recruiting ND

[westnodak93bison]

What is your take on how the staff has recruited ND? IMHO, they have failed. Bohl makes a point in visiting every high school and gets pretty much any ND kid he wants. Everybody knows he recruits ND. IMHO the BB staff missed on Qvale(6' 11" with successful career at MT and nice NCAA tourney), Dufalt(6' 9" F started multiple years at CO and member of 2012 PAC12 Tourney Champion), Hanstad(at Boise- time will tell), Luke Martinez(6' 4" shooting G, most of you will say who? Bismarck kid who started at WY and led them in scoring most of the year.....kind of a crafty player). Flame away.

[Tatanka]

Did these players have offers from NDSU? I would suspect so... also comparing football to bball here doesn't exactly hold water. It's not as if NDSU has a great story to tell in facilities, prestige, success, history in bball like they do in football. Just throwing that out there.

[NDSUstudent]

NDSU recruited some of these kids very hard. Not sure I get the point of this thread, DI hoops isn't the FCS and we aren't losing out on these players due to a lack of effort.

[EndZoneQB]

Did these players have offers from NDSU? I would suspect so... also comparing football to bball here doesn't exactly hold water. It's not as if NDSU has a great story to tell in facilities, prestige, success, history in bball like they do in football. Just throwing that out there.

I would assume most ND kids don't grow up dreaming to play basketball at NDSU(in comparison to football). No offense to the school or anything, it's just the way it is unfortunately. If they start a tradition now, it'll take a generation or two to grow it...

[BadlandsBison]

I would assume most ND kids don't grow up dreaming to play basketball at NDSU(in comparison to football). No offense to the school or anything, it's just the way it is unfortunately. If they start a tradition now, it'll take a generation or two to grow it...

Do Minnesota kids grow up wanting to play for the Gophers or Duke? From your prospective

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[EndZoneQB]

Do Minnesota kids grow up wanting to play for the Gophers or Duke? From your prospective

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I'd say it's "both". You dream of the Gophers because you feel like that is much more attainable, but you also know what your answer is if Duke calls haha.

[DIBISON]

All of those recruits are from western ND, not close to Fargo. They did not go to NDSU, SDSU or the school up north. Depends what AJ Jacobson from Fargo Shanley does, he has visited Creighton, Northern Iowa, and has an offer from NDSU.

[tjbison]

Would any of these local kids be exempt from the rubes on here??

If you can say no then I guess we missed out

Sorry just saying

[tony]

NDSU recruited Qvale, Hanstead, and Dufault very, very hard.

BTW, Miles was still coach when Qvale and Dufault were being recruited (if that makes a difference.)

http://bismarcktribune.com/sports/college/article_2eb18bea-ed4e-11df-a8ee-001cc4c03286.html

From the Bismarck Tribune article above:


Hanstad had several big schools going after him, such as Gonzaga, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Colorado State, Montana State, Wisconsin and Minnesota.

First-year coach Leon Rice of Boise State, who had served on the Gonzaga staff, went after Hanstad when he came to the Broncos.

"He offered me a scholarship," said Hanstad, who is undecided on a major. "I checked it out and liked it a lot. I liked the campus, the area and the facilities."


Fix the BSA because this is what Boise State's arena looks like:

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics14/400/GN/GNSMYRUVFKRXNRM.20080204174622.jpg

[westnodak93bison]

I'm not saying they didn't recruit them hard I'm stating the obvious. The staff failed to close the deal on several ND kids and that must change. I'm kind of excited to see Werner the next few years. Not because he is from ND but he has legit potential which played out in AAU ball from what I'm told. I hope the focus on ND gets ramped up even more and I hope we protect our home turf. Same goes for NW MN.

[EndZoneQB]

I'm not saying they didn't recruit them hard I'm stating the obvious. The staff failed to close the deal on several ND kids and that must change. I'm kind of excited to see Werner the next few years. Not because he is from ND but he has legit potential which played out in AAU ball from what I'm told. I hope the focus on ND gets ramped up even more and I hope we protect our home turf. Same goes for NW MN.

C'mon man. We all know it's not that easy with basketball. No tradition....

[4mcruenomore]

Hanstad's dad hates NDSU, wasn't ever going to happen. I agree, our ND recruiting sucks, just offering a scholarship doesn't cut it. Show someone you actually want them.

[BadlandsBison]

I'd say it's "both". You dream of the Gophers because you feel like that is much more attainable, but you also know what your answer is if Duke calls haha.

I know, it was a tough decision when I turned down Duke haha

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[BadlandsBison]

Btw, this is a good place to congratulate Austin Dufault and the buffs on winning the Pac12

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[Mr. Burgundy]

Hanstad's dad hates NDSU, wasn't ever going to happen. I agree, our ND recruiting sucks, just offering a scholarship doesn't cut it. Show someone you actually want them.

