Bison #1 in AGS Preseason Poll

[EagleBison]

Final results for the 2012 Preseason Poll:

1 North Dakota State Bison 2722 94
2 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2441 9
3 Georgia Southern Eagles 2401 4
4 Montana State Bobcats 2041 0
5 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1883 0
6 Northern Iowa Panthers 1794 0
7 Old Dominion Monarchs 1695 0
8 Montana Grizzlies 1679 0
9 James Madison Dukes 1573 0
10 Towson Tigers 1521 0
11 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1433 0
12 Maine Black Bears 1327 0
13 Wofford Terriers 1296 0
14 New Hampshire Wildcats 1184 0
15 Stony Brook Seawolves 1042 0
16 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 1035 0
17 Central Arkansas Bears 751 0
18 Eastern Washington Eagles 701 0
19 Illinois State Redbirds 546 0
20 Youngstown State Penguins 509 0
21 Cal Poly Mustangs 430 0
22 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 394 0
23 Indiana State Sycamores 392 0
24 Liberty Flames 383 0
25 Chattanooga Mocs 377 0

Next 15
26 Harvard Crimson 372
27 Norfolk State Spartans 361
28 Furman Paladins 359
29 Albany Great Danes 305
30 William & Mary Tribe 263
31 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 213
32 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 211
33 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 148
34 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 146
35 Southern Illinois Salukis 123
36 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 98
37T Villanova Wildcats 82
37T McNeese State Cowboys 82
39 Jackson State Tigers 80
40 Richmond Spiders 79

Voters By Conference:
Colonial Athletic Association 23
Missouri Valley Football Conference 21
Big Sky Conference 17
Southern Conference 12
Mid-Eastern Athletic conference 9
Patriot League 6
Big South Conference 3
Ohio Valley Conference 3
Southland Conference 2
Southwestern Athletic Conference 2
Independent 1
Northeast Conference 1
Ivy League 0
Pioneer Football Conference 0

[CaBisonFan]

...thanks Eagle...

[thebigund]

34th my ass.

[KSBisonFan]

34th my ass.

No kidding.....way too high.

[ISXBISON]

34th my ass.

You're correct...it should be much lower

[Bison03]

CAA voted #1.....shocking.

[DjKyRo]

CAA voted #1.....shocking.

You realize that's just how many voters registered that as the conference that "their school" plays in, right?

[thebigund]

Hopefully being the preseason #1 works out better for you guys than it did EWU. High chance of some pulled muscles from players patting themselves on the back.

[Hammerhead]

I guess it's good to start out on top.

How many voters do you think are truly knowledgeable and unbiased to have a somewhat accurate poll? I turned down an invite to be a voter last year because I don't pay much attention to teams in other conferences. Plus, I rarely win our office's NFL pool because I can't pick against the Vikings so that puts me in a hole most weeks. :( It would be the same with the NDSU.

[JSUBison]

I vote and here is mine, so fire away. Real voting doesn't start until fall anyway. If you are wondering where Montana is, I left them off on purpose. That program is in shambles right now. But if any program can suck it up and go out and overcome all those negatives, it is Montana. They have App State, Liberty and the 'Yotes to start the year, no easy task. I think Poly or EWU will win the Sky this year.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Towson Tigers
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Alabama State Hornets
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Alabama A&M Bulldogs
20: Florida A&M Rattlers
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Georgetown Hoyas
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds

[tjbison]

Hopefully being the preseason #1 works out better for you guys than it did EWU. High chance of some pulled muscles from players patting themselves on the back.

LOL, cant wait till you guys hit the same point in your DI tenure and still havent been to the playoffs

but considering Montana is in a state of turmoil guess the no namers actually have a chance to beat them

[thebigund]

LOL, cant wait till you guys hit the same point in your DI tenure and still havent been to the playoffs

but considering Montana is in a state of turmoil guess the no namers actually have a chance to beat them
next year sugartits

[bisonboone11]

LOL, cant wait till you guys hit the same point in your DI tenure and still havent been to the playoffs

but considering Montana is in a state of turmoil guess the no namers actually have a chance to beat them
According to egriz.com, their QB from last year got expelled. Plus Nate Montana transferred. Could be a rough year for them.

[WRSDBison]

According to egriz.com, their QB from last year got expelled. Plus Nate Montana transferred. Could be a rough year for them.

Nate Montana transferred again? That's his 4th school in 5 years.

[tjbison]

next year sugartits

What is next year

[DjKyRo]

34th my ass.

http://i.imgur.com/XhPMb.jpg

[HandoEX]

If we aren't #1 in every poll in FCS, it will be a damn shame. There isn't a team out there that deserves to even sniff the Bison jock straps.

[reformedUNDfan]

my vote

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Stony Brook Seawolves
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Towson Tigers
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Old Dominion Monarchs
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Furman Paladins
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

[tjbison]

my vote

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Stony Brook Seawolves
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Towson Tigers
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Old Dominion Monarchs
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Furman Paladins
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

Did you actually submit that

[reformedUNDfan]

Did you actually submit that

yeah, why?

[Mr. Burgundy]

What is next year

The year UND has 7 wins, but one win is against SDSOTM so it won't count and they will be left out in the cold hoping not to get frostbite.

[letsgoguins]

NDSU is clearly #1. Hopefully YSU will be a top 10 or top 5 team by the time we meet again in Fargo!

[BadlandsBison]

NDSU is clearly #1. Hopefully YSU will be a top 10 or top 5 team by the time we meet again in Fargo!

One request from Bison fans; Beat the snot out of UNI this year :)

[Strommer10]

NDSU is clearly #1. Hopefully YSU will be a top 10 or top 5 team by the time we meet again in Fargo!
That very well could happen. Should be another close one in the dome next year!

[CaBisonFan]

Hopefully being the preseason #1 works out better for you guys than it did EWU. High chance of some pulled muscles from players patting themselves on the back.

We're very accustomed to this. Your hockey program expects to be in the Frozen Four most years. No problem.

I don't go to SS to question the validity of this expectation. I cheer for them.

We've seen this scenario many times. The 'program' knows how to handle it.

It comes with the turf of being National Champions. We'll take that any time.

If our offense can be consistent, we'll be very hard to beat...one weekend at a time.

[CaBisonFan]

NDSU is clearly #1. Hopefully YSU will be a top 10 or top 5 team by the time we meet again in Fargo!

Yes...we are. YSU played a great game in Fargo last year. This game will be very important for us.

It's one of the hot spots on the calendar. There are several.

[ndsubison1]

no surprise but we have some holes to fill. i dont think we should be #1. shsu is in better shape than us. i believe they return 17 starters and most of their studs. in the CS poll Ill be putting SHSU 1. no idea about us but i dont think we'll be the same as last season. playoff team no doubt, but i guess we shall see. also, think ysu is way too low. i think they'll be top 10 at some point. love preseason speculation

[reformedUNDfan]

no surprise but we have some holes to fill. i dont think we should be #1. shsu is in better shape than us. i believe they return 17 starters and most of their studs. in the CS poll Ill be putting SHSU 1. no idea about us but i dont think we'll be the same as last season. playoff team no doubt, but i guess we shall see. also, think ysu is way too low. i think they'll be top 10 at some point. love preseason speculation

shsu has significant coaching turnover i believe

[DjKyRo]

Ming has a point that the Bison do lose a few high-impact starters/rotation guys, but on the flipside, the bulk of our starters are going to be juniors and should be able to compensate for that. That plus the guys we have coming in should make for a dropoff not significant enough to shake NDSU from the #1 ranking befitting a team that was just so dominant last season.

