Week 2 Polls....

[NDSUstudent]

TSN...

1. North Dakota State Bison (94) 2-0 3946 2
2. Sam Houston State Bearkats (61) 1-0 3897 1
3. Montana State Bobcats (1) 2-0 3485 4
4. James Madison Dukes (1) 2-0 3398 5
5. Youngstown State Penguins (4) 2-0 3367 6
6. Old Dominion Monarchs 2-0 3037 7
7. Northern Iowa Panthers 1-1 2884 8
8. Appalachian State Mountaineers 1-1 2796 11
9. Wofford Terriers 2-0 2554 10
10. Eastern Washington Eagles 1-1 2431 9
11. Georgia Southern Eagles 1-1 2201 3
12. Towson Tigers 0-1 1987 13
13. Delaware Blue Hens 2-0 1900 15
14. Montana Grizzlies 1-1 1756 12
15. Illinois State Redbirds 2-0 1692 18
16. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 2-0 1639 16
17. Stony Brook Seawolves 2-0 1460 17
18. New Hampshire Wildcats 1-1 1422 14
19. McNeese State Cowboys 2-0 962 22
20. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 1-1 704 21
21. The Citadel Bulldogs 2-0 649 NR
22. Indiana State Sycamores 1-1 567 23
23. Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 1-1 564 19
24. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1-1 509 24
25. Maine Black Bears 0-1 472 20

Others receiving votes: Central Arkansas 462, Norfolk State 256, Bethune-Cookman 207, Harvard 159, Northern Arizona 158, Sacramento State 149, North Dakota 123, UT Martin 71, Tennessee Tech 64, Cal Poly 52, Albany 50, Samford 41, South Dakota State 36, Tennessee State 29, Richmond 24, Alabama State 23, Eastern Illinois 21, Penn 17, Southern Utah 16, South Carolina State 15, Western Illinois 11, Lafayette 9, Coastal Carolina 9, William & Mary 7, Southeast Missouri State 7, Georgetown 6, Liberty 6, Idaho State 4, Villanova 4, Alcorn State 3, Alabama A&M 2, Murray State 1, Monmouth 1, Drake 1, Cornell 1, Chattanooga 1

[heffray]

Apparently they aren't taking Heagle's injury into account...

[heffray]

Still no love for Illinoise State, or not enough love...

[NDSUstudent]

What does ISU Red need to do? 2-0 with a win over an FBS opponent and they can't even jump schools with a losses to FCS teams.

[KTF]

Wonder how far done the polls will slide this week with the game vs. Idle? [\purple font]

[NDSUstudent]

Wonder how far done the polls will slide this week with the game vs. Idle? (/purple font)

UND also plays at San Diego State, the atmosphere is ripe for voter confusion.

[NDSUstudent]

Coaches Poll

1. North Dakota State (24) 2-0 648 1
2. Sam Houston State (2) 1-0 625 2
3. Montana State 2-0 574 4
4. Old Dominion 2-0 552 5
5. James Madison 2-0 524 6
6. Northern Iowa 1-1 503 7
7. Appalachian State 1-1 498 8
8. Youngstown State 2-0 489 10
9. Wofford 2-0 396 13
10. Georgia Southern 1-1 365 3
11. Eastern Washington 1-1 362 11
12. Montana 1-1 334 9
13. Lehigh 2-0 328 14
14. Delaware 2-0 319 15
15. Towson 0-1 259 16
16. Stony Brook 2-0 250 17
17. Illinois State 2-0 243 19
18. New Hampshire 1-1 227 12
19. McNeese State 2-0 157 T-21
20. Central Arkansas 1-1 138 20
21. Maine 1-1 108 18
22. Norfolk State 2-0 94 24
23. The Citadel 2-0 73 NR
24. Harvard 0-0 66 23
25. Eastern Kentucky 1-1 63 25

Others Receiving Votes: Stephen F. Austin (47), Indiana State (44), Jacksonville State (43), Bethune-Cookman (42), North Dakota (18), Sacramento State (18), Albany (12), Northern Arizona (10), Alabama A&M (5), Pennsylvania (4), Tennessee State (3), Samford (3), Lafayette (2), Cal Poly (1), William & Mary (1), Cornell (1), Tennessee Tech (1).

[NDSUstudent]

AGS....

