10/24 FCS Polls

[NDSUstudent]

AGS

1 Georgia Southern Eagles 2635 81
2 North Dakota State Bison 2495 13
3 Northern Iowa Panthers 2464 9
4 Montana State Bobcats 2337 2
5 Sam Houston State Bearkats 2205 1
6 Maine Black Bears 2124
7 Lehigh Mountain Hawks 1934
8 Appalachian State Mountaineers 1907
9 James Madison Dukes 1704
10 Towson Tigers 1647
11 Wofford Terriers 1612
12 Montana Grizzlies 1592
13 New Hampshire Wildcats 1545
14 Jacksonville State Gamecocks 1170
15 Old Dominion Monarchs 1047
16 Liberty Flames 900
17 Harvard Crimson 629
18 Illinois State Redbirds 531
19 Indiana State Sycamores 530
20 South Dakota Coyotes 506
21 Alabama State Hornets 437
22 Chattanooga Mocs 432
23 Cal Poly Mustangs 350
24 William & Mary Tribe 278
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 233

Most Significant Win:Furman Paladins

Most Significant Loss:Wofford Terriers


26 Furman Paladins 218
27 Central Arkansas Bears 217
28 Brown Bears 168
29 Albany Great Danes 128
30 Richmond Spiders 127
31 Norfolk State Spartans 123
32 Jackson State Tigers 100
33 Eastern Washington Eagles 69
34 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 42
35 North Dakota Fighting Sioux 41
36 Samford Bulldogs 39
37 Georgetown Hoyas 26
38 Portland State Vikings 26
39 Southern Illinois Salukis 25
40 Youngstown State Penguins 24

[Bisonguy]

At least people slightly paid attention to the fact that ISU-r beat ISU-b and USD the previous week.

[NDSUstudent]

I guess there might be an error in the poll, somebody's vote for UND at #4 went through when they meant to vote for NDSU.

Edit that, sounds like there poll wasn't counted.

[DjKyRo]

2 North Dakota State Bison 2473 13
3 Northern Iowa Panthers 2464 9

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[NDSUstudent]

CS Poll

Week 8 | 10/24/2011

1. Georgia Southern Eagles
2. Northern Iowa Panthers
3. Montana State Bobcats
4. North Dakota State Bison
5. Sam Houston State Bearkats
6. Maine Black Bears
7. Appalachian State Mountaineers
8. Lehigh Mountain Hawks
9. James Madison Dukes
10. Towson Tigers
11. Wofford Terriers
12. Montana Grizzlies
13. New Hampshire Wildcats
14. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15. Old Dominion Monarchs
16. Liberty Flames
17. Illinois State Redbirds
18. Harvard Crimson
19. South Dakota Coyotes
20. Indiana State Sycamores
21. Central Arkansas Bears
22. Alabama State Hornets
23. William & Mary Tribe
24. Cal Poly Mustangs
25. Eastern Washington Eagles

Next 10 teams receiving points:
26. Chattanooga Mocs 27. Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens 28. Furman Paladins 29. Norfolk State Spartans 30. Brown Bears 31. Richmond Spiders 32. Albany Great Danes 33. Jackson State Tigers 34. Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 35. Sacramento State Hornets

[HerdBot]

Wow the Sioux aren't ranked? I would have thought their late game rally after an ass kicking by Poly at home would warrant some votes for moral victories?

[Bison Dan]

I'm totally surprised they didn't move up!

[HerdBot]

5 valley teams in the top 25 if you count USD.

SIU (almost beat both NDSU and UNI), and Youngstown received some votes and are in the top 40.

SDSU, WIU, and Missouri State are the bottom feeders.

[NDSUstudent]

Sports Network Poll

1. Georgia Southern Eagles (131) 7-0 3,930 1
2. Northern Iowa Panthers (17) 6-1 3,768 2
3. North Dakota State Bison (10) 7-0 3,602 3
4. Montana State Bobcats (1) 7-1 3,548 4
5. Appalachian State Mountaineers 5-2 3,153 6
6. Sam Houston State Bearkats 7-0 3,104 7
7. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 6-1 2,850 8
8. Maine Black Bears 6-1 2,830 9
9. James Madison Dukes 5-2 2,515 11
10. New Hampshire Wildcats 5-2 2,340 13
11. Montana Grizzlies 6-2 2,334 12
12. Wofford Terriers 5-2 2,289 5
13. Towson Tigers 6-1 2,214 15
14. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 5-2 2,112 10
15. Old Dominion Monarchs 6-2 1,497 21
16. Alabama State Hornets 6-1 1,305 19
17. South Dakota Coyotes 5-3 930 25
18. William & Mary Tribe 4-4 896 14
19. Jackson State Tigers 6-1 863 23
20. Indiana State Sycamores 5-3 622 17
21. Delaware Blue Hens 4-4 513 16
22. Illinois State Redbirds 5-3 496 NR
23. Liberty Flames 5-3 480 NR
24. Harvard Crimson 5-1 388 NR
25. Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 4-2 345 NR
Others receiving votes: Central Arkansas 303, Massachusetts 300, Richmond 297, Furman 256, Chattanooga 231, North Dakota 203, Cal Poly 200, Eastern Washington 141, Norfolk State 139, Brown 136, Albany 90, Jacksonville 79, Texas State 56, Alabama A&M 48, San Diego 29, Samford 27, Penn 23, Florida A&M 20, Southern Utah 20, Portland State 19, Georgetown 18, Sacramento State 16, Stony Brook 14, South Dakota State 12, UT Martin 12, Southern Illinois 10, Elon 10, Eastern Kentucky 8, McNeese State 6, Bethune-Cookman 5, South Carolina State 5, Duquesne 4, The Citadel 4, Youngstown State 3, Holy Cross 3, Northwestern State 2, Drake 1, Lafayette 1.

[Tatanka]

Looks like a consultant named bob was hired, maybe two, and the glitch was finally fixed.

[NDSUstudent]

I guess there might be an error in the poll, somebody's vote for UND at #4 went through when they meant to vote for NDSU.

Edit that, sounds like their poll wasn't counted.

Scratch that, a vote for UND at #4 that was meant for NDSU went through. In the AGS poll you can add 22 points to NDSU's total and deduct 22 from UND.