Yep, they mailed the kid the scholarship offer and asked him to get back to them. That was it. Pretty easy. Geez. The kids mentioned went to a proven winner at Montana, he ends up having a great career and getting to the dance multiple times, was what like....7 hours from Fargo? Not exactly local to NDSU. Then you have a kid who starts for Colorado and is going to the big dance with them this year, and another Freshman at Boise who didn't have any interest in NDSU and his Dad made that pretty clear.

I can tell you that the Qvale/Dufault cases went down to the wire and about killed our staff on losing out. Lets hope we can get Jacobson from Shanley. If will depend on what happens in April with alot of coaches seeing him play. As of right now, we are in good shape. Anything can happen though. It isn't like we are losing the ND kids to lesser programs.

[4mcruenomore]

Yep, they mailed the kid the scholarship offer and asked him to get back to them. That was it. Pretty easy. Geez. The kids mentioned went to a proven winner at Montana, he ends up having a great career and getting to the dance multiple times, was what like....7 hours from Fargo? Not exactly local to NDSU. Then you have a kid who starts for Colorado and is going to the big dance with them this year, and another Freshman at Boise who didn't have any interest in NDSU and his Dad made that pretty clear.

I can tell you that the Qvale/Dufault cases went down to the wire and about killed our staff on losing out. Lets hope we can get Jacobson from Shanley. If will depend on what happens in April with alot of coaches seeing him play. As of right now, we are in good shape. Anything can happen though. It isn't like we are losing the ND kids to lesser programs.

As a matter of fact, I do know someone who got a letter in the mail and that was it, so it does happen. It isn't exactly comparable to coach Bohl having dinner in NE at coach Schatz's when he probably wasn't even interested in a single player. He did it for the state of ND imo and because he cares.

[Mr. Burgundy]

So you are telling me that our basketball staff sent a full ride scholarship offer (via letter) to a kid but never did another thing. OK. Keep believing that. Keep spreading false info. Or was this maybe a kid that averaged 8 points a game as a Freshman so he got a letter (that hundreds of kids get) and that was it. Recap: The kids we have lost in the state of ND we have went all in on. The kids ultimately chose larger/better programs/conferences/facilities. We also just got the best player in the state in Dexter Werner and are the only school to have offered AJ Jacobson who is the best junior in the state. Just trying to keep the facts the facts.

[4mcruenomore]

The fact is she got a canned letter from our women's bb coach and she is one of the best female hs players in the state, not even a phone call.

[Mr. Burgundy]

The fact is she got a canned letter from our women's bb coach and she is one of the best femal hs players in the state, not even a phone call.

I am glad I called you out on your non truth then. We are in the men's basketball forum and I know for a fact that what you posted was not correct. Sorry to bring the truth into this. Big difference between getting a canned letter (which all schools mail) and a full ride scholarship offer.

Not that I care, but you also have to realize that the best players in our state aren't automatically good enough to play D1. Alot of kids get letters.

[4mcruenomore]

Please show me where I stated she got a full ride scholarship offer in the mail?

[Mr. Burgundy]

If NDSU had the same quality facilities for basketball as they do in football, I think we would have won 1 or more of the previously mentioned in state recruiting battles. Not only the facilities, but coaching salaries, gameday atmoshere, players lounges, locker rooms, coaches offices, etc. It is all a part of the presentation to a recruit and his family. If you read what our most recent recruiting class was saying, alot of it had to do with gameday atmosphere, facilities, etc.

[4mcruenomore]

Whatever, winning is what recruits. You can play in a gold basketball palace, but if you don't have any winning tradition or any hope of getting it, I doubt you get the players.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Please show me where I stated she got a full ride scholarship offer in the mail?

In post #12 you stated that offering a scholarship doesn't cut it. That a coach needs to show them they care. Then we find out our women's program sent some ND HS girl a form letter.....and you wanted her to get a phone call. I am calling you out because the topic of this thread was ND recruiting and our men's program has went "all in" trying to keep the best players from ND at NDSU IF they are good enough to play D1 hoops. We recruit the state of ND VERY hard. Kids have many chances to perform in front of our staff. Individual and team camps, not to mention how man games our staff watches all across the state. Now you back down because you know you are wrong. I guess I get sick of your trolling. If you don't care about Bison hoops, don't read this thread.

