we are going in the wrong direction

[HerdBot]

I can't figure it out. The women's basketball team was once a powerhouse and many assumed after a few years we would be fielding competitive teams. Instead SDSU continues to do well and now we cannot even compete. We lost to the Gophers 80-40 and were getting blown out home. What's the deal@? Recruiting? players? Coaching? I get the sense were under achieving

[HoopsBison]

I think its a combination of things but we have so many new players on this years team that its going to take awhile for them to gel. We have played pretty tough competition as well. Lets not forget we lost one of our few vets and pg before the season to an ACL injury.

Yes the program has fallen but I dont think its time to go in full panic mode...

[MNBISONCLUB]

Gopher game was very hard to watch. They have beat us up one side and down the other for four years now. FG% for the games was 26.5% and Three pointers 28.6%. When you look at the YTD stats the two most experienced players left are having a tough start. Abby- 9-40 for 22.5% and Jenea 3-14 for 21.4%. I still haven't figured out what the offensive plan is. Bison were trowing up some ugly wild and shots.

[BisonVifte]

They have had a hard time handling good on ball pressure for sometime now. Leading to turnovers and short shot clock by the time they get the ball into the half court.

[BlueKeyAlum]

I think everything touched in this thread is relevant.

Regarding this year's team: We are very young and are having to rely on some very young players at key positions. that makes for growing pains but that could bode well for the future....

except, we have no way of knowing if we're recruiting the ahthletes we need to recruit. At some point you have to ask, is the staff developing these players to their true potential? And if they aren't why aren't they? And if they are, then we need to recruit players with higher ceilings for development. Will we be sitting here two years from now and still be talking about how we're relying on young players? Our current juniors were called on to make contributions when they were frosh and with that expereince, i would think we would have a better product on the court.

I don't live in Fargo, I don't have any inside info into the staff or players but I get the hunch something is going on. The Women's Basketball blog, which in the past has had stories on the team, info pieces, even goofy trivial information on a pretty regular basis hasn't been updated for over a month. There are not a lot of "special interest" stories coming out on GoBison or In-forum. Heck, GoBison barely gets game information out on the site 24 hours prior to the event. I think something's going on and I think the pressure is beiing put on the staff to produce.

[HerdBot]

Seems like we've been young for the last 5 years

[BisoninNWMN]

Seems like we've been young for the last 5 years


Exactly!

It comes down to coaching and recruiting. Wasn't just a few years ago that we had 8-9 players suit up for games? With 15 schollies, that is unacceptable.

I don't know how "loyal" Dorn is with the coaches but IMO, DeHoff has had plenty of time to produce a respectable, consistent winner. This year looks like it will definitely be below .500. Maybe Dorn is OK with mediocre women's BB teams.....

Women's VB, soccer, softball, track and field have all had success at D1....women's BB has languished in mediocrity at the same time.

It would be interesting to here from someone that goes to a lot of games and get their honest opinion of this team so far. Looking at highlights of games from TV sports, it looks like the talent level is not where it should be....maybe I'm wrong.

[roadwarrior]

You are not wrong.

[Gully]

IMO it's a real shame because North Dakota fans will actually go watch a good women's basketball program. When I was in college the attendance seemed pretty much the same as the men's games. If they could build a winner again, I truly believe they would get great support. Then it really starts to snowball....."hey high school recruit, do you want to play at XX school in from of 534 fans or at NDSU in front of 5,123 fans?"

[BisoninNWMN]

IMO it's a real shame because North Dakota fans will actually go watch a good women's basketball program. When I was in college the attendance seemed pretty much the same as the men's games. If they could build a winner again, I truly believe they would get great support. Then it really starts to snowball....."hey high school recruit, do you want to play at XX school in from of 534 fans or at NDSU in front of 5,123 fans?"



Exactly.

When I was at NDSU, late 80s and early 90s, the women's BB games that I went to were awesome. Those teams had talent at D2.....IMO, those teams could beat any D1 team we have fielded so far. The women's BB program should be a consistent Summit league power, not a glimpse once every 5-6 years.

IMO, if this year turns into a sub .500 year with poor effort, then it is time to go in a new direction with coaching.

roadwarrior....you go to women's games.....Do they have the talent to be successful this year?

[ndsubison1]

coach has got to be on the hot seat. if they dont see any improvement in conference play/conference tourney something needs to be done

[Bison bison]

Whatever magic we had under Ruley is gone.

[56BISON73]

Whatever magic we had under Ruley is gone.

Wasnt it gone before Ruley left?

[BisonVifte]

Wasnt it gone before Ruley left?

Yes it was.

[standingrockbison]

there are some talented girls out in western north dakota with the mandan teams, not too many girls from this area are there?

[Elephants Dream?]

"we are going in the wrong direction "
Absolutely !

[4mcruenomore]

I'm not up on basketball that much, and certainly not women's basketball. But, I do watch the scores and a game here and there, enough to know we aren't very good. Do we have any local talent on the team?

[Bison_since_Birth]

starting SHOULD be:
Danielle Muri
Abby Plucker
Dani DeGagne
Catavia Jones
Janae Burich

The reason this line is because they play defense (turnovers, rebound, tipped passes, shot clock violations) and the 1-4 positions play physical. We sub way to much, no one can prove themselves after a foul or turnover without threat of substitution.

[imabison]

starting SHOULD be:
Danielle Muri
Abby Plucker
Dani DeGagne
Catavia Jones
Janae Burich

The reason this line is because they play defense (turnovers, rebound, tipped passes, shot clock violations) and the 1-4 positions play physical. We sub way to much, no one can prove themselves after a foul or turnover without threat of substitution.add Muri to the walking wounded or not dressed 23 to 8 bison 10 tp go in the half

[Tatanka]

coach has got to be on the hot seat. if they dont see any improvement in conference play/conference tourney something needs to be done

The rumblings have started.

[imabison]

The rumblings have started.on the board a cosch could be undefeated
And that comment could apply. NDSU 47 VCSU 19 halftime

[Tatanka]

on the board a cosch could be undefeated
And that comment could apply. NDSU 47 VCSU 19 halftime

I'm not talking about on the board.

[HerdBot]

Lost again.

If SDSU can put together a great program, there is no reason we can't. We can use the BSA as an excuse but the men's basketball team has been better than SDSU.

I agree changes need to be made. Were not recruiting well and not coaching well. SDSU is better in every facet and that is unacceptable.

[MN_BISON]

1221

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/1_a14.jpg

[bisonmike2]

I always thought the program was more of a train wreck lately than a bus crash, but either way it's not good.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/343245/

[HandoEX]

FIRE THE COACH! This is getting out of hand and it's only nine games into the season.

[Bison bison]

I'll call it.

The show is over.

[Castor Troy]

Lynn has made some great hires for women's athletics, but every once in a while someone with a great resume' that actually isn't very good in reality comes along and she bites hook, line and sinker. I can't remember names, but the 2 v-ball coaches before Hinterstocker were all hat and no cattle. It looks like DeHoff is going down that same path.

Gene's done it once with Giacolletti (sp).

[mango]

on the board a cosch could be undefeated
And that comment could apply. NDSU 47 VCSU 19 halftime

Good job, you beat up on Valley City State :facepalm2:

Please tell my the Bison women's basketball team has higher goals than beating VCSU

[Twentysix]

Good job, you beat up on Valley City State :facepalm2:

Please tell my the Bison women's basketball team has higher goals than beating VCSU

Nope, lofty goals are not a thing for the state of north dakota.

[bisoneer]

Yep, time for a change, this program has lost a lot of respect and it is a shame really after all the notoriety it had in DII it really is a shame.
Adious coaches... need new leadership and more talent.

[JSUBison]

WBB has been the biggest failure in DI. Every other sport has either gone to postseason, or has been respectable. Baseball is the only other sport that comes close, but they can be forgiven somewhat as they always seem to open up with 20-30 games in a row on the road to start the season because of weather. Also think that baseball isn't even fully funded yet, not sure.

[BisoninNWMN]

If Dorn keeps DeHoff here after this year....she should go to.

[Castor Troy]

WBB has been the biggest failure in DI. Every other sport has either gone to postseason, or has been respectable. Baseball is the only other sport that comes close, but they can be forgiven somewhat as they always seem to open up with 20-30 games in a row on the road to start the season because of weather. Also think that baseball isn't even fully funded yet, not sure.

When we decided to make the move to division I, the teams that I thought would make a seamless transition was WBB and wrestling. Wrong and wrong!

[BisoninNWMN]

When we decided to make the move to division I, the teams that I thought would make a seamless transition was WBB and wrestling. Wrong and wrong!


Wrestling is coming around now. Wrestling is a different animal compared to any other sport here. There is Minnesota-Iowa-Iowa State...even Wisconsin here in the region taking the best wrestlers.

NDSU wrestling will be a legit D1 program....in fact, IMO, they will become a top 10-20 team real soon. Wrestling has the potential to become the "best" program in the athletic program. We have 2 or 3 wrestlers right now that have legit chances of becoming All-Americans.

[NDSUstudent]

The woes continue NDSU 41 UNI 60

[Elephants Dream?]

I missed most of tonights radio pre-game.
Was there any mention of the change in starting lineup?

Another night of turnovers, & points to UNI because of it.
Bison couldn't hit the broad side of the barn from the free throw line.
Miserable FG percentage. 41 points won't get it done. :(

[roadwarrior]

I missed most of tonights radio pre-game.
Was there any mention of the change in starting lineup?

You are assuming someone listened.

[Elephants Dream?]

Am I the last remaining WBB fan?
Sadly, even my enthusiasm is waining..........

[BisonVifte]

Well still going to the games, but sadly mostly because I have season tickets.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Am I the last remaining WBB fan?
Sadly, even my enthusiasm is waining..........

yes. you are.

[snowman]

Is the problem coaching, players or both? The team seems to lack chemistry. I think Dehoff better shake up things right now, 2-8 isn't going to cut it. If she has something she hasn't tried, she better do it now or she can say good-bye.

[rabidrabbit]

As a rabid rabbit fan, it pains me to see NDSU so bad. Does the injury excuse get DeHoff more time, or is this program need a lift, maybe even mid-season?

Can't sse how a team with as many D-II WBB titles as NDSU is just pathetic now in D-I. SDSU were once like the NDSU women, and kept the same coach, but that is SDSU montra, not NDSU's. Although SDSU did can their softball coach after another downer season.

Keep Dehoff, and Bison will continue to be out-recruited and played in the Summit league. Given the success of virtually every other sport at NDSU, can't see where such lack of success, and 3 or 4 years to change, but to no avail would be tolerated.

