Gdt: Umkc

[KSBisonFan]

The Bison play at UMKC tonight at 7. NDSU 15-8, 8-5 conf defeated the Roos 55-54 on January 12th. UMKC is 9-16 and 3-10 in the conference. The game will probably be closer than you'd expect but the Herd will pull out a close one. Should be a decent showing of Bison fans, myself included. Go Bison!!

[HoopsBison]

Bison win easy tonight. Have fun at the game!

GO BISON!

[Bison03]

After a hard fought loss to ORU at home, this team needs a confidence boost tonight. I don't think the Roo's have what it takes to beat us tonight. Bison win by 15.

[GradBison]

GoBison is showing video available on All Access. Hopefully that's the case.

[bisonfan08]

This is one of those defining moments of the season where the last two years we have fell short. Tough loss at home to ORU and now a 3 game road trip against the two bottom feeders in the conference and then head to SDSU mid next week. If we can cruise to a couple easy wins this weekend and head into Brookings with our swagger back it could be a huge momementum builder heading into the final stretch of the season and the Summit league tourney. A loss tonight or Saturday would crush this teams confidence and would really kill my hopes of making a run at the title. That being said, I think the Summit League tourney is the light starting to shine at the end of the tunnel for this season for these players and they come out ready. Bison by 20 with big nights from Braun and Bjorklund.

[TheBisonator]

Is this your first GDT?? If so, we're doomed. :D

I do not expect a win tonight guys. For some reason I feel tonight we're going to completely shit it down our legs. We did that last year in this same game. I don't know why, but I'm expecting a loss tonight.

I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel. We've always struggled on the road in conference, even in 08-09 we won a lot of very close road games. besides that year, we've been TERRIBLE on the road in the Summit.

Bison will lose by 6.

[HoopsBison]

Is this your first GDT?? If so, we're doomed. :D

I do not expect a win tonight guys. For some reason I feel tonight we're going to completely shit it down our legs. We did that last year in this same game. I don't know why, but I'm expecting a loss tonight.

I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel. We've always struggled on the road in conference, even in 08-09 we won a lot of very close road games. besides that year, we've been TERRIBLE on the road in the Summit.

Bison will lose by 6.


Your wrong...Bison by 15!

[Strommer10]

Bison by 20 if they show up tonight. If they don't, Bison lose by 10. It could go either way for this young team on the road in conference. I just hope it's the first possibility :praying:

[BisonTeacher]

Bison by 20 if they show up tonight. If they don't, Bison lose by 10. It could go either way for this young team on the road in conference. I just hope it's the first possibility :praying:

Wow that says so much about our consistency. I'm hoping to be home in time to catch the 2nd half. Go Bison!

[North Side]

no such things as an easy road game in the Summit. Bison win by 2.

[ndsubison1]

i dont see a blow out. Bison by 7

[VanClubPres]

Bison by 8. Felt with 5 threes

[HoopsBison]

77-61 Bison

[TheBisonator]

I wish I had you guys' optimism.

[99Bison]

Anyone see tv out there for this at all?

[herdmember]

Is GoBison.com stream pretty much worthless again this year or would it be worth buying for this game?

[TheBisonator]

Is GoBison.com stream pretty much worthless again this year or would it be worth buying for this game?

The feed is from UMKC, so I don't know what the quality of it is.

[TheBisonator]

It's a crappy webcast with no score/time clock, but I'll take anything that doesn't buffer.

[JSUBison]

For those that have it, IUPUI @ ORU on FCS. Looks like another full house at ORU. The gobison feed is up and working for the NDSU game.

[TheBisonator]

Bison down 8-4 15:44

[NDSUstudent]

4-8 UMKC

Bjorklund-2
Carlson-2

[JSUBison]

Can't believe how few people at UKMC, I've been at class B boys basketball games with more people. 8-4 UKMC.

[herdmember]

This Korver has to be related to Kyle Korver, right?

[herdmember]

15-6 umkc
ugh

[TheBisonator]

Bison down 17-11 10:50

[JSUBison]

17-11 ukmc

[NDSUstudent]

11-17 UMKC 10:50 left in the first half

Wright-4
Braun-3
Bjorklund-2
Carlson-2

[Jay]

This Korver has to be related to Kyle Korver, right?

Yes, brothers.

[NDSUstudent]

Hale is still in his funk...at least it looks like Tray is starting to come out of his.

[Ross]

I wish Hale could play with better court awareness. He takes bad fouls A LOT. If I heard Scotty right, Hale has 2 fouls and those are the only team fouls for NDSU.

[SDbison]

As usual Bison on the road making a bad team look good.

[Ross]

For those watching on GoBison, does it look as bad as it sounds? Bison down 25-13

[TheBisonator]

Bison down 25-13 7:29

[NDSUstudent]

13-25 UMKC 7:49 to play in the first half

Wright-4
Braun-3
LA-2
Bjorklund-2
Carlson-2

[SDbison]

For those watching on GoBison, does it look as bad as it sounds? Bison down 25-13 Yes........and the video feed keeps freezing and buffering.......total shit all around.

[TheBisonator]

For those watching on GoBison, does it look as bad as it sounds? Bison down 25-13

It looks PRETTY bad, I'm not gonna lie.

[JSUBison]

For those watching on GoBison, does it look as bad as it sounds? Bison down 25-13

I think SDBison pretty much summed it up in the post above yours. Still early though.

[TheBisonator]

Bison down 27-19 5:56

[NDSUstudent]

Next game Felt needs to start, put another scorer on the floor..we just start these road games in a funk.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Interesting so far in Vermillion. USD 34 SDSU 15 with 4:44 to go in the first half

[SDbison]

I am sorry all you devoted Bison fans and I don't give a crap if these are freshman and sophomores but the Bison look like shit against a so so team playing in a middle school like gym.

[TheBisonator]

Bison down 31-21 3:53

[NDSUstudent]

21-31 UMKC under 4 minutes to play in the half

Braun-8
Wright-4
Felt-3
LA-2
Bjorklund-2
Carlson-2

[SDbison]

Interesting so far in Vermillion. USD 34 SDSU 15 with 4:44 to go in the first half One of the SDSU grads at my work today predicted the Jacks might lay an egg in Vermillion........ha ha funny stuff.

[Ross]

If USD actually beats SDSU at the DakotaDump, will the bunny board go full Chernobyl like bisonville did about a month ago after the loss in GF?

[TheBisonator]

Yikes. Bison down 39-21 with 1 minute left.

Even I didn't think we'd start out this bad tonight, and I was extremely pessimistic.

Now I kind of hope the Bison can cut it to 6 by the final horn.

[Ross]

Good lord, UMKC now leads 39-21.

[TheBisonator]

Bison down 39-23 at the half.

(need drink)

[SDbison]

Aweful game being played by the Bison..........They either really suck tonight or Saul didn't prepare them, or both.

[herdmember]

Wow, its hard not to overreact after that 1st half debacle. What exactly is our rotation right now? I can't find the rhyme or reason.

[JSUBison]

ORU is losing to IUPUI 32-26, top 3 teams in the summit all losing tonight.

[SDbison]

If USD actually beats SDSU at the DakotaDump, will the bunny board go full Chernobyl like bisonville did about a month ago after the loss in GF? Yes and I will definately go over to watch it in progress..........

[Ross]

Bison down 39-23 at the half.

(need drink)

I'm glad my mountains are blue.

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[TheBisonator]

Lots of crazy shit in the Summit tonight. IUPUI leads ORU by 4 at the half.

[Strommer10]

Reggie Hamilton 19, NDSU 23

UMKC is shooting 60% for 3 so far.. Nice start for them.
NDSU's FG % is only 31.8.

