11/7/11 Polls

[Hammersmith]

Coaches (out early this week)

Week 10 Poll - November 7, 2011

Team (No. 1 Votes) 2011 Record Points Previous Ranking
1. North Dakota State (26) 9-0 698 1
2. Montana State (2) 9-1 671 2
3. Georgia Southern 8-1 627 4
4. Sam Houston State 9-0 619 5
5. Northern Iowa 7-2 585 6
6. Lehigh 8-1 536 7
7. Montana 8-2 525 8
8. Appalachian State 6-3 497 3
9. Wofford 6-3 489 9
10. New Hampshire 7-2 464 11
11. Old Dominion 8-2 420 12
12. Towson 7-2 367 17
13. Maine 7-2 356 10
14. Harvard 6-1 259 20
15. Liberty 7-3 237 22
16. Illinois State 7-3 203 24
17. Delaware 5-4 183 19
18. Jackson State 7-2 168 14
19. James Madison 5-4 157 13
20. Tennessee Tech 5-3 139 15
21. Furman 6-3 123 NR
22. North Dakota 6-3 119 25
23. Indiana State 5-4 102 16
24. South Dakota 5-4 97 23
25. Central Arkansas 7-3 77 NR
Others receiving votes: Jacksonville State (69); Norfolk State (64); Eastern Kentucky (62); Brown (54); Portland State (21); Drake (17); William & Mary (16); San Diego (13); Youngstown State (10); Alabama State (9); Florida A&M (9); Southern Utah (8); Cal Poly (5); Alabama A&M (4); Jacksonville (4); Pennsylvania (4); Massachusetts (3); Chattanooga (1).

[EndZoneQB]

Lehigh at #6????

[DjKyRo]

So the Siouxage move up 3 spots after needing a last-second FG to overcome Sioux Falls. Brilliant!

[CAS4127]

Indiana State one spot lower than teh UND??!!!! I can only imagine what DaveK and star2 and Darrell1976 are thinking and saying: "Hey, ISU blue stuck with the #1 rated team in the country. Hmmm, where does that put us??!!" We would easily be in the PO's but for our transitional status, and likely make a hell of a run". ETC!!!!

Pathetic poll really.

[IBleedYellow]

I laughed hard when I saw Indiana State ranked lower than the people up North.

Poll should just be the Top 10 or Top 15.

[Hammersmith]

AGS Top 25 For November 7, 2011

1 North Dakota State Bison 2290 83
2 Montana State Bobcats 2212 7
3 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2100 2
4 Northern Iowa Panthers 1931
5 Georgia Southern Eagles 1920
6 Wofford Terriers 1723
7 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1662
8 New Hampshire Wildcats 1625
9 Montana Grizzlies 1575
10 Towson Tigers 1468
11 Maine Black Bears 1359
12 Old Dominion Monarchs 1315
13 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1302
14 Furman Paladins 1000
15 Illinois State Redbirds 944
16 Liberty Flames 881
17 Harvard Crimson 740
18 Central Arkansas Bears 708
19 James Madison Dukes 542
20 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 519
21 Indiana State Sycamores 342
22 Norfolk State Spartans 318
23 Brown Bears 283
24 Portland State Vikings 250
25 Eastern Kentucky Colonels 171

Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins

Most Significant Loss: Appalachian State Mountaineers

26 Georgetown Hoyas 163
27 Alabama State Hornets 71
28 Chattanooga Mocs 68
29T Cal Poly Mustangs 57
29T South Dakota Coyotes 57
31 Youngstown State Penguins 52
32 Stony Brook Seawolves 37
33 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 35
34 Alabama A&M Bulldogs 28
35 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 23
36 Jackson State Tigers 22
37T Southern Utah Thunderbirds 20
37T Duquesne Dukes 20
39 William & Mary Tribe 14
40 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 13

[bisonaudit]

Lehigh at #6????

