for ndsu if we can get a break on expenses, good for the dome, and good for consumers. Lets do it! How about tomorrow!!

[56BISON73]

That keg price is if you go and buy it as a consumer. We used to pay ~$85 for them in college.

85-125 depending on brand. 15.5 gallons x 128oz =1,653oz x10% waste-loss =1,488 oz ~12oz =124 glasses. x 7.00 = $868.00 gross. now deduct the nut.

[devin45k]

after seeing how people were acting at the sioux falls game. I dunno

[chuckles]

Twas the night before the FCS semi-finals and we're giving this horse another beating. Any monies gained in beer sales would probably be spent quadrupling the security / police presence in the dome. Heck, they'd probably have the SWAT and bomb squads standing by as well.

This just in, the west fargo sonic has ESPN 3, serves beer, AND put a sky lounge in each of the corners of the building

MIND . BLOWN!

[KSBisonFan]

Twas the night before the FCS semi-finals and we're giving this horse another beating. Any monies gained in beer sales would probably be spent quadrupling the security / police presence in the dome. Heck, they'd probably have the SWAT and bomb squads standing by as well.

This just in, the west fargo sonic has ESPN 3, serves beer, AND put a sky lounge in each of the corners of the building

MIND . BLOWN!

At least we get to rehash this stuff for 3 weeks between tomorrow and Frisco.....

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Yes

10 char

[56BISON73]

Each keg costs about $75-100 and you can get about 170 12oz beers per keg. Its about 1200 gross per keg at $7 each - cost of keg. We would probably sell between 8-10k beers since tcf did between 12-16k and we drink more. Lots of money. The dome has the license and infrastructure to handle it. Let them sell it and knock $ off rent. They are trained to handle it and takes away our liability

85-125 depending on brand. 15.5 gallons x 128oz =1,653oz x10% waste-loss =1,488 oz ~12oz =124 glasses. x 7.00 = $868.00 gross. now deduct the nut.

[HerdBot]

85-125 depending on brand. 15.5 gallons x 128oz =1,653oz x10% waste-loss =1,488 oz ~12oz =124 glasses. x 7.00 = $868.00 gross. now deduct the nut.

Did you include an inch for the head on the beer? :)

Keg Specifications for U.S. 1/2 Barrel (Standard Keg)
Here's what j found

12 oz. Case Equivalent = 6.8 Cases 12 oz./can or bottle Servings= 165 16 oz./pint servings= 124

[56BISON73]

Did you include an inch for the head on the beer? :)

Keg Specifications for U.S. 1/2 Barrel (Standard Keg)
Here's what j found

12 oz. Case Equivalent = 6.8 Cases 12 oz./can or bottle Servings= 165 16 oz./pint servings= 124

Your point?

[BisonNation11]

Your point?

Easy on the pressure PL. He's figuring how to get this done in the corners of the dome.

[HerdBot]

Your point?

This chart says 165 beers at 12 oz and the inch of head on the cup would account for your 10% waste

[Tatanka]

This chart says 165 beers at 12 oz and the inch of head on the cup would account for your 10% wasteYou sound like an expert on an inch of head.

[HerdBot]

You sound like an expert on an inch of head.

You messed up my joke I was trying to set him up and instead I set myself up

[stevdock]

Unfortunately there are too many people that do not know how to control their drinking. I have a few people who sits behind me, brings minis into the game, and drinks during the game. Speech is completely slurred and it makes going to a game not fun. I'm all for having a good time, but I feel there would be too many incidents with the boneheads who cant handle their booze.

Completely agree.

[Tatanka]

You messed up my joke I was trying to set him up and instead I set myself upcompletely agree




:rofl:

[56BISON73]

You messed up my joke I was trying to set him up and instead I set myself up

Did you really think I was going to fall for that?

[56BISON73]

This chart says 165 beers at 12 oz and the inch of head on the cup would account for your 10% waste

Incorrect. Try again.

[BisonHorns]

I think there should be 5 hour energy drink stands. Some of those mofos need to get the energy to stand up and cheer. I've been by drinking dudes who cheer wildly the first half and then sit worn out the second half.

[56BISON73]

This chart says 165 beers at 12 oz and the inch of head on the cup would account for your 10% waste

Heres a hint for you---- waste is waste. Head = profit. especially in the beer business.

[bisoneer]

I would like to say yes but, too many fans become obnoxius and believe me i have seen it at vikings games, swearing, spiilling beer on fans in rows below, etc. Its not as fun as it sounds. So, i say no.