It's partly how good we were last season mixed with a little anticipation of talent returning. That adds up to a #1 ranking, to me.

[ndsubison1]

Ming has a point that the Bison do lose a few high-impact starters/rotation guys, but on the flipside, the bulk of our starters are going to be juniors and should be able to compensate for that. That plus the guys we have coming in should make for a dropoff not significant enough to shake NDSU from the #1 ranking befitting a team that was just so dominant last season.

It's partly how good we were last season mixed with a little anticipation of talent returning. That adds up to a #1 ranking, to me.

agreed that we have plenty of talent coming back and it's arguable we're preseason 1. our defense could be even better. losing some big time seniors tho, holloway, cornick, richard spots are glaring holes. i just think shsu is in a little better shape than us with what they have back. i think they can be argued as #1 as well. i dont think we'll be as good as last season, but still pretty good.

[SlickVic]

Ags & cs polls are a joke, its posters on a message board voting, why is it even reported

Im gonna join and pimp bob morris #1 grambling #2 all hail eddie robinson da kid can still coach

[TransAmBison]

my vote

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Stony Brook Seawolves
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Youngstown State Penguins
5: Appalachian State Mountaineers
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Georgia Southern Eagles
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Cal Poly Mustangs
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Towson Tigers
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Indiana State Sycamores
14: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
15: Old Dominion Monarchs
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Montana Grizzlies
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: Wofford Terriers
23: Furman Paladins
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Stephen F. Austin LumberjacksNot even making the playoffs to #4? That's some funny stuff right there. Northern Iowa at #24 and they were in the playoffs.

[MNLonghorn10]

no surprise but we have some holes to fill. i dont think we should be #1. shsu is in better shape than us. i believe they return 17 starters and most of their studs. in the CS poll Ill be putting SHSU 1. no idea about us but i dont think we'll be the same as last season. playoff team no doubt, but i guess we shall see. also, think ysu is way too low. i think they'll be top 10 at some point. love preseason speculation

Ndsu should be number 1.

And to be granted access onto the cruiser , you will need to change your opinion..negative nancy.

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[MN_Moose]

Ags & cs polls are a joke, its posters on a message board voting, why is it even reported

Better than the coaches poll in my opinion. Coaches poll completed by SID is a load of krap.

[Tatanka]

Better than the coaches poll in my opinion. Coaches poll completed by SID is a load of krap.

There is truth in this statement. Lots of it.

[bisonboone11]

I vote and here is mine, so fire away. Real voting doesn't start until fall anyway. If you are wondering where Montana is, I left them off on purpose. That program is in shambles right now. But if any program can suck it up and go out and overcome all those negatives, it is Montana. They have App State, Liberty and the 'Yotes to start the year, no easy task. I think Poly or EWU will win the Sky this year.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Towson Tigers
6: Georgia Southern Eagles
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Alabama State Hornets
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Alabama A&M Bulldogs
20: Florida A&M Rattlers
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Georgetown Hoyas
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Southern Utah Thunderbirds
I don't know what to think about Montana. They are always competitive, and they could still end up winning the Big Sky, but losing your athletic director, head coach, 9 starters on defense, a few starters on offense, your starting QB, and backup QB all in one off-season has gotta make you worry.

As far as NDSU, I don't think there has been enough change to justify not having us as #1. SHSU could be tough too, but it seems like they have a more difficult schedule this year that could hurt them.

[BadlandsBison]

Is georgia southern or jmu bringing back any speed? If so, watch out Alabama

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[thebigund]

agreed that we have plenty of talent coming back and it's arguable we're preseason 1. our defense could be even better. losing some big time seniors tho, holloway, cornick, richard spots are glaring holes. i just think shsu is in a little better shape than us with what they have back. i think they can be argued as #1 as well. i dont think we'll be as good as last season, but still pretty good.
Replacing Evans will be a problem. Can't replace that type of football smarts and leadership.

[gotts]

I've got Montana too high, my poll was submitted pre-Jordan Johnson expulsion. UCA is probably too high as well.

Some of you are right, these polls mean nothing until about week 4 or 5 when things really start to shake out. Until then, it's pretty much a crapshoot based on what/where people read.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Northern Iowa Panthers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Appalachian State Mountaineers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Towson Tigers
13: Old Dominion Monarchs
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Indiana State Sycamores
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Wofford Terriers
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Cal Poly Mustangs
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Chattanooga Mocs

[Hambone]

Below is my poll - follows a little of my year end poll as I didn't do as much research as normal to complete. I did forget to put Indiana State in, but they would have been near the end. And yes, as of right now I do have UND in the poll. I think there is potential there, but I likely won't have a feel for where they will be until after Portland St/San Diego State (Portland State is actually a sleeper in my mind and could make some noise) and they do have a fairly difficult schedule sans the Mines game. I'm also very high on ODU, Stony Brook and Youngstown. These will be key teams in the championship race I believe. Teams I likely have too high include Montana, Delware, Furman, Chattanooga, and UND. There are likely some mistakes in here, but note that the whole look of this will likely change for the real pre-season poll at the start of the year.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Georgia Southern Eagles
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Old Dominion Monarchs
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Towson Tigers
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana Grizzlies
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Appalachian State Mountaineers
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Wofford Terriers
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Cal Poly Mustangs
17: James Madison Dukes
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Furman Paladins
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: North Dakota Fighting Sioux
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

[BisonNation11]

Replacing Evans will be a problem. Can't replace that type of football smarts and leadership.

With shut down corners, safeties that are everywhere, and a d-line that never quits bringing pressure, all the linebackers have to do is their job. Evans AND Wilson will be missed greatly, however, if you watch tape from last year, Grant Olson held his own when he saw the field. He will fill Evans' shoes just fine.

[aces1180]

Replacing Evans will be a problem. Can't replace that type of football smarts and leadership.

Folks said that the same thing about Joe Mays...Olson will do just fine.

[reformedUNDfan]

Not even making the playoffs to #4? That's some funny stuff right there. Northern Iowa at #24 and they were in the playoffs.

ysu was a very talented team last year, and probably the second best team left out. They got caught in the muddle of the pack, but they did beat the conferences #1 (ndsu) and #3 (ISU-r) teams, and lost to #2 and #4 by a combined 6 points. I think they have nearly the entire starting lineup back. They should be the prime challenger to NDSU this year.

UNI last i checked lost quite a few major contributors and face a suicidal schedule. I struggled ranking them at all, along with Montana.

[TransAmBison]

ysu was a very talented team last year, and probably the second best team left out. They got caught in the muddle of the pack, but they did beat the conferences #1 (ndsu) and #3 (ISU-r) teams, and lost to #2 and #4 by a combined 6 points. I think they have nearly the entire starting lineup back. They should be the prime challenger to NDSU this year.