[SDbison]

Lots of crazy shit in the Summit tonight. IUPUI leads ORU by 4 at the half. Not a big deal........ORU will rally and win.........now the Bison on the other hand are down by 16 at half. Not looking good at all.

[silkamilkamonico]

F'n embarrassing.

If the entire NDSU program hasn't noticed, this game actually means something to them in the standings.

I'm really starting to wonder about this team.

[JackJD]

thanks for your concern...but, SDSU closed to within 10 at the half in Vermillion: USD 34, SDSU 24.
USD eating some clock up like SUU did in Brookings and SDSU shooting very poorly (but as the half approaching, started improving). SDSU 0-8 from outside the arc. Ouch. But, we're adjusting.

[TheBisonator]

F'n embarrassing.

If the entire NDSU program hasn't noticed, this game actually means something to them in the standings.

I'm really starting to wonder about this team.

If they had to play on the road at Fargo Davies HS, they'd lose.

[TheBisonator]

Bison down 44-29

[silkamilkamonico]

If they had to play on the road at Fargo Davies HS, they'd lose.

Absolutely ridiculous. I have been quietly wondering for a while but there's a part of me that feels like some of these players have a sense of entitlement. I don'tknow how many times they have started a game this year and got their ass kicked out of the only to have to play catch up throughout the rest of the game.

Be ready to play the game. for crying out loud.

[Ross]

The guys need to show some pride out there. This is embarassing.

I will say though, that I'm a big fan of how the UMKC coach takes timeouts whenever the Bison make a big play. Although, when you have a giant lead, a coach can afford to do that.

[BisonTeacher]

Just getting here...whats going on...and why is there no sound on go bison video feed?

[Ross]

Also, can somebody please play some defense on Chamberlain?? Jesus.

[silkamilkamonico]

Just getting here...whats going on...and why is there no sound on go bison video feed?

UMKC is kicking our ass in every way, shape, and form out there.

[KilldeerBison]

How about just pass the ball without a turnover?

[JSUBison]

Seems like NDSU always has more turnovers no matter the opponent.

[TheBisonator]

Bison down by 18 with 11:34

[HandoEX]

:facepalm:

Wow, this really sucks.

[herdmember]

How about just pass the ball without a turnover?

Yup, our offense is a disaster and they're making everything. It may be time to stop worrying about people's feelings and start playing your best 7 and that's it. Heaven knows who that 7 is at this point.

[Yellow]

Is this a joke?

[JackJD]

It's not much better for the Rabbits in Vermillion. Opposites night, I guess.

[TheBisonator]

I used to be a defender of this team in past discussions about how we've "fallen", but I gotta say, in the past 4 weeks, we've been slowly getting worse. This is about the WORST possible time of the season to be getting really bad. This team needs to overhaul a few things and QUICK, because I don't see any road or neutral wins for the rest of the season, and perhaps even one more home loss.

This is getting BAD.

[SDbison]

sloppy.......sloppy..........sloppy! Totally ashamed that is the Bison basketball team out there tonight. Nothing to be proud of thats for sure. Glad spring football is around the corner.

[Yellow]

Absolutely no fight in this team. None. I like Saul, but sometimes you cant just stand there with your arms crossed and it will get fixed

[JSUBison]

What really sucks is that it looks like SDSU will lose. So NDSU could have picked up a game in the standings if they could have beat UKMC. Also, NDSU was favored by 6 tonight. :facepalm2:

ORU up 40-32 now, IUPUI hasn't scored in 2nd half yet, 14 minutes left. Morrison getting it done.

[BisonTeacher]

no seriously...anyone know whats going on with gobison audio? They arent showing a score, and there is no audio

[SDbison]

Have the Bison players out there tonight been practicing together. Sure doesn't look like it.

[KilldeerBison]

no seriously...anyone know whats going on with gobison audio? They arent showing a score, and there is no audio
My fault, I said to God, please I don't want to hear anymore!

[silkamilkamonico]

Yea I'm done defending this team too.

[SDbison]

no seriously...anyone know whats going on with gobison audio? They arent showing a score, and there is no audio Just be happy an count your blessings. Why would you want to hear audio from this game and the Bison are getting their ASSES HANDED TO THEM.......just think they might only be losing by 20 at this time.......it's somewhere around there!

[Ross]

Well at least one NDSU athlete is having a fine evening tonight. According a tweet from NDSU Athletics, Whitney Johnson, a pitcher on the softball team has just set a new school record for strikeouts in one game with 17! The game against Toledo is going into the bottom of the 8th inning with the score tied 0-0

/thread hijack

[DjKyRo]

Just checked this for the first time. Yikes.

[BisonTeacher]

Well at least one NDSU athlete is having a fine evening tonight. According a tweet from NDSU Athletics, Whitney Johnson, a pitcher on the softball team has just set a new school record for strikeouts in one game with 17! The game against Toledo is going into the bottom of the 8th inning with the score tied 0-0

/thread hijack

NIce...still waiting for someone to post a link for tomorrow nights game stream!

[silkamilkamonico]

The season is done with "turning points".

I think at this point this team is what it is.

[BisonTeacher]

My fault, I said to God, please I don't want to hear anymore!

Well god isnt listening to you cuz it just came back. But then again it has dropped once already...so maybe hes just toying with us. BTW...Im agnostic.

[SDbison]

How bad are the Bison shooting from the line tonight.........I have seen a bunch of misses.

[SDbison]

The season is done with "turning points".

I think at this point this team is what it is. Not wasting my time and money going to the Summit Tourney to watch the Bison and I live nearby.

[Ross]

9-16 from the line tonight for the Bison

[BisonTeacher]

"A bounce pass to no one."

[SDbison]

Nice bounce pass to nobody..........just when you thought it can't get worse it does!

[JSUBison]

Well at least one NDSU athlete is having a fine evening tonight. According a tweet from NDSU Athletics, Whitney Johnson, a pitcher on the softball team has just set a new school record for strikeouts in one game with 17! The game against Toledo is going into the bottom of the 8th inning with the score tied 0-0

/thread hijack

Bison up 3-0 top of 9th. Time to jump on the softball bandwagon now!

[TheBisonator]

Bison up 3-0 top of 9th. Time to jump on the softball bandwagon now!

Hoping for Super Regionals again this year!!!

[TheBisonator]

At least last year when we were down at UMKC, we came back to almost win, remember that??

[BisonTeacher]

Did they just say Sats game was a home game?

[TheBisonator]

Garbage time, down 19 2:49 left

[herdmember]

Does this GoBison All Access crap still auto renew so I have to call and cancel if I don't want to pay next month?

[BisonTeacher]

Bison up 3-0 top of 9th. Time to jump on the softball bandwagon now!

Stat tracker says the 8th. And all 3 of our runs were scored in top of 8th. 2 outs top 8.

[BisonTeacher]

Does this GoBison All Access crap still auto renew so I have to call and cancel if I don't want to pay next month?

Annnd...no audio again.

[SDbison]

All done watching this shit.

[Ross]

Looks like USD has a good shot to win. They're up 5 with 30 seconds to play.

[BisonTeacher]

Bison women Softball in bottom of 8 now

[JSUBison]

Bison women Softball in bottom of 8 now

24 batters faced, 18 strikeouts.

[Bison03]

Some of you still amaze me. Yeah, we lost tonight, bad. Shit happens. Why don't you support your team for gods sake. Reminds me of after the UND game. Stop being a bandwagon fan. Support your team. You can't vent frustration but don't just throw them under the bus.