[HooliganBison]

Sports Network(Media Poll)

1. Georgia Southern Eagles (131) 7-0 3,930 1
2. Northern Iowa Panthers (17) 6-1 3,768 2
3. North Dakota State Bison (10) 7-0 3,602 3
4. Montana State Bobcats (1) 7-1 3,548 4
5. Appalachian State Mountaineers 5-2 3,153 6
6. Sam Houston State Bearkats 7-0 3,104 7
7. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 6-1 2,850 8
8. Maine Black Bears 6-1 2,830 9
9. James Madison Dukes 5-2 2,515 11
10. New Hampshire Wildcats 5-2 2,340 13
11. Montana Grizzlies 6-2 2,334 12
12. Wofford Terriers 5-2 2,289 5
13. Towson Tigers 6-1 2,214 15
14. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 5-2 2,112 10
15. Old Dominion Monarchs 6-2 1,497 21
16. Alabama State Hornets 6-1 1,305 19
17. South Dakota Coyotes 5-3 930 25
18. William & Mary Tribe 4-4 896 14
19. Jackson State Tigers 6-1 863 23
20. Indiana State Sycamores 5-3 622 17
21. Delaware Blue Hens 4-4 513 16
22. Illinois State Redbirds 5-3 496 NR
23. Liberty Flames 5-3 480 NR
24. Harvard Crimson 5-1 388 NR
25. Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 4-2 345 NR

Others receiving votes: Central Arkansas 303, Massachusetts 300, Richmond 297, Furman 256, Chattanooga 231, North Dakota 203, Cal Poly 200, Eastern Washington 141, Norfolk State 139, Brown 136, Albany 90, Jacksonville 79, Texas State 56, Alabama A&M 48, San Diego 29, Samford 27, Penn 23, Florida A&M 20, Southern Utah 20, Portland State 19, Georgetown 18, Sacramento State 16, Stony Brook 14, South Dakota State 12, UT Martin 12, Southern Illinois 10, Elon 10, Eastern Kentucky 8, McNeese State 6, Bethune-Cookman 5, South Carolina State 5, Duquesne 4, The Citadel 4, Youngstown State 3, Holy Cross 3, Northwestern State 2, Drake 1, Lafayette 1.

[Tatanka]

Scratch that, a vote for UND at #4 that was meant for NDSU went through. In the AGS poll you can add 22 points to NDSU's total and deduct 22 from UND.

but but but but

Cue retaliatory tweets from the und SID

[Bison bison]

FCS Coaches Poll is being suppressed.

They have UND at #12.

[Hambone]

Scratch that, a vote for UND at #4 that was meant for NDSU went through. In the AGS poll you can add 22 points to NDSU's total and deduct 22 from UND.

Does it really matter? Won't change the rankings at all......

Should be a fun weekend of football in fargo next weekend......

[Hambone]

FCS Coaches Poll is being suppressed.

They have UND at #12.

You serious Clark??

[NDSUstudent]

Does it really matter? Won't change the rankings at all......

Should be a fun weekend of football in fargo next weekend......

It doesn't change NDSU's poll position but it does help prove a certain beat writer's point who was bashed unmercifully by some fans of a certain school in northern ND.

[Hambone]

It doesn't change NDSU's position but it does help prove a certain beat writer's point who was bashed unmercifully by some fans of a certain school in northern ND.

Ahhh - I can see your point.

[NDSUstudent]

Ahhh - I can see your point.

For the record I am not saying UND's votes are all from confusion. There was a time when I was very close to ranking them in my poll, a win over Cal Poly would have sealed it. I just wanted to point out that confusion does happen like Kolpack was saying.

[Bison Dan]

Sports Network(Media Poll)

1. Georgia Southern Eagles (131) 7-0 3,930 1
2. Northern Iowa Panthers (17) 6-1 3,768 2
3. North Dakota State Bison (10) 7-0 3,602 3
4. Montana State Bobcats (1) 7-1 3,548 4
5. Appalachian State Mountaineers 5-2 3,153 6
6. Sam Houston State Bearkats 7-0 3,104 7
7. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 6-1 2,850 8
8. Maine Black Bears 6-1 2,830 9
9. James Madison Dukes 5-2 2,515 11
10. New Hampshire Wildcats 5-2 2,340 13
11. Montana Grizzlies 6-2 2,334 12
12. Wofford Terriers 5-2 2,289 5
13. Towson Tigers 6-1 2,214 15
14. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 5-2 2,112 10
15. Old Dominion Monarchs 6-2 1,497 21
16. Alabama State Hornets 6-1 1,305 19
17. South Dakota Coyotes 5-3 930 25
18. William & Mary Tribe 4-4 896 14
19. Jackson State Tigers 6-1 863 23
20. Indiana State Sycamores 5-3 622 17
21. Delaware Blue Hens 4-4 513 16
22. Illinois State Redbirds 5-3 496 NR
23. Liberty Flames 5-3 480 NR
24. Harvard Crimson 5-1 388 NR
25. Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles 4-2 345 NR

Others receiving votes: Central Arkansas 303, Massachusetts 300, Richmond 297, Furman 256, Chattanooga 231, North Dakota 203, Cal Poly 200, Eastern Washington 141, Norfolk State 139, Brown 136, Albany 90, Jacksonville 79, Texas State 56, Alabama A&M 48, San Diego 29, Samford 27, Penn 23, Florida A&M 20, Southern Utah 20, Portland State 19, Georgetown 18, Sacramento State 16, Stony Brook 14, South Dakota State 12, UT Martin 12, Southern Illinois 10, Elon 10, Eastern Kentucky 8, McNeese State 6, Bethune-Cookman 5, South Carolina State 5, Duquesne 4, The Citadel 4, Youngstown State 3, Holy Cross 3, Northwestern State 2, Drake 1, Lafayette 1.

How can USD be ahead of ILL State and UND getting more votes than Cal Poly? This poll is a waste of time.

[NDSUstudent]

How can USD be ahead of ILL State and UND getting more votes than Cal Poly? This poll is a waste of time.

There are teams receiving votes in that poll like Jacksonville(who lost to WIU) that make me just shake my head.