Looks like they lost to NH in OT and beat Liberty both of whom the coaches also overrate significantly as well. The computers obviously don't know everything but they're quite good at eliminating these kinds of biases because the objectively evaluate the quality of your opponents instead of starting with any preconceved notions about who's good and who isn't.

[BigBison]

These polls are CRAP!!

[DjKyRo]

I know it looks dubious but Lehigh is legit. Crazy good offense, lost the one game that would've given them some serious credibility in UNH but they've been delivering. They started out mid-ranked and haven't lost while others accumulate losses ahead of them. They'll be dangerous in the playoffs.

[Bison03]

UND moves up??! Proves that these voters don't watch games or research their votes past the top 10 or so. Barely beating an NAIA team and having 3 NAIA wins and a non-scholly win on you resume' and they are ranked?! they have 3 DI wins in 9 weeks. This is getting more strange every week.

[Hammersmith]

The Sports Network/Fathead.com FCS Top-25 College Football Poll

Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. North Dakota State Bison (143) 9-0 4,004 1
2. Montana State Bobcats (16) 9-1 3,847 2
3. Sam Houston State Bearkats (1) 9-0 3,673 4
4. Georgia Southern Eagles 8-1 3,425 5
5. Northern Iowa Panthers 7-2 3,309 6
6. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 8-1 3,131 8
7. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 7-2 2,957 9
8. Montana Grizzlies 8-2 2,785 10
9. Wofford Terriers 7-2 2,718 11
10. Appalachian State Mountaineers 6-3 2,572 3
11. Old Dominion Monarchs 8-2 2,401 12
12. Towson Tigers 7-2 2,350 14
13. Maine Black Bears 7-2 2,070 7
14. Illinois State Redbirds 7-3 1,665 17
15. Delaware Blue Hens 5-4 1,342 16
16. Liberty Flames 7-3 1,258 22
17. Furman Paladins 6-3 1,246 NR
18. Harvard Crimson 7-1 1,090 23
19. Central Arkansas Bears 7-3 1,048 25
20. James Madison Dukes 5-4 895 13
21. Jackson State Tigers 7-2 525 15
22. Norfolk State Spartans 8-2 468 NR
23. Alabama State Hornets 7-2 438 NR
24. South Dakota Coyotes 5-4 437 24
25. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 6-3 427 NR
Others receiving votes: Indiana State 360, Brown 270, Jacksonville State 261, Portland State 217, Tennessee Tech 206, Alabama A&M 193, North Dakota 126, Georgetown 124, William & Mary 91, Stony Brook 55, San Diego 54, Southern Utah 53, Chattanooga 39, Cal Poly 34, Duquesne 24, Bethune-Cookman 24, Murray State 23, Massachusetts 11, Drake 11, Albany 9, Lafayette 9, Richmond 9, Florida A&M 8, Penn 6, Bryant 5, Samford 5, UT Martin 5, Grambling State 4, Texas State 3, The Citadel 1, Northwestern State 1, South Dakota State 1, Yale 1, Jacksonville 1.

[Ross]

I don't even know why they allow the coaches poll to be published for people to look at. Every single week it is such a joke and there are numerous problems with it. For example, Wofford beat App State, and their record is 7-2 not 6-3. A team that has a better record AND a head to head win against an opponent should not be ranked below said opponent. Also, how in the hell is Furman only ranked 21?! Granted they did get crushed by a then ranked #1 Georgia Southern, but since then they have beaten Wofford, Chattanooga, and App State. How UND continues to move up the polls is astounding. Ranked 22 this week with D-1 wins over world beaters Drake, SUU, and Northern Colorado. Give me a break!

[bisonaudit]

I just wouldn't pay much attention to anything past about 15th or so. If they're down there they're not making the post season w/out an autobid. From about 20 to about 35 everyone is more or less the same anyway.