[imabison]

Is the problem coaching, players or both? The team seems to lack chemistry. I think Dehoff better shake up things right now, 2-8 isn't going to cut it. If she has something she hasn't tried, she better do it now or she can say good-bye.the appearance of Lopez could not hurt, when will she be ready???

[snowman]

she might not be the answer, hasn't played any ball in years. the hardest and longest part of the schedule is after christmas, saddle up, its going to be a long ride!

[HerdBot]

WBB has been the biggest failure in DI. Every other sport has either gone to postseason, or has been respectable. Baseball is the only other sport that comes close, but they can be forgiven somewhat as they always seem to open up with 20-30 games in a row on the road to start the season because of weather. Also think that baseball isn't even fully funded yet, not sure.

Baseball has the excuse that they didn't have many scholarship players. Now that is changing and the team is improving. What is the excuse for WBB? Why can Saul put together a solid team with the same crappy facilities? SDSU stole our mojo. The program has gone in the toilet.

[HerdBot]

As a rabid rabbit fan, it pains me to see NDSU so bad. Does the injury excuse get DeHoff more time, or is this program need a lift, maybe even mid-season?

Can't sse how a team with as many D-II WBB titles as NDSU is just pathetic now in D-I. SDSU were once like the NDSU women, and kept the same coach, but that is SDSU montra, not NDSU's. Although SDSU did can their softball coach after another downer season.

Keep Dehoff, and Bison will continue to be out-recruited and played in the Summit league. Given the success of virtually every other sport at NDSU, can't see where such lack of success, and 3 or 4 years to change, but to no avail would be tolerated.

In all fairness Amy Ruley was our coach for almost 30 years. She only coched 1 year in the Summitt and took 2nd place. I t hink the travel issues of not having a conference along with cancer made her retire a few years too soon. That's tough shoes to fill but we can do better than this.

North Dakota State (North Central Conference) (1979–2006)
1979–1980 North Dakota State 14-15 0-0 4th
1980–1981 North Dakota State 19-12 0-0 5th Region
1981–1982 North Dakota State 22-10 0-0 2nd 4th
1982–1983 North Dakota State 16-10 0-0 3rd
1983–1984 North Dakota State 15-12 0-0 4th
1984–1985 North Dakota State 19-8 0-0 4th
1985–1986 North Dakota State 24-9 0-0 2nd 2nd
1986–1987 North Dakota State 26-4 0-0 1st t-5th
1987–1988 North Dakota State 28-3 0-0 1st t-3rd
1988–1989 North Dakota State 23-7 0-0 1st Region
1989–1990 North Dakota State 25-5 0-0 2nd Region
1990–1991 North Dakota State 31-2 0-0 2nd 1st
1991–1992 North Dakota State 29-4 0-0 1st 2nd
1992–1993 North Dakota State 30-2 0-0 1st 1st
1993–1994 North Dakota State 27-5 0-0 2nd 1st
1994–1995 North Dakota State 32-0 0-0 1st 1st
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1996–1997 North Dakota State 28-1 0-0 1st Region
1997–1998 North Dakota State 22-6 0-0 2nd Region
1998–1999 North Dakota State 24-5 0-0 2nd Region
1999–2000 North Dakota State 28-4 0-0 1st 2nd
2000–2001 North Dakota State 25-8 0-0 2nd Region
2001–2002 North Dakota State 18-10 0-0 t-3rd
2002–2003 North Dakota State 26-7 0-0 t-3rd Region
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2006–2007 North Dakota State 14-11 0-0
North Dakota State (The Summit League) (2007–present)
2007–2008 North Dakota State 17-11 12-6 T2nd

[HoopsBison]

Embarrassing.... is really the only word that comes to mind when i think of our women BB program right now. Sad too, because it use to be a pretty big deal.

[snowman]

our team needs to stay positive and focused. they are under alot of pressure as well as all of the coaches. good coaching jobs are not easy to find, good players are not easy to find either. I look to Dehoff to pull this season out, "the strenght of the herd is the bison and the strenght of the bison is the herd"

[Elephants Dream?]

I think it is highly unlikely that coach will "pull this season out".
She has had over a year to work to beat the pressure defense, and still
the team can't do it.
Not enough 'horsepower' these days to be in the top tier of the Summit.
No urgency when they are behind at the end of a game.
Early in the Duquesne game the Dukes were behind 4 - 14. Their coach made
changes, while Dehoff didn't adjust. Dukes led by halftime.

I'll add that Jenn Lopez may not be able to bring much to the table after being
away from BB for so long. (I hope I'm wrong.)
It is even a possibility that she might not play? It may have been a schollie move?
I have not asked about her playing, purposely keeping my nose out of it.

[BlueKeyAlum]

I think it is highly unlikely that coach will "pull this season out".
She has had over a year to work to beat the pressure defense, and still
the team can't do it.
Not enough 'horsepower' these days to be in the top tier of the Summit.
No urgency when they are behind at the end of a game.
Early in the Duquesne game the Dukes were behind 4 - 14. Their coach made
changes, while Dehoff didn't adjust. Dukes led by halftime.

I'll add that Jenn Lopez may not be able to bring much to the table after being
away from BB for so long. (I hope I'm wrong.)
It is even a possibility that she might not play? It may have been a schollie move?
I have not asked about her playing, purposely keeping my nose out of it.

I would rejoice if you were wrong but I strongly feel you are right on with your estimation of how the Bison will perform this season. I'll go out on a short limb and say leadership changes will be made following the season.

[snowman]

I have hear that the major problem is the girls think Dehoff is a joke. She comes across as a little Hitler to her assistant coaches, no ideas are good unless they are hers. There is nothing about this group of women that says TEAM. I think the bison faithful deserve better than this, get rid of her and lets move on

[herdmember]

How is Marcus Williams' sister doing at UND? If she is good at all, and NDSU didn't offer her a scholarship, that is an embarrassment.

[BlueKeyAlum]

I have hear that the major problem is the girls think Dehoff is a joke. She comes across as a little Hitler to her assistant coaches, no ideas are good unless they are hers. There is nothing about this group of women that says TEAM. I think the bison faithful deserve better than this, get rid of her and lets move on

Not a lot of info coming out of the Bison camp. No special interest stories on gobison, nothing on the womens' basketball blog, nothing in the in-forum. THings are pretty quiet,.....is it the calm before?

[mississippitwins]

Any front runners for Dehoffs replacement?? I think you need a coach with a Minnesota Connection The talent level in Minnesota is 2nd to none.
It’s been SDSU mo for years.

[snowman]

a good recruiter is important. who has Dehoff recruited that has done anything. She has recruits that she has never played, why did she recruit them? just too many things wrong with this program that justify keeping her.

[Answer Guy]

How is Marcus Williams' sister doing at UND? If she is good at all, and NDSU didn't offer her a scholarship, that is an embarrassment.

True freshman, played all 9 games so far. Averaging 14 minutes and 2.7 ppg.

UNI is in town Saturday at 2:00; come and check her out.

[56BISON73]

The assist WBB coach spoke at TM today. She said they are being challenged. Injuries etc. Theu were avg 60+ points a game when they had their shooting pointnguard. They only avg 50+ now. SAID THEY ARE TAKING THEIR KNOCKS EARLY IN THE SEASON WHILE THEY BUILD AND SHOULD BE COMPETETIVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN IT COUNTS.

Sorry for the capps.

[steelbison]

The assist WBB coach spoke at TM today. She said they are being challenged. Injuries etc. Theu were avg 60+ points a game when they had their shooting pointnguard. They only avg 50+ now. SAID THEY ARE TAKING THEIR KNOCKS EARLY IN THE SEASON WHILE THEY BUILD AND SHOULD BE COMPETETIVE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN IT COUNTS.

Sorry for the capps.

Pl thanks for the update. Problem is this is the same story we have heard year after year. I wanted the coach fired after last year. I asked for ONE thing she has done since she's been here to show she is a capable div 1 coach. I'm still waiting. She has ZERO to offer this program and why Lynn let her coach this year is beyond me.

[snowman]

WBB headed into a very tough three game series in Vegas. Lets hope the herd show some improvement. Little steps would be encouraging.

[JackJD]

If I had a vote, here's how I'd like to see a coaching change unfold: Dump DeHoff mid-season, install Jamie Berry as interim and give her a chance to prove herself because I think she has the potential to be the next great coach. I'm concerned that if the coach lasts the entire season and is dumped, the assistants may be dumped with her, allowing a new coach to assemble her own staff.

[snowman]

very interesting idea!! i think the girls like her and would play hard for her. lets face it, its all about how these women mesh, right now there are 3 teams in one. 1=Dehoff 2=rest of the coaches and 3=players. we need one team and one good effort.

[BisoninNWMN]

Pl thanks for the update. Problem is this is the same story we have heard year after year. I wanted the coach fired after last year. I asked for ONE thing she has done since she's been here to show she is a capable div 1 coach. I'm still waiting. She has ZERO to offer this program and why Lynn let her coach this year is beyond me.

This

DeHoff hasn't done much of anything in here years here. Dorn better make a change. Sent my email to her.....

[HerdBot]

The misery continues with a 24 point ass kicking at Kansas State.

[CAS4127]

This

DeHoff hasn't done much of anything in here years here. Dorn better make a change. Sent my email to her.....

I do not want to see any, and I mean ANY distractions whatsoever created by our athletic department between now and January 7th. I think she should be gone, but the WBB program will have to sacrifice for the sake of our FB team for at least another 3 weeks.

[DjKyRo]

On the slightly bright side, Abby Plucker went over the 1000-point mark tonight. Congratulations Abby!

[NDSUFan_Sav]

I didn't even know there was women's college basketball.........painful!

[snowman]

you can see that DeHoff is trying new things, like starting Miki. I just think that our entire program lacks something. Is it leadership or players, more likely a combination of both. When i see that players have played big minutes and scored somewhere around 2-4 pts i wonder whats up. Miki played more than anyone and scored 2 pts, catavia played and scored 0 pts. then you have people sitting on the bench not playing at all. wonder if any of them could score more that 2 pts. I don't think that DeHoff knows what to do with her players.

[Castor Troy]

I do not want to see any, and I mean ANY distractions whatsoever created by our athletic department between now and January 7th. I think she should be gone, but the WBB program will have to sacrifice for the sake of our FB team for at least another 3 weeks.

