NDSU injury front?

[Go_Herd]

On my phone and can't go through all the threads so sorry if duplicate.

Where do we stand after the game? Has coach or the media commented on what if any injuries where sustained in the game? Keller? I remember seeing a lineman or two limp off the field.

[Professor Chaos]

On my phone and can't go through all the threads so sorry if duplicate.

Where do we stand after the game? Has coach or the media commented on what if any injuries where sustained in the game? Keller? I remember seeing a lineman or two limp off the field.
I think he said Bruhn was still hurting. Sounds like Keller might be a concern if it gets worse. Other than that I don't think he addressed injuries other than Crockett and based on how he looked Saturday I wouldn't think that's a concern going forward.

[coloradobison]

I also recall hearing that Lavoy was back, so that should be another body on the offensive line. I don't recall anything other than Bruhn or Keller either, so hopefully we made out ok, and with Sam back this week, that might give Crockett a chance to get a little healthier with a smaller workload.

[Kermit]

I also recall hearing that Lavoy was back, so that should be another body on the offensive line. I don't recall anything other than Bruhn or Keller either, so hopefully we made out ok, and with Sam back this week, that might give Crockett a chance to get a little healthier with a smaller workload.

Lavoy played guard during the last offensive series.

[BisonVifte]

Scott Miller said Brock was nursing a sore hamstring also.

[ndsubison1]

what about dudzik?

[EndZoneQB]

what about dudzik?

Thumb. "Should be a non-issue".

[Rynomite]

Hehe.. guess who is friends with the team physician! HIPPA people! Can not discuss! Haha!

[Bison"FANatic"]

Hippa wouldnt apply to you, but it would apply to the physician and if he told you he already broke it

[IzzyFlexion]

Hehe.. guess who is friends with the team physician! HIPPA people! Can not discuss! Haha!

The team physician's hunting dog?

[HandoEX]

Ran into Bruhn on the walk back to my car after postgame tailgating on Saturday. He didn't seem too thrilled and was on crutches. That said, he was probably back to 100% within 20 minutes. He is one tough dude.

[jimmyptubas]

I hope brocks' hamstring is the real "non-issue".

[tony]

Ran into Bruhn on the walk back to my car after postgame tailgating on Saturday. He didn't seem too thrilled and was on crutches. That said, he was probably back to 100% within 20 minutes. He is one tough dude.

Thought I heard something about a high-ankle sprain... BTW, not sure what would stop Bruhn from getting on the field but my best guess is: Whatever it takes to stop a zombie multiplied by 1.5.

[bri-dog]

Thought I heard something about a high-ankle sprain... BTW, not sure what would stop Bruhn from getting on the field but my best guess is: Whatever it takes to stop a zombie multiplied by 1.5.

That's what I heard too -- can't remember where I heard it though

[coloradobison]

Kolpack is mad tweeting about injuries. Keller should be ready by Thursday for practice. It is undecided who is starting at RB between Crockett and Ojuri...so I guess Crockett has taken over the starting spot from Ojuri...

[jimmyptubas]

If crockett is our go to guy...not to shabby of a back eh? From what i've seen of crockett ( more like heard on the radio and on highlights ) this would be the right choice.

[BisonNation11]

Kolpack is mad tweeting about injuries. Keller should be ready by Thursday for practice. It is undecided who is starting at RB between Crockett and Ojuri...so I guess Crockett has taken over the starting spot from Ojuri...

Honestly, who didn't see this coming?

[coloradobison]

Honestly, who didn't see this coming?

Agreed, and I probably agree with it, given Crockett being healthy. I'd rather he was a little more limited until he is healthy.

[KSBisonFan]

Hehe.. guess who is friends with the team physician! HIPPA people! Can not discuss! Haha!

Why do you keep posting stupid stuff like this? The rumor crap in the Crockett thread (which looks like it was deleted) was over the line. Seems to be a trend developing here. :facepalm:

[b15on]

Jamal Spencer (@MotownMade)

WR Cooper Wahlo, Jr. out indefinitely w/ a broken leg.

https://twitter.com/motownmade/status/260059003621629953

[coldspot]

Jamal Spencer (@MotownMade)

WR Cooper Wahlo, Jr. out indefinitely w/ a broken leg.

https://twitter.com/motownmade/status/260059003621629953

we might not have any wide receivers left by saturday

[NDSUstudent]

Jamal Spencer (@MotownMade)

WR Cooper Wahlo, Jr. out indefinitely w/ a broken leg.

https://twitter.com/motownmade/status/260059003621629953

Is it time to pull the redshirt off of Demitrius Gray?

[KTF]

I thought Wahlo had a high ankle sprain?

[NorthernBison]

Bohl said broken fibula this morning on his show.

[KTF]

Bohl said broken fibula this morning on his show.thanks for the clarification. That really stings. Someone is going to get there redshirt pulled pretty soon.

[Bison"FANatic"]

To pull a WR redshirt we would have to be very desperate. Freshmen just are not ready at the WR position.

[reformedUNDfan]

thanks for the clarification. That really stings. Someone is going to get there redshirt pulled pretty soon.

lost wahlo get back smith. quick every body panic?

[344Johnson]

lost wahlo get back smith. quick every body panic?

Vraa out for another week or two correct? Have a freshman ready but please don't play them if you don't need them.

[IzzyFlexion]

Is it time to pull the redshirt off of Demitrius Gray?

Trayvonn Wright.

[JustinTyem]

Dylan Dunn played last night

[silkamilkamonico]

lost wahlo get back smith. quick every body panic?

Smith is one big hit away from probably being out the rest of the season so that tradeoff isnt very reassuring.

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[BisonNeil]

So I haven't seen Justin Juckem play in some time and I saw him on the sidelines this past weekend in street clothes. I know his knees have been bothering him, but is he done? Anybody know?

[Kermit]

So I haven't seen Justin Juckem play in some time and I saw him on the sidelines this past weekend in street clothes. I know his knees have been bothering him, but is he done? Anybody know?

You are right. Juckem played a bit in the 3 non-conference games, missed the UNI game, and played against YSU in the homecoming game. He hasn't been on the field since. I don't know his official status, but I have heard rumors that he is having career-threatening problems with his knees.