UNI last i checked lost quite a few major contributors and face a suicidal schedule. I struggled ranking them at all, along with Montana.Still, #4 is ridiculous...imo.

[dragonsfan]

when does the D2 preseason polls come out, congrats to ndsu

[bisonaudit]

The very existence of preseason polls is the number one reason why the computers are better at this ranking business than people.

All these things do is bias people's opinions before anyone can reasonably say that they know anything.

[Twentysix]

yeah, why?

That is a perfectly fine preseason poll. People pretend they know what they are talking about. If anyone is dogging you with a vote like that before week 5 they are just a dickhead. 2c.

I would be willing to bet that not a single person on this board follows every teams recruiting, or even the top 40 teams recruiting for that matter.

They know alot about NDSU's, and maybe a thing or two about some other valley teams... thats where it ends.

P.S. I remember W&M being #3 on last years preseason poll. They didnt even sniff the playoffs (4-6).

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?84646-AGS-Preseason-Poll-2011

[reformedUNDfan]

Still, #4 is ridiculous...imo.

based on what, exactly?

ysu went 6-5 in the regular season with a reasonable loss to a top10 fbs team. In 2010, had ndsu played michigan state instead of kansas and gone 6-5 instead of 7-4 and not made the playoffs, would ndsu have started at #8 (or w/e) last year? No, they would have been more like #20, and that would not have reflected reality.

This is the pre-preseason poll, the preseason poll isn't for two months, and will likely change by then. For one thing i probably would have UCA much lower.

[TransAmBison]

based on what, exactly?

ysu went 6-5 in the regular season with a reasonable loss to a top10 fbs team. In 2010, had ndsu played michigan state instead of kansas and gone 6-5 instead of 7-4 and not made the playoffs, would ndsu have started at #8 (or w/e) last year? No, they would have been more like #20, and that would not have reflected reality.

This is the pre-preseason poll, the preseason poll isn't for two months, and will likely change by then. For one thing i probably would have UCA much lower.Base on reality. They didn't even make the playoffs. They had the perfect opportunity to win and make the playoffs and they pissed it down their legs. They put together a good game and took it to the Bison. What else did they do last year? Nothing. A #4 ranking is silly.

[reformedUNDfan]

Base on reality. They didn't even make the playoffs. They had the perfect opportunity to win and make the playoffs and they pissed it down their legs. They put together a good game and took it to the Bison. What else did they do last year? Nothing. A #4 ranking is silly.

:facepalm:

I think i've already covered why they both could be and should be highly ranked next year. There is nothing unreasonable about ranking a team that brings back nearly all it's starters from a team that went 4-4 in the countries best fcs conference last year.

As you will recall, another team nearly pissed it's season down it's leg at missouri state, but caught a break on an easier OOC scedule and sneaked into the playoffs due to a win over a weak upper division team. I believe they did fairly well the next year. I expect YSU to go from pretty good (4-4 mvfc) to really good (6-2 or 7-1). Until you can explain with real evidence from the coming season why it is unreasonable for ysu to win 2-3 more games next year, kindly fuck off. :)

[TransAmBison]

:facepalm:

I think i've already covered why they both could be and should be highly ranked next year. There is nothing unreasonable about ranking a team that brings back nearly all it's starters from a team that went 4-4 in the countries best fcs conference last year.

As you will recall, another team nearly pissed it's season down it's leg at missouri state, but caught a break on an easier OOC scedule and sneaked into the playoffs due to a win over a weak upper division team. I believe they did fairly well the next year. I expect YSU to go from pretty good (4-4 mvfc) to really good (6-2 or 7-1). Until you can explain with real evidence from the coming season why it is unreasonable for ysu to win 2-3 more games next year, kindly fuck off. :)
I'm so glad you covered it! :rofl: The best conference? Based off of what? Based off of us having the NC? Sorry, but that does not make us the best conference. I'm not saying we weren't, but you have not offered anything to say we were.

Also, you compared us from the year before with YSU. The year before we had beaten a Big 10 team to start the season. YSU did nothing except beat us...and we were beatable...and needed beating...if that makes sense.

As for the last part, it would really hurt/matter/make me feel bad if I cared. Oh yeah, better put in a :).

Dude...#4 for YSU is absolutely absurd. They could win a lot (which I doubt) and get up there, but they do not deserve that ranking right now. UND deserves it as much...because all they have is moral victories.

[bisonaudit]

Sagarin says that the Missouri Valley was the top conference last year. I won't pretend it's the final word but it is an objective source which I find more convincing than either a rofl or an f-off, no matter how gracefully phrased.

YSU finished the season @ #12 in his rankings, behind three other conference members, NDSU #1, UNI #4, Ill. St. #7.

[reformedUNDfan]

I'm so glad you covered it! :rofl: The best conference? Based off of what? Based off of us having the NC? Sorry, but that does not make us the best conference. I'm not saying we weren't, but you have not offered anything to say we were.

Also, you compared us from the year before with YSU. The year before we had beaten a Big 10 team to start the season. YSU did nothing except beat us...and we were beatable...and needed beating...if that makes sense.

As for the last part, it would really hurt/matter/make me feel bad if I cared. Oh yeah, better put in a :).

Dude...#4 for YSU is absolutely absurd. They could win a lot (which I doubt) and get up there, but they do not deserve that ranking right now. UND deserves it as much...because all they have is moral victories.playing michigan state is a little different than playing kansas. YSU might have been able to beat kansas. NDSU would have not beaten michigan state.

as far as best conference goes: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

finally kansas is in the big12, try to pay attention.

[TransAmBison]

playing michigan state is a little different than playing kansas. YSU might have been able to beat kansas. NDSU would have not beaten michigan state.

as far as best conference goes: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm

finally kansas is in the big12, try to pay attention.
You're post is so full of moral victory...

[bisonaudit]

You're post is so full of moral victory...

It's a preseason poll conducted by a fan site. Is there another type of victory to be had?

[NDSUBowler]

Wtf TAB, I usually like everything you post but you seem quite off-base here. Did Reformed maybe make it a 'stretch' by putting YSU at #4? Maybe...but you seem to be pretty mad that someone dare put them that high.

I don't think it is too far off base...I think they are likely going to end up a top 10 team this year...especially if they are returning most of their starters (I can neither confirm nor deny that).

He put them at #4, he gave his reasoning why he put them there, he will know short enough whether he was correct or not. In any case, I applaud him ranking teams where HE thinks they should go, not where the general consensus thinks they should go.

They are just his 'surprise' pick of the year.

I don't know what has you seemingly so fired up over this.

[EagleBison]

It's a preseason poll conducted by a fan site. Is there another type of victory to be had?

When you have seen official polls by coach's and AD's in the past with Grambling in the top 5, AGS looks a lot more realistic year after year.

[ndsubison1]

I'm so glad you covered it! :rofl: The best conference? Based off of what? Based off of us having the NC? Sorry, but that does not make us the best conference. I'm not saying we weren't, but you have not offered anything to say we were.

Also, you compared us from the year before with YSU. The year before we had beaten a Big 10 team to start the season. YSU did nothing except beat us...and we were beatable...and needed beating...if that makes sense.