WBB is such a forgotten program that I really don't think it would be a distraction if she was let go before conference play. However, I don't think they will let her go in the middle of the season since there's nothing fishy going on- just really bad basketball. I can't remember if they let Irv go in the middle of the season or not. Out of respect they may have let him go at the end of the season. They may do the same with DeHoff. It just doesn't seem to be a good fit.

[CAS4127]

WBB is such a forgotten program that I really don't think it would be a distraction if she was let go before conference play. However, I don't think they will let her go in the middle of the season since there's nothing fishy going on- just really bad basketball. I can't remember if they let Irv go in the middle of the season or not. Out of respect they may have let him go at the end of the season. They may do the same with DeHoff. It just doesn't seem to be a good fit.

Irv didn't go anywhere. They wrapped up a nice little present with a bow on top for his with and Assistant AD job offer inside. I believe that resulted in him stepping down after whenever his last season was. Rocky is about the only coach to actually be let go without any strings remaining attached, and look what happened to the douche who did it!!

[BlueKeyAlum]

you can see that DeHoff is trying new things, like starting Miki. I just think that our entire program lacks something. Is it leadership or players, more likely a combination of both. When i see that players have played big minutes and scored somewhere around 2-4 pts i wonder whats up. Miki played more than anyone and scored 2 pts, catavia played and scored 0 pts. then you have people sitting on the bench not playing at all. wonder if any of them could score more that 2 pts. I don't think that DeHoff knows what to do with her players.

Being a capable judge of talent is a skill/talent that I think escapes the current staff. Also, does the coaching staff have a system in place so they know what type of player can develope in their particular gameplan. I don't think we have a ssytem. SoDakSt has "a system" where Aaron tries to recruit players that can play multiple positions, all are capable of handling the ball and shooting from anywhere on the floor. Of course, these conscerns with the current staff were also concerns that many of us leveled at Amy when she left and I think most of us thought it couldn't get any worse with a new coach coming in. Well, we all are surprised.

[snowman]

i think you are correct in that the coaching staff have no idea how to develop and manipulate the talent they have. What worked for them back in the day is just not working now. time to look for more experienced coaching.

[BlueKeyAlum]

i think you are correct in that the coaching staff have no idea how to develop and manipulate the talent they have. What worked for them back in the day is just not working now. time to look for more experienced coaching.

Well, Catavia is putting up stats consistent with her two years of JC, so I don't know if there is much there to develop and I'm not certain why she was recruited. Stephenson is a local kid with height who I think was regarded as pretty decent in high school.

[roadwarrior]

Well, Catavia is putting up stats consistent with her two years of JC....

Exactly. She is averaging 13.2 minutes a game. 1.3 points scoring average and 2.4 rebound average. For a 6'1" player in D-I ball, that just isn't going to cut it.

[Elephants Dream?]

you can see that DeHoff is trying new things, like starting Miki. I just think that our entire program lacks something. Is it leadership or players, more likely a combination of both. When i see that players have played big minutes and scored somewhere around 2-4 pts i wonder whats up. Miki played more than anyone and scored 2 pts, catavia played and scored 0 pts. then you have people sitting on the bench not playing at all. wonder if any of them could score more that 2 pts. I don't think that DeHoff knows what to do with her players.
My 2 cents on last nights change of lineup;
Coach was trying to get help amongst the *bigs*.
UNLV has some wide bodied players that were going to simply push Burich around.
Besides having poor hands, so is easily moved out of her spot by larger players.
Miki brings heft and height. Unfortunately, she has not developed into a shooter.
Additionally, Northwestern has a bunch of over 6 ft. starting players, and a 6-7 off the bench for tonights game. Coach had to see if Miki could hold her own last night, to help get ready for tonight.

[BisoninNWMN]

Will this team win 5 games this year? 10?

DeHoff needs to go....period!

[CAS4127]

This will piss peeps off, but it is true-->UND would smoke us right now and they have a good player from Ada, MN. Paeffingthetic!!!

[Tatanka]

This will piss peeps off, but it is true-->UND would smoke us right now and they have a good player from Ada, MN. Paeffingthetic!!!

When you're right you're right. Yet another reason this situation is unacceptable

[CAS4127]

No disrespect to Ada-->she should be playin' for us! Poor judge of talent IMO. We have two 9-man starters on FB TEAM at least. Hear me??!!

[D_One_here_we_come]

Give Dehoff the year, but without a turnaround it is time to go

[BisonD1]

What's wrong with your support? The reality is...it takes more than 3-4yrs to get the program running again. Look at Tim Miles and others. We are no different. You expect to win automatically. Yes injuries...we have gone through that in all
Sports..you just don't want to recognize it in WBB...leave the hiring and firing to those in charge of it. How many years did football stay in a bad spot..even in D2....get a life and start supporting WBB. Just maybe you will see the lite!! You need to re-focus your negative energies into psoitive and youmwill feel soooooooooo much better.

[Elephants Dream?]

Well BD1 I've been around WBB a very long time and under this coach the program has been going downhill year after year. Will they even make the tourney in SF?
WBB USED TO BE one of the flagship sports, and fill the gym with fans. Not now.
It has become the biggest failure since moving to D1.
Being a bottom dweller in the Summit is unacceptable!

[ndsubison1]

agreed^^^^^^

coach has had long enough to turn it around and there hasnt been one instance of the program improving. it would be different if we were progressing. we're actually doing the opposite.

[BisoninNWMN]

What's wrong with your support? The reality is...it takes more than 3-4yrs to get the program running again. Look at Tim Miles and others. We are no different. You expect to win automatically. Yes injuries...we have gone through that in all
Sports..you just don't want to recognize it in WBB...leave the hiring and firing to those in charge of it. How many years did football stay in a bad spot..even in D2....get a life and start supporting WBB. Just maybe you will see the lite!! You need to re-focus your negative energies into psoitive and youmwill feel soooooooooo much better.


Bull**it!!

DeHoff has had plenty of time to produce a consistent winner.....and has not done it....period.

Team has gotten worse.

[ISXBISON]

Sad but true is the fact that the program was well into its decline in Amy's last years. This isn't all Dehoff's doing. I agree we should be ahead of where we are. There have been a ton of injuries to overcome. If we didn't have the Linz situation, things would have been different. If we hadn't lost Katie this year, things would be different. It's not going to happen overnight when these types of issues happen. Patience....

[Elephants Dream?]

Yes, the decline started under Amy. (off court mainly, lots happened there, imo)
Every team has injuries and sickness every year, it's part of 'normal', and must be expected.
"It's not going to happen overnight" Dehoff has been going Downhill every year.
Just how in the hell long are you going to give her?? 7 yrs? 10 yrs? Forever?
Look at how bad the attendance is. That's $'s not coming into the program.
The resources are in place to recruit more talented players, but it hasn't happened.
After 4 years of this crap my "patience" is exhausted.

[mississippitwins]

Being a capable judge of talent is a skill/talent that I think escapes the current staff. Also, does the coaching staff have a system in place so they know what type of player can develope in their particular gameplan. I don't think we have a ssytem. SoDakSt has "a system" where Aaron tries to recruit players that can play multiple positions, all are capable of handling the ball and shooting from anywhere on the floor. Of course, these conscerns with the current staff were also concerns that many of us leveled at Amy when she left and I think most of us thought it couldn't get any worse with a new coach coming in. Well, we all are surprised.



BlueKey you’re right on with this coaching staff. The inability to put players in position to have success. Too many players playing out of position. 4 new guards brought in and DeGagne still playing guard

[steelbison]

What's wrong with your support? The reality is...it takes more than 3-4yrs to get the program running again. Look at Tim Miles and others. We are no different. You expect to win automatically. Yes injuries...we have gone through that in all
Sports..you just don't want to recognize it in WBB...leave the hiring and firing to those in charge of it. How many years did football stay in a bad spot..even in D2....get a life and start supporting WBB. Just maybe you will see the lite!! You need to re-focus your negative energies into psoitive and youmwill feel soooooooooo much better.


Ok, I'll give you a chance. Name ONE THING she has done to improve this program. Show me where this team has improved. Show me how she is bringing in more talented players. Show me ANYTHING.

I'll patiently wait for your answer...

[DORMIE]

As much as I like Carolyn, Jamie etc., I still question where the program is going. However with that said, I do not recall a team that has had as many injuries as this team has had. Are there still some of this years players on the shelf? After over a month and 7 games, some of them against larger schools on the road the Bison women put together a nice home stand. Think of what we will have next year with Katie and Van Kirk at the guards. Guess I'll pull the coaching staff a little out from under the bus so at least I can see them.

[mississippitwins]

DeHoff does a great job of recruiting players. This team has just as much talent as SDSU and ORU. BUT here lays the problem. DeHoff has no idea how to use her players. 1 you do not make Lopez your first sub. What kind of message does this send your team? 2 Van Kirk is playing 39min a game, playing great, Becken is out. Why aren’t Muri and Britney playing the point? Let DeGagne and Miki play the 4 spot. 5’7 or 6’3 same stats? YOU TELL ME 3 Don’t fall in love with players and quit the head games/power trips.

D-3 Dakota State would be a good time to work on your point guard help. And Miki and DeGagne get ready for ORU and SDSU much bigger teams at the 4 spot.

[snowman]

well, everyone got to play last night. Nice to see some new faces on the court. i liked the combinations that were together, stephenson and browning; then stephenson and burich. All of our posts should be able to play the 4 or 5 positions. the guards looked good, really took care of the ball well. we do play a bit slow at times, are we afraid to fast break? IMO, now that we are in conference play we should play more people for short periods of time with greater intensity. we have the bench, saw that last night. GO BISON!!!

[BlueKeyAlum]

well, everyone got to play last night. Nice to see some new faces on the court. i liked the combinations that were together, stephenson and browning; then stephenson and burich. All of our posts should be able to play the 4 or 5 positions. the guards looked good, really took care of the ball well. we do play a bit slow at times, are we afraid to fast break? IMO, now that we are in conference play we should play more people for short periods of time with greater intensity. we have the bench, saw that last night. GO BISON!!!

I wouldn't get too excited about a whoop-up-side-the-head on Dakota High School. The best thing that came out of that was that the bench got playing time against someone other than the first string. I don't expect to see a big change in rotation/minutes when we get back into league play although I could be pleasantly surprised.

And I would like to say, Van Kirk is a stud. I figured Muri and Becken would be the impact frosh but Van Kirk was establishing herself as the primo newbie even prior to Kahla sitting out. She has adapted well to the colegiate game. With that said, I have now officially jinxed her for the rest of the season.