[Jay]

@FGOSPORTSWRITER: Defensive tackle Justin Juckem back in the Bison two-deep chart, will get explanation at Craig Bohl Monday presser. Otherwise, no changes.

[Jay]

@FGOSPORTSWRITER: NDSU backup d tackle Brian Schaetz out 2 to 4 weeks with a torn PCL in his knee. WR Zach Vraa should be ready to go this week.

[Putz]

Anyone hear anything about Perry after the game? How about Crocket? Did he get hurt? Didn't see much of him in the second half.

[BisBison]

Anyone hear anything about Perry after the game? How about Crocket? Did he get hurt? Didn't see much of him in the second half.
Was thinking the same thing about Crocket. Sam lost his hat and he still didn't get in on the next play.

[Bison"FANatic"]

This injury to Perry really concerns me. Our D revolves around our line and plugging the middle and getting push on pass plays.

I wouldn't want to be that rabbit that cheap shotted him. The bottom of a pile next year might not feel so good for him.

[Gully]

This injury to Perry really concerns me. Our D revolves around our line and plugging the middle and getting push on pass plays.

I wouldn't want to be that rabbit that cheap shotted him. The bottom of a pile next year might not feel so good for him.

what happened?

[Bison"FANatic"]

They slowed it down on the Bohl show this AM. Behind the play the play was over and they were still engaged high and the bunny dropped down and dove at his knee after he had been having his ass handed to him all game.

[BisonNeil]

They slowed it down on the Bohl show this AM. Behind the play the play was over and they were still engaged high and the bunny dropped down and dove at his knee after he had been having his ass handed to him all game.

Yep, no question in my mind that was an intentional cheap shot. I am hoping it is ONLY a PCL like Schaetz, but I am not hopeful.

[HerdBot]

Yep, no question in my mind that was an intentional cheap shot. I am hoping it is ONLY a PCL like Schaetz, but I am not hopeful.

Hopefully... amazingly enough our defense didn't miss a beat with Luecke and Hardie playing extended time. I saw Juckem in there too. Was getting doubled. Hopefully Schaetz can go. This is the depth of a championship team

[Bisonwinagn]

They slowed it down on the Bohl show this AM. Behind the play the play was over and they were still engaged high and the bunny dropped down and dove at his knee after he had been having his ass handed to him all game.

I thought this happened in the first quarter? He still played some after that....or did he get hurt again?

[Bison"FANatic"]

Yes I should have said first series. Hopefully MRI goes well today.

[A1pigskin]

Bohl thought the team would know something today. Has anybody heard the results?

[Gully]

Nothing concrete posted yet but the twitter posts sound less than positive.

[BisonNation11]

Nothing concrete posted yet but the twitter posts sound less than positive.

How about for 3 weeks from now?

[THE HERD]

Any news on Perry's knee injury?? This would be a HUGE loss if he happened to be gone for the playoffs. I did see him on the bike after the injury and it looked like he attempted to go back in, but must not have been able to go. That at least is encouraging that he could attempt to play, but ya never know with the knee injuries.

[HerdBot]

Any news on Perry's knee injury?? This would be a HUGE loss if he happened to be gone for the playoffs. I did see him on the bike after the injury and it looked like he attempted to go back in, but must not have been able to go. That at least is encouraging that he could attempt to play, but ya never know with the knee injuries.

I would listen to the Monday morning press conference

[coloradobison]

Leevon out for the year. Knee injury. OUCH

Bohl wouldn't go so far as to say it was a dirty play that did it, but he alluded to it.

[MontBison]

Well that fkn sucks

[coloradobison]

Shaetz(sp?) will be back this week.

[BismarckBisonFan]

Leevon out for the year. Knee injury. OUCH

Bohl wouldn't go so far as to say it was a dirty play that did it, but he alluded to it.

It happened in the first set of downs for the jacks. 13:30 left in the first quarter. It was a big time cheap shot. Couldn't hear the whistle on the tv that I had recorded. But the play was over and the SOB was up high on Perry and then dove at his knees. The jacks numbers are so shitty but I think it was #66.

[devin45k]

Leevon out for the year. Knee injury. OUCH

Bohl wouldn't go so far as to say it was a dirty play that did it, but he alluded to it.


On a dirty play too! I hope the Jacks player is disciplined!

[BisonTeacher]

On a dirty play too! I hope the Jacks player is disciplined!

If hes not a senior my guess is his discipline may come next year.

[MNLonghorn10]

what a piece of shit.

the play was essentially over and perry gave up and he intentionally goes low.

[westnodak93bison]

It happened in the first set of downs for the jacks. 13:30 left in the first quarter. It was a big time cheap shot. Couldn't hear the whistle on the tv that I had recorded. But the play was over and the SOB was up high on Perry and then dove at his knees. The jacks numbers are so shitty but I think it was #66.

I watched the game again last night and it definitely was intentional. Can the conference discipline a player for a play like that? Way worse than Paschal throwing that punch a few years ago imho.

[BisonNation11]

My guess is Zenner paid him off to do that after the first play of the game. Bunnygate 2012. :mad::fight:

[BismarckBisonFan]

It happened in the first set of downs for the jacks. 13:30 left in the first quarter. It was a big time cheap shot. Couldn't hear the whistle on the tv that I had recorded. But the play was over and the SOB was up high on Perry and then dove at his knees. The jacks numbers are so shitty but I think it was #66.

I rewatched it and slowed it down. It was not 66 it was the left guard #65. Junior from Brookings High School.

[Mr. Burgundy]

can someone smart please post a video of this. I have got to see this. What a bad way to lose such a STUD at tackle. he has been a complete beast all season long. Absolutely unreal loss this time of the year. Alot of injuries are adding up. Hope Schatz is ready to step up and play some serious snaps! I really hope this isn't a dirty play, if it is, what an embarrassment.

[NDSUstudent]

I watched the game again last night and it definitely was intentional. Can the conference discipline a player for a play like that? Way worse than Paschal throwing that punch a few years ago imho.

They can but the MVFC doesn't seem to do that very often.