[bisonaudit]

I don't even know why they allow the coaches poll to be published for people to look at. Every single week it is such a joke and there are numerous problems with it. For example, Wofford beat App State, and their record is 7-2 not 6-3. A team that has a better record AND a head to head win against an opponent should not be ranked below said opponent. Also, how in the hell is Furman only ranked 21?! Granted they did get crushed by a then ranked #1 Georgia Southern, but since then they have beaten Wofford, Chattanooga, and App State. How UND continues to move up the polls is astounding. Ranked 22 this week with D-1 wins over world beaters Drake, SUU, and Northern Colorado. Give me a break!

Agree on Wofford and Furman. The coaches poll is seriously undervaluing both.

[HerdBot]

Indiana State one spot lower than teh UND??!!!! I can only imagine what DaveK and star2 and Darrell1976 are thinking and saying: "Hey, ISU blue stuck with the #1 rated team in the country. Hmmm, where does that put us??!!" We would easily be in the PO's but for our transitional status, and likely make a hell of a run". ETC!!!!

Pathetic poll really.

Typically when you need a last second field goal to beat an NAIA team transitioning to D2, you lose all credibility. They should not be ranked in the top 100.

UND has 3 D1 wins...

Drake (Non scholarship) 16-0
WINLESS Northern Colorado by 2 PTS
Southern Utah 6 pts. (Currently in last pace Great west)

There have to be pictures involved.

[Strommer10]

Typically when you need a last second field goal to beat an NAIA team transitioning to D2, you lose all credibility. They should not be ranked in the top 100.

UND has 3 D1 wins...

Drake (Non scholarship) 16-0
WINLESS Northern Colorado by 2 PTS
Southern Utah 6 pts. (Currently in last pace Great west)

There have to be pictures involved.
I try so hard not to care about these polls. The only thing that matters is this:

1. North Dakota State Bison (143) 9-0 4,004 1

[roadwarrior]

The coaches poll only has 28 voters. The sports network poll has 160. That makes a huge difference in credibility.

[HandoEX]

I try so hard not to care about these polls. The only thing that matters is this:

GPI: #1
Fixed it for you.

[BFKasper14]

So UND got 25 votes? Isn't a first place vote worth that much? How do they do the points system. I thought it was 1st was worth 25, 2nd worth 24, and so on...
I'm talking of course about the coaches poll.

[Twentysix]

IMO ISUr is to low in all these polls.


So UND got 25 votes? Isn't a first place vote worth that much? How do they do the points system. I thought it was 1st was worth 25, 2nd worth 24, and so on...
I'm talking of course about the coaches poll.

If that were the case a (1) would show up behind their name indicating a first place vote.

[Twentysix]

I try so hard not to care about these polls. The only thing that matters is this:

NDSU undefeated stadium seats over 18,000

FIFY better than Hando did, since GPI doesnt technincally mean anything unless you are in a bridge qaulifier conference.

[BFKasper14]

If that were the case a (1) would show up behind their name indicating a first place vote.

Gotcha...Thanks!

[ndsubison1]

Any caliber football mind knows that und is not even a top 30 team

[Twentysix]

Gotcha...Thanks!

I would add, NDSU does not have all the first place votes. It is entirely possible UND was voted 2nd in one poll (as an accident) and 25th in another to make the 25 points without a (1).

[Tatanka]

So UND got 25 votes? Isn't a first place vote worth that much? How do they do the points system. I thought it was 1st was worth 25, 2nd worth 24, and so on...
I'm talking of course about the coaches poll.

Actually UND got 119 votes. They were 25th last week.

[Hansel]

I would add, NDSU does not have all the first place votes. It is entirely possible UND was voted 2nd in one poll (as an accident) and 25th in another to make the 25 points without a (1).

NDSU was ranked 1st in 26 polls (26x25=650 points), and therefore must have been ranked 2nd in the other two (2x24=48) for a total of 698 points.

[Twentysix]

NDSU was ranked 1st in 26 polls (26x25=650 points), and therefore must have been ranked 2nd in the other two (2x24=48) for a total of 698 points.