[imabison]

I wouldn't get too excited about a whoop-up-side-the-head on Dakota High School. The best thing that came out of that was that the bench got playing time against someone other than the first string. I don't expect to see a big change in rotation/minutes when we get back into league play although I could be pleasantly surprised.

And I would like to say, Van Kirk is a stud. I figured Muri and Becken would be the impact frosh but Van Kirk was establishing herself as the primo newbie even prior to Kahla sitting out. She has adapted well to the colegiate game. With that said, I have now officially jinxed her for the rest of the season.

About the game last night you have to give credit to # 24 the 5-2 guard Y. Onodera from Japan, absolutely fearless. Very quick first step, left Muri sitting on the court once and was not afraid to drive the middle and attempt to find the open player.

Ali Browning later in the game started to show some catch rotate and drive to the bucket in a single motion. Granted it was a much less opponent. She I am sure is still very much in catch up mode after sitting for the extended knee injury.

[BlueKeyAlum]

About the game last night you have to give credit to # 24 the 5-2 guard Y. Onodera from Japan, absolutely fearless. Very quick first step, left Muri sitting on the court once and was not afraid to drive the middle and attempt to find the open player.

Ali Browning later in the game started to show some catch rotate and drive to the bucket in a single motion. Granted it was a much less opponent. She I am sure is still very much in catch up mode after sitting for the extended knee injury.

If Browning could come in and provide some low post play, bonus. Right now Catavia is that person but she's not an offensive threat. Keena and Stephenson probably still need more growth. Should Ali be able to come in and defend, rebound consistently, that's a lot less wear and tear on Plucker and Burich.

[snowman]

not a bad idea to see if Browning can help out. catavia gives us no offense opportunity. goes back to my point of, all of the post players need to play both the 4 and the 5 positions. what an advantage it would be for us to be able to work them in in any combination. Stephenson and Browning could be the post future. Has anyone been able to watch the team practice? Does DeHoff mix up the girls or does she keep them in the same groups always? i know that Dakota wasn't very strong but that game did point out that we have some bench strenght, Dehoff needs to use it more. these next two games should be good for us, i think Utah gives us a real opportunity to again work everyone while OR will be a big challenge for our guards to defend

[mississippitwins]

The next four games will be big in determining the direction of this team. IMO she goes 0-4 at best 1-3(win@USD) no defense!! To many easy layups, players out of position, lost on defense. The last nine games will be a definitive time in DeHoffs tenure. The AD can now shift its attention to woman’s basketball.

[snowman]

i agree that the next few weeks will be tough, but i think we just might pull a few more wins out of this then you think. the girls seem to be clicking right now. OR and SDS will be real hard but i think we have a shot at the rest of the games. UMKC will also be hard. we are forth in the conference and i think we will finish right around there. the success of the rest of the season is in the hands of our post players. we need them all to perform. tonight will be a really good test of our guards, if they can DEFEND and our posts actually SCORE we should be ok. IMO.

[HerdBot]

Wow 3 years progress and SDSU is still beating us by 36 at home. At this rate we will lose in Bookings by 60. DeHoff is below .500 over 3 years. Jacks have won 72% of their games

[1998braves64]

Fine showing for all the alumni players back tonight... they looked pleased with the progress!

[CAS4127]

This is not acceptable--period. U know, peeps say that media sometimes gets things from BV, well let's go. I remember the days when WBB ruled the BSA!! I am not donating to NDSU for this kind of showing!!

[BlueKeyAlum]

I think the change is going to happen but I want to know what folks think would be the advantages/disadvantages of cutting DeHoff immediately?

[CAS4127]

Advantage: I would feel good about her ass gettin fired for what she has done to the program.

[ndsubison1]

last night was embarrassing and completely unacceptable. there was a clear difference in talent on the court

[DORMIE]

Aaron Johnson has developed a nice team over the years. He just has to add 2 0r 3 each year and basically reload. Wish it was that easy for us. He lost 3 from last years team. Last night's results:
SENIORS Sunnaborg 17 Young 9
JUNIORS Dietel 5 Paluch 10 Eide 20 Lingle 3
SOPHOMORES Heiser 2 Boever 2 Strop 0
FRESHMEN Walters 10 Clavin 3

[Ferd]

I think the change is going to happen but I want to know what folks think would be the advantages/disadvantages of cutting DeHoff immediately?
I think an advantage would be to let Jaime finish out the season as Interim while searching for a replacement. It could give Jaime an opportunity to prove herself.
A disadvantage is that it might send the message that we're giving up on this year.

As much as I like Carolyn as a person I think a change is needed. I'd like to see it done so she has a chance to find a different institution, though.

[NDSUstudent]

Let her coach out the season and if the status quo continues move in a new direction after the season is over.

[NorthernBison]

If the decision has been made, then pull the pin NOW. There is no reason to wait and delay the search and stifle recruiting. WBB is absolutely a regional thing and there is no reason to be indecisive. Especially when USD is struggling and UND has a longtime coach leaving.

[ndsubison1]

i agree pull the plug now. however, i dont think theyll do it til after the season

[SDbison]

What happened to Bison women's basketball recruiting? Even during Amy's last half dozen years things got very mediocre. Anyone have an idea what happened? How did SDSU become the preferred destination so soon after the Bison domination of the early to mid 1990's? Was Amy not liked by the players? Things have gone from bad to worse for a once proud and successful program.

[silkamilkamonico]

What happened to Bison women's basketball recruiting? Even during Amy's last half dozen years things got very mediocre. Anyone have an idea what happened? How did SDSU become the preferred destination so soon after the Bison domination of the early to mid 1990's? Was Amy not liked by the players? Things have gone from bad to worse for a once proud and successful program.

Couldn't agree more and quite honestly I am a little shocked that this wasn't talked about more often while it was happening.

We went from completely loaded in the 90's, to getting only 1 or 2 excellent program players a year to every other year by early 2000 and the start of the transition to D1.

his has been a slow and consistent downward spiral since around early 2000 IMO.

My sisters family became Bison fans because of the women in the early 90's. That's all they would go to at the time. Now, that's probably the only sport they won't to go to.

[1998braves64]

I wonder if Amy got too busy with other things and then her cancer really put it in a tailspin, no abundance of decent recruits and then the transition (shortly after the school up north started showing some WBB dominance) put NDSU in a bad position. I think DeHoff has had a hard time convincing recruits to come here which may be her. But she hasn't shown much progress either and it shows. The team just really seems disorganized. Doubt NDSU will make a move midseason as that typically isn't their style. Need a coach that can get some of the athletes in their proper position to succeed. We'll see soon I suppose only another month+.

[ISXBISON]

If we hadn't lost Katie for the season, I doubt we would be having this conversation. It changed the entire dynamic of the team.

[1998braves64]

I can agree it changed the dynamic of the team but I don't think it would made up 20-30 points. Even last year with Katie it seemed like they still had a lot of the same issues. If there was anything for saving grace for DeHoff it would be Katie's injury, IF they pull off a win in the Summit League (have to get there first though) could help to. Danielle (Muri), Jamie, and Kahla all show some decent flashes too for true freshman. I think some of the bad taste was left over from the last 2-3 years of Amy's tenure also when things seemed to really start going downhill.

[mississippitwins]

IMO there is only advantages to letting DeHoff go Monday morning. It’s clear the players are not willing to play 110% for this coach. I don’t agree with the lack of effort, you are representing the college and yourself. With that said.



The advantages

1 Give Jaime her chance 9 games left, see if the players will respond.

2 Show Bison nation that mediocrity will not be acceptable.

3 If Jamie is not the answer, you have time with the season not over to start an exploratory group to watch potential coaches.

[NorthernBison]

There was a time where NDSU and UND shared dominance in WBB at the DII level. For a period of 8 years, one or the other was the National Champion. They were almost certain to meet in the Regional Final and the winner typically breezed through the Elite 8 to the Title. During that span, the best team did not always win. The Bison won a title when Sherri Kleinsasser was a Senior and UND was the better team all season long. The first UND title (when Morlock was a Senior) was a year where the Bison were the more dominant team.

After that, each program got to the Title one more time (I think) and both lost.

That is pretty much where the Jackrabbits picked it up and became the dominant force in the region. UND dropped back a bit and NDSU fell off the grid.

I do not have the answer to why NDSU fell so far. I know that UND continued to outrecruit us and it sure as heck wasn't because of Roebuck's personality. Yet, he still got the recruits and got them to perform. Those are the people who could give us insight as to why NDSU was not the desired destination.

[Elephants Dream?]

NB, I think you answered part of your own question.
Roebuck "got them to perform".
He got alot out of sometimes marginal players.
He's an Ass, imo, but he got players to play hard.

[mississippitwins]

Monday morning as come and gone, it looks like Dorn has decided to wait. After watching clips of the post game highlights, DeHoff looks just lost with no idea what to do next. Making the move would have been good for both parties.

[tony]

NB, I think you answered part of your own question.
Roebuck "got them to perform".
He got alot out of sometimes marginal players.
He's an Ass, imo, but he got players to play hard.

UND occasionally has a good win but NDSU's bar should be set higher than that.

Amy's last year was 17-11. Right now UND is at 9-10.

[NorthernBison]

NB, I think you answered part of your own question.
Roebuck "got them to perform".
He got alot out of sometimes marginal players.
He's an Ass, imo, but he got players to play hard.

Only part though.

NDSU won 5 Titles in a row and then UND won 3 in a row immediately after. From that point forward, while we were in the same Division, NDSU fell off more than UND. I'm wondering why. I'm also wondering why SDSU transitioned so well and neither North Dakota school was able to figure it out.

1. Amy didn't suddenly forget how to coach.
2. Amy and her staff didn't suddenly stop recruiting or forget how to evaluate talent.
3. Roebuck didn't suddenly become likeable.

I'd love the hear from the players who chose SDSU or UND over NDSU just exactly what their reasons were. Probably never will but that's where the answers are.

[aces1180]

Only part though.

NDSU won 5 Titles in a row and then UND won 3 in a row immediately after. From that point forward, while we were in the same Division, NDSU fell off more than UND. I'm wondering why. I'm also wondering why SDSU transitioned so well and neither North Dakota school was able to figure it out.

1. Amy didn't suddenly forget how to coach.
2. Amy and her staff didn't suddenly stop recruiting or forget how to evaluate talent.
3. Roebuck didn't suddenly become likeable.

I'd love the hear from the players who chose SDSU or UND over NDSU just exactly what their reasons were. Probably never will but that's where the answers are.