[56BISON73]

I would like to say yes but, too many fans become obnoxius and believe me i have seen it at vikings games, swearing, spiilling beer on fans in rows below, etc. Its not as fun as it sounds. So, i say no.

There are enough wasted people pissing every 10-15 minutes as it is. They should just get tickets in SRO.

[dragonsfan]

beer sales in fargodome for 2013-2018 pays for the $2million shortfall of the bsa.

[HerdBot]

beer sales in fargodome for 2013-2018 pays for the $2million shortfall of the bsa.

+++ and another national championship gets the 2 million paid for this year... seems to inspire donors so we're playing for the shac too! Problem is I think they dome would take on the project and pass the savings on to NDSU so that money would go to the Athletic Department and not for projects but I could be wrong

[dragonsfan]

city of fargo giving $10 million for a cop shop on 13th and 25th st, but cant give $2 million to the shac?
ps- sell beer at the bsa too!

[NorthernBison]

city of fargo giving $10 million for a cop shop on 13th and 25th st, but cant give $2 million to the shac?
ps- sell beer at the bsa too!

I hope you realize how dumb that comment was. If not, then you can't be helped. Just sayin.

[56BISON73]

I hope you realize how dumb that comment was. If not, then you can't be helped. Just sayin.

You do know who you are posting to dont you?

[NorthernBison]

You do know who you are posting to dont you?

Yes. Still no excuse for him to be a moron. Some people have said he can be a smart cat. I would like him to prove it.

[tjbison]

did I hear right on Mcfeeley today that there is a student group pushing for beer sales at Football games?

[ZHerd]

I would like to say yes but, too many fans become obnoxius and believe me i have seen it at vikings games, swearing, spiilling beer on fans in rows below, etc. Its not as fun as it sounds. So, i say no.

^^This^^Many of us are not interested in drinking at games and have seen it completely drag down the atmosphere in places that have it. Bison games are great as they currently stand.

[devin45k]

Heck no....After seeing how drunk and obnoxious fans were at the USD game in Sioux Falls, I definitely don't want it.

[A1pigskin]

A beer during a game would be nice, but I am against having beer available for the entire game. Too people turn into a-holes when drinking. It really shows on some people before a game starts. Too many young kids around to see that type BS behavior. There may be great money in the sales but you have to look beyond the money.

[tjbison]

did I hear right on Mcfeeley today that there is a student group pushing for beer sales at Football games?


so did it come up today or did I hear wrong

[A1pigskin]

I can see students pushing for it because that's what some do.

[HerdBot]

I'm starting to change my tune on this. Why do we need beer? Its not like people aren't rowdy enough at the games. By not having beer I guarantee that a majority of the crowd will leave the game safer. There are a ton of kids there and many students are under 21. Its just a train wreck waiting to happen and the press that goes with it will be negative. Right now we have a family friendly environment but its still rowdy. Could we earn some extra revenue? Yeah but I don't think its as big as we think. The Gophers LOST money. Serious? I'm not completely against it and I could change my mind. I would rather see beer expanded to the milk lot on the east

[BisonHorns]

I am against it. Unless it is Pabst or Shlitz.... then I am willing to listen.

[bisonmike2]

Heck no....After seeing how drunk and obnoxious fans were at the USD game in Sioux Falls, I definitely don't want it.

Your autocorrect changed "hell yes!!!!!" to "heck no" and "passionate and intense" to "drunk and obnoxious".

[perthbison]

I am against it. Unless it is Pabst or Shlitz.... then I am willing to listen.or perhaps Hamms?

[BisonEngrGirl]

I'm starting to change my tune on this. Why do we need beer? Its not like people aren't rowdy enough at the games. By not having beer I guarantee that a majority of the crowd will leave the game safer. There are a ton of kids there and many students are under 21. Its just a train wreck waiting to happen and the press that goes with it will be negative. Right now we have a family friendly environment but its still rowdy. Could we earn some extra revenue? Yeah but I don't think its as big as we think. The Gophers LOST money. Serious? I'm not completely against it and I could change my mind. I would rather see beer expanded to the milk lot on the east

We need beer because ND is the #1 beer-consuming state. It's just how we roll. College fb needs to get on board!