[BadlandsBison]

That's how the bunnies compete, huh? Nice work jack ***

[Kermit]

can someone smart please post a video of this. I have got to see this. What a bad way to lose such a STUD at tackle. he has been a complete beast all season long. Absolutely unreal loss this time of the year. Alot of injuries are adding up. Hope Schatz is ready to step up and play some serious snaps! I really hope this isn't a dirty play, if it is, what an embarrassment.

Oh, it was dirty. Exactly as described. The guy was engaged with Leevon up high, then dived at his knees after the play was over.

[BisonTeacher]

Oh, it was dirty. Exactly as described. The guy was engaged with Leevon up high, then dived at his knees after the play was over.

I wouldnt mind seeing it as well.

[BismarckBisonFan]

can someone smart please post a video of this. I have got to see this. What a bad way to lose such a STUD at tackle. he has been a complete beast all season long. Absolutely unreal loss this time of the year. Alot of injuries are adding up. Hope Schatz is ready to step up and play some serious snaps! I really hope this isn't a dirty play, if it is, what an embarrassment.

Burg give me a little time as I will try and video the play off of the recording etc. Not the best at this but will try.

[Mr. Burgundy]

I cannot tell you how pissy I get about injuries....and when I hear they are dirty. Pisses me off. Ron Burgundy says STAY CLASSY BROOKINGS. Trying to not judge, as I am sure he has a full beard, wears cargo shorts and love to hunt, but if we lose the best DT in the league to a dirty play, I am pissed.

[stevdock]

Oh, it was dirty. Exactly as described. The guy was engaged with Leevon up high, then dived at his knees after the play was over.

dirty yes but i dont believe the whistle had blown yet, so the play wasnt over

[BisonTeacher]

I know there are some bunny fans who post here... I wouldnt mind hearing their thoughts.

[grizlandbisonfan]

They showed the play several times on the Craig Bohl Show, if you go to the valley news live website and stream it the clip is near the end of the show.

[Bison"FANatic"]

can someone smart please post a video of this. I have got to see this. What a bad way to lose such a STUD at tackle. he has been a complete beast all season long. Absolutely unreal loss this time of the year. Alot of injuries are adding up. Hope Schatz is ready to step up and play some serious snaps! I really hope this isn't a dirty play, if it is, what an embarrassment.

They slowed it down real good on the Bohl show if that is up you can see it there. It's bad.

[BisonTeacher]

They slowed it down real good on the Bohl show if that is up you can see it there. It's bad.

Is that on a news website, or gobison? Sorry if thats a dumb question.

[BisonNation11]

Is that on a news website, or gobison? Sorry if thats a dumb question.

http://www.valleynewslive.com/category/198178/craig-bohl-show

[BisonTeacher]

http://www.valleynewslive.com/category/198178/craig-bohl-show

thanks...doesnt look like video is posted yet.

[Bison"FANatic"]

http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/20066409/cr

14:20 in.

[BisonNation11]

thanks...doesnt look like video is posted yet.

Just click the picture of NDSU vs. SDSU

[MNLonghorn10]

can someone smart please post a video of this. I have got to see this. What a bad way to lose such a STUD at tackle. he has been a complete beast all season long. Absolutely unreal loss this time of the year. Alot of injuries are adding up. Hope Schatz is ready to step up and play some serious snaps! I really hope this isn't a dirty play, if it is, what an embarrassment.

just did it on my cell...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuPds1Lyft4&feature=plcp

[KilldeerBison]

http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=64626&SPID=7153&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=15000&ATCLID=204765386&Q_SEASON=2012

This is a link #65 from the Jacks.

[EndZoneBison]

Nasty, legs dont bend that way. Wow, that's all I gotta say. They were "somewhat" engaged but c'mon man.......

[MNLonghorn10]

http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=64626&SPID=7153&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=15000&ATCLID=204765386&Q_SEASON=2012

This is a link #65 from the Jacks.
ohh alex.

your facebook cover photo is very intimidating
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/189585_3729890374670_1801847108_n.jpg

[BisonTeacher]

Just click the picture of NDSU vs. SDSU

Got it now... Thanks guys.

[BismarckBisonFan]

Thanks men. You saved me some time and frustration. Have to read up on how to do that stuff. Maybe old guys can still learn I guess.

[tony]

Well that fkn sucks

^ this.

Hope that Leevon gets well soon.

[Vitojr130]

^ this.

Hope that Leevon gets well soon.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/380199/group/homepage/

Well, this sucks.

[THE HERD]

While Schaetz has played well this is still a massive blow to our D. The strength of our D is our defensive line and how we can rotate so many quality players in and out keeping everyone fresh throughout the game and to lose easily one of our top two defensive lineman is really gonna show in the playoffs I'm afraid.

[coloradobison]

I think a big factor may be how effective and how much, if any, Juckem can play the rest of the way.

[JustinTyem]

If the MVFC and or SDSU doesnt take charge of this action,I would be PISSED !!!!!!

[SportsLover]

If the MVFC and or SDSU doesnt take charge of this action,I would be PISSED !!!!!!

I wouldnt get your hopes up.

[Bison06]

I wouldnt get your hopes up.

I am just as upset as anyone the Mr. Perry is lost for the season, but the hit was within the rules. The play was still going on and it was a legit cut block, sucks that he got hurt, but there is no need to punish the guy who made the hit IMO.

[Bison 4 Life]

I am just as upset as anyone the Mr. Perry is lost for the season, but the hit was within the rules. The play was still going on and it was a legit cut block, sucks that he got hurt, but there is no need to punish the guy who made the hit IMO.

I disagree, the guy clearly disengaged from a battle he was losing and instead chose to go at the knee. it was away from the play and towards a play who had been beating him consistently. He knew what he was doing.

[Civil06]

It's gut check time boys. I can't wait to see the other DTs step up and show the depth we have. We've adapted to having 2 injured safeties and are still playing at a high level, we can do the same at DT. Wish the injured players a speedy recovery and get back to work.

[Bison06]

I disagree, the guy clearly disengaged from a battle he was losing and instead chose to go at the knee. it was away from the play and towards a play who had been beating him consistently. He knew what he was doing.