[Bison bison]

Coaches



Team (No. 1 Votes) 2011 Record Points Previous Ranking

1. Georgia Southern (27)
7-0
697
1


2. Northern Iowa (1)
6-1
666
2


3. North Dakota State
7-0
622
5


4. Montana State
7-1
618
3


5. Appalachian State
5-2
577
6


6. Lehigh
6-1
528
7


7. Sam Houston State
7-0
510
10


8. Montana
6-2
476
9


9. Wofford
5-2
451
4


10. James Madison
5-2
438
11


11. New Hampshire
5-2
421
12


12. Maine
6-1
403
14


13. Jacksonville State
5-2
393
8


14. Towson
6-1
348
17


15. South Dakota
5-3
276
19


16.Old Dominion
6-2
234
22


17. Jackson State
6-1
211
20


18. Indiana State
5-3
141
16


19. Tennessee Tech
4-2
131
23


20. Delaware
4-4
127
13


21. William & Mary
4-4
119
15


22. Alabama State
6-1
107
NR


23. Harvard
5-1
105
NR


24. Liberty
5-3
82
NR


25. North Dakota
4-3
62
18

[NDSUstudent]

Wow...Cal Poly below UND...Illinois State not even in the poll. WTF

[GradBison]

ILSU is not in the coaches poll. I give up.

[MNLonghorn10]

Others receiving votes: Illinois State (59); Jacksonville (37); Norfolk State (33); Cal Poly (25); Missouri State (23); Eastern Washington (19); Central Arkansas (18); Chattanooga (15); Brown (14); Richmond (14); Youngstown State (13); Furman (12); Southern Illinois (9); Alcorn State (7); Sacramento State (7); Texas State (7); Albany (6); Florida A&M (5); Pennsylvania (5); Southern Utah (5); McNeese State (4); Massachusetts (3); San Diego (2); UT Martin (1).

missouri state is not high enough, imo

[NDSUstudent]

ILSU is not in the coaches poll. I give up.

They are only 11 spots behind a team they beat 28-3 and held to a 108 total yards of offense.

[GradBison]

missouri state is not high enough, imo

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

If they pulled FCS schools out of a bin raffle style this poll might have better credibility.

[HooliganBison]

First comment about the coaches poll is about UND pathetic..... It should have been wow we leapfrogged MSU and are now in 3rd place in both polls.

[NDSUstudent]

First comment about the coaches poll is about UND pathetic..... It should have been wow we leapfrogged MSU and are now in 3rd place in both polls.

Missouri State got 23 points, this poll isn't even credible.

For the record my post was about Cal Poly not being ahead of a team they beat and Illinois State being behind two teams they've beaten in back to back weeks.

[NDSUstudent]

We aren't #3 in the coaches poll, a voter clearly screwed up and voted for Missouri State instead of Montana State.

Last week
Montana State 641 points and three first place votes
--Missouri State 0 points.

This week
Montana State 618 points and three first place votes.
--Missouri State 23 points

Of course who knows how many points we are losing in this poll due to mistakes.

[Tatanka]

Make the ballots public. Maybe not releasing names to ballots but let people see each one. What's to hide?

[CAS4127]

Personally, I think UNI should be #1 in all the polls right now, given their record and SOS. We should be right about where we are, #2 or #3. The winner of this game shoud go to #1 for sure, although I think GSU plays AppState this weekend, but that shouldn't matter either way.

[Twentysix]

Personally, I think UNI should be #1 in all the polls right now, given their record and SOS. We should be right about where we are, #2 or #3. The winner of this game shoud go to #1 for sure, although I think GSU plays AppState this weekend, but that shouldn't matter either way.

UNI's SOS is inflated bs.

ISU was a loss, doesnt help their case a whole lot.

SFA is horrible they have 1 Division I win and 5 losses.

SUU has proved they arent even a top 40 team.

UNI's SOS is better than ours, but its not that drastic. You have been listening to too many panthers.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2617/stephen-f-austin-lumberjacks

SFA will probably go 2-2 at best to finish their schedule with a 3-7 record.

Mcneese and Northwestern state will beat SFA.

SUU will possibly win one more game this season and thats UCD.

UNI will mop the floor with them imo. NAU wins at home SUU finishes 5-6

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/253/southern-utah-thunderbirds

If you ask a UNI fan they will tell you SFA and SUU are top 25 teams. Once you realize they arent even top 50 teams their SOS looks like shit.

Unless you are letting them hang their hat on a one point loss to whats going to be at best a 4 win(Assuming they can beat KU) Iowa state, in which one of those wins is UNI.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/66/iowa-state-cyclones

[HerdBot]

Wow...Cal Poly below UND...Illinois State not even in the poll. WTF

Wow. They have 2 D1 wins.

1 vs Southern Utah who is winless in conference play and lost to a bad SDSU team
2) Non scholarship Drake

The Sioux shoudn't be ranked in the top 100. They are one of the worst teams in the FCS.

Illinois State actually has 5 D1 wins including ISU Blue.

[ndsubison1]

I guess there might be an error in the poll, somebody's vote for UND at #4 went through when they meant to vote for NDSU.

Edit that, sounds like there poll wasn't counted.

But but they never confuse votes :fish

[ndsubison1]

Personally, I think UNI should be #1 in all the polls right now, given their record and SOS. We should be right about where we are, #2 or #3. The winner of this game shoud go to #1 for sure, although I think GSU plays AppState this weekend, but that shouldn't matter either way.

I think so too unless gsu stomps app state

[bisonaudit]

Which of these messed up messes of mess get included in the GPI?

Does the GPI employ the same stupid restrictions on the computers that the BCS does?

[344Johnson]

Wow. They have 2 D1 wins.

1 vs Southern Utah who is winless in conference play and lost to a bad SDSU team
2) Non scholarship Drake

The Sioux shoudn't be ranked in the top 100. They are one of the worst teams in the FCS.

Illinois State actually has 5 D1 wins including ISU Blue.

I dont know where I would put UND. They have played such a strange schedule it is extremely hard to figure out where they ought to be.