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[ndsubison1]

^^This^^Many of us are not interested in drinking at games and have seen it completely drag down the atmosphere in places that have it. Bison games are great as they currently stand.

and some are interested in drinking at the game. not like people cant get drunk before the game anyways. as for spilling, ive heard stories of ppl getting puked on at bison games, yet alcohol is banned...

[ndsubison1]

A beer during a game would be nice, but I am against having beer available for the entire game. Too people turn into a-holes when drinking. It really shows on some people before a game starts. Too many young kids around to see that type BS behavior. There may be great money in the sales but you have to look beyond the money.

do it like colorado state and stop after halftime

[tjbison]

as some are interested in drinking at the game. not like people cant get drunk before the game anyways. as for spilling, ive heard stories of ppl getting puked on at bison games, yet alcohol is banned...

I've had water, Pepsi, nacho cheese and dip dots spilt on me, maybe we should ban those also

I would have no problem with a 3 rd qtr cutoff of beer sales. people say it's safer to drive out after but haveno problem drinking 1 or 2 waiting for the cars to leave

[56BISON73]

Lets see 5 1/2 hours of tailgating plus another 3 1/2 hours of game time. 9 hours of drinking. What could possibly go wrong in this scenario?????????????????????????????

[tjbison]

Lets see 5 1/2 hours of tailgating plus another 3 1/2 hours of game time. 9 hours of drinking. What could possibly go wrong in this scenario?????????????????????????????


not everyone tailgates, hell I see just as many people leaving the tailgate lot at game time as going into the game

but also I could really care less if the do or don't sell beer. even at Colorado st last year I didn't even buy a beer was ready for water by kickoff

[ndsubison1]

Lets see 5 1/2 hours of tailgating plus another 3 1/2 hours of game time. 9 hours of drinking. What could possibly go wrong in this scenario?????????????????????????????

ill admit at games that sell in the stadium i have far less at tailgating

[56BISON73]

ill admit at games that sell in the stadium i have far less at tailgating

Why would that be a determining factor in how much you drink?

[kab1one]

ill admit at games that sell in the stadium i have far less at tailgating

Due to younger children, I show up about 15 minutes before the game. I can't tail gate. But I want to have a drink or 6.

Limit it and shut it down at half time.

I think a few are snuck into the dome and a few are drank in the suites during the games.

Concerts, UND Hockey and lunch all allow for beer.

Its all about revenues. Either NDSU, the Fargo dome or the charities manning the concessions should sell booze and get the money. Chubs is great, but they get the revenue all week. Don't need it on game day as well. . It will be drank before the game and after.

[ndsubison1]

Why would that be a determining factor in how much you drink?

"sell in stadium"

[kab1one]

"sell in stadium"

Sell two in the stadium. Yes you can circumvent. but limit beers. Sale. Two per ticket. Hand standstampts.

Most people aren't going to abuse. They just want to have a $7/beer.

[A1pigskin]

I am against it. Unless it is Pabst or Shlitz.... then I am willing to listen.

Go drink some piss they are about the same, especially when they are warm..

[Bison bison]

I've had water, Pepsi, nacho cheese and dip dots spilt on me, maybe we should ban those also


when dippin dots are outlawed, only...


...nevermind

[td577]

I think it has become a pretty good experience up to this point without beer sales. I don't know if it would change much because I do think there is a portion of the crowd that loads up right before kick-off and probably hit a wall 30 minutes into it. That segment might be easier to deal with. I have also been to games where beer is sold and can't remember feeling like it added or subtracted anything from my experience. Just a Vikings game once where the guy one row down threw up and had to be led out by friends, but he was drunk before he got there.

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[A1pigskin]

[QUOTE=td577;784222]I think it has become a pretty good experience up to this point without beer sales. I don't know if it would change much because I do think there is a portion of the crowd that loads up right before kick-off and probably hit a wall 30 minutes into it. That segment might be easier to deal with. I have also been to games where beer is sold and can't remember feeling like it added or subtracted anything from my experience. Just a Vikings game once where the guy one row down threw up and had to be led out by friends, but he was drunk before he got there.

Could you tell what he had to eat?

[CAS4127]

I'm starting to change my tune on this. Why do we need beer? Its not like people aren't rowdy enough at the games. By not having beer I guarantee that a majority of the crowd will leave the game safer. There are a ton of kids there and many students are under 21. Its just a train wreck waiting to happen and the press that goes with it will be negative. Right now we have a family friendly environment but its still rowdy. Could we earn some extra revenue? Yeah but I don't think its as big as we think. The Gophers LOST money. Serious? I'm not completely against it and I could change my mind. I would rather see beer expanded to the milk lot on the east

I agree--we have plenty of time to party tailgate-style. Go in after watch and be loud and get home safely!!