1 North Dakota State Bison 2838 (109)
2 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2634 (2)
3 Old Dominion Monarchs 2256
4 Northern Iowa Panthers 2221
5 Youngstown State Penguins 2211 (1)
6 Appalachian State Mountaineers 2189
7 Montana State Bobcats 2157 (1)
8 James Madison Dukes 2147
9 Wofford Terriers 1647
10 Eastern Washington Eagles 1565
11 Georgia Southern Eagles 1488
12 Montana Grizzlies 1394
13 Illinois State Redbirds 1390
14 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1295
15 Stony Brook Seawolves 1253
16 Towson Tigers 1223
17 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1098
18 New Hampshire Wildcats 958
19 McNeese State Cowboys 797
20 Maine Black Bears 722
21 Central Arkansas Bears 607
22 Indiana State Sycamores 448
23 Cal Poly Mustangs 424
24 The Citadel Bulldogs 364 (1)
25 Albany Great Danes 240

26 Norfolk State Spartans 219
27 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 210
28 Sacramento State Hornets 116
29 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 115
30 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 109
31 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 94
32 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 86
33 Harvard Crimson 72
34T Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 49
34T Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 49
36 Lafayette Leopards 44
37 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 43
38 Samford Bulldogs 40
39 Georgetown Hoyas 30
40 South Dakota State Jackrabbits 22

[CAS4127]

A few things come to mind when I look at these polls and consider some of the games that have been played to date. First, MVFC is tough, very tough!! I think the Big Sky is down this year, and would not at all be surprised if the Who finish 1-3 in the conference (that's how down I think the BSC is) and possibly make the playoffs. Also, we just need to get through the MVFC schedule fairly unscathed, with a decent playoff rank, and we can make another NC run. That's how i see things now.

[MNLonghorn10]

sooo...how many more wins until ndsu starts seeing some AP top25 votes?

[cbline]

sooo...how many more wins until ndsu starts seeing some AP top25 votes?

I did not see any purple font with this one, so you need to stop drinking the Kool Aid.

[MNLonghorn10]

I did not see any purple font with this one, so you need to stop drinking the Kool Aid.
no purple.


AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Alabama (55) 12-1 1495
2 LSU (1) 13-1 1425
3 Oklahoma State (4) 12-1 1399
4 Oregon 12-2 1250
5 Arkansas 11-2 1198
6 USC 10-2 1181
7 Stanford 11-2 1167
8 Boise State 12-1 1127
9 South Carolina 11-2 1013
10 Wisconsin 11-3 905
11 Michigan State 11-3 873
12 Michigan 11-2 839
13 Baylor 10-3 780
14 TCU 11-2 653
15 Kansas State 10-3 621
16 Oklahoma 10-3 572
17 West Virginia 10-3 547
18 Houston 13-1 518
19 Georgia 10-4 439
20 Southern Miss 12-2 411
21 Virginia Tech 11-3 329
22 Clemson 10-4 188
23 Florida State 9-4 154
24 Nebraska 9-4 143
25 Cincinnati 10-3 103
Others receiving votes: Brigham Young 51, Auburn 40, Northern Illinois 33, Missouri 23, Texas 15, Rutgers 3, North Dakota State 2, Penn State 2, Virginia 1

[JSUBison]

It's been said already on AGS, but Montana State is a joke being that high while ISU-R sits 14 spots behind them. At least the spread on the AGS poll is only 6.

[THEsocalledfan]

A few things come to mind when I look at these polls and consider some of the games that have been played to date. First, MVFC is tough, very tough!! I think the Big Sky is down this year, and would not at all be surprised if the Who finish 1-3 in the conference (that's how down I think the BSC is) and possibly make the playoffs. Also, we just need to get through the MVFC schedule fairly unscathed, with a decent playoff rank, and we can make another NC run. That's how i see things now.

Two comments:

1. I agree on this ISU-r stuff. I just can't figure out why they get so little respect. I would not be at all surprised if robbed again of playoffs.
2. CAS, are you coming around on this team? That was quite a positive statement. You seeing something out of that O line that has you hopeful?

[CAS4127]

Two comments:

1. I agree on this ISU-r stuff. I just can't figure out why they get so little respect. I would not be at all surprised if robbed again of playoffs.
2. CAS, are you coming around on this team? That was quite a positive statement. You seeing something out of that O line that has you hopeful?

I am still very concerned about our MVFC schedule, but I was fairly (trying not to overstate things) impressed with our O-Line against CSU. I believe, however, that we have 2-4 teams in the MVFC who have better D-lines than CSU. That's why I said "if we can get through MVFC schedule fairly unscathed"--meaning 1-2 loses, especially when it seems the BSC is down and we have a history of beating, if not piss-pounding, the high-ranked teams from the east. In short, we need to get to the PO's with 1-2 loses max, and we have good chance of a NC run AS THINGS STAND NOW I SHOULD ADD!!