Of course he knew what he was doing, that doesn't make it illegal. It was a cut block, and it was unnecessary, but it wasn't illegal.

[moosbah]

If the MVFC and or SDSU doesnt take charge of this action,I would be PISSED !!!!!!

I think we all agree that this really sucks, but I really don't think the league will do a damn thing about it.

It's unfortunate, but part of the game.

[ndsubison1]

I am just as upset as anyone the Mr. Perry is lost for the season, but the hit was within the rules. The play was still going on and it was a legit cut block, sucks that he got hurt, but there is no need to punish the guy who made the hit IMO.

yeah he wasnt engaged but he was out of the play

[tolnabison]

Losing Perry is going to hurt us. We need Schaetz to get healthy. Drevlow is one of the best in league. We need to get what ever we can out of Juckem. Luecke played well against SDSU. They also have been moving DE Mike Hardie inside on long down situations. Between Schaetz, Juckem, and Luecke; alongside Drevlow, with Hardie coming in, in passing downs, we will still have a very good defensive line. Although I will say Perry is a game changer with his strength and quickness.

[Bison 4 Life]

Of course he knew what he was doing, that doesn't make it illegal. It was a cut block, and it was unnecessary, but it wasn't illegal.

I think ugly, cheap, chickenshit are good ways to describe it. I never said illegal.

[Bison06]

I think ugly, cheap, chickenshit are good ways to describe it. I never said illegal.

Well then we agree, but no punishment is necessary for those things. Other than hope he is playing next year and make him pay for it.

[HerdBot]

Losing Perry is going to hurt us. We need Schaetz to get healthy. Drevlow is one of the best in league. We need to get what ever we can out of Juckem. Luecke played well against SDSU. They also have been moving DE Mike Hardie inside on long down situations. Between Schaetz, Juckem, and Luecke; alongside Drevlow, with Hardie coming in, in passing downs, we will still have a very good defensive line. Although I will say Perry is a game changer with his strength and quickness.

I agree. It will hurt but we seemed to do OK without him. Drevlow, Juckem, Luecke, Schaetz, and Hardie in the middle will be more than adequate. The DE's are great and the linebackers are incredible. Get well Leevon!

[Mr. Burgundy]

Juckem is playing on no knees, Schaetz didn't play due to his knee surgery, moving Hardie at 245 inside with Luecke. I think this was a major concern on the last drive and also for the future. Leevon was underrated by many fans. Tremendous player on our tremendous defense. I expect Luecke to step up bigtime, he is a great walk on story, and I hope Schatz is back and ready to roll.

[344Johnson]

If the MVFC and or SDSU doesnt take charge of this action,I would be PISSED !!!!!!

It was unfortunate and chippy but I don't think that merits a suspension of any kind.


I am just as upset as anyone the Mr. Perry is lost for the season, but the hit was within the rules. The play was still going on and it was a legit cut block, sucks that he got hurt, but there is no need to punish the guy who made the hit IMO.

Im with '06 on this.

[HerdBot]

Rdie
Juckem is playing on no knees, Schaetz didn't play due to his knee surgery, moving Hardie at 245 inside with Luecke. I think this was a major concern on the last drive and also for the future. Leevon was underrated by many fans. Tremendous player on our tremendous defense. I expect Luecke to step up bigtime, he is a great walk on story, and I hope Schatz is back and ready to roll.

We were tired on the last drive due to the no huddle and the prevent let them move. They just wanted to make them drive the whole field and work the clock. Yes, Perry is a total stud but we have many studs. Lueke played exceptional. Kids a redshirt jr, 6-5 280 and started out as a DE so he has the quickness to play inside. These are the type of players that are supposed to do well. Hardie has looked awesome too. Hes been playing both end and tackle. Anything we get out of Juckem is a bonus but hes been playing. On the few times I noticed him he was doubled and held his own.

[KilldeerBison]

Juckem is playing on no knees, Schaetz didn't play due to his knee surgery, moving Hardie at 245 inside with Luecke. I think this was a major concern on the last drive and also for the future. Leevon was underrated by many fans. Tremendous player on our tremendous defense. I expect Luecke to step up bigtime, he is a great walk on story, and I hope Schatz is back and ready to roll.

Schaetz was having a really good season, I think he is shorter than Perry while being slightly heavier. He appeared to have tremendous strength and good pursuit. While losing Perry is really bad, I am hopeful that Schaetz is ready to go, he can fill the position!

[westnodak93bison]

Rdie

We were tired on the last drive due to the no huddle and the prevent let them move. They just wanted to make them drive the whole field and work the clock. Yes, Perry is a total stud but we have many studs. Lueke played exceptional. Kids a redshirt jr, 6-5 280 and started out as a DE so he has the quickness to play inside. These are the type of players that are supposed to do well. Hardie has looked awesome too. Hes been playing both end and tackle. Anything we get out of Juckem is a bonus but hes been playing. On the few times I noticed him he was doubled and held his own.

Agree. The staff basically made a decision that if you are gonna score you won't have much time on the clock after you do.

[wow]

I know there are some bunny fans who post here... I wouldnt mind hearing their thoughts.

I'll bite. I want to preface with saying I'm not happy to see any kind of an injury to a Jackrabbit or opponent.

To me it looked like SDSU guy had his back somewhat to the play and had no way of knowing there was a pile. Keep blocking until the whistle blows. As some level headed fans here have stated, it wasn't an illegal hit. If it happened to one of our players, I would be upset as well.

I do find it interesting that fans bitch about a play for being dirty (that is within the rules), then expect retribution next year on the bottom of a pile within the same breath.

As Mr. Burghundy said earlier, stay classy.

[CalBison97]

I watched the game again last night and it definitely was intentional. Can the conference discipline a player for a play like that? Way worse than Paschal throwing that punch a few years ago imho.

Where's Roger Goodell when you need him?!

[hattonbison]

Watch the replay wow, plain and simple he was going for the knee, dirty, cheap. He was getting his ass handed to him, and he went for the knee. Spin it how you want, whatever makes you feel good. Dont want 65 to get hurt at all, just want his ass handed to him again next year!!!!!!!!!!!