[ndsubison1]

What is your take on how the staff has recruited ND? IMHO, they have failed. Bohl makes a point in visiting every high school and gets pretty much any ND kid he wants. Everybody knows he recruits ND. IMHO the BB staff missed on Qvale(6' 11" with successful career at MT and nice NCAA tourney), Dufalt(6' 9" F started multiple years at CO and member of 2012 PAC12 Tourney Champion), Hanstad(at Boise- time will tell), Luke Martinez(6' 4" shooting G, most of you will say who? Bismarck kid who started at WY and led them in scoring most of the year.....kind of a crafty player). Flame away.

its not like we didnt recruit these guys. we went hard at qvale, dufault, and hanstad. all played as true freshmen. qvale went to montana to play with one of his best friends from his aau team, cant fault dufault for wanting to go big 12 and hanstad wanted to go bigger then the summit. we did miss out on martinez however. he is a guy that blossomed in juco and is doing very well for wyoming

[NorthernBison]

Congrats to Melvin Langstaff on his Mr. Basketball selection. Scoring machine at 38 ppg. It will be interesting to see if he plays anywhere next season. Color me doubtful.

My early prediction is that the Mr. Basketball award will stay in Region 4 next season (Jacob Hagler). I think he can play at the next level.

[ndsubison1]

Congrats to Melvin Langstaff on his Mr. Basketball selection. Scoring machine at 38 ppg. It will be interesting to see if he plays anywhere next season. Color me doubtful.

My early prediction is that the Mr. Basketball award will stay in Region 4 next season (Jacob Hagler). I think he can play at the next level.

ill say jacobson

[steelbison]

Congrats to Melvin Langstaff on his Mr. Basketball selection. Scoring machine at 38 ppg. It will be interesting to see if he plays anywhere next season. Color me doubtful.

My early prediction is that the Mr. Basketball award will stay in Region 4 next season (Jacob Hagler). I think he can play at the next level.


Agree on Hagler, I think he's a better player than Jacobson(my opinion) Reminds me of Hunter Berg but in my opinion a little better player.

[Snowgoose]

I have to say I disagree on Hagler. He was very unimpressive to me at least during the state tourney which is the first time I got to see him. In fact the whole North star team was very unimpressive. Right now I would have to say I don't think he can play for the Bison based on what I saw during that tourney. I also think peoples memory is a little rusty about Hunter Berg as he absolutely dominated and could shoot it lights out.

[bri-dog]

Congrats to Melvin Langstaff on his Mr. Basketball selection. Scoring machine at 38 ppg. It will be interesting to see if he plays anywhere next season. Color me doubtful.

My early prediction is that the Mr. Basketball award will stay in Region 4 next season (Jacob Hagler). I think he can play at the next level.

I don't know how reliable this is, but my nephew (a starter at Dakota Prairie and lives about 20 miles from Warwick), said that Langstaff quit high school the day after the bb season was over...

[NorthernBison]

I don't know how reliable this is, but my nephew (a starter at Dakota Prairie and lives about 20 miles from Warwick), said that Langstaff quit high school the day after the bb season was over...

There is a long list of Four Winds and Warwick players over the years who were never heard from after High School. Kind of tragic really.

[bisonpride]

Hagler is good but as good as Hunter Berg he is not. Not nearly the passer, ball handler, first step, shooter, or on ball defender. His all around game is just not as good.

[bisonpride]

I don't know how reliable this is, but my nephew (a starter at Dakota Prairie and lives about 20 miles from Warwick), said that Langstaff quit high school the day after the bb season was over...

That rumor has been proved false.

[NorthernBison]

I have to say I disagree on Hagler. He was very unimpressive to me at least during the state tourney which is the first time I got to see him. In fact the whole North star team was very unimpressive. Right now I would have to say I don't think he can play for the Bison based on what I saw during that tourney. I also think peoples memory is a little rusty about Hunter Berg as he absolutely dominated and could shoot it lights out.

So, you got to see him play two of three games on a wiped out ankle. That caused some real shooting problems. He usually lights it up. Pretty hard to compare him to Hunter Berg (he was a very special High School player). Hagler is too but how do you compare them?

Remind me where Hunter Berg played after High School and career stats. Actually forget it. Two years of JUCO ball followed by two pretty average years at UND. For a guy who supposedly could light it up, he isn't top ten in 3 pt % there. Barely shows up in the record books. Actually nothing special at the DII level.

I guess we'll see what type of offers Hagler gets. All of the scouting is done at the AAU level anyway. I've been told he has held up very well there.

Hard to compare the Class B game today to what it was 20 years ago. Way more physical now and open shots have to be earned.

[Snowgoose]

I was at NDSU during Hunter's years at UND and watched all the games. I always thought UND's coach made him into a run the offense pass first PG instead of letting him score more. He had the ability and also played with some pretty good scorers those two years he did play for UND so you definitely won't find him in any record books at UND. His back court running mate Travis Tuttle (one of the top scorers in Wisconsin history) could flat out score it so Hunter didn't need to as much. By the way the UND team that Berg was on would beat our current NDSU team and I hate UND but it is reality. That UND team had 2 NFL players.