[THEsocalledfan]

I am still very concerned about our MVFC schedule, but I was fairly (trying not to overstate things) impressed with our O-Line against CSU. I believe, however, that we have 2-4 teams in the MVFC who have better D-lines than CSU. That's why I said "if we can get through MVFC schedule fairly unscathed"--meaning 1-2 loses, especially when it seems the BSC is down and we have a history of beating, if not piss-pounding, the high-ranked teams from the east. In short, we need to get to the PO's with 1-2 loses max, and we have good chance of a NC run AS THINGS STAND NOW I SHOULD ADD!!

Agreed MVF will be brutal. While the UNI game will be tough, no doubt, I am getting more and more worried about the Youngstown game, even though at home. Further, we have to go to ISU-r this year....thank goodness SDSU comes to Fargo, or that would be completely set up as a let down game at the end of the season.

[ndsubison1]

i think the top this season is going to be more cluttered then we've seen. i think us and shsu are the clear 1-2, although shsu beat a non DI team still remains to be seen, but doesnt look like there will be many dominant teams. ysu will be towards the top but big sky looks to be down. jmu will likely get crushed this weekend vs West Virginia, App St. and Georgia Southern already lost. just dont see many dominant teams towards the top right now

[Twentysix]

Big sky looks way down. EWU is probably the best team and may not be seed worthy.

[tjbison]

Agreed MVF will be brutal. While the UNI game will be tough, no doubt, I am getting more and more worried about the Youngstown game, even though at home. Further, we have to go to ISU-r this year....thank goodness SDSU comes to Fargo, or that would be completely set up as a let down game at the end of the season.

Really nervous about YSU, they will be coming off a bye week, hopefully the 12th man is alive that week

[DjKyRo]

I'm disappointed in the SoCon this year, too. Georgia Southern didn't play as well in their game against the Citadel as the score would indicate and were sloppy as all hell. Chattanooga was supposed to be halfways decent this year but dropped an egg this past week. Furman dropped one to Samford in Week 1 and App might be the best team in the conference. I'd put them at ASU-Wofford-GSU right now, and only one of those is in my top ten so far. Even the CAA isn't looking like its old self. In any event, paves the way for MVFC teams to do their thing.

I predict we'll see four top-ten MVFC teams at some point this season.

[Hambone]

It does appear that the MVFC is the strongest thus far in the early season. I have 4 in my top 11 on AGS (5 of my top 18). And I do agree that the Big Sky appears to be down a little, but it's mainly the top teams don't seem as strong but I think that the middle teams are pretty good. But no one compares to the MVFC as of yet.

[CaBisonFan]

The MVFC was strong before we joined...but we've raised the bar. We see the result in MVFC games vs. the FBS.

We probably have 4 or 5 teams that could do some damage in the playoffs.

[SamsRams]

no purple.

Mack Brown still sucks :)

[56BISON73]

sooo...how many more wins until ndsu starts seeing some AP top25 votes?

Well done her comes the shit show. LOL

[JustinTyem]

sooo...how many more wins until ndsu starts seeing some AP top25 votes?If we roll UNI and unscored on,they will get some votes I bet.

[tjbison]

If we roll UNI and unscored on,they will get some votes I bet.

Not a chance........come on

[Hammersmith]

NDSU will get votes only if we repeat and only for the final poll. There are one or two voters that put the FCS champ as #25 on the final poll as a sort of statement. Other than that singular case, not gonna happen.

[bajadanny]

Big Sky is always overrated c'mon North Az, Port ST, Sac St, UNC, Idaho St. they were lucky to get the Caly teams. Hell the whx beat Port St.

was at the game in Ft.C. saw a couple whx fans in some of their gear, man go watch your own team!!! oh ya I told em what I thought of them there.

[NDSUBowler]

If we roll UNI and unscored on,they will get some votes I bet.
OK! Lets bet!

[JustinTyem]

OK! Lets bet!Ok,UNI almost beat Wisconsin,thats gotta mean something. Atleast 1 vote............ Hey the glass is Half-Full, not Half-Empty!!!

[NDSUBowler]

Ok,UNI almost beat Wisconsin,thats gotta mean something. Atleast 1 vote............ Hey the glass is Half-Full, not Half-Empty!!!
And Wisconsin also lost to Oregon State. Just because one team over-performs and another under-performs which leads to a narrow loss, doesn't mean that if we were to beat them 77-0 we would get any recognition.