Illinois St. is top 20 for sure in my opinion. They have been doing work as of late. I now don't feel so terrible for NDSU's sloppy, sloppy, sloppy game only scoring 20 points. UNI/GSU are still my top 2, NDSU (im a homer) 3, App St. 4, Montana St. 5.

[Twentysix]

I dont know where I would put UND. They have played such a strange schedule it is extremely hard to figure out where they ought to be.

Illinois St. is top 20 for sure in my opinion. They have been doing work as of late. I now don't feel so terrible for NDSU's sloppy, sloppy, sloppy game only scoring 20 points. UNI/GSU are still my top 2, NDSU (im a homer) 3, App St. 4, Montana St. 5.

Tough putting appy in the top 5 imo. They already have 2 losses and will probably have 2 more before the end of the season. (Furman, GSU)

I hope Appy beats GSU, I just don't think they have the upperhand.

[Leonardite]

We aren't #3 in the coaches poll, a voter clearly screwed up and voted for Missouri State instead of Montana State.

Last week
Montana State 641 points and three first place votes
--Missouri State 0 points.

This week
Montana State 618 points and three first place votes.
--Missouri State 23 points

Of course who knows how many points we are losing in this poll due to mistakes.

This is the absolute smoking gun on this issue. Certain SIDs should tweet this right after their apology to certain sportswriters.

[CAS4127]

UNI's SOS is inflated bs.

ISU was a loss, doesnt help their case a whole lot.

SFA is horrible they have 1 Division I win and 5 losses.

SUU has proved they arent even a top 40 team.

UNI's SOS is better than ours, but its not that drastic. You have been listening to too many panthers.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/2617/stephen-f-austin-lumberjacks

SFA will probably go 2-2 at best to finish their schedule with a 3-7 record.

Mcneese and Northwestern state will beat SFA.

SUU will possibly win one more game this season and thats UCD.

UNI will mop the floor with them imo. NAU wins at home SUU finishes 5-6

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/253/southern-utah-thunderbirds

If you ask a UNI fan they will tell you SFA and SUU are top 25 teams. Once you realize they arent even top 50 teams their SOS looks like shit.

Unless you are letting them hang their hat on a one point loss to whats going to be at best a 4 win(Assuming they can beat KU) Iowa state, in which one of those wins is UNI.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/66/iowa-state-cyclones

No I haven't dipsh*t!!

[Twentysix]

No I haven't dipsh*t!!

Lol, then explain it?

[CAS4127]

Lol, then explain it?

Well, maybe SOS wasn't the most accurate term to use, but I will say their loss of ISU is better than our win against Minny. Also, if you compare common opponent stats, they win "better" than us. They put up more "offensive" points for sure. Also, I think they have both a better D and O line than us, as well as better RB's and possibly a better all-around QB, but the margin is closing fast on the latter.

[Twentysix]

Well, maybe SOS wasn't the most accurate term to use, but I will say their loss of ISU is better than our win against Minny. Also, if you compare common opponent stats, they win "better" than us. They put up more "offensive" points for sure. Also, I think they have both a better D and O line than us, as well as better RB's and possibly a better all-around QB, but the margin is closing fast on the latter.

Both ISU and Minnesota are horrible. UM put up the best fight against top 25 teams between the schedules.

If you throw out the games played in (Uni/Ndsu) ISU is 2-4 and UM is 1-5 neither team is a world beater, and we won. If we had lost by 1 point ISU would be better, but we won by 2 td's.

If UM beats Iowa, whos better ISU or UM?....

[Strommer10]

We aren't #3 in the coaches poll, a voter clearly screwed up and voted for Missouri State instead of Montana State.

Last week
Montana State 641 points and three first place votes
--Missouri State 0 points.

This week
Montana State 618 points and three first place votes.
--Missouri State 23 points

Of course who knows how many points we are losing in this poll due to mistakes.

This is getting ridiculous... I don't put much credit into polls. Handling our business every week is all I care about.

[tony]

Coaches poll out:

http://www.soconsports.com/fls/4000/socon/FCS/polls/2011/2011_FCS_Coaches_Poll/index.html





1. Georgia Southern (27)

7-0

697

1



2. Northern Iowa (1)

6-1

666

2



3. North Dakota State

7-0

622

5



4. Montana State

7-1

618

3



5. Appalachian State

5-2

577

6



6. Lehigh

6-1

528

7



7. Sam Houston State

7-0

510

10



8. Montana

6-2

476

9



9. Wofford

5-2

451

4



10. James Madison

5-2

438

11



11. New Hampshire

5-2

421

12



12. Maine

6-1

403

14



13. Jacksonville State

5-2

393

8



14. Towson

6-1

348

17



15. South Dakota

5-3

276

19



16.Old Dominion

6-2

234

22



17. Jackson State

6-1

211

20



18. Indiana State

5-3

141

16



19. Tennessee Tech

4-2

131

23



20. Delaware

4-4

127

13



21. William & Mary

4-4

119

15



22. Alabama State

6-1

107

NR



23. Harvard

5-1

105

NR



24. Liberty

5-3

82

NR



25. North Dakota

4-3

62

18






Others receiving votes: Illinois State (59); Jacksonville (37); Norfolk State (33); McNeese State (27); Cal Poly (25); Eastern Washington (19); Central Arkansas (18); Chattanooga (15); Brown (14); Richmond (14); Youngstown State (13); Furman (12); Southern Illinois (9); Alcorn State (7); Sacramento State (7); Texas State (7); Albany (6); Florida A&M (5); Pennsylvania (5); Southern Utah (5); Massachusetts (3); San Diego (2); UT Martin (1)

No idea why Illinois State is getting crapped on. They beat USD by 25 and both have 5-3 records... yet USD is ranked #15 and Illinois State is unranked. I looked for some impressive wins by USD and they don't exist (unless Lindenwood and NW Oklahoma State are considered impressive.)

If there were 10 FCS polls, the Coaches Poll would be ranked #12. I'm not even sure they are voting for the right sport.

[HoopsBison]

Well, maybe SOS wasn't the most accurate term to use, but I will say their loss of ISU is better than our win against Minny. Also, if you compare common opponent stats, they win "better" than us. They put up more "offensive" points for sure. Also, I think they have both a better D and O line than us, as well as better RB's and possibly a better all-around QB, but the margin is closing fast on the latter.