NDSU actually had a player (Mary Perrizo) transfer to UND after playing her freshman year as a Bison. She sat a year and played the next three for UND. The reason I bring this up is that I went to HS with her, but I'm still not sure why she left to go up north.

[DORMIE]

I think that Mary had a boyfriend up there.

[zooropa]

1. Amy didn't suddenly forget how to coach.
2. Amy and her staff didn't suddenly stop recruiting or forget how to evaluate talent.

I generally don't like replying in "NDSU" threads, it's your guys' teams, you know 'em better than I do.

However, I wanted to add an observation here.

SDSU MBB had, IIRC, years of 9, 6, and 8 wins at the beginning of the transition.

You could've made those same remarks about Nagy at the time.

Nagy's teams have improved as he's changed the type of game that they play. Nagy used to love having a true back to the basket center. Guess what? You can't play that way at the mid major level. He learned. He learned how to win with the recruits he can land. SDSU may not contend for a league title the year after Dykstra graduates, but they're not going to slip down to the cellar either.

I don't know how Amy ran her offenses, but at least one key to the Jacks success early on in transition is, IMO, the unconventional offense and defense that they ran. The WBB team basically ran a men's game plan (with the exception of how they rotated through screens on defense) which AFAIK caught a lot of D-1 teams off guard.

Point being: it's possible that Amy's system didn't translate well to D1, just like Nagy's.

[Elephants Dream?]

UND occasionally has a good win but NDSU's bar should be set higher than that.
Amy's last year was 17-11. Right now UND is at 9-10.
Tony, I meant in the days before transition. Stacho got alot out of his players back in those days.
As for now, the Bison bar should be Much higher than what they win up there.
It hasn't happened. Farther downhill each year.
I've been around WBB a long time, and watching the SDSU game was TOUGH.
Losing by 36 at home is not Bison WBB.
If it's a 55-65 pt. game the Bison are in it.
If it goes over 70 pts. the Bison are not in it. We don't have that type of
scoring horsepower. Jacks had 42 at halftime, and the game was over.
Sad but true.
It has become difficult to sit thru a Bison game with the product that is on the floor.

[rabidrabbit]

Can't specifically answer why any of the SDSU women didn't choose NDSU vs SDSU. Every player for SDSU wanted to be at SDSU, frequently as early as their frosh or soph year of HS. Those at SDSU are molded into TEAM PLAYERS. Even the leaders each year do it by leading the TEAM. AJ believes in super students, that also are very talented, hard-working, basketball players. His, and by extension, SDSU's reputation, is TEAM ball, and super grades. He builds winners, he doesn't bring in THE SUPERSTAR. I doubt very seriously that Kevi Luper of ORU would have fit into SDSU team play concept.

AJ already has his full compliment of recruits out to 2014. Several of them are sisters of other players. Gabby Boever is Maria's sister. Another Corneman, and another Young are in the pipeline. Jacks are doing very well at getting the best of SD. Making in-roads in getting quality MN talent. There are multiple reasons, losing to the Jacks being a prime one, why Gophs won't be playing SDSU for a while. The other prime reason, is MN needs to come to Brookings for a game, before AJ will make his 4th straight pay down game at MN.

Good luck Bison, but DeHoff isn't the right answer for improved Bison season performance in WBB.

[jacks1]

...AJ already has his full compliment of recruits out to 2014. Several of them are sisters of other players. Gabby Boever is Maria's sister. Another Corneman, and another Young are in the pipeline...

Kerri Young from Mitchell is not Jill's sister...

[SDbison]

Can't specifically answer why any of the SDSU women didn't choose NDSU vs SDSU. Every player for SDSU wanted to be at SDSU, frequently as early as their frosh or soph year of HS. Those at SDSU are molded into TEAM PLAYERS. Even the leaders each year do it by leading the TEAM. AJ believes in super students, that also are very talented, hard-working, basketball players. His, and by extension, SDSU's reputation, is TEAM ball, and super grades. He builds winners, he doesn't bring in THE SUPERSTAR. I doubt very seriously that Kevi Luper of ORU would have fit into SDSU team play concept.

AJ already has his full compliment of recruits out to 2014. Several of them are sisters of other players. Gabby Boever is Maria's sister. Another Corneman, and another Young are in the pipeline. Jacks are doing very well at getting the best of SD. Making in-roads in getting quality MN talent. There are multiple reasons, losing to the Jacks being a prime one, why Gophs won't be playing SDSU for a while. The other prime reason, is MN needs to come to Brookings for a game, before AJ will make his 4th straight pay down game at MN.

Good luck Bison, but DeHoff isn't the right answer for improved Bison season performance in WBB.Thanks for your comments. Have to agree with everything you said about SDSU's womens program.......it is constantly reloading. The once proud women's basketball program at NDSU is in shambles.

[MN_BISON]

Can't specifically answer why any of the SDSU women didn't choose NDSU vs SDSU. Every player for SDSU wanted to be at SDSU, frequently as early as their frosh or soph year of HS. Those at SDSU are molded into TEAM PLAYERS. Even the leaders each year do it by leading the TEAM. AJ believes in super students, that also are very talented, hard-working, basketball players. His, and by extension, SDSU's reputation, is TEAM ball, and super grades. He builds winners, he doesn't bring in THE SUPERSTAR. I doubt very seriously that Kevi Luper of ORU would have fit into SDSU team play concept.

AJ already has his full compliment of recruits out to 2014. Several of them are sisters of other players. Gabby Boever is Maria's sister. Another Corneman, and another Young are in the pipeline. Jacks are doing very well at getting the best of SD. Making in-roads in getting quality MN talent. There are multiple reasons, losing to the Jacks being a prime one, why Gophs won't be playing SDSU for a while. The other prime reason, is MN needs to come to Brookings for a game, before AJ will make his 4th straight pay down game at MN.

Good luck Bison, but DeHoff isn't the right answer for improved Bison season performance in WBB.

Just curious, do the ladies hunt and fish too?:D

[NorthernBison]

Just curious, do the ladies hunt and fish too?:D

Now I figured out what we are doing wrong. We have been recruiting only selfish superstar type players who care only about their stat line. Team wins mean nothing to our players. Not to mention the fact that we certainly don't want smart players. The dimbulbs are easier to coach.

Who'da thunk the Bunnies would have figured out a better system.

[zooropa]

Just curious, do the ladies hunt and fish too?:D

Posting again, but this time because the anecdote reflects poorly on Pam Borton & the Goofs.

One of the Jacks recruits from the outer edge of the twin cities (I wanna say it was Hannah Strop from New Prague) said, at the time she signed with SDSU, that she'd wanted to go to SDSU since she started high school.

IMO, that says a fair bit about not just AJ, but the support for WBB at SDSU (budget is actually higher than MBB, and attendance is comparable), as well as a comment on how poorly Borton has managed to recruit rural Minnesota.

[mississippitwins]

Woman's basketball programs of und and ndsu have been in a steady decline for years. One contributing reason could be the lack of talent in state. About 15 years ago, i recall a 60 minuets program on girls hoops in north dakota, playing in the drive way with frozen basketballs only to stop and get warm balls from in front of the fire place. Nice story

no enthusiasm for girls basketballs. Is their any aau programs left (eci closed). The attendants is down even at high school level's.

We need new leader ship. Somebody that can bring respect and accountability to the program.


Ponder this

if i was a recruit, looking at ndsu, i would wonder how a volleyball player could miss summer work outs, 5 weeks of pre season practice and the first part of the season and come in play and look bad and still play. This tells me the coach is bad, run!!!! D-1 talent understands what's up.

[NDstateBison81]

This team right now is a disgrace to North Dakota State, they are making a bad impression on athletics up here:ranting:

[Elephants Dream?]

i would wonder how a volleyball player could miss summer work outs, 5 weeks of pre season practice and the first part of the season and come in play and look bad and still play.
After pondering this for a while......
I would be interested to hear which other bench player you would put on the floor for the 2-3 minutes she usually gets to play? Will your player play her correct position? Will your player screw up the rest of the rotation?

[mississippitwins]

After pondering this for a while......
I would be interested to hear which other bench player you would put on the floor for the 2-3 minutes she usually gets to play? Will your player play her correct position? Will your player screw up the rest of the rotation?

Maybe we need to go with a shorter rotation like last year. (Stats have 8.5 min game) I just gave my opinion on why recruits might not be interested NDSU. If you don't think parents/players and AAU/High school coaches pay attention to college programs. Think again......... Recruits want to play in a successful program. Want a coach that will put them in positions to be successful.

[imabison]

Maybe we need to go with a shorter rotation like last year. (Stats have 8.5 min game) I just gave my opinion on why recruits might not be interested NDSU. If you don't think parents/players and AAU/High school coaches pay attention to college programs. Think again......... Recruits want to play in a successful program. Want a coach that will put them in positions to be successful.

Last year Birkel was a definite leader. This year Van Kirk, and Muri are trying very hard to lead the team.

Absolutely no blame to Birkel, or the others. Experience is everything, they are working hard.

[Hansel]

Not that anyone cares- but the women lost to Oakland tonight

[HoopsBison]

Last year we finished with a record of 13-16, currently this year we are 7-15...

[Elephants Dream?]

Bison led 15 - 10
Bison then got outscored 58 - 37 over the rest of the game.
How well was the team prepared for this game?
The pressure defense got the Bison, Again. :(

One of my friends keeps emailing me after these games
asking; "How long can this go on?"
I doubt anything will happen until after the season, but
at that point I'm hopeful changes will occur.

[steelbison]

Bison led 15 - 10
Bison then got outscored 58 - 37 over the rest of the game.
How well was the team prepared for this game?
The pressure defense got the Bison, Again. :(

One of my friends keeps emailing me after these games
asking; "How long can this go on?"
I doubt anything will happen until after the season, but
at that point I'm hopeful changes will occur.

sorry, I don't share your optimism about a change. IMO I thought there was no way she was coming back this year. But apparently you have to be inept for a very long period of time before Lynn does anything.

[SDbison]

[/B]

sorry, I don't share your optimism about a change. IMO I thought there was no way she was coming back this year. But apparently you have to be inept for a very long period of time before Lynn does anything.
Both Dorn and DeHoff need to go.........

[mississippitwins]

although DeHoff did shake things up the other night, It seems like very little urgency to the season. I hope she hasn't been told she has one more year!!!

[HandoEX]

Both Dorn and DeHoff need to go.........
Hasn't every women's sport at NDSU besides WBB been successful? Get rid of Dorn? Really?