[NorthernBison]

Watch the replay wow, plain and simple he was going for the knee, dirty, cheap. He was getting his ass handed to him, and he went for the knee. Spin it how you want, whatever makes you feel good. Dont want 65 to get hurt at all, just want his ass handed to him again next year!!!!!!!!!!!

It was dirty. Forget the bottom of a pile crap. Chop block the SOB next time you play him and take the 15 yards. Fuck classy. Send a message.

[56BISON73]

Watch the replay wow, plain and simple he was going for the knee, dirty, cheap. He was getting his ass handed to him, and he went for the knee. Spin it how you want, whatever makes you feel good. Dont want 65 to get hurt at all, just want his ass handed to him again next year!!!!!!!!!!!

Who was getting beat? Perry wasnt beating the o-guy. The Jack was between perry and the ball carrier and playing to the whistle. There was nothing dirty about that block. FYI you dont have time to think---hey I am going to go for his knee. Blocking techniques are instantaneous. Many times you set up the d-line man by going high then cutting him. Its a practiced move. Nothing dirty about it.

[CAS4127]

Who was getting beat? Perry wasnt beating the o-guy. The Jack was between perry and the ball carrier and playing to the whistle. There was nothing dirty about that block. FYI you dont have time to think---hey I am going to go for his knee. Blocking techniques are instantaneous. Many times you set up the d-line man by going high then cutting him. Its a practiced move. Nothing dirty about it.

Agreed! Play wasn't over. Sucks that LP got hurt, but don't quit play until whistle. And you're correct-->he was not beating Olineman on that play at least.


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[Mr. Burgundy]

none of the 500 Jack fans that read this board non stop want to post on this. I would be embarrassed too. Sad deal to lose such a fine player before a playoff run. Disappointing it had to end on such a classless play. Terry Vandrovec, when...not if you read this, I am disappointed in one of your favorite kids from Brookings. Injuries happen, a ton of ACL's go in non contact situations, too bad this stuff has to happen when it doesn't need to. Bohl will take the high road on this injury, and somehow motivate a very injured group to step up and play huge in the middle, but nobody is the athlete/body that Leevon provided. He set the tone with the first defensive play of the game when he introduced Zenner to a real defense. I highly doubt the Jacks are happy about this either, they have a good group of fans, coaches and players, but it only took one dirty play to ruin the season of a complete and total stud on our defense. Losing a DT like his has been horrible in the past. Drevlow last year against YSU and Gratzek for a couple games with a knee, but at least those weren't because of a dirty cheap shot that didn't need to happen.

[JustinTyem]

Illegal??? No, But Bush league??? Yes,All day long!!!!!! The forward progress had halted,even if the ref hadnt blow the whistle(He was late on that call),the pile was going backwards,and there was "NO CLEAN REASON" to chop block with that result!!!!!

[jacks1]

none of the 500 Jack fans that read this board non stop want to post on this. I would be embarrassed too. Sad deal to lose such a fine player before a playoff run. Disappointing it had to end on such a classless play. Terry Vandrovec, when...not if you read this, I am disappointed in one of your favorite kids from Brookings. Injuries happen, a ton of ACL's go in non contact situations, too bad this stuff has to happen when it doesn't need to. Bohl will take the high road on this injury, and somehow motivate a very injured group to step up and play huge in the middle, but nobody is the athlete/body that Leevon provided. He set the tone with the first defensive play of the game when he introduced Zenner to a real defense. I highly doubt the Jacks are happy about this either, they have a good group of fans, coaches and players, but it only took one dirty play to ruin the season of a complete and total stud on our defense. Losing a DT like his has been horrible in the past. Drevlow last year against YSU and Gratzek for a couple games with a knee, but at least those weren't because of a dirty cheap shot that didn't need to happen.

Read the two posts above yours...you might learn something.

[IndyBison]

This kind of block happens several times every game and I'm sure the Bison have done it to opponents as well. Low blocks are dangerous no matter where they happen and I would love to see them eliminated. Rogers Redding, supervisor of officials for the NCAA and editor of the rule book, would also like to see them eliminated but he is at the whim of the rules committee. It is made up entirely of coaches and there are too many coaches who rely on cut blocks to eliminate it completely. They have modified the block below the waist rule the past several years to limit it more but they've also made it very complicated.

I also caution players to use the phrase "play to the whistle" literally. There are like 45 ways in the rule book where the ball becomes dead (i.e. incomplete pass, runner out of bounds, touchdown) and only one of them is the whistle and it's not good...inadvertent. The whistle helps alert everyone when the play is over but it's not necessarily the end of the play. I understand coaches use the term to get their players to play the entire play but it can get them into trouble. I've had several personal fouls where the play was either obviously over or a player drilled a guy obviously out of the play (20-30 yards away from the runner) and their argument was "the whistle hadn't blown." That doesn't necessarily apply here because the defender was still very close to the runner and pursuing. A flag may have been supported here since it was very close to the end of the play and this type of block was not necessary.

[JustinTyem]

This kind of block happens several times every game and I'm sure the Bison have done it to opponents as well. Low blocks are dangerous no matter where they happen and I would love to see them eliminated. Rogers Redding, supervisor of officials for the NCAA and editor of the rule book, would also like to see them eliminated but he is at the whim of the rules committee. It is made up entirely of coaches and there are too many coaches who rely on cut blocks to eliminate it completely. They have modified the block below the waist rule the past several years to limit it more but they've also made it very complicated.

I also caution players to use the phrase "play to the whistle" literally. There are like 45 ways in the rule book where the ball becomes dead (i.e. incomplete pass, runner out of bounds, touchdown) and only one of them is the whistle and it's not good...inadvertent. The whistle helps alert everyone when the play is over but it's not necessarily the end of the play. I understand coaches use the term to get their players to play the entire play but it can get them into trouble. I've had several personal fouls where the play was either obviously over or a player drilled a guy obviously out of the play (20-30 yards away from the runner) and their argument was "the whistle hadn't blown." That doesn't necessarily apply here because the defender was still very close to the runner and pursuing. A flag may have been supported here since it was very close to the end of the play and this type of block was not necessary.BINGO!!!!!! Great Post Brian,Great Post !!!!!!!