At the end of the day I'll take our boys vs their boys.....lets play some football.

[Hansel]

Coaches poll out:

http://www.soconsports.com/fls/4000/socon/FCS/polls/2011/2011_FCS_Coaches_Poll/index.html





1. Georgia Southern (27)

7-0

697

1



2. Northern Iowa (1)

6-1

666

2



3. North Dakota State

7-0

622

5



4. Montana State

7-1

618

3



5. Appalachian State

5-2

577

6



6. Lehigh

6-1

528

7



7. Sam Houston State

7-0

510

10



8. Montana

6-2

476

9



9. Wofford

5-2

451

4



10. James Madison

5-2

438

11



11. New Hampshire

5-2

421

12



12. Maine

6-1

403

14



13. Jacksonville State

5-2

393

8



14. Towson

6-1

348

17



15. South Dakota

5-3

276

19



16.Old Dominion

6-2

234

22



17. Jackson State

6-1

211

20



18. Indiana State

5-3

141

16



19. Tennessee Tech

4-2

131

23



20. Delaware

4-4

127

13



21. William & Mary

4-4

119

15



22. Alabama State

6-1

107

NR



23. Harvard

5-1

105

NR



24. Liberty

5-3

82

NR



25. North Dakota

4-3

62

18






Others receiving votes: Illinois State (59); Jacksonville (37); Norfolk State (33); McNeese State (27); Cal Poly (25); Eastern Washington (19); Central Arkansas (18); Chattanooga (15); Brown (14); Richmond (14); Youngstown State (13); Furman (12); Southern Illinois (9); Alcorn State (7); Sacramento State (7); Texas State (7); Albany (6); Florida A&M (5); Pennsylvania (5); Southern Utah (5); Massachusetts (3); San Diego (2); UT Martin (1)

No idea why Illinois State is getting crapped on. They beat USD by 25 and both have 5-3 records... yet USD is ranked #15 and Illinois State is unranked. I looked for some impressive wins by USD and they don't exist (unless Lindenwood and NW Oklahoma State are considered impressive.)

If there were 10 FCS polls, the Coaches Poll would be ranked #12. I'm not even sure they are voting for the right sport.


Did Missouri State disappear from the others receiving votes category?

[bisonaudit]

Well, maybe SOS wasn't the most accurate term to use, but I will say their loss of ISU is better than our win against Minny. Also, if you compare common opponent stats, they win "better" than us. They put up more "offensive" points for sure. Also, I think they have both a better D and O line than us, as well as better RB's and possibly a better all-around QB, but the margin is closing fast on the latter.

For what it's worth, Sagarin agrees with your assessment of the schedules. His algorithm says UNIs schedule is 5 points better than NDSUs at this point. However Sagarin disagrees with your assessment of who wins better as his predictor makes NDSU a very slight favorite on a neutral field.

[Strommer10]

Did Missouri State disappear from the others receiving votes category?
It would appear that the correction has been made.

[CAS4127]

For what it's worth, Sagarin agrees with your assessment of the schedules. His algorithm says UNIs schedule is 5 points better than NDSUs at this point. However Sagarin disagrees with your assessment of who wins better as his predictor makes NDSU a very slight favorite on a neutral field.

Interesting. What I meant by winning "better" is that UNI seems to score more points with its offense against common opponents than we do (think not including D or special teams), and seems to have better overall game stats than us both offensively and defensively against common opponents. In short, their offense does not seem to struggle as much as ours against common opponents who are relatively good--SIU and SDSU for example, and their D doesn't allow as many yards.

[bisonaudit]

Interesting. What I meant by winning "better" is that UNI seems to score more points with its offense against common opponents than we do (think not including D or special teams), and seems to have better overall game stats than us both offensively and defensively against common opponents. In short, their offense does not seem to struggle as much as ours against common opponents who are relatively good--SIU and SDSU for example, and their D doesn't allow as many yards.

Hammersmith's fine work on the Sagarin Says thread indicates that relative to expectations we've played better against weaker opponents and poorer against better ones. I don't know if that means that we're actually better against weaker opponents and struggle more than you'd otherwise expect with higher quality opponents or if we just happened to play better football those Saturdays.

I wonder what a similar analysis would say about UNI?

[CAS4127]

Hammersmith's fine work on the Sagarin Says thread indicates that relative to expectations we've played better against weaker opponents and poorer against better ones. I don't know if that means that we're actually better against weaker opponents and struggle more than you'd otherwise expect with higher quality opponents or if we just happened to play better football those Saturdays.

I wonder what a similar analysis would say about UNI?

So, basicallly we are saying the same thing, but just in different langauages, at least as far as my gross observations of the two teams.

[bisonaudit]

So, basicallly we are saying the same thing, but just in different langauages, at least as far as my gross observations of the two teams.
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[2011 Champions]

So, basicallly we are saying the same thing, but just in different langauages, at least as far as my gross observations of the two teams.

Duh.....that is why UNI will win by 22 on Saturday. I have been saying this all season long. Your stats and rankings are proped up against a weak schedule. You guys just said it too!

[Mr. Burgundy]

Well, maybe SOS wasn't the most accurate term to use, but I will say their loss of ISU is better than our win against Minny. Also, if you compare common opponent stats, they win "better" than us. They put up more "offensive" points for sure. Also, I think they have both a better D and O line than us, as well as better RB's and possibly a better all-around QB, but the margin is closing fast on the latter.

Jeez.....Did Lou Holtz steal your keyboard? We better not show up Coach Holtz!!! UNI IS STACKED!!! Man I am pumped for this week.

[CAS4127]

Duh.....that is why UNI will win by 22 on Saturday. I have been saying this all season long. Your stats and rankings are proped up against a weak schedule. You guys just said it too!

You dumbf*ck, that is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that UNI appears to me (in my eyes/judgment) to possibly be a little better than us. Not enough where this is going to be a 22 point blowout, idiot, but enough where it would not surprise me if UNI wins, or if we win for that matter.

Take you bullsh*t stupid ass posts and shove them up your you know what, and come back when you want to have a meaningful (not intellectual, as you aren't capable of that) conversation.