I will definitely agree that I only saw Hagler play those two games so maybe that was not the best point I made. I was just expecting more.

[HerdBot]

I was at NDSU during Hunter's years at UND and watched all the games. I always thought UND's coach made him into a run the offense pass first PG instead of letting him score more. He had the ability and also played with some pretty good scorers those two years he did play for UND so you definitely won't find him in any record books at UND. His back court running mate Travis Tuttle (one of the top scorers in Wisconsin history) could flat out score it so Hunter didn't need to as much. By the way the UND team that Berg was on would probably destroy our current NDSU team and I hate UND but it is reality. That UND team had 2 NFL players.

I will definitely agree that I only saw Hagler play those two games so maybe that was not the best point I made. I was just expecting more.

The difference in quality between D2 and D1 basketball is laughable. Ask the womens program. Are you talking about basketball? NFL players

[344Johnson]

By the way the UND team that Berg was on would probably destroy our current NDSU team and I hate UND but it is reality. That UND team had 2 NFL players.

I have some doubts about a D-2 UND basketball team being better than the current (albeit an average team) NDSU team. Much less destroying them.

[HerdBot]

I have some doubts about a D-2 UND basketball team being better than the current (albeit an average team) NDSU team. Much less destroying them.

Thata pretty funny. Its like saying the Amy Ruley dynasty teams or Gene (pornstache) Roebucks Championship teams would beat the D1 Jackrabbit teams. Not gonna happen . Both lose big

[Jay]

Here is probably the game of the year, North Star vs Warwick.... Hagler, Grande and Langstaff go bananas...

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbKEEyMWg218&v=bKEEyMWg218&gl=US

[WRSDBison]

Hanstad's dad hates NDSU, wasn't ever going to happen. I agree, our ND recruiting sucks, just offering a scholarship doesn't cut it. Show someone you actually want them.

Once again, this is completely false. He came into work the Monday after NDSU won the National Title. He saw me in my NDSU gear and started singing "Hail the Bison". Joe didn't go to NDSU because the basketball facilities "are an absolute joke, especially when you look at the money the put into the Fargo Dome lately."

Yes, that is a direct quote from Joe, not Bryan.

[Snowgoose]

I have to 100% disagree with you guys on comparing lower D1 vs the top tier D2 teams. Those womens teams would compete and win against the Jacks. Do you realize that the Jacks get their players from SD and western MN. Where did we get our D2 players from? In fact back in the 80's and 90's no one from our state hardly went big time D1 and now because it is so much easier to see the players thru AAU more players are getting the chance to go big time D1 so you could argue we are losing more players and recruiting less good players currently in D1 than we were back then.

I have seen Bison BB since the mid 80s and there is absolutely no difference. You all may think there, but there is not. The players are similar hieghts as we get no big guys and if you saw some of the really good teams of the 90's both at UND and NDSU you would realize that this is true.

Just because it says D1 does not mean the Summit is any better ball than the old NCC, especially the top half of the NCC.

[Snowgoose]

I just mentioned the NFL players to show the athletic ability those teams did have. It really does not mean they were great BB players but were great athletes. Kleinsasser wasn't that good of a BB player, but Chad Mustard was a good player and that team would not destroy our team but I would place my bets on them.

[MN_BISON]

I just mentioned the NFL players to show the athletic ability those teams did have. It really does not mean they were great BB players but were great athletes. Kleinsasser wasn't that good of a BB player, but Chad Mustard was a good player and that team would not destroy our team but I would place my bets on them.

I'm sorry goose, but what do they say about a fool and his money? I have no issue with saying The Sauce and Mustard were great althletes, they were but to think that the old NCC and The Summit are on the same level is well......not smart. Just look at the number of NBA prospects in The Summit this year? I'm not saying they will make the league but they're good enough to draw attention and I don't remember too many NCC players even getting a sniff. Heck, Twiedt is playing in the D league and he wasn't even first team all Summit League if memory serves me right. Look at the number of former DI Bison players who have played or are playing overseas in the last handful of years, how many did that prior to going DI? Lance Berwald and who else? Christ, Jeff Askew, one of my all time favorites who was a basketball god to me back in the day and what I would call a NDSU great, never got a sniff other than a tryout with the Globe Trotters I think.

[Snowgoose]

There are more players than you think that played overseas from the old NCC. Also, DLeague barely existed back in the early to mid 90's and not many Americans were running overseas period back then to play so the eras in that respect are a little different. I do know two players from Northern State that played over seas for a while in the 90s just as an example that I had no idea played pro ball after college.