[ndsubison1]

Losing Perry is going to hurt us. We need Schaetz to get healthy. Drevlow is one of the best in league. We need to get what ever we can out of Juckem. Luecke played well against SDSU. They also have been moving DE Mike Hardie inside on long down situations. Between Schaetz, Juckem, and Luecke; alongside Drevlow, with Hardie coming in, in passing downs, we will still have a very good defensive line. Although I will say Perry is a game changer with his strength and quickness.

huge blow to our DL. thank god we have some depth that will help somewhat make up for it

[ndsubison1]

I'll bite. I want to preface with saying I'm not happy to see any kind of an injury to a Jackrabbit or opponent.

To me it looked like SDSU guy had his back somewhat to the play and had no way of knowing there was a pile. Keep blocking until the whistle blows. As some level headed fans here have stated, it wasn't an illegal hit. If it happened to one of our players, I would be upset as well.

I do find it interesting that fans bitch about a play for being dirty (that is within the rules), then expect retribution next year on the bottom of a pile within the same breath.

As Mr. Burghundy said earlier, stay classy.

is football like baseball and we will be seeing some retaliation? ;) look out zenner. look out nate wolters ;)

[wow]

Illegal??? No, But Bush league??? Yes,All day long!!!!!! The forward progress had halted,even if the ref hadnt blow the whistle(He was late on that call),the pile was going backwards,and there was "NO CLEAN REASON" to chop block with that result!!!!!

Please explain how Parker was supposed to know progress was stopped when he had his back to the runner and was engaged with an active defender?

Seriously Bisonville, if I was in your shoes I might be just as upset, but there wasn't anything wrong, illegal, or cheap about that play.

[daddy daycare]

It wasn't illegal but it was wrong and cheap. Bushleague.

[BadlandsBison]

is football like baseball and we will be seeing some retaliation? ;) look out zenner. look out nate wolters ;)

Lulz, not wolters! Wow just spewed his coffee all over the screen

[Bison"FANatic"]

It wasn't illegal but it was wrong and cheap. Bushleague.

This^^^^^^

Chop blocks happen all the time but not in that situation. Leevon extended his arms and pushed him off as they were both slowing down and Parker made the decision to go cheap and go for his knee. Wasn't illegal but it sure was cheap. Cheap doesn't get forgotten. When you have lost the rock three years in a row desperation starts to set in.

[344Johnson]

This^^^^^^

Chop blocks happen all the time but not in that situation. Leevon extended his arms and pushed him off as they were both slowing down and Parker made the decision to go cheap and go for his knee. Wasn't illegal but it sure was cheap. Cheap doesn't get forgotten. When you have lost the rock three years in a row desperation starts to set in.

They better get used to it.

[Grizzled]

These types of blocks happen all the time. Its just unfortunate that Perry got hurt. Its the type of play that when your sitting in the film room on Saturday, if the guy doesn't make the block and Perry winds up getting back in on the play and making a tackle or stripping the ball, the Bison coaches are talking about effort and game changing plays and the Jacks coaches are talking about playing until the whistle. I feel bad Leevon got hurt and it is going to be a big loss to our defense but I don't look at it as a dirty play on the blockers part. Playing until the whistle is what has made our Bison team so fun to watch over the years and nothing was illegal about the block.

[RowdyRabbit]

Just tuning in.

Honestly, I don't have enough of a football mind to know what kind of blocks are legal and what are illegal. There are plenty of Bison fans (and even a former player) on here saying it wasn't illegal so I'll take their word for it, over the rest of you with sour grapes. His back was to the play so he was blocking to the whistle.

In the same video, at almost the same time, what about your guy (#8) hitting our guy (#23) wasn't that a cheap shot as well, possibly even illegal? I know block to the back on kicks and punts are illegal.

I mean, the play was clearly over, and 23 had disengaged, and 8 could clearly see the play was over, yet he drilled him in the back. DIRTY.*

*No, I don't necessarily think it was dirty, just making a point.

*edit* Also, let me be clear, it sucks the Perry got hurt on the play, I hope he recovers asap, I don't wish injury on anyone, but if it was legal, then all I can say is it's football, injuries happen.

[BisonNeil]

More importantly, I wonder if Bohl will move Tony LaVoy back to DT for the playoffs? He was getting playing time last year as a third string DT but was moved to LG last spring and won the starting job before fracturing his wrist. He is clearly third string LG after Colville and Johnson. I think he played well at DT in the playoffs last year. I think they could use him. Just a thought.

[Bison"FANatic"]

More importantly, I wonder if Bohl will move Tony LaVoy back to DT for the playoffs? He was getting playing time last year as a third string DT but was moved to LG last spring and won the starting job before fracturing his wrist. He is clearly third string LG after Colville and Johnson. I think he played well at DT in the playoffs last year. I think they could use him. Just a thought.

I have been wondering the same thing and was looking forward to see how it all shakes out.

[KilldeerBison]

Has anyone heard if Leevon will have surgery on his knee? I haven't heard exactly the extent of the damage (ACL, MCL?). I know it was reported that the injury will end his season, hopefuly not his career.

[CAS4127]

Has anyone heard if Leevon will have surgery on his knee? I haven't heard exactly the extent of the damage (ACL, MCL?). I know it was reported that the injury will end his season, hopefuly not his career.

Heard it was a pretty severe meniscus tear, not ligaments, but who knows for sure until they release more information.

[Bison06]

Heard it was a pretty severe meniscus tear, not ligaments, but who knows for sure until they release more information.

I would be surprised if they have said he is out for the season if it is JUST his meniscus, regardless of the severity. If it were just the meniscus, they would probably hold out hope that he can be back for the playoffs.

After looking at the mechanism of injury, my guess is there is some MCL damage and some ACL damage.

[CivilBison96]

I doubt this would be the case but theoretically the "season" ends Saturday. Maybe there is hope that he would be back for the playoffs?

[CAS4127]

I would be surprised if they have said he is out for the season if it is JUST his meniscus, regardless of the severity. If it were just the meniscus, they would probably hold out hope that he can be back for the playoffs.