[The_Herd]

Georgia Southern has a rough rest of its schedule with games - @ App St. , @ Wofford, @ Alabama

[runtheoption]

You dumbf*ck, that is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that UNI appears to me (in my eyes/judgment) to possibly be a little better than us. Not enough where this is going to be a 22 point blowout, idiot, but enough where it would not surprise me if UNI wins, or if we win for that matter.

Take you bullsh*t stupid ass posts and shove them up your you know what, and come back when you want to have a meaningful (not intellectual, as you aren't capable of that) conversation.

Ya! My CAS can beat up your CAS!!

[TheBisonator]

Duh.....that is why UNI will win by 22 on Saturday. I have been saying this all season long. Your stats and rankings are proped up against a weak schedule. You guys just said it too!

LOL, you didn't beat us by 22 in 2009, and we had our 2nd worst Bison team in 45 years that year.

Go sit in the corner.

[Hammersmith]

Hammersmith's fine work on the Sagarin Says thread indicates that relative to expectations we've played better against weaker opponents and poorer against better ones. I don't know if that means that we're actually better against weaker opponents and struggle more than you'd otherwise expect with higher quality opponents or if we just happened to play better football those Saturdays.

I wonder what a similar analysis would say about UNI?

FWIW. I'm not seeing any clear pattern in this one.

rate predict actual diff
67 North Dakota State 69.90 -4.59
75 Northern Iowa 68.45
85 Iowa State 65.70 -0.39 -1.00 +0.61
99 Southern Utah 62.50 +9.09
106 Illinois State 60.90 +4.41
122 Indiana State 58.88 +12.71 +14.00 +1.29
135 Youngstown State 57.24 +14.35
157 Southern Illinois 52.31 +19.28 +7.00 -12.28
174 Missouri State 49.02 +16.29 +35.00 +18.71
176 South Dakota State 48.76 +16.55 +17.00 +0.45
183 Stephen F. Austin 46.65 +18.66 +11.00 -7.66
193 Western Illinois 45.55 +26.04 +28.00 +3.94

[JustinTyem]

10/24/2011 GPI Top 25
Rank, School, Rating, Change
1. Ga Southern (1.00) -0
2. N Dakota St (2.43) +1
3. Northern Iowa (3.00) -0
4. Sam Houston St (5.29) +2
5. Wofford (5.86) -3
6. Appalachian St (6.57) +2
7. Maine (7.57) -0
8. Montana St (8.29) -3
9. Towson (11.00) +4
10. Lehigh (11.14) -0
11. James Madison (11.43) -2
12T. Chattanooga (14.14) +5
12T. New Hampshire (14.14) +2
14. Montana (15.14) -2
15. Indiana St (15.57) -4
16. Harvard (15.86) -2
17. Brown (19.86) +5
18. Furman (20.00) +5
19. Illinois St (20.71) NEW
20. Samford (21.43) -4
21. Old Dominion (21.57) NEW
22. South Dakota (22.29) +2
23T. Liberty (23.71) -5
23T. Cal Poly (23.71) -3
25. Jacksonville St (24.86) -0 http://www.collegesportingnews.com/content.php?649-Georgia-Southern-Remains-Perched-on-Top-of-the-2011-Gridiron-Power-Index

[X-Factor]

I dont know where I would put UND. They have played such a strange schedule it is extremely hard to figure out where they ought to be.

Illinois St. is top 20 for sure in my opinion. They have been doing work as of late. I now don't feel so terrible for NDSU's sloppy, sloppy, sloppy game only scoring 20 points. UNI/GSU are still my top 2, NDSU (im a homer) 3, App St. 4, Montana St. 5.

App State at 4? have ya seen their defense? They are barely top 10.

[Bisonwinagn]

The GPI is the only poll that matters when it comes to playoff seeding and at large bids. The rest are a waste of time. If you look at the GPI it's really the only one that makes sense.

[NDSUstudent]

Really all these polls are meaningless, the playoff committee uses only internal polls. GPI is only used if a Pioneer League team could possibly earn their way into the field and none of their teams can meet that criteria this year.

[fargocyclone]

The GPI is the only poll that matters when it comes to playoff seeding and at large bids. The rest are a waste of time. If you look at the GPI it's really the only one that makes sense.

Not to nitpick here, but this is kind of an oxymoron, considering the GPI is based off of all these other "waste of time" polls amongst other things.

[NDSUstudent]

Conference Ranking from GPI...

Conference Ranking:
Rank, League, Total Average
1. Southern Conference (23.46)
2. Missouri Valley Football Conference (28.16)
3. Colonial Athletic Association (28.44)
4. Great West Conference (33.08)
5. Big Sky Conference (41.40)
6. Southland Conference (47.29)
7. Patriot League (47.53)
8. Ohio Valley Conference (51.57)
9. Independents (56.50)
10. Big South Conference (58.22)
11. Ivy League (58.31)
12. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (68.01)
13. Northeast Conference (72.02)
14. Pioneer Football League (77.29)
15. Southwestern Athletic Conference (79.73)

[344Johnson]

Tough putting appy in the top 5 imo. They already have 2 losses and will probably have 2 more before the end of the season. (Furman, GSU)

I hope Appy beats GSU, I just don't think they have the upperhand.

The ghost of Armanti Edwards will be there...oh wait. Armanti Edwards isn't dead, but maybe he will be at the game and inspire the team by showing them youtube highlights of App beating Michigan.

[2011 Champions]

You dumbf*ck, that is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that UNI appears to me (in my eyes/judgment) to possibly be a little better than us. Not enough where this is going to be a 22 point blowout, idiot, but enough where it would not surprise me if UNI wins, or if we win for that matter.

Take you bullsh*t stupid ass posts and shove them up your you know what, and come back when you want to have a meaningful (not intellectual, as you aren't capable of that) conversation.

Thank you Mr Happy.

[CAS4127]

Thank you Mr Happy.

Well, your posts have not really done anything to improve what otherwise is my normal disposition--just sayin!!:biggrin::detsucks: You comin to the game to back your smack up?? If so, get there early enough to join us for some tailgating.:hungry: I promise to be in a better mood, at least before the game. The outcome will dictate my post-game mood.