I'd LOVE for FCS teams to have a shot at the top 25 rankings but it just isn't likely when we have VERY few ways to compare our teams to FBS teams outside of 1-2 FCB/FBS matchups per team per year.

[yellowstreak]

Seems like Montanta State and Appalachian State are both rated too high in the coaches poll. Illinois State is probably better than both those teams.

[reformedUNDfan]

sooo...how many more wins until ndsu starts seeing some AP top25 votes?

14, particularly if wins 13 and 14 are dominating.

[heffray]

I am still very concerned about our MVFC schedule, but I was fairly (trying not to overstate things) impressed with our O-Line against CSU. I believe, however, that we have 2-4 teams in the MVFC who have better D-lines than CSU. That's why I said "if we can get through MVFC schedule fairly unscathed"--meaning 1-2 loses, especially when it seems the BSC is down and we have a history of beating, if not piss-pounding, the high-ranked teams from the east. In short, we need to get to the PO's with 1-2 loses max, and we have good chance of a NC run AS THINGS STAND NOW I SHOULD ADD!!

I would ADD... as long as we don't keep having the injury troubles we seem to be having after 2 weeks... I don't think we can win another Natty if we don't have Marcus healthy all year.

[RowdyRabbit]

UND also plays at San Diego State, the atmosphere is ripe for voter confusion.

On the bright side, when SDSU (CA) whips UND, SDSU (SD) will jump to #1 in the polls for beating the current #1 team in FCS (NDSU), who will drop out of the polls.

[Bison03]

On the bright side, when SDSU (CA) whips UND, SDSU (SD) will jump to #1 in the polls for beating the current #1 team in FCS (NDSU), who will drop out of the polls.

That is a real possibility.

[MarkyMark]

Seems like Montanta State and Appalachian State are both rated too high in the coaches poll. Illinois State is probably better than both those teams.

MT. State had a very unimpressive win against Drake, 34 to 24 over the weekend. Unless they had an off weekend they are very over-rated.

[MarkyMark]

sooo...how many more wins until ndsu starts seeing some AP top25 votes?

To get AP votes the Bison need CSU run the table including a win against Boise. Plus the Bison would need to stay unbeaten and win another championship.

[THEsocalledfan]

On the bright side, when SDSU (CA) whips UND, SDSU (SD) will jump to #1 in the polls for beating the current #1 team in FCS (NDSU), who will drop out of the polls.

You know its sad but true.
http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Celebrities/M_R/Me_Mib/Metallica/1/metallica-james-hetfield04.jpg

[cbline]

On the bright side, when SDSU (CA) whips UND, SDSU (SD) will jump to #1 in the polls for beating the current #1 team in FCS (NDSU), who will drop out of the polls.

How dare you think such evil thoughts! The und (insert logo and mascot here) football team is the reincarnation of all things good and true about college football. No way will the Aztecs win this game!

[Vitojr130]

That is a real possibility.

If this happens, all voters completely lose credibility. If they can't distinguish NDSU from UND after our Championship run, all hope is lost for these polls.

[Bison55]

To me there are 123 voters who have already lost credibility, by submitting votes for the whioux.... I guess beating up on D3 teams then barely winning at home is worthy of votes now!? :rolleyes:

[moosbah]

Ok,UNI almost beat Wisconsin,thats gotta mean something. Atleast 1 vote............ Hey the glass is Half-Full, not Half-Empty!!!

Half full of Everclear.

[ndsubison1]

To me there are 123 voters who have already lost credibility, by submitting votes for the whioux.... I guess beating up on D3 teams then barely winning at home is worthy of votes now!? :rolleyes:

i can see the argument for them being around 24-25. theyre likely better than SFA. psu finished in the upper half of the big sky last year tied for 3rd so i wouldnt call that a bad win at all. just trying to look at it objectively

[reformedUNDfan]

sagarin top10:

#55 NDSU
#78 GSU
#81 UNI
#84 YSU
#87 EWU
#88 JMU
#93 ISU-r
#96 ODU
#106 wofford
#109 SHSU

[BlueBisonRock]

Half full of Everclear.

That and a match will take you far.

[HandoEX]

sagarin top10:

#55 NDSU
#78 GSU
#81 UNI
#84 YSU
#87 EWU
#88 JMU
#93 ISU-r
#96 ODU
#106 wofford
#109 SHSU
Are there more than one team called GSU? Because Georgia Southern LOST to the Citadel. No way they can be that high!