[TheBisonator]

Bison creating the illusion of a hard-fought game, down by 11 with 13.1 left

[TheBisonator]

Bison lose 72-61

[TheBisonator]

Is it still a full moon tonight?? Tennessee State leading 23-0 Murray State by 1 with 5 minutes left.

[DjKyRo]

If we make our god dang free throws we only lose by 2. Obviously not the biggest issue tonight but darn it, that's frustrating.

[herdmember]

If we make our god dang free throws we only lose by 2. Obviously not the biggest issue tonight but darn it, that's frustrating.

The turnovers were very frustrating. Plus, they didn't miss. One of those nights.

[TheBisonator]

Howz this for creepy??

Summit Cellar Dweller #1 beats Summit #3 by 11 points (most of game it was 20)
Summit Cellar Dweller #2 beats Summit #2 by 4
Summit Cellar Dweller #3 giving Summit Leader all they can handle

[herdmember]

USD won. Crazy.

[CAS4127]

USD won. Crazy.

There, good excuse for why we lost.

[BisonTeacher]

Howz this for creepy??

Summit Cellar Dweller #1 beats Summit #3 by 11 points (most of game it was 20)
Summit Cellar Dweller #2 beats Summit #2 by 4
Summit Cellar Dweller #3 giving Summit Leader all they can handle

Just goes to show anything can happen come tourney time. I not holding my breath...but I still have a tiny bit of hope.

[TheBisonator]

There, good excuse for why we lost.

Well, I'm not defending this team anymore. We've been getting steadily worse.

[TheBisonator]

We're 9-9 in the last 18 games. 4-5 in the last 9. Ugh.

[silkamilkamonico]

Well, I'm not defending this team anymore. We've been getting steadily worse.

I'm not either.

The sad thing is, getting worse is one thing, but we have gone beyond that, to embarrassment.

[BisonTeacher]

Well it looked like not many people saw us get embarrassed cuz that place looked empty. Did they announce an attendance>?

[TheBisonator]

IUPUI going to OT with ORU

[TheBisonator]

I'm not either.

The sad thing is, getting worse is one thing, but we have gone beyond that, to embarrassment.

Yep. It's been a steady downslope for the past 4 weeks.

[TheBisonator]

IUPUI trailing ORU by 1 on overtime.

Murray State just lost.

[HandoEX]

Meh, the sub will still rise tomorrow. This is pretty damn shitty though.

[TheBisonator]

Meh, the sub will still rise tomorrow. This is pretty damn shitty though.

The sub?? Submarine???

[BisonTeacher]

Meh, the sub will still rise tomorrow.

Does that mean someone else is gonna teach my class for me tomorrow and I can sleep in?

[HandoEX]

Does that mean someone else is gonna teach my class for me tomorrow and I can sleep in?
Taking a vaca day so I can swing by and teach kids...

And I meant sun. Typing on a phone ducks.

[BisonTeacher]

I knew what you meant...just trying to lighten the mood around here. And by here I meant my computer room.

[herdmember]

So what did UMKC coach say about us after we beat them in Fargo? I've heard it mentioned a few times. Even that didn't get us to come out ready I guess. Unrelated to just this one game, here's a list of things I can think of that need to be fixed with the basketball program in my opinion.

1) BSA remodel. Obvious.
2) New conference. We lost to this team fair and square. They were way better than us. Our future goal should be to never play in this type of a gym again. Beg, borrow, and steal to get into the MVC.
3) GoBison All Access needs to improve. #2 may help this. Some type of NDSU weekly TV show outside of football that includes hoops.
4) At least having the option to switch to a zone once in awhile. I love that our calling card is man to man, and that its an identity for us, but I'd love to have the option to mix the zone in once in awhile.
5) I'd love to see us dictate the tempo more often. We have two great #5s for this conference, and too many times in games we take them out to match up better with the other team, unclog the lane, or whatever. This should be an advantage for us, let's not waste these two post player's careers adjusting to other teams.

Going into the year, we knew we'd have some really frustrating times and some good times with this young, talented team. It's just tough to actually live through the ups and downs. I'm absolutely not giving up on this team, we just need to get our best rotation set and start peaking here really soon or we'll be lucky to even make the semis in the tourney.

[BisonTeacher]

3) OMG Yes....tonight was really bad. I emailed and complained.
4) OMG Yes...if you are a one trick pony someone is gonne take you down. ive said this here before...as a coach myself, you have to make adjustments if something isnt working. Calling card or not. The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. That's on the coaching staff.

[ndsubison1]

We have a chance to gain a game on sdsu and we don't do it. Too much inconsistency.

[HoopsBison]

Disappointed/Upset/Frustrated are my feelings right now but by no means am I giving up on this team and the program. With that being said we need to get better.

[CAS4127]

@herd: ur first two points remind me of DaveK. R u fucking kidding? U honestly think, as a basketball crowd member, that thosehave something to do with this loss. Now I better understand the effin BB crowd!! Effin wow!! And I mean Wow! U think that if we played a MVC team tonite we would have won?? WTF r u thinking??! Uneffin real!! Holy shit!!

[herdmember]

@herd: ur first two points remind me of DaveK. R u fucking kidding? U honestly think, as a basketball crowd member, that thosehave something to do with this loss. Now I better understand the effin BB crowd!! Effin wow!! And I mean Wow! U think that if we played a MVC team tonite we would have won?? WTF r u thinking??! Uneffin real!! Holy shit!!

Maybe you missed this part "Unrelated to just this one game." Or this part: "We lost to this team fair and square. They were way better than us."

You've become pretty predictable showing up after each hoops loss trying to find something wrong with the Bison basketball crowd though. I'm a Bison fan. Not a Bison basketball fan, not a Bison football fan. I like all Bison teams.

[KSBisonFan]

We have a chance to gain a game on sdsu and we don't do it. Too much inconsistency.

And lack of effort, coaching, etc.
That was one of the worst all around performances I've seen. We were never in the game. I watched this game with an impartial KU fan and his analysis was "disheartening" and "Not encouraging regardless of how the season has gone so far". Some other observations he made:

1) Complete lack of effort and hustle tonight
2) Defensively we are timid and soft and don't move our feet. No help defense.
3) Why doesn't your coach put in your bigs? Do you have more than 1 big man?
4) Why doesn't your coach put in both bigs at the same time?
5) What offense are you running?
6) Why do your guards feel like they need to be dribbling in one spot?
7) Your offense never got inside the free throw line the entire possession
8) Why is your free throw shooting so poor?
9) How can you be getting outplayed so bad? Did the Bison have a game last night?
10) UMKC is by far more agressive, more disciplined and runs an inside-out offense. Their defense is completely pushing your guards out of your offense.
11) Why are you playing your 6'7" kid at the point?
12) Who's the leader on the team?

And there were several more. I'm using his analysis and not mine because mine would be a lot worse.
We got our asses handed to us and it was bad. There's something not quite right with this team internally....I can't put my finger on it but I sensed it watching the team and coaches during timeouts, etc

[silkamilkamonico]

IMHO, these are the frustrating points of this team.

1)This team, along with the coaching staff, absolutely does not know how to get up for games and be ready at tipoff and throughout the flow of the game. It's like they pick and choose the moments they want to play throughout the game. How many more times are we going to come out and get our ass kicked in the first 5-10 minutes? And I'm not talking about getting blown out, I'm also talking about taking control of the game right away against inferior teams and controlling the game. This team reminds me of the heavyweight fighter that steps in the ring and has to take a few jabs and uppercuts before they are ready to play. Sometimes they recover. Sometimes they don't.

2)I really do think they play with a sense of entitlement. The football team was good, they knew they were good, and they played like they were good and handld business. The football team is young too. The basketball team thinks they are good, thinks they can turn it on when they need to, and before they know it they are down by 20 points and getting their ass kicked by the worst team in the conference. I wonder how much talking Braun and Hale did to UMKC tonight when they were getting their ass kicked?