I didnt do the math or even look at it, just answered his question. Just saying UND not having a (1) beside their name doesnt disprove a mistake ballot.

What hansel posted does though.

[EndZoneQB]

Actually UND got 119 votes. They were 25th last week.

I was waiting to see how long it took the monkeys to figure this one out on their own. Thanks for ruining it Tatanka.

[Tatanka]

I was waiting to see how long it took the monkeys to figure this one out on their own. Thanks for ruining it Tatanka.

That's what I do.

[BFKasper14]

I was waiting to see how long it took the monkeys to figure this one out on their own. Thanks for ruining it Tatanka.

Aaaaaand now I feel like a complete idiot...wow haha :facepalm2:

[TbonZach]

Come on, guys and gals. I'm not usually one to say "stop talking about UND." But can we please have one poll thread where there aren't entire pages dedicated why UND should/shouldn't be in the polls? NDSU is #1 in FCS and that all that really matters right now.

[No_Skill]

Come on, guys and gals. I'm not usually one to say "stop talking about UND." But can we please have one poll thread where there aren't entire pages dedicated why UND should/shouldn't be in the polls? NDSU is #1 in FCS and that all that really matters right now.

It's just soooo hard because they are soooo dumb.

[WYOBISONMAN]

I don't care what UND is ranked. It has no bearing on the Bison and our post season hopes.

[RowdyRabbit]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me..why does FCS Now get no love when it comes to polls? I tend to like its rankings more than other polls.

2011 FCS Now Poll

Week Ten

(First-place votes in parentheses)

1. North Dakota State (49)
2. Montana State (17)
3. Sam Houston State (9)
4. Georgia Southern
5. Northern Iowa
6. Wofford
7. Montana
8. Lehigh
9. New Hampshire
10. Towson
11. Maine
12. Old Dominion
13. Appalachian State
14. Illinois State
15. Liberty
16. Central Arkansas
17. Furman
18. Delaware
19. Jackson State
20. Norfolk State
21. Alabama A&M
22. James Madison
23. Alabama State
24. Portland State
25. Indiana State

Others receiving votes:

Harvard; Eastern Kentucky; Massachusetts; South Dakota; Tennessee Tech; Jacksonville State; Brown; Cal Poly; Georgetown; North Dakota; Samford; Stony Brook; Duquesne; Youngstown State.

http://fcsnow.com/poll.aspx

[344Johnson]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me..why does FCS Now get no love when it comes to polls? I tend to like its rankings more than other polls.

2011 FCS Now Poll

Week Ten

(First-place votes in parentheses)

1. North Dakota State (49)
2. Montana State (17)
3. Sam Houston State (9)
4. Georgia Southern
5. Northern Iowa
6. Wofford
7. Montana
8. Lehigh
9. New Hampshire
10. Towson
11. Maine
12. Old Dominion
13. Appalachian State
14. Illinois State
15. Liberty
16. Central Arkansas
17. Furman
18. Delaware
19. Jackson State
20. Norfolk State
21. Alabama A&M
22. James Madison
23. Alabama State
24. Portland State
25. Indiana State

Others receiving votes:

Harvard; Eastern Kentucky; Massachusetts; South Dakota; Tennessee Tech; Jacksonville State; Brown; Cal Poly; Georgetown; North Dakota; Samford; Stony Brook; Duquesne; Youngstown State.

http://fcsnow.com/poll.aspx

No one gives it any attention/love because it makes too much sense.

[Putz]

Come on, guys and gals. I'm not usually one to say "stop talking about UND." But can we please have one poll thread where there aren't entire pages dedicated why UND should/shouldn't be in the polls? NDSU is #1 in FCS and that all that really matters right now.

I agree. There should just be a sticky titled "Sioux Suck" and we can put all of our comments about why they should not be ranked in that thread!

[Hambone]

No one gives it any attention/love because it makes too much sense.