DeHoff definately needs to go.

[SDbison]

Hando.........you gotta gooooo!!!!!

[ISXBISON]

Bison win on the road.

NDSU 64 IPFW 50

[BlueKeyAlum]

A bit off-topic but can we look at South Dakota's coach? 'Yotes just marched into Tulsa and beat Oral Roberts.

[mississippitwins]

At this point we should look at every option. I see one more win against SUU final record of 9-21, maybe 11-19 if Western and IUPUI don’t shoot well in the BSA!!!

DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS!! ON THE WAY OUT DeHoff!!!!

[X-Factor]

This team right now is a disgrace to North Dakota State, they are making a bad impression on athletics up here:ranting:

I normally try not to comment when I don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation as is the case this time unfortunately :facepalm: , and hence the reason why this is probably my first post in a WBB thread in at least 2 years and probably the last for at least that time frame, but for some reason I couldn't resist echoing what has been said here. Absolute disgrace. I have watched more WBB games the last 5 years than most posters on here (definitely not roadwarrior however!!!), and I can honestly say I have not seen worse basketball in my lifetime. Nonathletic, terrible decisions, terrible coaching, terrible effort: about sums up NDSU women's hoops in a nutshell.

[Bison"FANatic"]

It is really to bad Centenary left for D3. Probably the only team we could count on being below us in the standings. Watching the USD game on Midcon :facepalm::facepalm:

Oh how we have fallen.

[BisBison]

Watching this game on MidCOntinent is very painful. 14 points in an entire half? Come on, we have more turnovers than points.:facepalm:

[SDbison]

Wait until the men get on the court.........then we can really be embarassed.

[80ALUM]

Feel sorry for the announcers. They are struggling to find positive things to say.

[SDbison]

Watching this game on MidCOntinent is very painful. 14 points in an entire half? Come on, we have more turnovers than points.:facepalm: Why is Dehoff still the head coach?

[Mr. Burgundy]

Wait until the men get on the court.........then we can really be embarassed.

That is cute SD....another jab at the men. Stay positive....

The women's game is actually just sad. 14 points with 16 to play in the game? Down 20? This has progressively gotten worse. One girl has 19, we have 14. That is wrong.

[JackJD]

The Coyote women are good. I was hoping NDSU could pull it off down there but USD was certainly favored. It's going to be a very difficult game for SDSU Monday night in Vermillion. USD will lose, however, three seniors, two of which would play a lot for any team in the league.

[Mr. Burgundy]

There isn't even a game thread for this game. NDSU used to have a tradition. This is sad. The fans have been forced to quit. Nobody goes to games. 42 to 16 with 13 to play and some girl has like 25 points. Sad is about all I can think of. This isn't about USD being good, this is about....why are we a disaster? She has 26 points now.

[Mr. Burgundy]

We are 7 of 44 from the field.

[80ALUM]

There isn't even a game thread for this game. NDSU used to have a tradition. This is sad. The fans have been forced to quit. Nobody goes to games. 42 to 16 with 13 to play and some girl has like 25 points. Sad is about all I can think of. This isn't about USD being good, this is about....why are we a disaster? She has 26 points now.
This must be really hard for Amy Ruley.

[Mr. Burgundy]

28 to 22. Hegge is winning.

[Gully]

A couple of years ago I really thought the future was bright with a young Birkel and Burich. This has been the biggest head scratcher in the DI transition. Most people predicted women's basketball would be a bright spot. It's a shame, NDSU fans will support a good women's basketball team. When I was in college, they were as big or bigger of a draw as the men's team. I remember playoff games where there obviously wasn't a men's/women's double header and the BSA was pretty packed.

With a renovated arena (whenever that happens) and some success, I believe they could have a recruiting advantage over many schools due to the fan support that would be there.

[Elephants Dream?]

After 12 minutes of play, this game was Over!
There was no hope of coming back for a win.

[aces1180]

Might we see a situation like Kansas State football where a retired and successful coach (Bill Synder : Amy Ruley) comes back and rights the ship until they can find a better replacement?

[BisoninNWMN]

Might we see a situation like Kansas State football where a retired and successful coach (Bill Synder : Amy Ruley) comes back and rights the ship until they can find a better replacement?


Coach DeHoff has not proven she can coach or recruit here.

Hopefully Dorn finds someone that can do both for next year.

[ndsubison1]

what about fred fridley?

[mississippitwins]

listen to the post game show after the USD grubbing. It sounds like this team as checked out on DeHoff. At this point, I don't know how NDSU could keep this coach/staff



I like Fred Fridley, but you need to look at what SDSU and Green Bay are doing 1/2 the roster is Minnesota players.



Amanda Leonhard NDSU ties, would be coming from top 10 team in the country this year. Can recruit the area!!!

[roadwarrior]

UMKC scores the final 8 points in the game tonight and wins by 4.

Will this team make it to Sioux Falls?

[mississippitwins]

Don't know about anybody else, but it gets old listening to DeHoff. Every post game show its about how well we played, how good the other team played. other teams are well coached their going to play good, its called coaching!!!!!

[ndsubison1]

i read an article in the spectrum the other day that said our womens team was good :facepalm:

[Tatanka]

i read an article in the spectrum the other day that said our womens team was good :facepalm:good at what exactly? And I don't mean any undue disrespect towards the players. As a group, they're not very good at basketball compared to the opposition.

[Elephants Dream?]

Being in Vermillion -- watching that mess unfold in front of me
was bad enough. I'm glad I didn't go to KC this year.

[mississippitwins]

Carol is suffering from denial!!! She thought we played great in vermillion. Down by 30, is a good accomplishment

[rabidrabbit]

UMKC scores the final 8 points in the game tonight and wins by 4.

Will this team make it to Sioux Falls?

Because of the poor play by SUU T-birds, and USD ineligible, Bison will safely be in the 1st round at Sioux Falls. But definitely will be wearing road uni's.

[roadwarrior]

Yes, SUU eliminated themselves last night by losing.

[HandoEX]

Will DeHoff last until Sunday of the tournament? Dear God, I hope not!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bison"FANatic"]

Here is a telling stat

TURNOVERS............... NDSU 471 Opponents 347
We have about 35% more tournovers than our opponents

STEALS..................NDSU 164 Opponents 272
We have about 39% less steals than our opponents

[SDHoopsfromSDSUFan]

I third the Fred Fridley hire!

[mississippitwins]

I would like to see Amy Ruley come back, she is already on the payroll. Help cover Carols salary next year.



Hasn't Carols record went down every year ( Could it be Amys players graduating??? last one is plucker)

[56BISON73]

I would like to see Amy Ruley come back, she is already on the payroll. Help cover Carols salary next year.



Hasn't Carols record went down every year ( Could it be Amys players graduating??? last one is plucker)

Considering that the demise of the WBB program started on her watch I dont think thats a good idea. At the end many were calling for her head as well.

[mississippitwins]

I agree it may not be the long term answer. I would hate to see us keep Carol just because of the money.

[CAS4127]

Considering that the demise of the WBB program started on her watch I dont think thats a good idea. At the end many were calling for her head as well.

I agree. Amy had lost some intensity when she cashed it in!! I think she knows that.

As a thread drift, ur username continues to remind me of a place in Frisco called "Twin Peaks"! Sorry about that!!

[56BISON73]

I agree. Amy had lost some intensity when she cashed it in!! I think she knows that.

As a thread drift, ur username continues to remind me of a place in Frisco called "Twin Peaks"! Sorry about that!!

You aint sorry:biggrin:

[mississippitwins]

Part of Amy’s demise is unfair, she was starting to play more division one schools. She Still had a winning record.

[Elephants Dream?]

Considering that the demise of the WBB program started on her watch I dont think thats a good idea. At the end many were calling for her head as well.
Absolutely Correct!
Find a D1 quality coach and hire her/him.

[BlueKeyAlum]

Absolutely Correct!
Find a D1 quality coach and hire her/him.

Are you talking someone who is already a full time head coach? Why would they come to Fargo?

I don't know what criteria are in place but here are a few things that I think would be helpful (in no particular order).

1. head coaching experience at the Division One level ; or
2. assistant coaching experience at the Division One level with a program associated with the Super Six conferences;

AND

3. current connections to the Minnesota recruiting base. This is our bread and butter and there are a number of kids up and coming in the next few classes that we might not be able to wraggle away from the U (Borton has increased her focus in the state) or the B1G but who would be great to keep in the region.

[ISXBISON]

This is another instance in which the BSA is hurting us. It's often mentioned how much it hurt's the men's team with regards to recruiting etc.
It has the same effect on the women's program, maybe even more so.

[NorthernBison]

This is another instance in which the BSA is hurting us. It's often mentioned how much it hurt's the men's team with regards to recruiting etc.
It has the same effect on the women's program, maybe even more so.

That's becoming an EXCUSE for losing. I've stopped buying it.

NDSU puts as much or more into the programs as anybody in the Summit and we get less out.

Unfortunately, the Women's program has fallen so far that it will take a miracle to recruit the players that can turn it around regardless of the venue they play in. Top quality athletes take one look at what NDSU is putting on the floor and decline to want to be a part of it. This is no longer a winning program that draws the attention of the best recruits.

The road to recovery starts with the Coach. Whoever that is, needs to pull a few "rabbits" out of the hat to get things rolling.

[mississippitwins]

IT’S TIME FOR BISON NATION TO STAND UP, MAKE THEIR VOICES HERD!!!

SENT DORN A EMAIL LynLynn.Dorn@ndsu.edu MAKE A CHANGE TO NIGHT

THE TEAM WILL RESPOND WITH AT LEAST 3 STRAIGHT WINS. PROVE ME WRONG!!!

[BlueKeyAlum]

IT’S TIME FOR BISON NATION TO STAND UP, MAKE THEIR VOICES HERD!!!

SENT DORN A EMAIL LynLynn.Dorn@ndsu.edu MAKE A CHANGE TO NIGHT

THE TEAM WILL RESPOND WITH AT LEAST 3 STRAIGHT WINS. PROVE ME WRONG!!!

Are you sayin' that if DeHoff is fired TONIGHT, the team will start winning?

I'm not sure how I feel about that?

Shouldn't they be trying to win irregardless?

idk

[CAS4127]

Yes, "regardless" we should be trying to win!

Dehof had better be gone when season ends.

And, trust me on this, NDSU has people reading this Forum, as does the media!!

Bisonville has some credibility and sources of info.

[North Side]

Playing SDSU is like rubbing salt in our already huge wounds.