As for the last part, it would really hurt/matter/make me feel bad if I cared. Oh yeah, better put in a :).

Dude...#4 for YSU is absolutely absurd. They could win a lot (which I doubt) and get up there, but they do not deserve that ranking right now. UND deserves it as much...because all they have is moral victories.

und deserves it as much? now that is absurd. ysu was a good team last year. they return around 20 starters. yes, they missed the playoffs but i see them making it next year. i think theyll end up in the top 10 at some point. top 5 maybe too high for preseason but im buying the guins this season

[thebigund]

Here are mine based not on what teams did last year but what they could do this year.

1: Sam Houston State Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Old Dominion Monarchs
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Georgia Southern Eagles
6: Towson Tigers
7: James Madison Dukes
8: North Dakota
9: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Appalachian State Mountaineers
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Illinois St. Red Birds
16: Maine Black Bears
17: Wofford Terriers
18: Cal Poly Mustangs
19: Montana Griz
20: Alabama State Hornets
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
25: Portland St. Vikings

[4mcruenomore]

Shouldn't UND be ranked #1 in your poll? I mean, they are going to dominate

[HandoEX]

I don't see anything wrong with YSU at #4. That is a top level team and they are easily a 2 or 3 loss team.

[thebigund]

Shouldn't UND be ranked #1 in your poll? I mean, they are going to dominate
Although they do have crazy speed, especially at center, they have some areas that are unproven. It's a very realistic prediction.

[KSBisonFan]

Although they do have crazy speed, especially at center, they have some areas that are unproven. It's a very realistic prediction.

You've had about as many avatars as Mussman has scholly offers......that's an area that's not so unproven.

[thebigund]

You've had about as many avatars as Mussman has scholly offers......that's an area that's not so unproven.
Shoulda stuck with Ditka. Cast a wide net and you may land a surprise or two.

[BisonNation11]

Shoulda stuck with Ditka. Cast a wide net and you may land a surprise or two.

Guaranteed to catch a whole lot of crap you wish you could throw back

[4mcruenomore]

Although they do have crazy speed, especially at center, they have some areas that are unproven. It's a very realistic prediction.

UND is totally going to prove they had a better transition by making the playoffs their very first year of eligibility, if not all the way.

[TransAmBison]

Wtf TAB, I usually like everything you post but you seem quite off-base here. Did Reformed maybe make it a 'stretch' by putting YSU at #4? Maybe...but you seem to be pretty mad that someone dare put them that high.

I don't think it is too far off base...I think they are likely going to end up a top 10 team this year...especially if they are returning most of their starters (I can neither confirm nor deny that).

He put them at #4, he gave his reasoning why he put them there, he will know short enough whether he was correct or not. In any case, I applaud him ranking teams where HE thinks they should go, not where the general consensus thinks they should go.

They are just his 'surprise' pick of the year.

I don't know what has you seemingly so fired up over this.He told me to eff off...gonna get a response. Besides, I still think a preseason pick of #4 is absolutely absurd. If he said this is what he thought it would end up, that is a different thing, but that preseason pick is silly, in my opinion. A lot of teams return lots of people, and they happened to return a bunch of players that found a way to not make the playoffs. It isn't like they are overloaded with talent that the conference cannot compete with. They played people close, but they lost enough. We got in two years ago because of who we beat ( a big 12 team...I'm paying attention now) and we had a good run. YSU didn't beat anybody but us. We have never matched up well with them. Take that win away and they had nothing for the season.

So, you can not agree with me if you want, that is ok. He expressed his opinion, I expressed mine, he told me to eff off, and I think his old Kelly green bled through a little. Oh yeah, better put in a :) to make it ok. :D

[BadlandsBison]

And all you imbeciles thought I was crazy when I said the ags polls only piss off Bison fans ;)

[thebigund]

UND is totally going to prove they had a better transition by making the playoffs their very first year of eligibility, if not all the way.
I know most people think you are being sarcastic but I know better

[reformedUNDfan]

He told me to eff off...gonna get a response. Besides, I still think a preseason pick of #4 is absolutely absurd. If he said this is what he thought it would end up, that is a different thing, but that preseason pick is silly, in my opinion.

I didn't know people could get so riled up by the word fuck on the interweb. I base my picks on how I expect their season to develop. YSU is good enough to win most of the games on their schedule, and I expect them to be in contention for a seed this year.

[4mcruenomore]

I know most people think you are being sarcastic but I know better
Oh yeah, you know me REAL well, people on this board don't know we are good buds in real life. Yes, UND will win it all this year, or atleast semi's.

[HandoEX]

Lindy's Top 25

Top 25 1. SHSU 2. NDSU 3. MONTANA ST 4. TOWSON 5. MONTANA 6. APP ST 7. GSU 8. ODU 9. EKU 10. WOFFORD 11. UNI 12. LEHIGH 13. JMU 14. BCC 15. ILL ST 16. SFA 17. UNH 18. MURRAY ST 19. HARVARD 20. YSU 21. DELAWARE 22. EWU 23. GRAMBLING ST 24. STONY BROOK 25. JACKSONVILLE ST

[TransAmBison]

I didn't know people could get so riled up by the word fuck on the interweb. I base my picks on how I expect their season to develop. YSU is good enough to win most of the games on their schedule, and I expect them to be in contention for a seed this year.Tell me to eff off and I will not be the most pleasant...and it doesn't help that I seem to be in a particularly foul mood today. Been staying up way too late recently working on projects...making TAB cranky maybe a little too opinionated.*










*#4 is still absurdly high. :D**
**I really mean :D this time. :D

[4mcruenomore]

IVY League shouldn't even be listed.

[SlickVic]

Reformed and thebigund = davek & darrel fools, why are you lettin em rick roll ya bisonville.
Get rid of them, I comes to read bison stuff, not them. Im out

[reformedUNDfan]

Reformed and thebigund = davek & darrel fools, why are you lettin em rick roll ya bisonville.
Get rid of them, I comes to read bison stuff, not them. Im out

:facepalm:

I would love to see anywhere where i've posted anything remotely pro-und around here. Unlike Darrell, I live in grand forks and actually have a degree from UND. I know how much this school sucks because i've seen it first hand.

[DjKyRo]

In reformedUNDfan's defense, I think the MVFC title will fall to either NDSU, YSU, or Illinois State (who is not getting nearly enough love). Matt Brown eats a bucket of nails every morning without any milk for breakfast and is also made of solid adamantium. He also breathes fire and will be out for blood this year after getting snubbed for the playoffs in 2011.

[gotts]

Lindy's Top 25

Top 25 1. SHSU 2. NDSU 3. MONTANA ST 4. TOWSON 5. MONTANA 6. APP ST 7. GSU 8. ODU 9. EKU 10. WOFFORD 11. UNI 12. LEHIGH 13. JMU 14. BCC 15. ILL ST 16. SFA 17. UNH 18. MURRAY ST 19. HARVARD 20. YSU 21. DELAWARE 22. EWU 23. GRAMBLING ST 24. STONY BROOK 25. JACKSONVILLE ST

Anyone care to compare this to the AGS poll?