[NDSU92]

Are there more than one team called GSU? Because Georgia Southern LOST to the Citadel. No way they can be that high!

Nope that's them

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

[imabison]

On the bright side, when SDSU (CA) whips UND, SDSU (SD) will jump to #1 in the polls for beating the current #1 team in FCS (NDSU), who will drop out of the polls.

Those were my thoughts this afternoon...

[gotts]

Are there more than one team called GSU? Because Georgia Southern LOST to the Citadel. No way they can be that high!

I'd wait another week or two before putting any serious stock into Sagarin.

[CAS4127]

Are there more than one team called GSU? Because Georgia Southern LOST to the Citadel. No way they can be that high!

I guess I always thought Saragin was a perpetual ranking, meaning rank carries over to the next year from the last, and so on. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[reformedUNDfan]

I guess I always thought Saragin was a perpetual ranking, meaning rank carries over to the next year from the last, and so on. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

only for the first few weeks, when he uses the average of several previous seasons. In ndsu's case, that likely includes 3-8.

[MNLonghorn10]

Well 3-8 translate to #55.

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[ndsubison1]

Are there more than one team called GSU? Because Georgia Southern LOST to the Citadel. No way they can be that high!

georgia state. but they suck

[tony]

georgia state. but they suck

Grambling State too. Too many GSUs. Only one NDSU though.

[Hammersmith]

I guess I always thought Saragin was a perpetual ranking, meaning rank carries over to the next year from the last, and so on. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Like reformed said, the carryover is only until Sag has enough data from the current season. If you go to the USA Today page, you'll see this line:

The teams are NOT WELL-CONNECTED and so all three ratings are BAYESIAN.

Once he has enough data(around week 5 or 6), that line will change to:

The teams are now WELL CONNECTED and so the ratings are UNBIASED.

Here's Sag's explanation from the page:

For the first few weeks of the season, the starting ratings have weight
in the process(BAYESIAN), but once the teams are all WELL CONNECTED, then
the starting ratings are no longer used and all teams are started equal
and the ratings are then done in an UNBIASED manner from that point on.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin.htm

[Pards Rule]

And the Pards in at #25 based on the big win over Bill & Mary!! Tonight at 6PM at home vs Penn and I will be there. Good luck next week vs PV Bison!!

[Tatanka]

And the Pards in at #25 based on the big win over Bill & Mary!! Tonight at 6PM at home vs Penn and I will be there. Good luck next week vs PV Bison!!Noticed that! Get 'em PARDS!!!

[BlueBisonRock]

And the Pards in at #25 based on the big win over Bill & Mary!! Tonight at 6PM at home vs Penn and I will be there. Good luck next week vs PV Bison!!

Hey there Ruler. You caught the fever in Fargo and are now bringing it to the northeast. Keep it up!

[Pards Rule]

Indeed Rock! Ironically the coach of the nearest HS to my house in Cherry Hill, NJ is Rocky Hager too! Pards win over Penn so we should bounce a couple of slots. Beat those Prarie Dogs!! Hey Tatanka, my nephew brought up a good point - you folks should have done a road trip to Easton this weekend while idle. Why didnt we think of that!?!?

[southcliffbison]

Grambling State too. Too many GSUs. Only one NDSU though.

True this, Tony. Unfortunately, there are people who vote in polls who are geographically challenged who confused NDSU with the "Toe-to-Toes" football team from El Forko Grande.

[Bison03]

True this, Tony. Unfortunately, there are people who vote in polls who are geographically challenged who confused NDSU with the "Toe-to-Toes" football team from El Forko Grande.

With the "toe to toe" loss UND had yesterday, and us on a bye; let's hope a repeat of last year does not occur.

[southcliffbison]

With the "toe to toe" loss UND had yesterday, and us on a bye; let's hope a repeat of last year does not occur.

I wouldn't doubt this happening; Heck, if you check out egriz.com, even egrizzers get the Bison confused with the Toe-to-Toes; don't believe me? Check out the thread "Final Big Sky Scores Week 3........... and und is in their freakin' conference. WOW !!

[Pards Rule]

Hell, I live in NJ and know Grand is an hour or so north! I know what you guys go through though: case in point Saturday's Phila. Inquirer had a game preview of Lafayette-Penn and the location was "Fisher Field, Bethlehem PA"...Right field, wrong city >> we're in Easton, PA, about 10 miles east of Bethlehem, home of our Lehigh brethren.