[HerdBot]

That's becoming an EXCUSE for losing. I've stopped buying it.

NDSU puts as much or more into the programs as anybody in the Summit and we get less out.

Unfortunately, the Women's program has fallen so far that it will take a miracle to recruit the players that can turn it around regardless of the venue they play in. Top quality athletes take one look at what NDSU is putting on the floor and decline to want to be a part of it. This is no longer a winning program that draws the attention of the best recruits.

The road to recovery starts with the Coach. Whoever that is, needs to pull a few "rabbits" out of the hat to get things rolling.

I agree. Its coaching. The program has plenty of resources. We lost by 50 tonight. Figure outout what the Jacks are doing because the Bison program is a steamy pile of shit.

[HerdBot]

IT’S TIME FOR BISON NATION TO STAND UP, MAKE THEIR VOICES HERD!!!

SENT DORN A EMAIL LynLynn.Dorn@ndsu.edu MAKE A CHANGE TO NIGHT

THE TEAM WILL RESPOND WITH AT LEAST 3 STRAIGHT WINS. PROVE ME WRONG!!!

If she is not concerned I would be shocked.

[HerdBot]

From 1990 to 1998
We lost a total of 21 games (included playoff losses)

2011 we have lost 19 games with 2 to go in regular season

[Twentysix]

From 1990 to 1998
We lost a total of 21 games (included playoff losses)

2011 we have lost 19 games with 2 to go in regular season

even in 98 the current players were like 7 years old.

Neat stat though..

[56BISON73]

even in 98 the current players were like 7 years old.

Neat stat though..

That was also D2 stats.

[HerdBot]

That was also D2 stats.

Here is an unofficial stat for ya
From 1990 to 1998, we kicked SDSUs ass as D2 schools
Now at the D1 level, we lose to them by 40 or 50 every time

[roadwarrior]

Here is an unofficial stat for ya
From 1990 to 1998, we kicked SDSUs ass as D2 schools
Now at the D1 level, we lose to them by 40 or 50 every time

We did beat them in Brookings last season.

[56BISON73]

Here is an unofficial stat for ya
From 1990 to 1998, we kicked SDSUs ass as D2 schools
Now at the D1 level, we lose to them by 40 or 50 every time

Everytime?

[ndsoccerfan]

Is this the final year on her contract? If it isn't it brings up an interesting dilema...spend alot of money (100k+) to buy out a coach when that money could be used for the BSA project.

We just lost a soccer coach because we weren't willing to bump his pay 6-8k.

We all know that she needs to go but if there are years left on the contract is it the right thing financially.

[BlueKeyAlum]

Is this the final year on her contract? If it isn't it brings up an interesting dilema...spend alot of money (100k+) to buy out a coach when that money could be used for the BSA project.

We just lost a soccer coach because we weren't willing to bump his pay 6-8k.

We all know that she needs to go but if there are years left on the contract is it the right thing financially.


Need to make the change now. Buy out whatever time is left so the new staff can get in, evaluate the resources, and morve forward.

[SDbison]

Is this the final year on her contract? If it isn't it brings up an interesting dilema...spend alot of money (100k+) to buy out a coach when that money could be used for the BSA project.

We just lost a soccer coach because we weren't willing to bump his pay 6-8k.

We all know that she needs to go but if there are years left on the contract is it the right thing financially. Please tell me that NDSU not willing to bump the soccer coaches pay $8000 so that he would stay is just a rumor and has no merit...........

[NDSUstudent]

Is this the final year on her contract? If it isn't it brings up an interesting dilema...spend alot of money (100k+) to buy out a coach when that money could be used for the BSA project.

We just lost a soccer coach because we weren't willing to bump his pay 6-8k.

We all know that she needs to go but if there are years left on the contract is it the right thing financially.

I highly doubt the buyout is anywhere close to $100k.

[ndsoccerfan]

If there is a year or more left we would have to pay her her salary which I'm guessing is around 100k.

As for the soccer coach, I heard it from a member of the soccer staff. Pete would've stayed for 8k (and he was the lowest payed HC at NDSU) but Dorn said they couldn't do it.

[Elephants Dream?]

She is in the 4th year of a 5 yr contract.

[mississippitwins]

Let’s hope your Intel is right Elephants Dream

Still would like to see a change now! Two home games and a trip down to Sioux Falls.

The only problem, how to handle the success of winning!!!

Jaime has no say in who plays. I guarantee the rotation would change.

You cannot continue to put players in the game, the other teams don’t guard, and instead they double Abby, Janae and Hannah

We are losing more in attendance $$ each game we wait, and further behind SDSU and USD

[D_One_here_we_come]

Best part of the soccer debacle, is that Dorn told Pete she couldn't do an 8k raise yet brings in the new coach at 6k more than Pete. So we lost a successful head coach and the entire staff over 2k. According to inform.com Pete still would have been the lowest paid HC at NDSU even with the 8k raise. Lets just hope Gene oversees the WBB search.

[SDbison]

Best part of the soccer debacle, is that Dorn told Pete she couldn't do an 8k raise yet brings in the new coach at 6k more than Pete. So we lost a successful head coach and the entire staff over 2k. According to inform.com Pete still would have been the lowest paid HC at NDSU even with the 8k raise. Lets just hope Gene oversees the WBB search.
Fire Dorn at the same time. What a dumas.

[BisoninNWMN]

Best part of the soccer debacle, is that Dorn told Pete she couldn't do an 8k raise yet brings in the new coach at 6k more than Pete. So we lost a successful head coach and the entire staff over 2k. According to inform.com Pete still would have been the lowest paid HC at NDSU even with the 8k raise. Lets just hope Gene oversees the WBB search.


WOW

If this is true then Dorn should be gone as well. All of our coaches should be at the upper echelon of salaries in the Summit.

I remember going to the D2 championship game at the BSA against Delta State in 91...I think. The place was packed and very loud. Bison BB needs to get back to that kind of atmosphere.

Dehoff needs to go.

[The Lost Dutchman]

She is in the 4th year of a 5 yr contract.

They gave her a one year contract extension at some point, so she actually has 2 years left after this year.

[SDbison]

They gave her a one year contract extension at some point, so she actually has 2 years left after this year. Good chance she is still coaching next year then...........just wonderful. If Dorn couldn't come up with a few thousand to keep a very good soccer coach no way does she pay two years of salary to get rid of a crappy basketball coach.

[JSUBison]

Dorn keeps a bad BB coach, runs off the soccer coach over a couple of grand, and don't forget the Hinterstocker situation. Don't think that was handled right. If I'm wrong on that, one of you with more knowledge in the volleyball program correct me and I'll leave it alone. :confused:

[Hammersmith]

WOW

If this is true then Dorn should be gone as well. All of our coaches should be at the upper echelon of salaries in the Summit.

I remember going to the D2 championship game at the BSA against Delta State in 91...I think. The place was packed and very loud. Bison BB needs to get back to that kind of atmosphere.

Dehoff needs to go.
All of our coaches are either the best or second best paid coaches in the Summit & MVFC except for Saul(who is around fourth). Pete was either #1 or #2 in the Summit, but was at or near the bottom of the full-time head coaches at NDSU(I can't believe Pete was paid less than our golf coaches).

This was from two or three years ago:
_1. $180,960 - Football - Craig Bohl
_2. $177,916 - Athletic Director - Gene Taylor
_3. $135,000 - Men's Basketball - Saul Phillips
_4. $130,612 - W Athletic Director - Lynn Dorn
_5. $113,400 - Women's Basketball - Carolyn DeHoff
_6. $_87,330 - Wrestling - Bucky Maughan
_7. $_73,109 - Volleyball - Erich Hintersocker
_8. $_63,064 - Men's Track - Don Larson
_9. $_62,000 - Softball - Darrin Mueller
10. $_60,388 - Women's Track - Ryun Godfrey
11. $_58,422 - Baseball - Tod Brown
12. $_53,508 - Soccer - Pete Cuadrado
13. $_17,900 - Men's Golf - William Iverson
13. $_17,900 - Women's Golf - Matt Johnson

(base salaries)

[BlueKeyAlum]

All of our coaches are either the best or second best paid coaches in the Summit & MVFC except for Saul(who is around fourth). Pete was either #1 or #2 in the Summit, but was at or near the bottom of the full-time head coaches at NDSU(I can't believe Pete was paid less than our golf coaches).

This was from two or three years ago:
_1. $180,960 - Football - Craig Bohl
_2. $177,916 - Athletic Director - Gene Taylor
_3. $135,000 - Men's Basketball - Saul Phillips
_4. $130,612 - W Athletic Director - Lynn Dorn
_5. $113,400 - Women's Basketball - Carolyn DeHoff
_6. $_87,330 - Wrestling - Bucky Maughan
_7. $_73,109 - Volleyball - Erich Hintersocker
_8. $_63,064 - Men's Track - Don Larson
_9. $_62,000 - Softball - Darrin Mueller
10. $_60,388 - Women's Track - Ryun Godfrey
11. $_58,422 - Baseball - Tod Brown
12. $_53,508 - Soccer - Pete Cuadrado
13. $_17,900 - Men's Golf - William Iverson
13. $_17,900 - Women's Golf - Matt Johnson

(base salaries)

Wow, DeHoff was out only female head coach a few years ago.

[imabison]

All of our coaches are either the best or second best paid coaches in the Summit & MVFC except for Saul(who is around fourth). Pete was either #1 or #2 in the Summit, but was at or near the bottom of the full-time head coaches at NDSU(I can't believe Pete was paid less than our golf coaches).

This was from two or three years ago:
_1. $180,960 - Football - Craig Bohl
_2. $177,916 - Athletic Director - Gene Taylor
_3. $135,000 - Men's Basketball - Saul Phillips
_4. $130,612 - W Athletic Director - Lynn Dorn
_5. $113,400 - Women's Basketball - Carolyn DeHoff
_6. $_87,330 - Wrestling - Bucky Maughan
_7. $_73,109 - Volleyball - Erich Hintersocker
_8. $_63,064 - Men's Track - Don Larson
_9. $_62,000 - Softball - Darrin Mueller
10. $_60,388 - Women's Track - Ryun Godfrey
11. $_58,422 - Baseball - Tod Brown
12. $_53,508 - Soccer - Pete Cuadrado
13. $_17,900 - Men's Golf - William Iverson
13. $_17,900 - Women's Golf - Matt Johnson

(base salaries)
http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?26965-New-Soccer-Head-Coach-Mark-Cook/page2
Posted by The_Bard

FYI: University of WY 2012 budget says Head Womens soccer coach salary for 2012 is $76,500.

http://www.uwyo.edu/acadaffairs/plan...ing_Budget.pdf [pg. 123]

And WY has no state income tax.