[heffray]

agreed that we have plenty of talent coming back and it's arguable we're preseason 1. our defense could be even better. losing some big time seniors tho, holloway, cornick, richard spots are glaring holes. i just think shsu is in a little better shape than us with what they have back. i think they can be argued as #1 as well. i dont think we'll be as good as last season, but still pretty good.

reformedUNDfan nailed it, with their recent loss of some of their coaching staff, i would have to disagree with you. IF (big if) NDSU isn't number 1, I don't think SHSU automatically deserves it either.

[NDSU1980]

reformedUNDfan nailed it, with their recent loss of some of their coaching staff, i would have to disagree with you. IF (big if) NDSU isn't number 1, I don't think SHSU automatically deserves it either.Doesn't bother me being #2. Keeps the target a little off our backs. Only thing that counts is the position at the end.

I'm trying to figure out how und got 34th? How can you even get ranked playing D2 teams?

[Tatanka]

I'm trying to figure out how und got 34th? How can you even get ranked playing D2 teams?

http://fishnfinn.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/troll_bait__plug.jpg

Doesn't mean you're wrong... :rofl:

[KSBisonFan]

http://fishnfinn.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/troll_bait__plug.jpg

Doesn't mean you're wrong... :rofl:

Why is everything in Fishland black and white except for the banana with a brown scarf and hooks hanging off it?

[TAILG8R]

Why is everything in Fishland black and white except for the banana with a brown scarf and hooks hanging off it?

That's not a banana :(

[thebigund]

Oh yeah, you know me REAL well, people on this board don't know we are good buds in real life. Yes, UND will win it all this year, or atleast semi's.
Once again with the pretend sarcasm. I know what you meant... again.

[thebigund]

Reformed and thebigund = davek & darrel fools, why are you lettin em rick roll ya bisonville.
Get rid of them, I comes to read bison stuff, not them. Im out
Easy with the presumptions. Davek is a troll on his own teams site. And Darrel is full of shit half the time and doesn't know it. I know what I'm talking about, just ask 4mcure. Like he said, we a good buds in real life.

[4mcruenomore]

Once again with the pretend sarcasm. I know what you meant... again.

We should hang out, maybe CalPoly game? When do our season tickets get mailed out, pretty stoked about them this year!

[CalBison97]

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/image.php?u=3783&dateline=1298744921

Worst avatar EVER! Dude might as well be holding a bald eagle in the other hand.


Better than the coaches poll in my opinion. Coaches poll completed by SID is a load of krap.

[ndsubison1]

In reformedUNDfan's defense, I think the MVFC title will fall to either NDSU, YSU, or Illinois State (who is not getting nearly enough love). Matt Brown eats a bucket of nails every morning without any milk for breakfast and is also made of solid adamantium. He also breathes fire and will be out for blood this year after getting snubbed for the playoffs in 2011.

i think it will be just between us and ysu. uni would obv but they just have too tough of a schedule. and youve been high on illinois st. like every year. maybe this is the year? ;)

[DjKyRo]

i think it will be just between us and ysu. uni would obv but they just have too tough of a schedule. and youve been high on illinois st. like every year. maybe this is the year? ;)

I feel my highness on ISU last year was justified, and they should have made the playoffs. I have a feeling they'll be even better this year. Just you wait.

[Tatanka]

UNIs only prayer is to win the conference... Wouldn't count them out just yet.

[Professor Chaos]

i think it will be just between us and ysu. uni would obv but they just have too tough of a schedule. and youve been high on illinois st. like every year. maybe this is the year? ;)
UNI's OOC schedule is tough but, if anything, their inter-conference schedule is easier than ours. They're not playing Indiana St and we're not playing Western Illinois. They've got as good a chance to win the conference as anyone IMO.

[tcbison]

UNIs only prayer is to win the conference... Wouldn't count them out just yet.

That is the camp I am in as well. They will likely lose to Iowa and Wisconsin and then have their backs against the wall when they play YSU and NDSU. If they win those games they would be in pretty decent shape.

[ndsubison1]

UNI's OOC schedule is tough but, if anything, their inter-conference schedule is easier than ours. They're not playing Indiana St and we're not playing Western Illinois. They've got as good a chance to win the conference as anyone IMO.

start out the year with ysu and ndsu tho. they lose both of those theyre toast

[TransAmBison]

start out the year with ysu and ndsu tho. they lose both of those theyre toast
I wonder, when was the last time UNI lost to YSU?

[Mr. Burgundy]

start out the year with ysu and ndsu tho. they lose both of those theyre toast

Usually they fold in the playoffs not the end of the year. Farley may lose this team early. It will be like looking at the fat girl with the thong sticking out. It isn't good, but for some reason keep looking.

[Bison03]

UNI's OOC schedule is tough but, if anything, their inter-conference schedule is easier than ours. They're not playing Indiana St and we're not playing Western Illinois. They've got as good a chance to win the conference as anyone IMO.

UNI's schedule begins with Wisconsin, Central State University, and Iowa. They will lose to Wisconsin and Iowa and Central St. is DII non-counter. So their season really begins week 4. They will need to go 7-1 in those remaining games to even be considered in making the playoffs. The fact that they play Youngstown and NDSU in weeks 4 and 5 mean that if they lose either one of those they would have to run the table. Losing both those games, which is very likely, means they start the season 1-4 and are already eliminated from any chance at making the playoffs. Some wonder why Gene doesn't want to schedule 2 FBS schools or non-DI schools; this is why.

[heffray]

:facepalm:

I would love to see anywhere where i've posted anything remotely pro-und around here. Unlike Darrell, I live in grand forks and actually have a degree from UND. I know how much this school sucks because i've seen it first hand.

This is the BEST thing I have ever seen typed by a person who went to UND. Going on my sig-line...

Thank you. Thank you very much. Let's be friends.

[heffray]

... Back on topic...

I was thinking about this, and I think you can make the same argument about NDSU's loss of coaching with Hazeltine as with SHSU's. I know we are all pretty confident in the replacement, and the fact that SHSU lost a few more people than just one guy. But since Hazeltine has left I've been very worried. I know we have talent, but, it's just not easy to replace a leader like that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, whether we or SHSU deserve #1 right now or not, it'll be difficult to get back on top in the end. Even WITH everyone on our coaching staff and team returning.

[Professor Chaos]

start out the year with ysu and ndsu tho. they lose both of those theyre toast


UNI's schedule begins with Wisconsin, Central State University, and Iowa. They will lose to Wisconsin and Iowa and Central St. is DII non-counter. So their season really begins week 4. They will need to go 7-1 in those remaining games to even be considered in making the playoffs. The fact that they play Youngstown and NDSU in weeks 4 and 5 mean that if they lose either one of those they would have to run the table. Losing both those games, which is very likely, means they start the season 1-4 and are already eliminated from any chance at making the playoffs. Some wonder why Gene doesn't want to schedule 2 FBS schools or non-DI schools; this is why.
In the context of being a playoff contender you're both correct that UNI's path is the most difficult in the conference. In terms of being in line for the autobid NDSU, UNI, and YSU are all pretty equal since all 3 play each other in consecutive games between weeks 4 and 6 (YSU has a bye separating games vs UNI and at NDSU).