We just got our ass kicked by the worst team in the conference. That's something to really think about.

[CAS4127]

Ok--join the MVC and we wouldn't lose to teams we shouldn't!!

Predictable??!! Really??! I would say our MBB is pretty effin predictable, actually to the extent of performing exactly like the posts I have made-->hmmmm??! Strange??! NOT!!

Build a new arena and we will win, provided of course, we join the MVC, cuz we wont lose in a better conference.

Nothing personal, not that I care I guess, but WTF man??!!

[silkamilkamonico]

And lack of effort, coaching, etc.
That was one of the worst all around performances I've seen. We were never in the game. I watched this game with an impartial KU fan and his analysis was "disheartening" and "Not encouraging regardless of how the season has gone so far". Some other observations he made:

1) Complete lack of effort and hustle tonight
2) Defensively we are timid and soft and don't move our feet. No help defense.
3) Why doesn't your coach put in your bigs? Do you have more than 1 big man?
4) Why doesn't your coach put in both bigs at the same time?
5) What offense are you running?
6) Why do your guards feel like they need to be dribbling in one spot?
7) Your offense never got inside the free throw line the entire possession
8) Why is your free throw shooting so poor?
9) How can you be getting outplayed so bad? Did the Bison have a game last night?
10) UMKC is by far more agressive, more disciplined and runs an inside-out offense. Their defense is completely pushing your guards out of your offense.
11) Why are you playing your 6'7" kid at the point?
12) Who's the leader on the team?

And there were several more. I'm using his analysis and not mine because mine would be a lot worse.
We got our asses handed to us and it was bad. There's something not quite right with this team internally....I can't put my finger on it but I sensed it watching the team and coaches during timeouts, etc

It's a tough assessment considering Kansas is one of the best coached teams in the country. They struggle at times and piss games away (like Missouri), but you will never see that team play with a lack of effort, heart, desire, or discipline. Self simply doesn't put up with it. Ironic as a diehard Ku fan as well I find myself asking alot fo those same questions, specifically why the bigs cannot play together.

There is no reason IMHO why Bjorklund and Aaberg cannot play together at the same time.

[KSBisonFan]

Bigtime credit to UMKC.....Their kids and coaches showed up to play. They have absolutely the worst college basketball venue/environment and didn't care. All they cared about was beating us. Mission accomplished.

[silkamilkamonico]

Build a new arena and we will win, provided of course, we join the MVC, cuz we wont lose in a better conference.


I am not sure why this keeps getting brought up. Nobody is saying we will win with a new arena. They are saying we will get better players, which is a fact.

[herdmember]

Ok--join the MVC and we wouldn't lose to teams we shouldn't!!

Predictable??!! Really??! I would say our MBB is pretty effin predictable, actually to the extent of performing exactly like the posts I have made-->hmmmm??! Strange??! NOT!!

Build a new arena and we will win, provided of course, we join the MVC, cuz we wont lose in a better conference.

Nothing personal, not that I care I guess, but WTF man??!!

Seriously, read the post again....slowly. I tried to make it obvious that the post was about the team in general and not about this one game, specifically pointing that out. I just didn't want to create another 'here's what's wrong with the basketball program thread.'

I'll add a 6) Stop with the 'win at home, split the conference games on the road' mantra. This isn't the ACC. When we're playing teams like UMKC/USD in a road trip we should sweep those two games on the road. One game at a time, put all your energy and focus in that one game, and expect to win them all. *

* Note, I'm not talking about just this one game. I'm talking about what I'd personally like to see changed with this basketball program.

[CAS4127]

I am not sure why this keeps getting brought up. Nobody is saying we will win with a new arena. They are saying we will get better players, which is a fact.

Better players??!! WTFr u talking about?? We have incredible talent, according to the so-called BB people. Guess what?!I have seen this team live twice, and I ain't see'in this so-called talent.

Of course tho, I am not in the BB crowd that knows everything BB!

[TheBisonator]

Better players??!! WTFr u talking about?? We have incredible talent, according to the so-called BB people. Guess what?!I have seen this team live twice, and I ain't see'in this so-called talent.

Of course tho, I am not in the BB crowd that knows everything BB!

So do you agree or disagree that recruiting will improve with a renovated arena??

[CAS4127]

@herd: What u

[silkamilkamonico]

Better players??!! WTFr u talking about?? We have incredible talent, according to the so-called BB people. Guess what?!I have seen this team live twice, and I ain't see'in this so-called talent.

Of course tho, I am not in the BB crowd that knows everything BB!

Obviously not, considering all our talent are sophomores or younger. Considering your confusing "new basketball arena = wins, and new basketball arena = betterl players" I won't hold much thought.

DO you know how many priority recruits we have lost out on since becomiong D1 simply because of our arena? Or have you not been following along?

[CAS4127]

Obviously not, considering all our talent are sophomores or younger. Considering your confusing "new basketball arena = wins, and new basketball arena = betterl players" I won't hold much thought.

DO, you know how many priority recruits we have lost out on since becomiong D1 simply because of our arena? Or have you not been following along?

No, I don't know shit, but what I do know, and what most of u FAIL to see, is that these play with no heart, no soul and, resultantly, no passion. Do u know what that means?! Do u understand what results can happen if u do?!

Didn't think so, and neither does this team--just sayin'!!

But, I'm not a BB guy, and would otherwise know nothing about sports, or, if u will, WINNING!!

[CAS4127]

Also, give a link to the source that we have lost a multitude of players because of our facilities!! U have no credible evidence of that broad, unsubstantiated statement-->none, and u know it!!

[North Side]

Also, give a link to the source that we have lost a multitude of players because of our facilities!! U have no credible evidence of that broad, unsubstantiated statement-->none, and u know it!!

ask saul about that

[CAS4127]

ask saul about that

OK, DaveK. Excuses r the epitome of NDSU MBB, and u just proved that.

Oh, Saul, I would love to play here because of the tradition of winning, the integrity of the program, but, but, ur facilities that r only about 3rd beat in the conference, and otherwise better than half of the mid-major teams.

And, there was bitching tonite about how bad UMKC gym was!!

Give a break!!

[silkamilkamonico]

No, I don't know shit, but what I do know, and what most of u FAIL to see, is that these play with no heart, no soul and, resultantly, no passion. Do u know what that means?! Do u understand what results can happen if u do?!

I have been saying this the entire thread. Congratulations on finally catchying up. Why are you regurgitating my posts and trying to call them your own?

[silkamilkamonico]

Also, give a link to the source that we have lost a multitude of players because of our facilities!! U have no credible evidence of that broad, unsubstantiated statement-->none, and u know it!!

Why don't you try catching up on the threads around here over the span of the last 5 years. They're everywhere. I don't need to post any links whatsoever, because I have actually been following along the program, and don't show up to bag on it when times are down like you.

You want credible evidence on recruiting? Try doing a search in this forum. It's everywhere, and if you've been around you would have seen that.

[Bisondan]

But, I'm not a BB guy, and would otherwise know nothing about sports, or, if u will, WINNING!!

[ ] Subtle Reminder
[ ] Subtle Brag
[x] Not so subtle brag

Don't worry CAS, we all remember you. Hard to forget on these boards.

[CAS4127]

Silk, give me one quote from one legit source, from one legit player (at least according to u BB peeps) that dissed us because of facilities.

As far as taking cred for what u supposedly posted, well, don't flatter yourself. All I hear is "talent". All I see is lack of passion and pairs of balls that refuse to lose!!