I can't really argue as I didn't keep up with the other teams and where there players were going after college in the 80's and 90's as it was just harder to do back then. But visually when I come back for a game at the BSA (only saw in person the Bison play Fresno this year) these teams look the same when compared to say the Craig Aamodt team which was the only decent team we had in the 90's. Back in the 80's and 90's we never did have that many good players compared to say UND and the other top tier NCC schools.

[ndsubison1]

I'm sorry goose, but what do they say about a fool and his money? I have no issue with saying The Sauce and Mustard were great althletes, they were but to think that the old NCC and The Summit are on the same level is well......not smart. Just look at the number of NBA prospects in The Summit this year? I'm not saying they will make the league but they're good enough to draw attention and I don't remember too many NCC players even getting a sniff. Heck, Twiedt is playing in the D league and he wasn't even first team all Summit League if memory serves me right. Look at the number of former DI Bison players who have played or are playing overseas in the last handful of years, how many did that prior to going DI? Lance Berwald and who else? Christ, Jeff Askew, one of my all time favorites who was a basketball god to me back in the day and what I would call a NDSU great, never got a sniff other than a tryout with the Globe Trotters I think.

completely agree!

[344Johnson]

I'm sure snowgoose is right in some regards and I'm sure the others are right in others. Are we fluffing up NDSU ball to be better now than the quality actually is? Possibly. Is snow overestimating how good those D-2 teams were? I'd imagine so. The Division 2 we are beginning to see now in all sports is very different than the one that NDSU was a member of. Something tells me that when we see the D-2 teams now, we imagine that is what NDSU/UND/SDSU used to look like, when really, they were probably better than these teams we see now.

[NorthernBison]

I was at NDSU during Hunter's years at UND and watched all the games. I always thought UND's coach made him into a run the offense pass first PG instead of letting him score more. He had the ability and also played with some pretty good scorers those two years he did play for UND so you definitely won't find him in any record books at UND. His back court running mate Travis Tuttle (one of the top scorers in Wisconsin history) could flat out score it so Hunter didn't need to as much. By the way the UND team that Berg was on would beat our current NDSU team and I hate UND but it is reality. That UND team had 2 NFL players.

I will definitely agree that I only saw Hagler play those two games so maybe that was not the best point I made. I was just expecting more.

Those two games were played on one ankle. The kid can play. He still has his Senior year left. Three full years as a starter and played a LOT as an 8th grader. His teams are 75-2 in the last three years with the two losses by a point or two at most.

I have no idea where Hagler might play at the next level. High school success does not always translate into success at the next level. Hunter Berg is a perfect example. Many people place him in the top 5 all time in Class B basketball (Guldseth, Blem, Berg, ...). Spare me all the "could have", "would have", "should have" crap. The FACT is that, after high school, Berg's playing career was VERY AVERAGE (DII BTW).

I simply made an early prediction that Hagler would win Mr. Basketball next year. Of course, your infinite basketball wisdom tells you that he can't play for NDSU because you saw him play two games on TV and you weren't impressed. Ming predicted Jacobson would win the Mr. Basketball. I can't argue with that because he's apparently very good and a NDSU recruit. BTW, I saw him play ONCE on TV so I really wouldn't dare comment on whether Saul made a good recruiting choice there.

I hope Bohl has his eyes on the Grande kid from North Star. Absolutely the best hands I've ever seen along with quickness and body control that could make him a deadly possession receiver.

[Snowgoose]

I feel like we lose more ND kids now to the big schools than we did back in the 80's and 90's thanks to AAU ball that never really existed much for these kids in the 80's and most of the 90's. A guy like a Chris Gardner from Fargo South that ended up at UND would probably have gone bigger time D1 than staying locally for college now if there was AAU ball back then. Back in the D2 days we would have recruited and gotten a kid like Werner.

The first time that I thought that the this D1 ball we were participating in was the same as the Top tier D2 ball back in the day, not now, was when I came back to a game when woody was a junior against a decent SUU team. When I watched that game in person I really felt like that NDSU team was no better than the team that Craig Aamodt led to the Region finals. If you saw Craig play you know he was a D1 player and would be a great point guard in the Summit just like Woody.

I know this is a useless argument because no one can prove anything either way, but visually that is what I saw. Plus, when you look at it there are just as many colleges as there were back then and the big schools get their players and then it honestly becomes more of a regional battle since most kids stay regional if they don't get that big time offer. And in our region of ND, SD, Minnesota, and Wisconsin there are not many small D1 schools or back then we were one of the bigger D2 schools. So in my opinion we are fighting for similar players as we did back then. We were not a good D2 program either. We only had a couple of teams that even competed for NCC titles and we were never close to really winning the region title except for Aamodt's team.