[Bison bison]

Article by Kolpack discussing the heap of manure that is the 2011 Coaches Poll. http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/338591/group/Sports/

This week's Missouri State/Montana State screw-up is unbelievable.

[Tatanka]

Article by Kolpack discussing the heap of manure that is the 2011 Coaches Poll.

It's too bad he didn't take it to the next level and call out the more local silliness (e.g. UxDs being ranked over ISU-r). Could have easily done so, with data to back it up. Wondering if the editors didn't truncate the story...

[Bison bison]

I think that he wrote it as to note make it look like a UND hit piece which it is not. Anyone who follows FCS and isn't a diehard fan of one of the overranked schools sees the poll for what it is.

[Bison"FANatic"]

I think that he wrote it as to note make it look like a UND hit piece which it is not. Anyone who follows FCS and isn't a diehard fan of one of the overranked schools sees the poll for what it is.

It is funny up on ss.com as they are crabbing, basically about this all being his hate for UND. Hello the world does not revolve around Grand Forks. There are many FCS schools and examples noted in the poll. It is a shot at the poll and a rightful shot at that. Missouri gets what 23 points, and Montana drops and hmm if they would have been ranked number 3 as they had been they would get hmmm (1st gets 25, 2nd gets 24) 23 POINTS. This poll has been a joke and He is basically saying take it serious and get it right or don't do it.

[Tatanka]

It is funny up on ss.com as they are crabbing, basically about this all being his hate for UND. Hello the world does not revolve around Grand Forks. There are many FCS schools and examples noted in the poll. It is a shot at the poll and a rightful shot at that. Missouri gets what 23 points, and Montana drops and hmm if they would have been ranked number 3 as they had been they would get hmmm (1st gets 25, 2nd gets 24) 23 POINTS. This poll has been a joke and He is basically saying take it serious and get it right or don't do it.

Grand Forks is an island surrounded by reality.

[TransAmBison]

Grand Forks is an island surrounded by reality.Luckily they had the dikes built.

[tony]

Pretty sure Kolpack didn't mention the obvious UND and USD nonsense because he didn't want to have a bunch of UND fans having hissy fits (doesn't look like that worked.)

FCS Coaches Poll is a joke - if they can't get competent voters,then they should discontinue it.

[Bison bison]

don't forget the blatant homerism!

[NorthernBison]

Pretty sure Kolpack didn't mention the obvious UND and USD nonsense because he didn't want to have a bunch of UND fans having hissy fits (doesn't look like that worked.)

FCS Coaches Poll is a joke - if they can't get competent voters,then they should discontinue it.

He did make the mistake of bringing up the potential of voters confusing UND and NDSU after the Fresno State moral victory. That's what flipped the mouthbreathers into orbit. He should have left that speculation out.

[DjKyRo]

For there to be hate doesn't there first need to be some measure of acknowledgment of a good football program? Note the Panther fans cropping up on BV this week.

[tony]

He did make the mistake of bringing up the potential of voters confusing UND and NDSU after the Fresno State moral victory. That's what flipped the mouthbreathers into orbit. He should have left that speculation out.

I don't see how he could have written an article about how NDSU dropped 6 places in the Coaches Poll after a bye week without mentioning that incompetent pollsters obviously mixed up UND and NDSU. Remember: NDSU started the year at #11. Even if you are a UND fan and capable of saying that the pollsters were justified in dropping NDSU 6 places after a bye week, how does any team drop a place in the ranking after 3 consecutive wins?

By the way, UND fans shouldn't cry about NDSU's win againt the Gophers... if beating the Gophers decisively is so horrible, then how woeful is it to be Idaho's only win of the season? :)

[NorthernBison]

I don't see how he could have written an article about how NDSU dropped 6 places in the Coaches Poll after a bye week without mentioning that incompetent pollsters obviously mixed up UND and NDSU. Remember: NDSU started the year at #11. Even if you are a UND fan and capable of saying that the pollsters were justified in dropping NDSU 6 places after a bye week, how does any team drop a place in the ranking after 3 consecutive wins?

By the way, UND fans shouldn't cry about NDSU's win againt the Gophers... if beating the Gophers decisively is so horrible, then how woeful is it to be Idaho's only win of the season? :)

Really it's not obvious. That's speculation on his part and could have been left out of the story. The unexplained drop was enough of a oddity to question the poll. Add in other inconsistencies and you have a good column without sidetracking it with crap.

I point this out because there was one poster who said the column was written to avoid looking like a UND hit piece while another poster says the faithfull in Grand Forks are throwing hissy fits because they think it is.

He could have written it without the speculation and avoided any UND/NDSU comparisons but that's not the way of the media. Never miss an opportunity to stir something up.

[Bison bison]

That's horsepoop, NorthernBison.

The UND/NDSU situation is evidence of a poorly run poll, that's it.

[NDSUstudent]

I think the confusion is obvious and it is happening in other polls as well. It seems like every other week it is happening in the AGS poll, this week it cost us a #4 vote. Something obviously happened during that bye week in the coaches, voters obviously confused the two schools otherwise there is no other rational explanation as to what happened. For God's sake teams that also had byes jumped us, if people weren't confused did they think those schools preformed better on their bye week then we did? No other explanation makes sense.

In a 28 voter poll one vote meant for NDSU that goes to UND instead could have a major effect. My biggest issue with the poll is that it is dead wrong to use that small of a sample size...they need to have three times as many coaches vote or just stop doing the poll altogether.

Right now the FCS coaches poll is done half-assed and everyone in the subdivision deserves better.

[tony]

Really it's not obvious. That's speculation on his part and could have been left out of the story. The unexplained drop was enough of a oddity to question the poll. Add in other inconsistencies and you have a good column without sidetracking it with crap.


Really? Well, give me another explanation for NDSU's 6-spot drop after a bye week in the FCS Coaches Poll, alone of all the polls. Doesn't the fact that NDSU's drop coincided with UND's mystery appearance in the poll also seem to indicate just that kind of mix up?

I mean, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter - it's just something to chat about.

[NorthernBison]

That's horsepoop, NorthernBison.

The UND/NDSU situation is evidence of a poorly run poll, that's it.

Whatever. Apparently you have actual evidence that voters got the schools mixed up. Hard facts???