[56BISON73]

I have been saying this the entire thread. Congratulations on finally catchying up. Why are you regurgitating my posts and trying to call them your own?

CAS actually brought those thoughts to the board after the Moorhead loss but he was told that game didnt mean anything.

[CAS4127]

[ ] Subtle Reminder
[ ] Subtle Brag
[x] Not so subtle brag

Don't worry CAS, we all remember you. Hard to forget on these boards.

OK, Bdan, u got it nailed!!

[silkamilkamonico]

Silk, give me one quote from one legit source, from one legit player (at least according to u BB peeps) that dissed us because of facilities.

As far as taking cred for what u supposedly posted, well, don't flatter yourself. All I hear is "talent". All I see is lack of passion and pairs of balls that refuse to lose!!

I've done the work following along over the last 5 years. Now it's your turn.

[silkamilkamonico]

CAS actually brought those thoughts to the board after the Moorhead loss but he was told that game didnt mean anything.

You mean he showed up to bag on the team when times were down?

Shocking.

[CAS4127]

You mean he showed up to bag on the team when times were down?

Shocking.

U got it, save the Woody run!!

Don't misinterpret, I have no personal gripe with u. I am just not willing to compromise my position that NDSU MBB should be better than this!! I want that. Y would I not, or, better yet, do u really think I want them to perform poorly?!

That's not how I operate when it comes to NDSU-->not an option!!

[56BISON73]

You mean he showed up to bag on the team when times were down?

Shocking.

Fact is they shouldnt have lost. But we were told the game meant nothing so how could it be down times? If it meant nothing that IS?

I just brought those fact to the discussion after you said CAS was regurgitating your posts which he clearly isnt.

[Bisondan]

Silk,

I support those in section 21 (mainly Bisonguy1 and the two California dimes that sit a few rows in front of him) who actually stand up and make some noise. I wish section 21 could rid itself of the famed knitters such as CAS and TransAm who spend the majority of the game posting on bisonville about how they could call a better game than Vigen.

With all that said, I have to agree with CAS. This team has absolutely NO talent on it.

Barring an act of God, such as Carson Wentz suiting up for the Summit tourney, I cannot imagine this team making it to the semi's.

[TheBisonator]

U got it, save the Woody run!!

Don't misinterpret, I have no personal gripe with u. I am just not willing to compromise my position that NDSU MBB should be better than this!! I want that. Y would I not, or, better yet, do u really think I want them to perform poorly?!

That's not how I operate when it comes to NDSU-->not an option!!

Do you think any of us want them to perform poorly?? I was just as pissed tonight as you were, probably more so. And I DO believe this team is currently on a downslope. Now is the time to figure out why that is the case and what to do to reverse it.

I want to once again see the team that ripped off a 6-0 start in Nov./December.

[silkamilkamonico]

Fact is they shouldnt have lost. But we were told the game meant nothing so how could it be down times? If it meant nothing that IS?

I just brought those fact to the discussion after you said CAS was regurgitating your posts which he clearly isnt.

Did the game count in the standings? I am not seeing a loss registered by MSU Moorhead in their record. Absolutely ridiculous considering how basketball works. Besides, I do not see those posts so they might not even exist.

[silkamilkamonico]

Silk,

With all that said, I have to agree with CAS. This team has absolutely NO talent on it.
.

This is where you are wrong. This team has no heart at times. If they had no talent, they would not have won 15 games. They certainly did not win 15 games by outcoaching, and outhustling their way to wins.

Talnet is the only thing this team does have, and it's pissing that right down the toilet.

[Bisondan]

This is where you are wrong. This team has no heart at times. If they had no talent, they would not have won 15 games. They certainly did not win 15 games by outcoaching, and outhustling their way to wins.

Talnet is the only thing this team does have, and it's pissing that right down the toilet.

Let me get serious for a BRIEF second,

What this team lacks is a SINGLE player who can create his own shot. They don't have a true scorer on this team.

[silkamilkamonico]

Let me get serious for a BRIEF second,

What this team lacks is a SINGLE player who can create his own shot. They don't have a true scorer on this team.

This does not mean they don't have talent. There's a plethora of teams ranked in the top 25 who don't have a true scorer. Do they not have any talent either?

[NDSUstudent]

The BSA has nothing to do with this loss, we played poorly and got our ass kicked. End of story. It was completely unacceptable, it was the worst loss of the season.

LA was really off his game, we need him to play well..especially on the road. But really some of this was just effort, UMKC wanted it more and it showed all game long. Not sure if it was just one of those nights or what happened.

[silkamilkamonico]

The BSA has nothing to do with this loss, we played poorly and got our ass kicked. End of story. It was completely unacceptable, it was the worst loss of the season.

LA was really off his game, we need him to play well..especially on the road. But really some of this was just effort, UMKC wanted it more and it showed all game long. Not sure if it was just one of those nights or what happened.

We seem to have alot of those nights lately. Definitely becoming a concern.

Good teams do not get their ass kicked by the worst team in the conference. We just are not a good team right now.

[jacks1]

We seem to have alot of those nights lately. Definitely becoming a concern.

Good teams do not get their ass kicked by the worst team in the conference. We just are not a good team right now.

I feel your pain...but again, there are no must wins until March 3 (or 4th). ANYTHING can happen come tourney time.

[silkamilkamonico]

I feel your pain...

At least your guys showed some resilience in making a game out of it. Not so much with our guys.

[56BISON73]

At least your guys showed some resilience in making a game out of it. Not so much with our guys.

Being alittle tough on them in down times arent you? Im shocked.:facepalm2:

[NDSUstudent]

We seem to have alot of those nights lately. Definitely becoming a concern.

Good teams do not get their ass kicked by the worst team in the conference. We just are not a good team right now.

Well I thought we were done with this...we beat Oakland on the road, crushed SUU and gave ORU a fight. I want to say it was just an off night, I guess I'll let the USD game be the judge.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

This has nothing to do with this game....

But our guys need to learn how to set a screen, they barely get a body on a guy they make a poor attempt and then just move out of the way basically. That could be part of our problem? Braun needs to attack the basket a lot more imo, didn't watch tonight so can't say what he did or didn't do?

[herdmember]

CAS actually brought those thoughts to the board after the Moorhead loss but he was told that game didnt mean anything.

Let's be clear about what CAS said after the MSUM game that other Bison fans took exception to.

"There is another thread titled embarrassing--nothin to do with NDSU MBB, but point is same. Join the two--and this loss is yet another reason I will never be a fan of what is loser NDSU MBB at NDSU for as long as I have known!"

Which CAS subsequently and in my mind impressively apologized for and then was apparently going to make a conscious effort to support and follow the Bison hoops team (which wasn't necessary, but was a nice gesture). He seemed to be doing great for awhile even attending the UND game and one other game, but now the perception is that he is back to coming around after a Bison hoops loss to remind everyone how he told the Bison basketball crew this team stinks, and how the Bison basketball crowd make excuses, have a loser mentality, etc. For the extra special losses we're even treated to 56Bison73 virtually pointing over his shoulder at us and saying "yeah, what he said, what he said!"

My guess is that this isn't how you guys want to come across. Maybe you want us to give the Bison football team their just due. If that's the case, you're preaching to the choir. See, 99% of diehard Bison basketball fans are just as diehard about football if not more. I personally went to 12 football games this year and watched the others on TV. I'm guessing most other fans that post on the basketball board have similar stories. The only difference is they are also passionate about hoops. There is no exclusive club or crowd. There is a TON of room on the bandwagon if anyone wants to ride the roller coaster of ups and downs with the people that enjoy the hoops team. No one on this Bison hoops board knows me personally. All I've done to qualify myself for posting on the Bisonville basketball board is follow the team as a fan. I am not a hoops expert whatsoever nor am I an NDSU VIP, far from it. Just a fan.