[Snowgoose]

I am not going to argue with you NBison on Hagler and yes Berg's career at UND stat wise was mediocre. However, he was a really good facilitating PG and I would take him on our current NDSU team in a heart beat. Hagler may have that ability to play D1 and hopefully he will he just didn't show it in the state tourney at all and it probably was because of the bum ankle that slowed him down. I was unaware the ankle was that bad.

[NorthernBison]

I am not going to argue with you NBison on Hagler and yes Berg's career at UND stat wise was mediocre. However, he was a really good facilitating PG and I would take him on our current NDSU team in a heart beat. Hagler may have that ability to play D1 and hopefully he will he just didn't show it in the state tourney at all and it probably was because of the bum ankle that slowed him down. I was unaware the ankle was that bad.

My point wasn't really to argue because I've probably only seen Hagler play 6 or 8 times in person the last three years. More importantly, that was against typical Class B competition and not the select AAU type players he goes against in the Summer. In general, I get a bit leery of dissing ANY prospect that our staff might be looking at. That's all.

[silkamilkamonico]

People are being overreactive with this.

I know Hunter Berg personally. I know his basketball history very well actually and I know what kind of player he was. He was a very special player. I will say, whomever said they would have Hunter Berg over LA doesn't know basketball, and whomever said his teams at UND would beat our current NDSU team doesn't know D1 basketball very well....at all.

[Snowgoose]

Silk would I take a senior in Berg over a freshman in LA, I would. Would I take LA in a few years over Berg, I sure hope so but he needs to improve a little which I think he will.

You can tell me I don't know BB but you have no idea what I know so that in and of itself is dumb comment.

[Bison Dan]

Silk would I take a senior in Berg over a freshman in LA, I would. Would I take LA in a few years over Berg, I sure hope so but he needs to improve a little which I think he will.

You can tell me I don't know BB but you have no idea what I know so that in and of itself is dumb comment.

Here's a little something to think about. Teams play better defense today (far better) than back then. If und basketball players are your idols then fine. Personnally I'd take Woodside over anyone who has ever played BB in ND.

[HerdBot]

I have to 100% disagree with you guys on comparing lower D1 vs the top tier D2 teams. Those womens teams would compete and win against the Jacks. Do you realize that the Jacks get their players from SD and western MN. Where did we get our D2 players from? In fact back in the 80's and 90's no one from our state hardly went big time D1 and now because it is so much easier to see the players thru AAU more players are getting the chance to go big time D1 so you could argue we are losing more players and recruiting less good players currently in D1 than we were back then.

I have seen Bison BB since the mid 80s and there is absolutely no difference. You all may think there, but there is not. The players are similar hieghts as we get no big guys and if you saw some of the really good teams of the 90's both at UND and NDSU you would realize that this is true.

Just because it says D1 does not mean the Summit is any better ball than the old NCC, especially the top half of the NCC.

The top players in ND, SD, and Minnesota back then were going to other mid major D1 schools . Now they stay closer to home. Well not so much Norrh Dakota. 20 years ago where does nate Wolters go? Mike Miller out of Mitchell went to Florida and then to the NBA. Like he was ever going to go D2. These days he may have actually given one of us consideration

[Snowgoose]

20 years ago Nate Wolters ends up at St. Cloud State and Woodside probably still ends up at NDSU. Woodside came to NDSU because of the relationship he developed with Miles. We weren't even eligible until his last year. If he would have had other good D1 offers he would have went there.

[Bison06]

Here's a little something to think about. Teams play better defense today (far better) than back then. If und basketball players are your idols then fine. Personnally I'd take Woodside over anyone who has ever played BB in ND.

You'd take woodside over Jeff Boschee? Big 12 freshman of the year, up until 2 years ago was the Kansas all time leader in 3 pointers made.

[Bison Dan]

You'd take woodside over Jeff Boschee? Big 12 freshman of the year, up until 2 years ago was the Kansas all time leader in 3 pointers made.
Yes I would. The way Woodside turned out he could have played on any Big 12 team.

[Bison06]

Yes I would. The way Woodside turned out he could have played on any Big 12 team.


I think you're crazy. They were different types of players, but I would take Boschee without question.

Woodside may have been able to play on any Big 12 team, but Boschee was a star on that Big 12 team.

[Snowgoose]

Boschee set individual records in the Big 12 so how can you say woodside was better. Interesting stat last week on Boschee, I believe they said he has the ND state tourney record for 11 threes in one game. That is mighty impressive.

In my opinion Woodside was great, but I really believe Craig Aamodt was as good. Craig was alot like Woodside as he could control the game and could really facilitate and make others around him that much better.