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[Bison03]

Never going to happen. If you need to drink you sorrows during a football game, I know a building that you can accomplish both.

[RockyMountainBison]

Still think to open the doors and allow re-entry at halftime to go back out and refresh yourself would be a fine solution to all of these problems. Just my $.02.

[bisonmike2]

Selling beer in stadium does not mean we're endorsing drunken behavior. It's an option to buy beer in the stadium if you want it, not a requirement. Is this not America? Do we not believe in freedom? Give me the option to buy a beer if I want it, don't tell me I can't have it!


Aye, drink beer in the Fargodome and you may die. Don't drink it, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell the prohibitionist that they may take our beers, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

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[1st&TennBison]

Selling beer in stadium does not mean we're endorsing drunken behavior. It's an option to buy beer in the stadium if you want it, not a requirement. Is this not America? Do we not believe in freedom? Give me the option to buy a beer if I want it, don't tell me I can't have it!



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Sure you have the freedom to have a beer, just like the Fargodome and or NDSU (whoever is the decision maker on beer sales) has the freedom to say you can't have one inside the dome. You have your freedom to have one, just not at their event, don't like the rules then don't go. I think that adding beer sales inside the just adds to the possibility of someone driving home drunk. Go to the tailgate lot, go to a local bar, drink at your house but do those before the game and people that drink just a little to much have the game time to stop and take a break from drinking by watching the game for 3 hours. If people need a beer that badly during the game that they just can't stand it or they think it makes the game day less fun have a whole lot more to worry about than a football game or beer being available. All you need is one asshat getting to drunk at the game inside the dome because of sales and hurting someone because of it(DWI or a big fight) and the lawsuit could be huge. Lets not take that chance, after all we are going to an event where most of the athletes are to young to drink and lots of underage fans as well.

[bisonmike2]

Sure you have the freedom to have a beer, just like the Fargodome and or NDSU (whoever is the decision maker on beer sales) has the freedom to say you can't have one inside the dome. You have your freedom to have one, just not at their event, don't like the rules then don't go. I think that adding beer sales inside the just adds to the possibility of someone driving home drunk. Go to the tailgate lot, go to a local bar, drink at your house but do those before the game and people that drink just a little to much have the game time to stop and take a break from drinking by watching the game for 3 hours. If people need a beer that badly during the game that they just can't stand it or they think it makes the game day less fun have a whole lot more to worry about than a football game or beer being available. All you need is one asshat getting to drunk at the game inside the dome because of sales and hurting someone because of it(DWI or a big fight) and the lawsuit could be huge. Lets not take that chance, after all we are going to an event where most of the athletes are to young to drink and lots of underage fans as well.

Then why have alcohol at all? Why not ban all things bad? I prefer to not legislate morality upon people. Yes bad things can happen if people drink. Bad things can happen really at any given moment. Instead of trying to legislate and enforce everything, lets try to empower personal responsibility. It may be impossible but I'd rather try than continue to go down the pussificatation and litigious route we're currently fast tracked on.

[Mayville Bison]

Then why have alcohol at all? Why not ban all things bad? I prefer to not legislate morality upon people. Yes bad things can happen if people drink. Bad things can happen really at any given moment. Instead of trying to legislate and enforce everything, lets try to empower personal responsibility. It may be impossible but I'd rather try than continue to go down the pussificatation and litigious route we're currently fast tracked on.

He's not saying to ban alcohol completely, just not to sell it at the games. No reason to go down that whole debate because 19,000 (of which 25%+ aren't old enough to buy) can't wait 3 hours to have a drink.

[Green1]

Then why have alcohol at all? Why not ban all things bad? I prefer to not legislate morality upon people. Yes bad things can happen if people drink. Bad things can happen really at any given moment. Instead of trying to legislate and enforce everything, lets try to empower personal responsibility. It may be impossible but I'd rather try than continue to go down the pussificatation and litigious route we're currently fast tracked on.


Two counterpoints to your argument: 1. We already ban some other things/behavior already. 2. You are assuming other people share your morality/values/self control/etc.