After looking at the mechanism of injury, my guess is there is some MCL damage and some ACL damage.

I was likewise surprised to hear of season-ending meniscus tear, but that is what I heard on the radio.

[Bison06]

I was likewise surprised to hear of season-ending meniscus tear, but that is what I heard on the radio.

Well if it is just the meniscus it is still great news. The recovery from that is nothing compared to an ACL repair and we will have him at full strength next year.

[CAS4127]

Well if it is just the meniscus it is still great news. The recovery from that is nothing compared to an ACL repair and we will have him at full strength next year.

Ya, agreed, but, like you, I doubt it is just meniscus tear from what I saw on the video.

[KilldeerBison]

Well if it is just the meniscus it is still great news. The recovery from that is nothing compared to an ACL repair and we will have him at full strength next year.
In any case, he is fortunate that modern knee surgery can effectively repair the damage. Some years ago, even slight/moderate meniscus tears could mean career ending. I knew alot of guys who had surgery in high school, only to repeat surgery in their late 20's, 30's and 40's. It seemed like the first surgery did about as much damage as the injury.

[Kermit]

I would be surprised if they have said he is out for the season if it is JUST his meniscus, regardless of the severity. If it were just the meniscus, they would probably hold out hope that he can be back for the playoffs.

After looking at the mechanism of injury, my guess is there is some MCL damage and some ACL damage.

The recovery time from surgery for a meniscus injury depends on the severity of the injury, and the extent of the procedure. For example, Chase Budinger of the Minnesota Timberwolves just had a meniscus repair done by Dr. James Andrews, and it was announced that he will be out about 3 months. In Leevon's situation, a similar prognosis would be season-ending.

[Bison06]

The recovery time from surgery for a meniscus injury depends on the severity of the injury, and the extent of the procedure. For example, Chase Budinger of the Minnesota Timberwolves just had a meniscus repair done by Dr. James Andrews, and it was announced that he will be out about 3 months. In Leevon's situation, a similar prognosis would be season-ending.

After looking at Leevon's injury, do you think it is likely to be simply a meniscus tear?

Also, with a 3 month recovery period for Budinger, do you also think his is simply a meniscus tear? I have never seen a meniscus tear take a three month to recover from.

[Kermit]

After looking at Leevon's injury, do you think it is likely to be simply a meniscus tear?

Also, with a 3 month recovery period for Budinger, do you also think his is simply a meniscus tear? I have never seen a meniscus tear take a three month to recover from.

He could have certainly injured his MCL, and possibly his ACL given the mechanism of injury. On the other hand, it didn't look like he had any major instability after the injury which would weigh against a major injury to a ligament. Leevon has doctors and he had an MRI so I'm sure he knows for sure. These things frequently get confused when reported in the press, so we may never know for sure unless Leevon decides to tell us.

[CAS4127]

He could have certainly injured his MCL, and possibly his ACL given the mechanism of injury. On the other hand, it didn't look like he had any major instability after the injury which would weigh against a major injury to a ligament. Leevon has doctors and he had an MRI so I'm sure he knows for sure. These things frequently get confused when reported in the press, so we may never know for sure unless Leevon decides to tell us.

Could be combo platter of severe meniscus tear with stretching, but no tearing of ligaments. I think he even came back in after the initial injury and tried to play, didn't he. That suggests no ligament tear and or one tough SOB!!

[Bison06]

He could have certainly injured his MCL, and possibly his ACL given the mechanism of injury. On the other hand, it didn't look like he had any major instability after the injury which would weigh against a major injury to a ligament. Leevon has doctors and he had an MRI so I'm sure he knows for sure. These things frequently get confused when reported in the press, so we may never know for sure unless Leevon decides to tell us.

I didn't realize he came back in and played. You're right, that suggests he may not have any major ligamentous damage. Interesting stuff.

Well, however it plays out here I hope we have him back at full strength for the start of fall camp. He is a big reason our defense is playing so well and will be missed for this playoff run.

[KilldeerBison]

Could be combo platter of severe meniscus tear with stretching, but no tearing of ligaments. I think he even came back in after the initial injury and tried to play, didn't he. That suggests no ligament tear and or one tough SOB!!

Yes, he came back and even made a tackle I believe. He jogged off the field.

[56BISON73]

Illegal??? No, But Bush league??? Yes,All day long!!!!!! The forward progress had halted,even if the ref hadnt blow the whistle(He was late on that call),the pile was going backwards,and there was "NO CLEAN REASON" to chop block with that result!!!!!

How did the Jack know forward progress was halted? How did he know the pile was going backwards? His job was to make sure Perry didnt pursue the play. Its not his job to look around to see whats going on when he is engaged with a defender.

[NDSU '96]

I've got absolutely no problem with the block for this reason: I have grown up watching our perimeter rams cut opposing d-backs far downfield and away from the play for as long as I can remember. It was about playing to the whistle and ensuring no one would make a play on our running back because you never knew when our guy would bust one and I'll be damned if it would be my guy that makes a play downfield to prevent us scoring a TD.

[hattonbison]

How did the Jack know forward progress was halted? How did he know the pile was going backwards? His job was to make sure Perry didnt pursue the play. Its not his job to look around to see whats going on when he is engaged with a defender.

Engaged, he was not even touching perry, he was alongside him, went down and put his helmet on the knee. Then he gets up and looks to see the damage he did. Watch his eyes. It is what it is, cheap. Glad you like defending this kinda play!!!!!!!

[Grizzled]

Engaged, he was not even touching perry, he was alongside him, went down and put his helmet on the knee. Then he gets up and looks to see the damage he did. Watch his eyes. It is what it is, cheap. Glad you like defending this kinda play!!!!!!!

PL is defending playing to the whistle, something that every coach tries to get their players to do. Like I said earlier, if the ball carrier gets held up at the line and Perry comes in and strips it, the Olineman does not want to be in film on Sunday. Its unfortunate Levon got hurt but your coached to play to the whistle especially when within five yards of the action.