[silkamilkamonico]

Silk would I take a senior in Berg over a freshman in LA, I would. Would I take LA in a few years over Berg, I sure hope so but he needs to improve a little which I think he will.
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That's kind of an absurd comment to make. I would take LA this year 100% of the time over Hunter Berg as a Freshman at UND-Williston, and never give it a second thought, and I absolutely loved the way Hunter Berg played.

[Kujava23]

Boschee scored 1400+ points at Kansas playing against the top competition in the country with KU's schedule year in year out. Woody was great at NDSU, but Boschee had a better college career.
Boschee was playing and holding own playing with NDSU players as a junior in high school---just saying.

[bisonpride]

Here's a little something to think about. Teams play better defense today (far better) than back then. If und basketball players are your idols then fine. Personnally I'd take Woodside over anyone who has ever played BB in ND.

Woody is a great player but I think I will take Phil Jackson if I get first pick.

[unbison]

Yes I would. The way Woodside turned out he could have played on any Big 12 team.
could have played on any big 12 team........he would not have started for the kansas team we lost to in the tournament just saying played yes started nope
shit mark landsbergher played in the nba.....automatically makes him more impressive ........phil jackson..... and if we are taking anyone that ever played basketball in north dakota i am taking
Lute Olsen...........i mean there is a lute olsen award.......i know its not because of his playing prowess but I'm just saying

[CHADSTAUS]

I was at NDSU during Hunter's years at UND and watched all the games. I always thought UND's coach made him into a run the offense pass first PG instead of letting him score more. He had the ability and also played with some pretty good scorers those two years he did play for UND so you definitely won't find him in any record books at UND. His back court running mate Travis Tuttle (one of the top scorers in Wisconsin history) could flat out score it so Hunter didn't need to as much. By the way the UND team that Berg was on would beat our current NDSU team and I hate UND but it is reality. That UND team had 2 NFL players.

I will definitely agree that I only saw Hagler play those two games so maybe that was not the best point I made. I was just expecting more.

Those two games were played on one ankle. The kid can play. He still has his Senior year left. Three full years as a starter and played a LOT as an 8th grader. His teams are 75-2 in the last three years with the two losses by a point or two at most.

I have no idea where Hagler might play at the next level. High school success does not always translate into success at the next level. Hunter Berg is a perfect example. Many people place him in the top 5 all time in Class B basketball (Guldseth, Blem, Berg, ...). Spare me all the "could have", "would have", "should have" crap. The FACT is that, after high school, Berg's playing career was VERY AVERAGE (DII BTW).

I simply made an early prediction that Hagler would win Mr. Basketball next year. Of course, your infinite basketball wisdom tells you that he can't play for NDSU because you saw him play two games on TV and you weren't impressed. Ming predicted Jacobson would win the Mr. Basketball. I can't argue with that because he's apparently very good and a NDSU recruit. BTW, I saw him play ONCE on TV so I really wouldn't dare comment on whether Saul made a good recruiting choice there.

I hope Bohl has his eyes on the Grande kid from North Star. Absolutely the best hands I've ever seen along with quickness and body control that could make him a deadly possession receiver.

Grande IS being recruited by NDSU. Several letters and a invite to junior day. Very good kid. He's working really hard in the weight room and would be a great guy to have on the team. Great attitiude, 4.0 all through high school.

Hagler is being recruited by every team in the tri state area. We went to every home game and a hand full of road games, college coaches at every one. Ankle was a issue at state. Good kid. Will make a college team very happy when he signs.

[NorthernBison]

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Grande IS being recruited by NDSU. Several letters and a invite to junior day. Very good kid. He's working really hard in the weight room and would be a great guy to have on the team. Great attitiude, 4.0 all through high school.

Hagler is being recruited by every team in the tri state area. We went to every home game and a hand full of road games, college coaches at every one. Ankle was a issue at state. Good kid. Will make a college team very happy when he signs.

Happy to report that Langdon/Munich got a bit of payback last night on the diamond. Roy and Wirth combined for a no-hitter over North Star in the season opener (5-2). Hagler got the loss even though he pitched well (I think he only threw a couple innings). Both Hagler and Grande handle themselves well on the diamond. True all-around athletes.

[Snowgoose]

Hagler being recruited proves my point that we are just a DII team playing with a D1 symbol. He might be a good player or great player for ND but we would have gotten him when we were DII just like we are now. Same with Werner. Shoot half the players on our current team athletically and basketball wise are barely DII players back in the day.

[MN_BISON]

Hagler being recruited proves my point that we are just a DII team playing with a D1 symbol. He might be a good player or great player for ND but we would have gotten him when we were DII just like we are now. Same with Werner. Shoot half the players on our current team athletically and basketball wise are barely DII players back in the day.