[1st&TennBison]

Then why have alcohol at all? Why not ban all things bad? I prefer to not legislate morality upon people. Yes bad things can happen if people drink. Bad things can happen really at any given moment. Instead of trying to legislate and enforce everything, lets try to empower personal responsibility. It may be impossible but I'd rather try than continue to go down the pussificatation and litigious route we're currently fast tracked on.
I should make it clear that I understand your point, my concern comes from the area of entitlement, to many people feel that just because they want something that they are allowed to do it. The powers that be when it comes to this topic of beer sales have determined that it is not wise and or maybe even illegal to do so. There are (and who knows how big or small the number is) people who are happy with the idea that no beer is served at Bison football games. They either don't see the need for it and sometimes it is the "family atmosphere argument" that come into play. I realize that a vast majority of people at the games that want beer would be able to control how much they drink, but there are always those few that ruin it for everyone else. Try this thought, if a person is drinking beer at the game would it be safe to say that they have already been drinking to start with, what is the purpose of still drinking. More than likely it is to keep the buzz going. IMO if a person can't go a little more than three hours without a beer then there are bigger things to get upset with and more problems to worry about. The tailgate lot is a great example of being able to have some fun, have some great food, have your drinks before the game and go in and have a good time with your friends and watch a great game. Besides, who wants to spend 8-10 bucks for a beer in the dome even if you do consider that price to be a drop in the bucket.

[bisonmike2]

Two counterpoints to your argument: 1. We already ban some other things/behavior already. 2. You are assuming other people share your morality/values/self control/etc.

1) I think we ban way too much stuff entirely
and
2) it would be a much better world if more people shared my morality/values/self control etc.

[Green1]

1) I think we ban way too much stuff entirely
and
2) it would be a much better world if more people shared my morality/values/self control etc.


If point #2 was true, we would not have have to worry about this. :)

[TransAmBison]

1) I think we ban way too much stuff entirely
and
2) it would be a much better world if more people shared my morality/values/self control etc.Michael Bay does not support this post in its entirety.

[HerdBot]

1) I think we ban way too much stuff entirely
and
2) it would be a much better world if more people shared my morality/values/self control etc.

We do ban too many things and I DESPISE moral elitists, but that's not really applicable to football team not wanting beer sold at their event. Its a private businesses decision. The current setup is PERFECT.

[mnriverbison]

Of course they should sell beer. Stupid that they don't.

[Rockbear99]

2) it would be a much better world if more people shared my morality/values/self control etc.

Boy the view must be great from that high horse you are on.

[Rockbear99]

of course the should not sell beer. Stupid if they do.

[bisonaudit]

2) it would be a much better world if more people shared my morality/values/self control etc.

The worst sorts of conflicts get started this way.

[BisonNation11]

NO



You're welcome for solving this debate

[HerdBot]

Of course they should sell beer. Stupid that they don't.

I'm not a huge drinker but there have been times I find myself buzzed at half time yet I've never been legally drunk after a game. If I'm buzzed I guarantee that others are worse than I am! Besides any moron can smuggle alcohol into the dome! I'm usually more interested in coffee

[344Johnson]

It'd be nice if they sold it til halftime. Extra income + no halftime hangover. Second half...no need to sell anymore.

[bisonmike2]

Boy the view must be great from that high horse you are on.

The view is great up here. C'mon and join me!

[CAS4127]

Then why have alcohol at all? Why not ban all things bad? I prefer to not legislate morality upon people. Yes bad things can happen if people drink. Bad things can happen really at any given moment. Instead of trying to legislate and enforce everything, lets try to empower personal responsibility. It may be impossible but I'd rather try than continue to go down the pussificatation and litigious route we're currently fast tracked on.

Starting to sell beer at football games is not the correct way to begin the "personal responsibility" March.

Jussayin'!!



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[1st&TennBison]

It'd be nice if they sold it til halftime. Extra income + no halftime hangover. Second half...no need to sell anymore.

Your logic makes me wonder. If your going to sell it in the first half why not sell it all game, then you still get even more income and no end of game hangover. Better yet, just don't sell it at all. Like I said before, if you can't go 3 hours without a beer you have bigger problems. Pro sports have been throwing every idea they can come up with and tons of $ to deal with the problems associated with drinking at their games, some of them have been shown to help decrease some problems but have not put a big dent in the issues. Look how many teams are getting sued because of it, do you really want Bison football to have that happen to the school. How would that headline look to the families of incoming recruits or future students "Two killed in DWI accident because of excessive drinking at Bison home game". The potential problems to me seem to far outweigh the financial gain that can come from it. Sure, lets say for the heck of it the school made an outrageous sum, like $250,000-$500,000 in a year in beer sales. One lawsuit from a serious injury from a fight or a DWI could be upwards of what, a couple million (maybe CAS knows what the going amount for something like that is), tell me if you think it is worth it?