I don't believe in the theory that playing FBS games causes more injuries but it could bruise the collective psyche of UNI heading into the early conference gauntlet but I get the feeling they'll be ready to go 9/29. The Bison busted a lot of streaks last year but they've still never beaten UNI on the road in the D1 era. Again, UNI is the last conference team in that group.

[Bison03]

You may be onto something with the autobid. With a strong top half of the conference, it is likely that teams like NDSU, Youngstown, Indiana St., and even So. Illinois all beat up on each other and putting head to head games as the tiebreaker. That being said, I would rather be 8-2 going into the last game of the year knowing a payoff spot is secured then have a 5-4 DI record and needing a win and maybe help to secure an autobid via conference title.

[CaBisonFan]

In the context of being a playoff contender you're both correct that UNI's path is the most difficult in the conference. In terms of being in line for the autobid NDSU, UNI, and YSU are all pretty equal since all 3 play each other in consecutive games between weeks 4 and 6 (YSU has a bye separating games vs UNI and at NDSU).

I don't believe in the theory that playing FBS games causes more injuries but it could bruise the collective psyche of UNI heading into the early conference gauntlet but I get the feeling they'll be ready to go 9/29. The Bison busted a lot of streaks last year but they've still never beaten UNI on the road in the D1 era. Again, UNI is the last conference team in that group.

Not arguing with anything...just wanna add this:

UNI has a huge streak to break. They have three eras where we've won national titles, and they haven't.

The old NCC days...the time that we were in separate divisions...and now.

[IzzyFlexion]

Not arguing with anything...just wanna add this:

UNI has a huge streak to break. They have three eras where we've won national titles, and they haven't.

The old NCC days...the time that we were in separate divisions...and now.

I like this post. I like it a lot. I want to have sexy time with this post. Well done, Ca.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GXHMppAZBuA/TI8HeO7T2vI/AAAAAAAAABs/HGkzE_8w1lU/s1600/salt-Wound.jpg

[BisonNation11]

I like this post. I like it a lot. I want to have sexy time with this post. Well done, Ca.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GXHMppAZBuA/TI8HeO7T2vI/AAAAAAAAABs/HGkzE_8w1lU/s1600/salt-Wound.jpg

How the hell did you get a picture of my leg from tonight??? The dirt from the diamond hurt enough, I can't imagine what it must feel like to never have won a national championship

[BisonNeil]

... Back on topic...

I was thinking about this, and I think you can make the same argument about NDSU's loss of coaching with Hazeltine as with SHSU's. I know we are all pretty confident in the replacement, and the fact that SHSU lost a few more people than just one guy. But since Hazeltine has left I've been very worried. I know we have talent, but, it's just not easy to replace a leader like that.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, whether we or SHSU deserve #1 right now or not, it'll be difficult to get back on top in the end. Even WITH everyone on our coaching staff and team returning.

How could we have lost a Hazeltine when we have never had a Hazeltine on staff?

Sorry, but this is a huge pet peeve of mine; fans who aren't fans enough to know how to spell (or get even remotely close in some cases) the names of players or coaches.

Hazelton...consider yourself corrected :D

[Gully]

How could we have lost a Hazeltine when we have never had a Hazeltine on staff?

Sorry, but this is a huge pet peeve of mine; fans who aren't fans enough to know how to spell (or get even remotely close in some cases) the names of players or coaches.

Hazelton...consider yourself corrected :D

I agrea Bizen Neel. Their isnt and xcuse fer speling mistackes.

[BisoninNWMN]

The defending NC should be #1 until they lose.

Klieman will do just fine as our DC. '12 defense could be scary good this year.

[bisonaudit]

The defending NC should be #1 until they lose.

Klieman will do just fine as our DC. '12 defense could be scary good this year.

What if they graduated 20 starters and the runner-up only graduated 2?

[BisonNation11]

What if they graduated 20 starters and the runner-up only graduated 2?

If it's the Bison, still number 1! :biggrin:

[TransAmBison]

What if they graduated 20 starters and the runner-up only graduated 2?Please find me a NC that graduated 20 starters.

[EagleBison]

Please find me a NC that graduated 20 starters.

Graduated, probably not, expired eligibility, still probably not, but more likely.

[BisoninNWMN]

What if they graduated 20 starters and the runner-up only graduated 2?


Big deal.

The defending NC earned the #1 ranking for the start of the next season.

[thebigund]

We should hang out, maybe CalPoly game? When do our season tickets get mailed out, pretty stoked about them this year!
Are you suggesting that we chill bro?

http://youtu.be/3zvTRQr7ns8

[bisonaudit]

Please find me a NC that graduated 20 starters.

I'm just trying to make the point that preseason polls are meaningless and appling silly rules like "The defending champion s/b #1 until they lose" only makes it more obvious that preseason polls are meaningless. What if Montana had won last year instead of NDSU?

[TransAmBison]

I'm just trying to make the point that preseason polls are meaningless and appling silly rules like "The defending champion s/b #1 until they lose" only makes it more obvious that preseason polls are meaningless. What if Montana had won last year instead of NDSU?Lots of what ifs. As it stands, NDSU won the NC. We were the last team to win a game...makes sense that we would be #1 until somebody can beat us.

[ndsubison1]

The defending NC should be #1 until they lose.

Klieman will do just fine as our DC. '12 defense could be scary good this year.

disagree. the team that has a fair amount of starters returning and was a top team before should be number 1. hey that sounds like us :). also shsu has a good case which i already stated.

[BisoninNWMN]

disagree. the team that has a fair amount of starters returning and was a top team before should be number 1. hey that sounds like us :). also shsu has a good case which i already stated.


Agree to disagree.

Champs are #1 to start the next season until they lose, IMO.

[ndsubison1]

well the preseason favorite should be the team expected to win it all. not every defending champ is expected to win it all the next season

[reformedUNDfan]

Agree to disagree.

Champs are #1 to start the next season until they lose, IMO.

and i got shit for putting YSU at #4:facepalm:

[NorthernBison]

and i got shit for putting YSU at #4:facepalm:

You should have had them #2. They were the only team to beat the Champs. Basically the same theory.

[BlueBisonRock]

and i got shit for putting YSU at #4:facepalm:

Still touting YSU at #4? I can't understand your rational and just don't get it... I have them at #5.

[BisoninNWMN]

and i got shit for putting YSU at #4:facepalm:


YSU is going to be tough as nails. Their offense is going to probably be better than last year. The defense will be the "weak link" if they have one. IMO, they are a top 10 team this coming year.

[TransAmBison]

and i got shit for putting YSU at #4:facepalm:YOu have a problem with the champs starting off at #1 until they lose? This must be some UND brainwashing. :D j/k...had to

[Herd]

Agree to disagree.

Champs are #1 to start the next season until they lose, IMO.

Your flawed logic had EWU ranked #1 at this time a year ago, and they were not even a playoff team. The champs deserve the trophy the year that they win,but they dont deserve anything unless they earn it the next year. EWash didnt deserve it, but maybe the Bison do. Either way, it has nothing to do with last year.