For the record, Kolpack's speculation seems plausible to me but it's far from a proven fact (unless some voters have confessed).

It bothers me that so many of my fellow Bison fans come across as petty whiners about UND getting ranked. Like a bunch of Elementary School kids. Does it really matter anymore?

Wasn't the coaches poll the only one that had EWU as #1 at the end of the 2010 regular season? They got it right last season. More accurate than the selection committee that set up the playoff field and seeded the teams.

[NorthernBison]

Really? Well, give me another explanation for NDSU's 6-spot drop after a bye week in the FCS Coaches Poll, alone of all the polls. Doesn't the fact that NDSU's drop coincided with UND's mystery appearance in the poll also seem to indicate just that kind of mix up?

I mean, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter - it's just something to chat about.

If Kolpack wanted to write a column about the Poll and keep the focus on the poll, he should have left out the kind of speculation that causes the discussion to get derailed. If he wanted to stir up discussion about the validity of the poll in Grand Forks, he failed. If he wanted to cause another big NDSU/UND pissing contest, he succeeded.

[CAS4127]

If Kolpack wanted to write a column about the Poll and keep the focus on the poll, he should have left out the kind of speculation that causes the discussion to get derailed. If he wanted to stir up discussion about the validity of the poll in Grand Forks, he failed. If he wanted to cause another big NDSU/UND pissing contest, he succeeded.

Is there anything happening at the Fargodome tomorrow at roughly 3:07 p.m.????

I think I am gonna check out whatever it is!!!

[Spiker]

It has been shown that the pollsters didn't get the schools mixed up the Ist week because UND has continued to be ranked for what is it 5 or 6 weeks now. Kolpack was proven to be wrong so it is very unresponsible reporting to continue the unprofessional reporting of an innacuracy. That is what got people mad. Kolpack just seems preoccupied with UND like most Bison fans are. You guys need to move on and worry less about UND.

[bisonaudit]

If Kolpack wanted to write a column about the Poll and keep the focus on the poll, he should have left out the kind of speculation that causes the discussion to get derailed. If he wanted to stir up discussion about the validity of the poll in Grand Forks, he failed. If he wanted to cause another big NDSU/UND pissing contest, he succeeded.

No matter the author's intent. This stuff in unavoidable because so many on each side go out of there way to see absolutely everything through the lense of NDSU v. UND. It's as if whole swaths of the population have been zapped with a stupid ray that disables any cluster of nerves more sophisticated than the brain stem, they've gotten out the green and purple sashes and the Drazi have chosen up sides.

[NDSUstudent]

It has been shown that the pollsters didn't get the schools mixed up the Ist week because UND has continued to be ranked for what is it 5 or 6 weeks now. Kolpack was proven to be wrong so it is very unresponsible reporting to continue the unprofessional reporting of an innacuracy. That is what got people mad. Kolpack just seems preoccupied with UND like most Bison fans are. You guys need to move on and worry less about UND.

So NDSU's six spot drop, past other teams that were also on bye just happened for no reason? Did those schools just have a better bye week then NDSU or what? UND being ranked in later polls proves nothing...UND won more games after that, other teams lost and plus if that one poll was flawed later polls could be flawed because of it.

[Bison bison]

Whatever. Apparently you have actual evidence that voters got the schools mixed up. Hard facts???

For the record, Kolpack's speculation seems plausible to me but it's far from a proven fact (unless some voters have confessed).

It bothers me that so many of my fellow Bison fans come across as petty whiners about UND getting ranked. Like a bunch of Elementary School kids. Does it really matter anymore?


Evidence: thing helpful in forming a conclusion or judgement. The fact that NDSU fell and UND rose is EVIDENCE that the FCS Coaches poll is a joke.

UND is currently ranked in the top 25 in the FCS coaches poll despite having A SINGLE win against a DI scholarship program NINE WEEKS INTO THE SEASON! I'm not whining, I'm ROTFLMAO!!!

[CAS4127]

No matter the author's intent. This stuff in unavoidable because so many on each side go out of there way to see absolutely everything through the lense of NDSU v. UND. It's as if whole swaths of the population have been zapped with a stupid ray that disables any cluster of nerves more sophisticated than the brain stem, they've gotten out the green and purple sashes and the Drazi have chosen up sides.

Hey audit! I heard this saying yesterday, and, for some reason, thought of you. Not in a bad way or that it was applicable to you, but your username popped into my head. To wit:

Figures/Statistics are liars, and liars use figures/statistics!!!

Have good weekend, and, again, I am not suggesting the saying applies to you--just thought of you when I heard it!!

[Bison bison]

It has been shown that the pollsters didn't get the schools mixed up the Ist week because UND has continued to be ranked for what is it 5 or 6 weeks now.

During which time UND won ITS FIRST AND ONLY game against DI competition.

More EVIDENCE that the polls are a joke.

[bisonaudit]

For what it's worth, Sagarin has UND rated 21st, just behind Northwestern State and just ahead of Towson.

[Bison bison]

and the sagarin doesn't consider its games against non-DI competition.

[bisonaudit]

and the sagarin doesn't consider its games against non-DI competition.

Yes and no. As I understand it, they're included in the calculation of the rating but not in the strength of schedule.

I don't think the fact the UND is showing up in the bottom of the poll is necessarily a condemnation of the poll. I think it basically says that once you get past maybe the first dozen or so teams, give or take, you run into an large vein of indistinguishable OKness that's about 30 teams deep.

[80ALUM]

It has been shown that the pollsters didn't get the schools mixed up the Ist week because UND has continued to be ranked for what is it 5 or 6 weeks now. Kolpack was proven to be wrong so it is very unresponsible reporting to continue the unprofessional reporting of an innacuracy. That is what got people mad. Kolpack just seems preoccupied with UND like most Bison fans are. You guys need to move on and worry less about UND.
It has not been shown that the schools were not mixed up. Just because they continue to be ranked (only in the coaches poll, having dropped out of the media poll) does not mean that pollsters were not mixing the two schools up each and every week. And how and by whom has Kolpack been proved wrong? Just because a Susie fan says so does not necessarily make it so! Would Susie fans be moving on if things were reversed and we were getting votes meant for them? I think not.