[CAS4127]

Your logic makes me wonder. If your going to sell it in the first half why not sell it all game, then you still get even more income and no end of game hangover. Better yet, just don't sell it at all. Like I said before, if you can't go 3 hours without a beer you have bigger problems. Pro sports have been throwing every idea they can come up with and tons of $ to deal with the problems associated with drinking at their games, some of them have been shown to help decrease some problems but have not put a big dent in the issues. Look how many teams are getting sued because of it, do you really want Bison football to have that happen to the school. How would that headline look to the families of incoming recruits or future students "Two killed in DWI accident because of excessive drinking at Bison home game". The potential problems to me seem to far outweigh the financial gain that can come from it. Sure, lets say for the heck of it the school made an outrageous sum, like $250,000-$500,000 in a year in beer sales. One lawsuit from a serious injury from a fight or a DWI could be upwards of what, a couple million (maybe CAS knows what the going amount for something like that is), tell me if you think it is worth it?

Dome Authority would have to purchase Dram Shop and other, special liability insurance policies, as would NDSU if it is benefiting from sales. Then add in the extra training sales peeps would be required to go through to keep the premiums down (and they would be huge), and then consider long it would take to get beer when everyone would have to be carded. Plus security would have to be amped up to ensure legal buyers aren't giving it to minors.

Ends up a clusterfuck and not that much money would be made off of it to justify IMO.




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[344Johnson]

Your logic makes me wonder. If your going to sell it in the first half why not sell it all game, then you still get even more income and no end of game hangover. Better yet, just don't sell it at all. Like I said before, if you can't go 3 hours without a beer you have bigger problems. Pro sports have been throwing every idea they can come up with and tons of $ to deal with the problems associated with drinking at their games, some of them have been shown to help decrease some problems but have not put a big dent in the issues. Look how many teams are getting sued because of it, do you really want Bison football to have that happen to the school. How would that headline look to the families of incoming recruits or future students "Two killed in DWI accident because of excessive drinking at Bison home game". The potential problems to me seem to far outweigh the financial gain that can come from it. Sure, lets say for the heck of it the school made an outrageous sum, like $250,000-$500,000 in a year in beer sales. One lawsuit from a serious injury from a fight or a DWI could be upwards of what, a couple million (maybe CAS knows what the going amount for something like that is), tell me if you think it is worth it?

Ok. Better stop selling beer at the fair, at concerts, or at any event. If you can't have fun for a few hours without a beer then you have a problem. In fact, close bars. They result in drunk driving. While were at it, prohibition is the answer!

I don't think a car accident will drive people away from a school.

I don't mind that they don't sell beer at games, but not selling at the dome yet selling it at other events there seems strange. At least we got tailgating.

[344Johnson]

Dome Authority would have to purchase Dram Shop and other, special liability insurance policies, as would NDSU if it is benefiting from sales. Then add in the extra training sales peeps would be required to go through to keep the premiums down (and they would be huge), and then consider long it would take to get beer when everyone would have to be carded. Plus security would have to be amped up to ensure legal buyers aren't giving it to minors.

Ends up a clusterfuck and not that much money would be made off of it to justify IMO.




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Obviously two very different situations, but the lines at the Alerus weren't bad(I assume we'd have more vendors)...and I didn't notice any security other than a guy who stood in the entrance to the student section who told us we couldn't bring our bottles in.

If the insurance costs and stuff are as bad as you think(obviously have a pretty good idea), then not worth adding the beerz.

[Answer Guy]

I DESPISE moral elitists

Even the skinny ones?

[imabison]

NO matter now, WDAY news had clip of the spokesman from the group that was considering it, and they have reviewed and have
decided not to pursue the request. Beer not to be allowed at Bison games.

I am happy with that decision, but then I walk to and from games.

[HerdBot]

Ok. Better stop selling beer at the fair, at concerts, or at any event. If you can't have fun for a few hours without a beer then you have a problem. In fact, close bars. They result in drunk driving. While were at it, prohibition is the answer!

I don't think a car accident will drive people away from a school.

I don't mind that they don't sell beer at games, but not selling at the dome yet selling it at other events there seems strange. At least we got tailgating.