You just proved you're a f'n idiot, please leave this board and never talk or think of it again. I've read a lot of crap here and posted some myself but never have I come across an asshat like Snowgoose who pretends to understand basketball and recruiting and yet comes off as a bigger douche than DaveK.... I didn't think that was possible. Congrats Goose, you are now King Douche of the InterWebszzzz! If I was a mod I'd ban your sorry ass because you provide nothing to this board other than being the village idiot and we've got enough of them already.

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[NorthernBison]

Hagler being recruited proves my point that we are just a DII team playing with a D1 symbol. He might be a good player or great player for ND but we would have gotten him when we were DII just like we are now. Same with Werner. Shoot half the players on our current team athletically and basketball wise are barely DII players back in the day.

Have you ever seen him play AAU ball where all the other players are solid and it isn't possible to double him?

FYI, in HS he gets chased all the time and defenses load up to stop him. I've heard that he more than holds his own against other elite players one on one.

[Snowgoose]

NBison I am not saying we shouldn't recruit him. If he is that good we better get him. I did not mean to disparage hagler he was just used as an example. We have missed out on lots of good kids in western nd so if he is that good we can't afford to continue that trend.

Nice response Mn Bison. Quality.

[IzzyFlexion]

Hagler being recruited proves my point that we are just a DII team playing with a D1 symbol. He might be a good player or great player for ND but we would have gotten him when we were DII just like we are now. Same with Werner. Shoot half the players on our current team athletically and basketball wise are barely DII players back in the day.

I was a little alarmed when I first read this. Then went back and pretended that there was a comma after the word shoot........whew!

[silkamilkamonico]

NBison I am not saying we shouldn't recruit him. If he is that good we better get him. I did not mean to disparage hagler he was just used as an example. We have missed out on lots of good kids in western nd so if he is that good we can't afford to continue that trend.

Nice response Mn Bison. Quality.


if we are currently d2 hagler isnt wasting his time considering us.

[ndsubison1]

ive only watched 3 games of hagler. all of them the state tourney this year. i feel he would be a better fit at und than us. just my opinion

[NorthernBison]

NBison I am not saying we shouldn't recruit him. If he is that good we better get him. I did not mean to disparage hagler he was just used as an example. We have missed out on lots of good kids in western nd so if he is that good we can't afford to continue that trend.

Nice response Mn Bison. Quality.

I'm not saying he's that good. I'm simply saying that you can't tell much from watching a couple state tournament games when he played on a bad ankle. Heck, I watched the Class A Title game and Jacobson looked pretty average in that game compared to Arvidson. That's why I leave the talent analysis to the coaches. Most of that gets done over the Summer when players play against better overall competition.

BTW, college basketball at all levels has players who don't dazzle you with slashes to the bucket and rim rocking dunks. Just guys who defend well and stroke the J when they have a shot. Ever watch Baylor and wonder why Brady Heslip even plays on that team of athletic freaks? About 6-2 and maybe 170 but drops 3's if you give him any space. I'll take smart savvy players to fill holes every time.

Speaking of ND players, wasn't there a Malzer (sp?) a few years ago who went JUCO? What ever happened to him? I thought we'd hear from him again.

[balla45]

Cameron Malzer went to Minot State and redshirted, then played his freshman season there before transferring to Dakota College at Bottineau for his sophomore season. I am not sure what he will do or where he will go as a junior.

[NorthernBison]

Cameron Malzer went to Minot State and redshirted, then played his freshman season there before transferring to Dakota College at Bottineau for his sophomore season. I am not sure what he will do or where he will go as a junior.

I'm assuming that means he's technically a JUCO and can play right away wherever he goes. I wonder if any schools are recruiting him.

[NDSU_grad]

I'm assuming that means he's technically a JUCO and can play right away wherever he goes. I wonder if any schools are recruiting him.
He went to Bottineau because he wasn't getting minutes at Minot State.

[CaBisonFan]

Two problems:

1. Arena
2. Summit League

If I was a big-time recruit...I'd go to a place that was better in these two areas. Wouldn't matter if NDSU recruited me...not in the least.

[silkamilkamonico]

Two problems:

1. Arena
2. Summit League

If I was a big-time recruit...I'd go to a place that was better in these two areas. Wouldn't matter if NDSU recruited me...not in the least.

Agreed. The Arena will likely be fixed, and if a recruit is going to choose a Big 12 school, or an MWC school, or something similiar over the Summit league, there should be no issues. Those conferences are not only more prestigeous, but offer much better opourtunites for student-athletes.

It sucks, but it's reality.