I had actually never heard of it. It is a pretty good poll. Mine is actually somewhat similar to that one, although I have Indiana State quite a bit higher (around 18 I think) and I have Brown, Harvard and Cal Poly in mine rather than Jackson State, Alabama A&M and Alabama State. But all those teams are in the 20s so not too big a deal. It's hard to put together after about #15 because there seems to be a lot of parity throughout most of the conferences......

[4mcruenomore]

I had actually never heard of it. It is a pretty good poll. Mine is actually somewhat similar to that one, although I have Indiana State quite a bit higher (around 18 I think) and I have Brown, Harvard and Cal Poly in mine rather than Jackson State, Alabama A&M and Alabama State. But all those teams are in the 20s so not too big a deal. It's hard to put together after about #15 because there seems to be a lot of parity throughout most of the conferences......

Have you heard that NDSU is #1 in the country? Just curious.

[stevdock]

Coaches (out early this week)

Week 10 Poll - November 7, 2011

Team (No. 1 Votes) 2011 Record Points Previous Ranking
1. North Dakota State (26) 9-0 698 1
2. Montana State (2) 9-1 671 2
3. Georgia Southern 8-1 627 4
4. Sam Houston State 9-0 619 5
5. Northern Iowa 7-2 585 6
6. Lehigh 8-1 536 7
7. Montana 8-2 525 8
8. Appalachian State 6-3 497 3
9. Wofford 6-3 489 9
10. New Hampshire 7-2 464 11
11. Old Dominion 8-2 420 12
12. Towson 7-2 367 17
13. Maine 7-2 356 10
14. Harvard 6-1 259 20
15. Liberty 7-3 237 22
16. Illinois State 7-3 203 24
17. Delaware 5-4 183 19
18. Jackson State 7-2 168 14
19. James Madison 5-4 157 13
20. Tennessee Tech 5-3 139 15
21. Furman 6-3 123 NR
22. North Dakota 6-3 119 25
23. Indiana State 5-4 102 16
24. South Dakota 5-4 97 23
25. Central Arkansas 7-3 77 NR
Others receiving votes: Jacksonville State (69); Norfolk State (64); Eastern Kentucky (62); Brown (54); Portland State (21); Drake (17); William & Mary (16); San Diego (13); Youngstown State (10); Alabama State (9); Florida A&M (9); Southern Utah (8); Cal Poly (5); Alabama A&M (4); Jacksonville (4); Pennsylvania (4); Massachusetts (3); Chattanooga (1).

And breaking news according to the Forum this happened 25 minutes ago.:facepalm:

[Hambone]

Have you heard that NDSU is #1 in the country? Just curious.

That's news to me. Thanks for sharing.

[devin45k]

We are in a great division. THere is no way UND should be ahead of Indiana State. I think Indiana State would beat UND by 2 tds if they played.

[BisonGuru]

Why is everyone so fixated on UND? Who cares! WE are #1 and we control our own destiny! Besides we already came to the conclusion that Sioux Suck many moons ago!

[DePereBisonFan]

I think Indiana State dropped way too far. They lost to the #1 team in the nation and dropped like 7-9 spots? That's quite a bit of punishment. They are a good team.

I also don't know much about Lehigh. I mean, are they really legitimate? Does the Patriot League actually produce good teams? Are they all full scholarship teams? The only thing I know about Lehigh is that they embarrassed UNI and consequently the MVFC last year when they won that game.

[DePereBisonFan]

Come on, guys and gals. I'm not usually one to say "stop talking about UND." But can we please have one poll thread where there aren't entire pages dedicated why UND should/shouldn't be in the polls? NDSU is #1 in FCS and that all that really matters right now.

Honestly these Poll threads should probably be in the Division I/FCS section or something.

[ndsubison1]

Why is everyone so fixated on UND? Who cares! WE are #1 and we control our own destiny! Besides we already came to the conclusion that Sioux Suck many moons ago!

not that it matters but if they bison played they kind of schedule in moved up in the rankings there would be crying elsewhere