They need alcohol to be relevant because the entertainment sucks.
Our entertainment is top notch and we don't need more alcohol than what we have to make it fun.
The prohibition argument is ridiculous. In fact I support legalization of marijuana. I just don't want it at Bison games.

[SDbison]

Time to join the 21st century and quit trying to ban alcohol.........this goes for NDSU, Fargo and the state of North Dakota! Tme to start selling beer at NDSU games.

[TransAmBison]

Even the skinny ones?
Does despise=hate? Maybe not, but DESPISE has to equal hate. I think that would make a good SNL-type skit...Things I Hate by Gabe.

[BisonHorns]

Go drink some piss they are about the same, especially when they are warm..
When you are comparing them do you drink piss out of your hand or a cup? Some have said if you wash your hands first you can still taste soap. Gotchya..... see what I did there.
Back on topic- Some of the guys who come sit by us are pretty wasted at the beginning of the games so I have to be the buffer between their swearing and my children. I also sat behind a drunk couple at the Georgia Southern game. They started out nuts and loud and then after half time they looked to sick to talk and sat the rest of the game. Not every case goes this way, but why multiply the ones that do.

[NorthernBison]

Allowing alcohol at tailgating has helped to change the atmosphere in the Dome. It's not the only factor, and maybe not even the greatest factor, but it has had some affect.

Selling beer inside during the game would also have some additive affect. NDSU has, so far, made the decision that they do not want to take that step. There often things that you do without regard to the financial sacrifices involved. If NDSU feels that the extra money to be gained by selling beer is not worth altering the gameday experience for many fans, I can support that.

[56BISON73]

When you are comparing them do you drink piss out of your hand or a cup? Some have said if you wash your hands first you can still taste soap. Gotchya..... see what I did there.
Back on topic- Some of the guys who come sit by us are pretty wasted at the beginning of the games so I have to be the buffer between their swearing and my children. I also sat behind a drunk couple at the Georgia Southern game. They started out nuts and loud and then after half time they looked to sick to talk and sat the rest of the game. Not every case goes this way, but why multiply the ones that do.

Just think how many more times your game day experience will be interrupted for more beer runs and pee breaks. its ridiculous now cant imagine if they started to sell beer. Unless they gave everyone some flow max with there beer.:biggrin:

[bisonmike2]

Just think how many more times your game day experience will be interrupted for more beer runs and pee breaks. its ridiculous now cant imagine if they started to sell beer. Unless they gave everyone some flow max with there beer.:biggrin:

Beer runs? Have beer vendors walk the dome stairs. Creates jobs and eliminates the need for beer runs. As for the pee breaks.
Boom. Problem solved.:biggrin:

www.go-girl.com

[HerdBot]

Beer runs? Have beer vendors walk the dome stairs. Creates jobs and eliminates the need for beer runs. As for the pee breaks.
Boom. Problem solved.:biggrin:

www.go-girl.com

Damn the website is creepy

[westnodak93bison]

If NDSU wants to make big bucks, ban people from bringing their own alcohol to tailgating and have scantily clad hot chicks selling beer, mixed drinks, shots etc. Maybe 3rd Base from Frisco could supply the gals?

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[td577]

I have said this before but I do think the one segment that would change would those that load up and guzzle down a few beers right before going into the dome knowing they ain't drinking for 3 hours. I don't know how many are doing that, but there has to be some.

I wonder how many of you have had a beer at the dome? It is downright nasty.

I really don't think there would become a serious problem. Most people pay a lot of money to go to games and won't want to get the boot. Plus, there would probably become more rules like suspensions from the dome for a period of time if you are kicked out. I do also think there has probably been some studies already done as far as beer sales and profit to the athletic department. That number is obviously not that encouraging since if they wanted to do it, it would already have been done. If it doesn't have a drastic effect on the bottom line, don't mess with what already is going on.

[EndZoneQB]

Time to join the 21st century and quit trying to ban alcohol.........this goes for NDSU, Fargo and the state of North Dakota! Tme to start selling beer at NDSU games.

They are FINALLY looking at the rich-driven liquor license system in Fargo. Makes it literally impossible for the little guy to compete.

[Bison03]

If NDSU wants to make big bucks, ban people from bringing their own alcohol to tailgating and have scantily clad hot chicks selling beer, mixed drinks, shots etc. Maybe 3rd Base from Frisco could supply the gals?