[DjKyRo]

I think ascribing last season's champion as the preseason #1 automatically isn't a good formula - that's like saying one expects every champion to repeat, which is obviously pretty hard to do. However, in the last three cases (at least) of having a preseason #1 as last year's champion, it's been hard to top them. Villanova returned Matt Szczur (the guy who basically did everything for their offense) and looked sharp after their 2009 title and squeaked into the playoffs before getting knocked out. Eastern Washington returned their star QB-WR combo and a few guys on defense and their quarterback still won the Payton award despite missing the playoffs. The Bison return a ton of talent and a bunch of our best guys are just juniors. It's certainly easier to submit a returning champion in the #1 spot if they give one cause to do so, and the whole championship thing certainly gives a little room for benefit of the doubt, but to automatically say the best team last year is the best team this year is a little unreliable, I think.

[TransAmBison]

The preseason poll is where everybody is expected to end up. It is where the teams are at the beginning of the season. That is why the champ is still #1, and why I could not see a team that didn't even make the playoffs (YSU) be #4.

[BisoninNWMN]

Your flawed logic had EWU ranked #1 at this time a year ago, and they were not even a playoff team. The champs deserve the trophy the year that they win,but they dont deserve anything unless they earn it the next year. EWash didnt deserve it, but maybe the Bison do. Either way, it has nothing to do with last year.


Call it what you want but EWU did deserve to start last season #1. They were not the #1 team throughout the season because they lost multiple games and didn't make the playoffs. I'm saying to start the next season the defending NC deserves the #1 spot. If they truely are the #1 then they will prove it. The Bison deserve the #1 spot to start the season.

You disagree....fine.

[NorthernBison]

This is a great example of how meaningless polls are. Application of stupid, meaningless, and downright foolish unwritten rules makes the results worthless.

Let's understand what the argument is about.

Positions 2 through whatever should be based on the voters analysis of the results of the previous season tempered with an unbiased estimate of how such things as graduation losses, transfers, etc. might impact thise season's performance.

Position #1 is an honorary spot reserved for the previous Champion, UNTIL THEY LOSE A GAME. Yeah, that makes sense. :facepalm:

[missingnumber7]

This is a great example of how meaningless polls are. Application of stupid, meaningless, and downright foolish unwritten rules makes the results worthless.

Let's understand what the argument is about.

Positions 2 through whatever should be based on the voters analysis of the results of the previous season tempered with an unbiased estimate of how such things as graduation losses, transfers, etc. might impact thise season's performance.

Position #1 is an honorary spot reserved for the previous Champion, UNTIL THEY LOSE A GAME. Yeah, that makes sense. :facepalm:I think there is an obvious exception to the #1 Position rule and that is a team that is built for a one year run or a senior dominated team. If you lose 12 or so starters you are probably not going to have a team to make a run the next season. But in the end this is what makes the NCAA postseason a colloassal joke, it is based on polls and opinions of people who watch the games and not 100% decided by the players that play the games. Why else to they keep adding teams to tournaments, to acknowledge the mistakes of decisions past.

[bisonaudit]

Why else to they keep adding teams to tournaments, to acknowledge the mistakes of decisions past.

The NCAA doesn't acknowledge mistakes. They expand playoffs to lose less money, make more money, and/or keep member conferences happy.

[BadlandsBison]

More money is the NCAAs favorite reason for more tournament teams. Soon, tournaments will let in every team.

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[NorthernBison]

I think there is an obvious exception to the #1 Position rule and that is a team that is built for a one year run or a senior dominated team. If you lose 12 or so starters you are probably not going to have a team to make a run the next season. But in the end this is what makes the NCAA postseason a colloassal joke, it is based on polls and opinions of people who watch the games and not 100% decided by the players that play the games. Why else to they keep adding teams to tournaments, to acknowledge the mistakes of decisions past.

What? An exception? Where will it end?

How about if Montana wins it all and then goes back to their old scheduling model with 3 home cupcakes to start the season and only one or two legit challengers during the conference season? Leave them #1 until they lose or actually look at what they are doing on the field?

I'd rank NDSU #1 right now but the Title from last season is a TINY part of it. We have a lot coming back but we play in a tough league. That makes home field less of a certainty. Sam Houston has even more of their roster back and should have an easier run at a high seed. An unbiased observer might rank them #1 for that reason (FYI, I have no idea what their OOC schedule is like).

[KSBisonFan]

What? An exception? Where will it end?

How about if Montana wins it all and then goes back to their old scheduling model with 3 home cupcakes to start the season and only one or two legit challengers during the conference season? Leave them #1 until they lose or actually look at what they are doing on the field?

I'd rank NDSU #1 right now but the Title from last season is a TINY part of it. We have a lot coming back but we play in a tough league. That makes home field less of a certainty. Sam Houston has even more of their roster back and should have an easier run at a high seed. An unbiased observer might rank them #1 for that reason (FYI, I have no idea what their OOC schedule is like).

Incarnate Word, Baylor and Texas Southern......Yes, Incarnate Word is a school with a football team (Lone Star Conference which I believe is DII)

[tony]

http://www.bisonville.com/fanguide/playoffs.html

Being in the championship game one year is actually a pretty good predictor of being in the championship game the next year.

34 years of the playoffs, 15 years one of the teams in the championship game was in the next year's championship game.

I'm not making an argument on either side of the "Champ should be ranked #1 until they lose" argument though, but, seriously, did anybody really think EWU shouldn't have been ranked #1 last year? If not, why?

[missingnumber7]

The NCAA doesn't acknowledge mistakes. They expand playoffs to lose less money, make more money, and/or keep The CAA happy.Fixed it for ya.

[Professor Chaos]

What? An exception? Where will it end?

How about if Montana wins it all and then goes back to their old scheduling model with 3 home cupcakes to start the season and only one or two legit challengers during the conference season? Leave them #1 until they lose or actually look at what they are doing on the field?

I'd rank NDSU #1 right now but the Title from last season is a TINY part of it. We have a lot coming back but we play in a tough league. That makes home field less of a certainty. Sam Houston has even more of their roster back and should have an easier run at a high seed. An unbiased observer might rank them #1 for that reason (FYI, I have no idea what their OOC schedule is like).


Incarnate Word, Baylor and Texas Southern......Yes, Incarnate Word is a school with a football team (Lone Star Conference which I believe is DII)
They also have a little school called Texas A&M on their OOC schedule this year.

[KSBisonFan]

They also have a little school called Texas A&M on their OOC schedule this year.

You are correct....my bad. It's the last game on their schedule and I didn't look that far down. Kinda odd to have that game at the end of the year.

[BisonNation11]

You are correct....my bad. It's the last game on their schedule and I didn't look that far down. Kinda odd to have that game at the end of the year.

They also only have 3 home games this year. I'm sure they don't quite have the traveling fan base that NDSU has, so they could have a long season on the road this year with little support.

[NorthernBison]

They also have a little school called Texas A&M on their OOC schedule this year.

With that OOC schedule and the DII game, their chances of getting seeded are slim. I'd say it greatly diminishes their chances of getting back to Frisco.

As for Tony's question, there is no way I would have ranked EWU #1 in the 2011 pre-season poll. Their schedule was brutal with only a few home games, their Championship Season was a result of getting EVERY BREAK possible (luck isn't repeatable), their star running back graduated, and they clearly weren't the #1 contender in the Big Sky so ranking them #1 Nationally wouldn't make sense to me.