Maybe the point you're trying to make is that NDSU shouldn't accept or be happy with losing, regardless of the sport. If that's the point you're trying to make, I think most of us can agree with that.

Maybe you'd rather see fundraising money go towards the football team than the BSA and that is why the facilities/arena/gym buzzwords always draw an argument. I'm guessing most basketball fans here would love to see the BSA done first, and then all of our facilities would be up to par so we can turn our attention back to football improvements.

I honestly just want to understand what the motive is. I can tell you that from my side, the perception is that the only time I see a couple of you on the basketball board is to rub in a loss, similar to what you'd expect from a rival school. I have enough respect for you guys as former players and fellow Bison fans to believe that's not the real motive. So truthfully, what's the motive?

PS - I can't reiterate strongly enough that my post about things I'd like to improve about the basketball program were not specific to this loss. I never said we lost tonight because of any of those reasons. Did that belong in the GDT thread? Maybe not, but I just want to be clear. I am really happy with Saul's recruiting.

[KC Bison]

This was the worst basketball game I have ever watched. This will definitely be the only Bison game I will see this year. I certainly won't drive to Sioux Falls now. I was embarassed that I brought my son to the game. We couldn't hit a shot, they couldn't miss a three pointer. We looked slow. We made their guards look like Ben Woodside copies ast night. We sat a few rows behind the bench and watched the team. I know Saul never gets too worked up but I thought we might get some reaction from him about his team's play. Other than a few words with the ref, he seemed resigned to a defeat last night.

Am wondering if the conference has some rules about who sits right behind the opposition's bench? There were a couple of rows of UMKC students sitting right behind our bench. They were really calling out our players by name and finally as Lawrence came off the floor, he flipped them off. I can't say I blame him but it showed his concentration on the game was gone. Of course, this really fired out the students and they were on him hard the rest of the night.

[KSBisonFan]

This was the worst basketball game I have ever watched. This will definitely be the only Bison game I will see this year. I certainly won't drive to Sioux Falls now. I was embarassed that I brought my son to the game. We couldn't hit a shot, they couldn't miss a three pointer. We looked slow. We made their guards look like Ben Woodside copies ast night. We sat a few rows behind the bench and watched the team. I know Saul never gets too worked up but I thought we might get some reaction from him about his team's play. Other than a few words with the ref, he seemed resigned to a defeat last night.

Am wondering if the conference has some rules about who sits right behind the opposition's bench? There were a couple of rows of UMKC students sitting right behind our bench. They were really calling out our players by name and finally as Lamar came off the floor, he flipped them off. I can't say I blame him but it showed his concentration on the game was gone. Of course, this really fired out the students and they were on him hard the rest of the night.
It was definitely embarrassing. Last night, I kept thinking to myself Saul needs to fly off the handle, get T'd up and tossed from that game just to show there was some life on that bench. Try to light a fire in the players. Absolutely nothing to lose. We didn't have any emotion and no chance of winning the game. There was a play where LA was taking a shot right in front of the Bison bench and got anhilated by a UMKC player......no whistle. Great opportunity to show some fire.
Fundamentally, we were terrible. No physicality at all. Too much dribbling at the top of the key. No threat of an inside game. Drove the baseline under the backboard countless times. Everyone parked behind the 3 pt line the entire possession. They had 1 player who could beat us (and nearly did in Fargo) and we didn't have a plan to stop him. The guy I watched the game with asked me if we have a weight program for our players because we look small-bodied and soft.....we didn't even finish off screens because there might be contact. UMKC spread their offense, passed inside until we collapsed and kicked it out for wide open 3's all night. If we want to shoot 3's all night, the offense needs to start in the paint. Ughhh, I'm still deflated from that game and the lack of effort.

[KC Bison]

Didn't seem like we could get a pass completely into the middle all night.

[silkamilkamonico]

Being alittle tough on them in down times arent you? Im shocked.:facepalm2:

Considering I've been around giving praise to the team when they have played well, you have a terrible argument going for yourself here.

[KSBisonFan]

Didn't seem like we could get a pass completely into the middle all night.
I agree....it looked like they were half fronting Marshall and sagging a help guy behind him to prevent the lob. Ball reversal and flashing some guys high and low may have opened it up. When he was open, our guards were busy dribbling and not ready to pass. Marshall sat the bench most of the 2nd half and Aaberg didn't see the floor til very late in the game so our inside game was nonexistent.

[silkamilkamonico]

Well I thought we were done with this...we beat Oakland on the road, crushed SUU and gave ORU a fight. I want to say it was just an off night, I guess I'll let the USD game be the judge.

Yea I agree. They can certainly make a run in the Summit and completely change the perception of the up and downs of the season much like the football team did last year.

But good grief this was just disappointing.

[Bison03]

http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little-Sky-Falling.jpg

[CAS4127]

Let's be clear about what CAS said after the MSUM game that other Bison fans took exception to.

"There is another thread titled embarrassing--nothin to do with NDSU MBB, but point is same. Join the two--and this loss is yet another reason I will never be a fan of what is loser NDSU MBB at NDSU for as long as I have known!"

Which CAS subsequently and in my mind impressively apologized for and then was apparently going to make a conscious effort to support and follow the Bison hoops team (which wasn't necessary, but was a nice gesture). He seemed to be doing great for awhile even attending the UND game and one other game, but now the perception is that he is back to coming around after a Bison hoops loss to remind everyone how he told the Bison basketball crew this team stinks, and how the Bison basketball crowd make excuses, have a loser mentality, etc. For the extra special losses we're even treated to 56Bison73 virtually pointing over his shoulder at us and saying "yeah, what he said, what he said!"

My guess is that this isn't how you guys want to come across. Maybe you want us to give the Bison football team their just due. If that's the case, you're preaching to the choir. See, 99% of diehard Bison basketball fans are just as diehard about football if not more. I personally went to 12 football games this year and watched the others on TV. I'm guessing most other fans that post on the basketball board have similar stories. The only difference is they are also passionate about hoops. There is no exclusive club or crowd. There is a TON of room on the bandwagon if anyone wants to ride the roller coaster of ups and downs with the people that enjoy the hoops team. No one on this Bison hoops board knows me personally. All I've done to qualify myself for posting on the Bisonville basketball board is follow the team as a fan. I am not a hoops expert whatsoever nor am I an NDSU VIP, far from it. Just a fan.

Maybe the point you're trying to make is that NDSU shouldn't accept or be happy with losing, regardless of the sport. If that's the point you're trying to make, I think most of us can agree with that.

Maybe you'd rather see fundraising money go towards the football team than the BSA and that is why the facilities/arena/gym buzzwords always draw an argument. I'm guessing most basketball fans here would love to see the BSA done first, and then all of our facilities would be up to par so we can turn our attention back to football improvements.

I honestly just want to understand what the motive is. I can tell you that from my side, the perception is that the only time I see a couple of you on the basketball board is to rub in a loss, similar to what you'd expect from a rival school. I have enough respect for you guys as former players and fellow Bison fans to believe that's not the real motive. So truthfully, what's the motive?

PS - I can't reiterate strongly enough that my post about things I'd like to improve about the basketball program were not specific to this loss. I never said we lost tonight because of any of those reasons. Did that belong in the GDT thread? Maybe not, but I just want to be clear. I am really happy with Saul's recruiting.