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I know there is a little sarcasm in this post but I agree with the premise. Don't they sell beer in the teammakers area? Anyway, this is something NDSU should capitalize on. They have a great concept in the addition of "Thunder Alley" in the tailgate lot. But it seems like all there is in there is a small bookstore tent, a couple inflatable games, and a couple sponsers handing out stickers of food. This may have been dicussed on other threads so sorry for repeating thought that have already been discussed. A lot of people who are in the tailgate lot, especially the last couple hours do not have a spot in the lot. They are waking around, sometimes with a cooler, and meeting people and just experiencing all that is tailgating. Thunder Alley should be a place filled with food and beer vendors to accomidate those people who are tailgating without a home. Sure, idealy, you run into your buddy and he gives you a beer and a brat, but I think this could be a huge money generator while at the same time serving the needs of a lot of people.

[bisonaudit]

They are FINALLY looking at the rich-driven liquor license system in Fargo. Makes it literally impossible for the little guy to compete.

This is a welcome development. Liquor licensing has clearly devolved into a protectionist waste that places the desires of the existing license holders above the needs of the community the government is there to serve.

We're dealing with the same non-sense here as it relates to food trucks and Uber.

[yukon]

I would like to see the tailgate area open during the game like other big time colleges. A lot of the people aren't going to the game so let them enjoy the tailgate. They already let the tailgaters drink 1 hour after the game.

[EndZoneQB]

This is a welcome development. Liquor licensing has clearly devolved into a protectionist waste that places the desires of the existing license holders above the needs of the community the government is there to serve.

We're dealing with the same non-sense here as it relates to food trucks and Uber.

Yep, when the police chief admits its wrong, you know there is something wrong.

I think it was also insane they wrote up the provision one new license for every 10k in new population...every time the census comes out. Way to grow with the city, Fargo. Yikes. The businesses shouldn't get the loudest voice here(see the liquor store laws with Cash Wise and the Spirit Shop).


I would like to see the tailgate area open during the game like other big time colleges. A lot of the people aren't going to the game so let them enjoy the tailgate. They already let the tailgaters drink 1 hour after the game.

Agreed, this needs to be an option. It's ridiculous that it's not already. They claim its for security but yet they tell us they have security constantly monitoring the lots outside with our stuff...so which is it?

[BisonNation11]

Agreed, this needs to be an option. It's ridiculous that it's not already. They claim its for security but yet they tell us they have security constantly monitoring the lots outside with our stuff...so which is it?

Have you ever come out after the game is over and seen security walking around out there? I haven't...

[RedRiver]

I would like to see the tailgate area open during the game like other big time colleges. A lot of the people aren't going to the game so let them enjoy the tailgate. They already let the tailgaters drink 1 hour after the game.
It would also be good to have the lots open after the game for at least 2 hours. On a nice fall day, late afternoon after a victory, throw some more brats on the grill for supper..........

[EndZoneQB]

Have you ever come out after the game is over and seen security walking around out there? I haven't...

No, but I've been out there during games and cops are really actually driving through the lots. I'm not sure how long they are out there, but I have seen it.

[BlueBisonRock]

No, but I've been out there during games and cops are really actually driving through the lots. I'm not sure how long they are out there, but I have seen it.

Is this when you were walking or were you in the back seat? Also, were handcuffs involved?

[KSBisonFan]

Every venue our fanbase has invaded has run out of beer to this point so why would the Fargo Dome be any different? There's probably not enough beer in the world anyway.

[CAS4127]

Every venue our fanbase has invaded has run out of beer to this point so why would the Fargo Dome be any different? There's probably not enough beer in the world anyway.

Because we can bring our own to the Dome! It's like Pizza Hut field (or whateva it is called) in Frisco. Drink during tailgate, go watch game, and go to lot and celebrate!!

Easy math--just ask Audit and pray a bit!! I kid, I keeeeed!

Where is Tanka btw?!?!


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[bisonfanette]

It's like Pizza Hut field (or whateva it is called)
Toyota Stadium... who can keep up with all the name/sponsor changes? The only reason I know this is because I called the Comfort Suites (closest to Toyota Stad.) to ck on their cancellation policy, which is 14 days, which is Dec. 20th at 4pm.
The last playoff game will be Dec. 20th or 21st, according to the ncaa schedule. Some hotels have a 21 day policy, such as the Hilton Garden. The Embassy has 24 hrs! I guess I HOPE that we DO have these issues to deal with!
(Off topic!)