[bisontwice]

I know his knee was injured but has anyone heard what? ACL, MCL, PCL, Triad injury etc. Bohl alluded to a possible career ending injury which sounds like something major...but then he also came out and tried to play on it after the original injury.

[56BISON73]

Engaged, he was not even touching perry, he was alongside him, went down and put his helmet on the knee. Then he gets up and looks to see the damage he did. Watch his eyes. It is what it is, cheap. Glad you like defending this kinda play!!!!!!!

:facepalm::facepalm:

[MAKBison]

In any case, he is fortunate that modern knee surgery can effectively repair the damage. Some years ago, even slight/moderate meniscus tears could mean career ending. I knew alot of guys who had surgery in high school, only to repeat surgery in their late 20's, 30's and 40's. It seemed like the first surgery did about as much damage as the injury.

Very true----even the dreaded triple tear is not a career ending injure anymore. They say 5 or more months depending on the player.

[MAKBison]

I'll bite. I want to preface with saying I'm not happy to see any kind of an injury to a Jackrabbit or opponent.

To me it looked like SDSU guy had his back somewhat to the play and had no way of knowing there was a pile. Keep blocking until the whistle blows. As some level headed fans here have stated, it wasn't an illegal hit. If it happened to one of our players, I would be upset as well.

I do find it interesting that fans bitch about a play for being dirty (that is within the rules), then expect retribution next year on the bottom of a pile within the same breath.

As Mr. Burghundy said earlier, stay classy.



It matters not what a bunch of dipshits on the fb forums say----if the players think it was dirty they will deal with it their way they next time they play.

Stay rational!!!!

[westnodak93bison]

Just watched it again on all access. Third offensive play of their first series. Dirty imho.

[Herdwork]

Injuries happen, hit didn't look to be malicious. In the line of work. That said I think that the boys should be fired up next week and definately next year should they need motivation/

[KilldeerBison]

I got a chance to watch the Monday presser, Bohl said that a "knee scope" is planned, will know more once that is done.

[tony]

Best wishes to Leevon for a speedy recovery.

[goalpost]

cheap cheap cheap

[Bison06]

cheap cheap cheap

I could pull up tape of NDSU guys doing the same thing to other teams. Watch what you call cheap, it can easily be tossed back in your face.

Everybody does it, in fact, it is encouraged. Hate the game not the player my man.

[BISONFANAJ]

It was cheap, but not illegal.

[BisonNeil]

Everybody says a meniscus tear isn't career ending, but isn't that what ended Jerve's career? Help me out here.

[NDSUstudent]

Everybody says a meniscus tear isn't career ending, but isn't that what ended Jerve's career? Help me out here.

Jerve had a microfracture in his knee. The same thing also is what forced Gratzek to end his football career instead of giving the NFL a try.

[Bison06]

It was cheap, but not illegal.

I wouldn't even call it cheap. What specifically about the block was cheap in your mind?

[goalpost]

im not your man wierd

[Bison06]

im not your man wierd

Glad we're able to have an adult conversation, thanks for your input.

[jacks1]

I could pull up tape of NDSU guys doing the same thing to other teams. Watch what you call cheap, it can easily be tossed back in your face.

Everybody does it, in fact, it is encouraged. Hate the game not the player my man.

If Burgundy says it's cheap, it's cheap. Go back and read the book he wrote about it.

[westnodak93bison]

I wouldn't even call it cheap. What specifically about the block was cheap in your mind?

Was it really necessary for him to dive at the knees to accomplish blocking Leevon? Seems to me he went out of his way to target the knee.

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[56BISON73]

Was it really necessary for him to dive at the knees to accomplish blocking Leevon? Seems to me he went out of his way to target the knee.

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The cut block is supposed to take the feet out from under the defender. Unfortunately Perry had his feet planted so something had to give. He wasnt targeting the knee. He was going for the lower legs. The Bison use this technique also. Its part of the game. Nothing dirty or cheap about it. If he wouldnt have gotten injured nobody would have said squat.

[IzzyFlexion]

Jerve had a microfracture in his knee. The same thing also is what forced Gratzek to end his football career instead of giving the NFL a try.

A microfracture is a surgical technique and not an injury. It is a procedure designed to enhance or supplement the effectiveness of the meniscus by creating tiny fractures in the bone. This results in intra articular bleeding which bathes the cartilage and forms desirable clotting. The objective is to save the meniscus vs yanking it out.

[JustinTyem]

Jerve had a microfracture in his knee. The same thing also is what forced Gratzek to end his football career instead of giving the NFL a try.Its the same surgery that Warren Holloway had offseason 2011.

[NDSUstudent]

A microfracture is a surgical technique and not an injury. It is a procedure designed to enhance or supplement the effectiveness of the meniscus by creating tiny fractures in the bone. This results in intra articular bleeding which bathes the cartilage and forms desirable clotting. The objective is to save the meniscus vs yanking it out.

Well I'll admit I'm not a great knee injury/surgery mind. Thanks for clarifying that.

[GRAFTONBISON]

The cut block is supposed to take the feet out from under the defender. Unfortunately Perry had his feet planted so something had to give. He wasnt targeting the knee. He was going for the lower legs. The Bison use this technique also. Its part of the game. Nothing dirty or cheap about it. If he wouldnt have gotten injured nobody would have said squat.

I'm not a great football mind in any regard, but I agree with your post.

IMHO, some Bisons fans need to put their big boy pants on.

[Flow 2-3-4-5]

The cut block is supposed to take the feet out from under the defender. Unfortunately Perry had his feet planted so something had to give. He wasnt targeting the knee. He was going for the lower legs. The Bison use this technique also. Its part of the game. Nothing dirty or cheap about it. If he wouldnt have gotten injured nobody would have said squat.

This is exactly why the majority of DI teams have the O Line and interior D Line in knee braces to prevent this type of injury. Wearing a brace most likely won't prevent all knee injuries but it will prevent many and/or lessen the severity. This practice has become the standard at the vast majority of FBS and a good number of FCS and even some smaller schools.

[KilldeerBison]

"Working out/eating right/rehab ill be back in no time! Time to go get paid!!"

This is a twitter by Leevon today, at least this sounds encouraging, not career ending. Best of luck to him.