First, let me say this. I followed along on this thread last night for the entire game without commenting. Then, after we lost, I saw what I thought were excuses flying AGAIN, so a made one simple post after someone said, "Well, ORU lost too" or something to that effect. I posted, "Well, there's are excuse." I posted that just as food for thought, meaing, "Do we really want to continue making excuses for this team". Well, I immediately started getting ripped, and, when that happens, you can bet the last dollar you spend at Whataburger that I am coming in and I am not going just go lay by my dish and wimper.

Now, to answer some of the questions posed and to add a bit more on my feelings about this.

First, I think it is BS and myopic for people to suggest that fans like me aren't "qualified" to post or otherwise make comments about the BB team because we haven't been "regular" posters in BB threads. I say BS. As I mentioned in another thread, I have been following NDSU BB for more years than some of you have been on this earth. Also, I do no just a bit about BB. In fact, I used to coach at Irv's summer BB camps. As an example, after the UND game, I posted that we are not very serious/good at setting screens, in that we don't really put a body on the defender--instead, we basically move out of the way before any contact is made by the defender. Guess what? I see that same sort of comment made by many so-called BB fans IN THIS VERY THREAD.

As for my motivation for posting in BB threads, it is because I am a passionate fan of ALL NDSU athletics. I don't come here to diss the MBB team. My posts generally point out we have to quit making excuses for this team, not only this year, but in all years. Some say we are young? I say, REALLY?? By now, these players have played in more games (including road games) than the sophmore players on the FB team, and many of our young athletes in track and field. Hell, they are closer to being jr's than sophomore's as things stand. Are they going to turn magically into disciplined, high intensity players in the off season?? I don't know but I hope so.

Also, to suggest that I posted here to say, "See, I told you so" should go in the preposterous statement thread. That may how you think I think, but it ain't even close to reality. And, BDan, you can GFY for the post you made. You know why??!! Because you are sitting behind a keyboard trying to be a smartass, but don't have big enough--if any--balls to let people know who you are. I have never hidden who I am, nor have several others. Again, you apparently interpret my posts as though I feel I am more important than you or others, and, again, THAT'S HOW YOU THINK I FEEL, when in reality, you are dead effing wrong. Do you understand that concept??!! An example would be for me to think that the so-called, self-proclaimed BB fans attempting to stifle those who they don't think fall into that same category indicates arrogance. Well, suprise, I don't think that way.

[HoopsBison]

Losing sucks...

[SDbison]

http://disney-clipart.com/Chicken-Little/Disney-Chicken-Little-Sky-Falling.jpg YES IT IS..................! Only most of us know it already and don't need to look up to see it coming.

[SDbison]

First, let me say this. I followed along on this thread last night for the entire game without commenting. Then, after we lost, I saw what I thought were excuses flying AGAIN, so a made one simple post after someone said, "Well, ORU lost too" or something to that effect. I posted, "Well, there's are excuse." I posted that just as food for thought, meaing, "Do we really want to continue making excuses for this team". Well, I immediately started getting ripped, and, when that happens, you can bet the last dollar you spend at Whataburger that I am coming in and I am not going just go lay by my dish and wimper.

Now, to answer some of the questions posed and to add a bit more on my feelings about this.

First, I think it is BS and myopic for people to suggest that fans like me aren't "qualified" to post or otherwise make comments about the BB team because we haven't been "regular" posters in BB threads. I say BS. As I mentioned in another thread, I have been following NDSU BB for more years than some of you have been on this earth. Also, I do no just a bit about BB. In fact, I used to coach at Irv's summer BB camps. As an example, after the UND game, I posted that we are not very serious/good at setting screens, in that we don't really put a body on the defender--instead, we basically move out of the way before any contact is made by the defender. Guess what? I see that same sort of comment made by many so-called BB fans IN THIS VERY THREAD.

As for my motivation for posting in BB threads, it is because I am a passionate fan of ALL NDSU athletics. I don't come here to diss the MBB team. My posts generally point out we have to quit making excuses for this team, not only this year, but in all years. Some say we are young? I say, REALLY?? By now, these players have played in more games (including road games) than the sophmore players on the FB team, and many of our young athletes in track and field. Hell, they are closer to being jr's than sophomore's as things stand. Are they going to turn magically into disciplined, high intensity players in the off season?? I don't know but I hope so.

Also, to suggest that I posted here to say, "See, I told you so" should go in the preposterous statement thread. That may how you think I think, but it ain't even close to reality. And, BDan, you can GFY for the post you made. You know why??!! Because you are sitting behind a keyboard trying to be a smartass, but don't have big enough--if any--balls to let people know who you are. I have never hidden who I am, nor have several others. Again, you apparently interpret my posts as though I feel I am more important than you or others, and, again, THAT'S HOW YOU THINK I FEEL, when in reality, you are dead effing wrong. Do you understand that concept??!! An example would be for me to think that the so-called, self-proclaimed BB fans attempting to stifle those who they don't think fall into that same category indicates arrogance. Well, suprise, I don't think that way. AMEN Brother!

[56BISON73]

First, let me say this. I followed along on this thread last night for the entire game without commenting. Then, after we lost, I saw what I thought were excuses flying AGAIN, so a made one simple post after someone said, "Well, ORU lost too" or something to that effect. I posted, "Well, there's are excuse." I posted that just as food for thought, meaing, "Do we really want to continue making excuses for this team". Well, I immediately started getting ripped, and, when that happens, you can bet the last dollar you spend at Whataburger that I am coming in and I am not going just go lay by my dish and wimper.



Now, to answer some of the questions posed and to add a bit more on my feelings about this.

First, I think it is BS and myopic for people to suggest that fans like me aren't "qualified" to post or otherwise make comments about the BB team because we haven't been "regular" posters in BB threads. I say BS. As I mentioned in another thread, I have been following NDSU BB for more years than some of you have been on this earth. Also, I do no just a bit about BB. In fact, I used to coach at Irv's summer BB camps. As an example, after the UND game, I posted that we are not very serious/good at setting screens, in that we don't really put a body on the defender--instead, we basically move out of the way before any contact is made by the defender. Guess what? I see that same sort of comment made by many so-called BB fans IN THIS VERY THREAD.

As for my motivation for posting in BB threads, it is because I am a passionate fan of ALL NDSU athletics. I don't come here to diss the MBB team. My posts generally point out we have to quit making excuses for this team, not only this year, but in all years. Some say we are young? I say, REALLY?? By now, these players have played in more games (including road games) than the sophmore players on the FB team, and many of our young athletes in track and field. Hell, they are closer to being jr's than sophomore's as things stand. Are they going to turn magically into disciplined, high intensity players in the off season?? I don't know but I hope so.

Also, to suggest that I posted here to say, "See, I told you so" should go in the preposterous statement thread. That may how you think I think, but it ain't even close to reality. And, BDan, you can GFY for the post you made. You know why??!! Because you are sitting behind a keyboard trying to be a smartass, but don't have big enough--if any--balls to let people know who you are. I have never hidden who I am, nor have several others. Again, you apparently interpret my posts as though I feel I am more important than you or others, and, again, THAT'S HOW YOU THINK I FEEL, when in reality, you are dead effing wrong. Do you understand that concept??!! An example would be for me to think that the so-called, self-proclaimed BB fans attempting to stifle those who they don't think fall into that same category indicates arrogance. Well, suprise, I don't think that way.

Thank you!!!!!

[ndsubison1]

CAS actually brought those thoughts to the board after the Moorhead loss but he was told that game didnt mean anything.

it didnt mean anything

[ndsubison1]

This was the worst basketball game I have ever watched. This will definitely be the only Bison game I will see this year. I certainly won't drive to Sioux Falls now. I was embarassed that I brought my son to the game. We couldn't hit a shot, they couldn't miss a three pointer. We looked slow. We made their guards look like Ben Woodside copies ast night. We sat a few rows behind the bench and watched the team. I know Saul never gets too worked up but I thought we might get some reaction from him about his team's play. Other than a few words with the ref, he seemed resigned to a defeat last night.