[missingnumber7]

With that OOC schedule and the DII game, their chances of getting seeded are slim. I'd say it greatly diminishes their chances of getting back to Frisco.

As for Tony's question, there is no way I would have ranked EWU #1 in the 2011 pre-season poll. Their schedule was brutal with only a few home games, their Championship Season was a result of getting EVERY BREAK possible (luck isn't repeatable), their star running back graduated, and they clearly weren't the #1 contender in the Big Sky so ranking them #1 Nationally wouldn't make sense to me.So you're saying you would've been one guy who would've voted elsewhere, thus your perogative as a voter. Thus the complaints that are made in FBS that there should be no polls before week 5. An initial poll gives teams with reputations an easier position in life because of a predetermined place. AKA, you only drop so far after a loss, and victories over ranked teams are worth so much. Thus starting highly ranked and losing early and not losing again vs not starting ranked, and loosing late to a smiliar or same team may effect 2 teams completely different. Again...it is people who have never, or at least haven't in a long time played the game deterimneing the status for theise teams. And it does effect FCS to a certain point as well. Yes players decide outcomes, but when you rank those from the outside there is really only 1 way to control your own destiny...and that is to go undefeated. Think about how different the NFL playoffs would look if it were voted or done similarly to the FCS. Teams were worse records who were playing better at the end of the season would or could make the playoffs.

[Professor Chaos]

So you're saying you would've been one guy who would've voted elsewhere, thus your perogative as a voter. Thus the complaints that are made in FBS that there should be no polls before week 5. An initial poll gives teams with reputations an easier position in life because of a predetermined place. AKA, you only drop so far after a loss, and victories over ranked teams are worth so much. Thus starting highly ranked and losing early and not losing again vs not starting ranked, and loosing late to a smiliar or same team may effect 2 teams completely different. Again...it is people who have never, or at least haven't in a long time played the game deterimneing the status for theise teams. And it does effect FCS to a certain point as well. Yes players decide outcomes, but when you rank those from the outside there is really only 1 way to control your own destiny...and that is to go undefeated. Think about how different the NFL playoffs would look if it were voted or done similarly to the FCS. Teams were worse records who were playing better at the end of the season would or could make the playoffs.
Regardless of when human polls are started there will be preconcieved notions about teams. Things sort themselves out by the end of the season. Last year Sam Houston went from not recieving a single vote in Week 1 to be the top ranked team in the country by week 11. As long as you have voters who take things seriously they will give teams their due in a week 5 poll regardless of whether they had a team unranked in their preseason poll or if one of their higher ranked teams in the preseason polls have really dropped.

For instance, a lot of AGS voters think pretty highly of UNI at the start of the year. Say after week 5 UNI is 3-2 with wins against Iowa and Youngstown and losses to Wisconsin and NDSU. I gaurantee they'll be a top 10 ranked team, the highest ranked 2 loss team in the country, and ranked in front of some unbeaten teams regardless of whether that was the first poll of the season or if the votes had been going on since week 1. I just don't think there's a magic number of weeks you can start human polls after and expect them not to be affected by the individual perceptions of the voters.

[ndsubison1]

The preseason poll is where everybody is expected to end up. It is where the teams are at the beginning of the season. That is why the champ is still #1, and why I could not see a team that didn't even make the playoffs (YSU) be #4.

so every champ is expected to end up #1 the next season? how many back to back champs have we seen? not many

[TransAmBison]

so every champ is expected to end up #1 the next season? how many back to back champs have we seen? not manyOops...I meant to say...The preseason poll is NOT where everybody is expected to end up...it is where the teams are at the beginning of the season. Hopefully that makes more sense. :facepalm:

[BisoninNWMN]

]so every champ is expected to end up #1 the next season[/B]? how many back to back champs have we seen? not many



It is a good starting point for the start of the next season.

IMO, EWU deserved to start the last season #1. They obviously were not the #1 team throughout the season because of their losses. The #1 team will prove themselves by the end of the season.

If everyone on here agreed with everything and everyone at all times it would get alittle boring on here.....

[TransAmBison]

It is a good starting point for the start of the next season.

IMO, EWU deserved to start the last season #1. They obviously were not the #1 team throughout the season because of their losses. The #1 team will prove themselves by the end of the season.

If everyone on here agreed with everything and everyone at all times it would get alittle boring on here.....I disagree.














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[NorthernBison]

Oops...I meant to say...The preseason poll is NOT where everybody is expected to end up...it is where the teams are at the beginning of the season. Hopefully that makes more sense. :facepalm:

I already figured out that was what you meant. I agree with your statement.

I disagree with the ridiculous notion that the previous National Champion has somehow EARNED the #1 spot to start the next season. EVERY OTHER SPOT IN THE POLL is analyzed. Every roster changed at the end of the previous season with Seniors leaving. Every team signed recruits in February. Every team has had an opportunity to pick up transfers and there will be walk ons in the Fall.

As I said before, I would not have voted EWU #1 to start 2011. They lost their leading ground gainer and, more importantly, I didn't believe they were the best team in the country when they won the title in 2010. They were extremely lucky and luck doesn't last.

I would vote NDSU #1 now because of what happened to the roster. We lost some talented players but return a team that is relatively intact from the title run. I have concerns about losing our D Coordinator. I have some concern about the WR position (especially healthwise). Our offensive philosophy is a "good news/bad news" proposition. We don't blow out many teams because of the conservatism we show on offense. That leaves us vulnerable to a few mistakes and bad bounces (see YSU game). On the other hand, we don't make a lot of mistakes and return our QB, backup QB, and leading ground gainer.

[Herd]

Call it what you want but EWU did deserve to start last season #1. They were not the #1 team throughout the season because they lost multiple games and didn't make the playoffs. I'm saying to start the next season the defending NC deserves the #1 spot. If they truely are the #1 then they will prove it. The Bison deserve the #1 spot to start the season.

You disagree....fine.

College football has a little thing called 'Graduation', therefore last year's Bison team no longer exists. If you think the 2012 team deserves to be #1, then vote them as such. But the 2012 team does not deserve to be #1 because of the 2011 team won the championship! Major flawed logic, any way you slice it.

[TransAmBison]

College football has a little thing called 'Graduation', therefore last year's Bison team no longer exists. If you think the 2012 team deserves to be #1, then vote them as such. But the 2012 team does not deserve to be #1 because of the 2011 team won the championship! Major flawed logic, any way you slice it.Yet that is the way it is generally done...

[ndsubison1]

In fcs yes but not fbs or college basketball. I guess theres a little more an unknown factor in fcs

[TransAmBison]

In fcs yes but not fbs or college basketball. I guess theres a little more an unknown factor in fcsAgreed.....

[BisoninNWMN]

College football has a little thing called 'Graduation', therefore last year's Bison team no longer exists. If you think the 2012 team deserves to be #1, then vote them as such. But the 2012 team does not deserve to be #1 because of the 2011 team won the championship! Major flawed logic, any way you slice it.


Call it anyway you want, IMO it is a good starting point for the beginning of the season.

That is why there is more than 1 voter in every poll.....differing opinions.