Does anyone recall what the new NDSU Soccer coach is being paid?

[roadwarrior]

It is still possible for the women to get the #4 seed in Sioux Falls. We will know after monday's games are complete.

[Elephants Dream?]

It is still possible for the women to get the #4 seed in Sioux Falls. We will know after monday's games are complete.
If the Bison beat IUPUI (a poor road team) and Oakland loses at UMKC, then
the Bison would move into #4.
(I'm assuming the Jacks take care of WIU.)

[roadwarrior]

The women finish the regular season with a win at home tonight. A shot by Linz just before the buzzer won the game.

I'm pretty sure we will be the #4 seed in the Summit tournament.

[Tatanka]

The women finish the regular season with a win at home tonight. A shot by Linz just before the buzzer won the game.

I'm pretty sure we will be the #4 seed in the Summit tournament.

So, to summarize, the women end up with a better seed in the tourney than the men?

[BlueKeyAlum]

Hannah had a great shot at the end and true frosh Dani Muri had a double double with team leading 16 points, 12 boards, and 3 steals.

[imabison]

The women finish the regular season with a win at home tonight. A shot by Linz just before the buzzer won the game.

I'm pretty sure we will be the #4 seed in the Summit tournament.

Women will be the #4 seed, and who will they play IUPUI the team they beat tonight.

Van Kirk down with a knee tonight, and as Coach said they will have Abbey Plucker hopefully
ready for play on Sunday.

[roadwarrior]

Women will be the #4 seed, and who will they play IUPUI the team they beat tonight.


The updated standings on the Summit website right now has Oakland in 5th, but they have not published the tournament pairings yet.

[imabison]

The updated standings on the Summit website right now has Oakland in 5th, but they have not published the tournament pairings yet.

Sorry if its not IUPUI I was quoting Scotty Miller on the post game show. My OH My

[JackJD]

...
(I'm assuming the Jacks take care of WIU.)


We did: 101-61. We were able to watch the 2013-14 and 2014-15 teams.

[BisoninNWMN]

In today's forum, Dorn gave an endorsement for DeHoff. Next year is suppose to be better....I guess. Haven't we heard this for 4 years now?

[Tatanka]

:facepalm:

[steelbison]

In today's forum, Dorn gave an endorsement for DeHoff. Next year is suppose to be better....I guess. Haven't we heard this for 4 years now?



If that is the case maybe it's time for Lynn to go as well.

[BlueKeyAlum]

Schnepf article frim the forum where Dorn backs DeHoff for net year.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/352389/

[SDbison]

Schnepf article frim the forum where Dorn backs DeHoff for net year.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/352389/ Really............WTF? I think Dorn needs to go. What a waste of time.

[ISXBISON]

Really............WTF? I think Dorn needs to go. What a waste of time.

They're going into the tourney with a higher seed than the men. Are you saying Saul and Gene should be let go to???

[Elephants Dream?]

ISX,
Did you see the last two WBB games???
The caliber of play by the Bison is somewhere between pathetic and
downright embarrassing.
It has not improved during the season.
WIU and IUPUI both stink, and we are no better.

[DjKyRo]

If that is the case maybe it's time for Lynn to go as well.

Is there some reason we're judging Dorn based solely on the performance of the women's basketball team? Haven't women's volleyball, track and field, and softball been absolutely ridiculous since we transitioned to D-I? Does she get no credit for those?

[bisonsupporter]

Is there some reason we're judging Dorn based solely on the performance of the women's basketball team? Haven't women's volleyball, track and field, and softball been absolutely ridiculous since we transitioned to D-I? Does she get no credit for those?

Exactly.....

They are young. I say let them (young team still) play one more year. If we are not competitive, like this year, then give the boot. The BSA can not help either coach in recruiting.

[DjKyRo]

Exactly.....

They are young. I say let them (young team still) play one more year. If we are not competitive, like this year, then give the boot. The BSA can not help either coach in recruiting.

What? My post isn't about DeHoff (the coach), its about Lynn Dorn, the director of women's athletics. I think the women's basketball team is terrible and has been going this way for awhile, but to put the blame on Dorn is...ridiculous. Fire her? Not when just about every other women's sport is dominating right now.

[Tatanka]

Got to say kudos to Kevin s. For writing the article, which means he at least asked the question on dehoff. Its a step in the right direction IMHO.

[CAS4127]

Didn't the women finish higher in the Summit then men??!! :confused::hide:

[SlickVic]

Got to say kudos to Kevin s. For writing the article, which means he at least asked the question on dehoff. Its a step in the right direction IMHO.

we need robert morast aka the future of pulitzer prize covering that womens team then wed for sure get some answers dude lol

[BisonVifte]

Just shows how bad most of the women's teams in the Summint are.

[ISXBISON]

Exactly.....

They are young. I say let them (young team still) play one more year. If we are not competitive, like this year, then give the boot. The BSA can not help either coach in recruiting.

Exactly. We've been playing freshmen a lot of minutes. We have one senior that contributes. Had Birkel (who was expected to be the team leader) not been hurt...this year would have been significantly different. Unfortunately no one else stepped into that leadership role. It changed the whole dynamic of the team.
The slide of the women's basketball program started well before Dehoff was hired. I do agree that Dehoff hurt herself early on by not filling her scholarships. That is what is biting her in the ass right now because depth was not built and we're forced to rely on true freshmen.

[ISXBISON]

we need robert morast aka the future of pulitzer prize covering that womens team then wed for sure get some answers dude lol

He's too fixated on Stephanie Goetz

[BisoninNWMN]

Exactly. We've been playing freshmen a lot of minutes. We have one senior that contributes. Had Birkel (who was expected to be the team leader) not been hurt...this year would have been significantly different. Unfortunately no one else stepped into that leadership role. It changed the whole dynamic of the team.
The slide of the women's basketball program started well before Dehoff was hired. I do agree that Dehoff hurt herself early on by not filling her scholarships. That is what is biting her in the ass right now because depth was not built and we're forced to rely on true freshmen.


How many years does Dorn give her then to turn this program around?

She has been here 4 years and has 1 senior that contributes??? Recruiting. Plus in the article, there were less than 400 fans....wow!

[SlickVic]

He's too fixated on Stephanie Goetz

dont forget about the fast food french fries...what im getting at is he obviously has supurb invistagative journalist skills so why not put him on the case fargo forum

[ndsubison1]

They're going into the tourney with a higher seed than the men. Are you saying Saul and Gene should be let go to???

i think the summit league in womens is much worse then the summot league for mens

[Bison bison]

DeHoff should leave now.

Last night my kids asked if we were going to the game. I told them no, that the women's team was not good/worth watching.

I had season tickets for a few years including DeHoff's first. There is zero excitement about the team. I feel bad because the primary reason we had tickets was for my daughter to see female athletes compete/to have role models. Her at one time strong interest in athletics has waned naturally, but last night she showed interest on her own which I foolishly squashed (I feel really bad about this in retrospect). We didn't watch a women's game this year. Last year it was one. A few years ago we made almost as many womens as mens games.

I apologize to all the athletes who might read this, but the women's and men's teams both have an aura of loser-e-ness that I can't stand to watch.

[SDbison]

My thoughts as an alumnus, fan and teammaker are that in recent years both womens and mens basketball at NDSU have been underperforming. Middle of the pack should not be an acceptable finish and should rarely happen. Quick exits at the Summit tourney must be stopped. I am not impressed at all with Dehoff as the womens basketball coach. And Saul is starting to concern me a bit, but lets see how next year goes. Dehoff has had plenty of time. The goal for the women should be return to prominance and take back what the bunnies took over. No way should they be that much better than NDSU.

[Tatanka]

My thoughts as an alumnus, fan and teammaker are that in recent years both womens and mens basketball at NDSU have been underperforming. Middle of the pack should not be an acceptable finish and should rarely happen. Quick exits at the Summit tourney must be stopped. I am not impressed at all with Dehoff as the womens basketball coach. And Saul is starting to concern me a bit, but lets see how next year goes. Dehoff has had plenty of time. The goal for the women should be return to prominance and take back what the bunnies took over. No way should they be that much better than NDSU.

Well put. Two losses by a combined >80 points? Unacceptable. That's like NDSU vs Valley City numbers.

[80ALUM]

Of course Dorn is going to support Dehoff going into the tournament. Wouldn't be very professional to do otherwise. Things may change after the tournament is over.

[BisoninNWMN]

My thoughts as an alumnus, fan and teammaker are that in recent years both womens and mens basketball at NDSU have been underperforming. Middle of the pack should not be an acceptable finish and should rarely happen. Quick exits at the Summit tourney must be stopped. I am not impressed at all with Dehoff as the womens basketball coach. And Saul is starting to concern me a bit, but lets see how next year goes. Dehoff has had plenty of time. The goal for the women should be return to prominance and take back what the bunnies took over. No way should they be that much better than NDSU.


Good post!!

[SDSUAlum08]

Women will be the #4 seed, and who will they play IUPUI the team they beat tonight.

Van Kirk down with a knee tonight, and as Coach said they will have Abbey Plucker hopefully
ready for play on Sunday.


Have to feel sorry for the girl. Because it's so late in the year it's going to linger into next year's basketball season, too.

[Hammersmith]

Of course Dorn is going to support Dehoff going into the tournament. Wouldn't be very professional to do otherwise. Things may change after the tournament is over.
That's what I'm thinking and hoping for.

[steelbison]

Didn't the women finish higher in the Summit then men??!! :confused::hide:

CAS, that's true. But if you've ever watched a game the Summit women are horrible!!!!

IUPUI which we just beat to stay out of 7th place have lost 38 of 39 on the road..just to give you an idea how bad they are.

[steelbison]

My thoughts as an alumnus, fan and teammaker are that in recent years both womens and mens basketball at NDSU have been underperforming. Middle of the pack should not be an acceptable finish and should rarely happen. Quick exits at the Summit tourney must be stopped. I am not impressed at all with Dehoff as the womens basketball coach. And Saul is starting to concern me a bit, but lets see how next year goes. Dehoff has had plenty of time. The goal for the women should be return to prominance and take back what the bunnies took over. No way should they be that much better than NDSU.

Couldn't agree more.

[HerdBot]

I say let's give DeHoff 1 more year. If we don't improve dramatically we need to go a different direction. Let's see what happens in the Summit League tournament.