Am wondering if the conference has some rules about who sits right behind the opposition's bench? There were a couple of rows of UMKC students sitting right behind our bench. They were really calling out our players by name and finally as Lamar came off the floor, he flipped them off. I can't say I blame him but it showed his concentration on the game was gone. Of course, this really fired out the students and they were on him hard the rest of the night.

who is lamar?

[56BISON73]

it didnt mean anything

Obviously that attitude has carried over.

[CAS4127]

it didnt mean anything

If I give you that, ming, will you at least admit the loss was a presage of things to come???!!!

[ndsubison1]

If I give you that, ming, will you at least admit the loss was a presage of things to come???!!!

for this season mostly likely. and yes, this loss was inexcusable!

[NDSUstudent]

who is lamar?

This guy....

http://web.tiscalinet.it/silviodr/javelin-lamar.jpg

[ndsubison1]

actually CAS i dont think it's even a sign of things to come. it's already happening. we've lost 5 of our last 7. we started the year well but we're now obviously struggling. losing to umkc is inexcusable. winning our next 2 will be very tough. usd just beat sdsu at home and i dont see us winning in brookings. like other people have said it's a culmination of things: effort, inconsistency, coaching, youth, toughness. this is not the right time to be losing. february-march is when you need to be playing your best ball. clearly we arent doing that right now.

[56BISON73]

actually CAS i dont think it's even a sign of things to come. it's already happening. we've lost 5 of our last 7. we started the year well but we're now obviously struggling. losing to umkc is inexcusable. winning our next 2 will be very tough. usd just beat sdsu at home and i dont see us winning in brookings. like other people have said it's a culmination of things: effort, inconsistency, coaching, youth, toughness. this is not the right time to be losing. february-march is when you need to be playing you're best ball. clearly we arent doing that right now.

You reap what you sow.

[CAS4127]

actually CAS i dont think it's even a sign of things to come. it's already happening. we've lost 5 of our last 7. we started the year well but we're now obviously struggling. losing to umkc is inexcusable. winning our next 2 will be very tough. usd just beat sdsu at home and i dont see us winning in brookings. like other people have said it's a culmination of things: effort, inconsistency, coaching, youth, toughness. this is not the right time to be losing. february-march is when you need to be playing you're best ball. clearly we arent doing that right now.

I understand what you are saying. What I was saying is that the loss to Moorhead may have been a signal to us of things to come following that loss and into the season, but maybe that's what you're saying to!!

[ndsubison1]

You reap what you sow.

no idea what you are referring to

[Bisondan]

no idea what you are referring to

No one ever does when it comes to our favorite poster from Arkansas

[56BISON73]

no idea what you are referring to

Ask your parents.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Obviously that attitude has carried over.

How so???? We were doing really well came close in MN same at asu and now are in a slump.

I hate when people post in here during bad times but not in the good. (not directed at you Pl but just stating)

[TransAmBison]

How so???? We were doing really well came close in MN same at asu and now are in a slump.

I hate when people post in here during bad times but not in the good. (not directed at you Pl but just stating)At least people are posting in the bad times...just another way to look at it. I have tried to not post during good times in the past as to not come off as a bandwagon fan...

[KSBisonFan]

I've posted in good times and in bad.....IMO early on this team was PLAYING basketball....they didn't know any better. Right now we are over-thinking the game and trying too hard..... I reiterate, there is something going on internally with this team that isn't right.....Maybe if we are lucky, they've hit a wall this time of year since we are young....if we are unlucky, it's something more. I am basing this on seeing the game in person Thursday and watching all the other games on GoBison.com. When I watch a game in person, I watch the coach and I watch body language......Neither was positive in KC.

[CAS4127]

KS: what u say is my concern. Either something internally between the players is going on or Saul doesn't have a handle on this team. Could b somthin' else, but can't put my finger on what that might be!! Help me out if u can. ..

[KSBisonFan]

KS: what u say is my concern. Either something internally between the players is going on or Saul doesn't have a handle on this team. Could b somthin' else, but can't put my finger on what that might be!! Help me out if u can. ..
CAS, check your PM

[ndsubison1]

I understand what you are saying. What I was saying is that the loss to Moorhead may have been a signal to us of things to come following that loss and into the season, but maybe that's what you're saying to!!
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Didn't know you were referring specifically to that loss but no I don't think it was a sign of things to come. It woke us up we won what like 6-7 in a row after that and played decent ball heading into January. Now were struggling losing five of last seven its a culmination of things. This team has looked great and looked awful. I hope we can finish with the three seed, we've had chances to surplant that and even give sdsu a lil scare at the 2.they gotta turn this around before we drop much lower

[SlickVic]

dude ming do u still hoop I've been shooting around for the first time in prolly 2 years these last few weeks and not to brag or anything but chea I can still make it rain

[ndsubison1]

Hell yeah slic I ball like four times a week. Lets hoop it up bro

[SlickVic]

Hell yeah slic I ball like four times a week. Lets hoop it up bro

alls I need is a time and place I'm there effin I hit the threes like steve jackson hit the threes like steven jackson say my name whatch yo bitch reaction

[SlickVic]

http://www.youtube.com/results?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&search_query=pimp+c+pourin+up&uploaded=&search_type=videos&nomobile=1

add that one to your I mac ming...proud to say other than the shaq rap back in the say pimp c was the only rap cd I ever had in my car...and my oh my did I use to jam that around campus in the old town car...but imo pimpalation by far best rap lyrics ever or at least some I can actually relate to I just ran out got that cd from my car and jammin dude...warren g first time he hopped in the lincoln I put on pimpalation he said and I quote "thats what's up" best wide out history of ndsu #81 baby big tex

[ndsubisonx]

Ask your parents.

You're an old man talking shit to a 23 year old. Hope you feel better about yourself. Looks like Ming has done a great job getting on your nerves. You rarely bring anything to the table on here other than being a tool, especially on basketball. What the hell do you know about this team or NCAA basketball in general? STFU. Sorry your viagra has stopped working for you

[56BISON73]

You're an old man talking shit to a 23 year old. Hope you feel better about yourself. Looks like Ming has done a great job getting on your nerves. You rarely bring anything to the table on here other than being a tool, especially on basketball. What the hell do you know about this team or NCAA basketball in general? STFU. Sorry your viagra has stopped working for you

Ming and I know each other. We are just giving each other shit. But do carry on and I hope you feel better about yourself after your uninformed outburst.

[unbison]

Uninformed? Your Viagra still working PL I saw the commercial after 4 hrs ur sposed to go see a dr;)

[56BISON73]

Uninformed? Your Viagra still working PL I saw the commercial after 4 hrs ur sposed to go see a dr;)

:rofl: No need for a DR. If it stayed up for 4 hours the wife would kill me. Call the coroner.

[CAS4127]

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Didn't know you were referring specifically to that loss but no I don't think it was a sign of things to come. It woke us up we won what like 6-7 in a row after that and played decent ball heading into January. Now were struggling losing five of last seven its a culmination of things. This team has looked great and looked awful. I hope we can finish with the three seed, we've had chances to surplant that and even give sdsu a lil scare at the 2.they gotta turn this around before we drop much lower

Yes. 2 or 3 would be best so that we stay out of ORU's bracket. Would be nice to go into tourney with a bit of a roll.

[ndsubison1]

well that got a lil outta hand haha. good to see them get a win tonight. a win at sdsu could go a long ways