The Sports Network/Fathead Op 25

[bri-dog]

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http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm


Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Eastern Washington Eagles (90) 13-2 3,377 1
2. Appalachian State Mountaineers (14) 10-3 3,142 4
3. William & Mary Tribe (20) 8-4 3,110 10
4. Georgia Southern Eagles (11) 10-5 3,095 5
5. Delaware Blue Hens (2) 12-3 2,806 2
6. Montana State Bobcats 9-3 2,623 11
7. Northern Iowa Panthers 7-5 2,452 19
8. Wofford Terriers 10-3 2,357 6
9. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 9-3 2,028 12
10. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 8-5 2,025 7
11. North Dakota State Bison 9-5 1,720 9
12. Montana Grizzlies 7-4 1,668 20
13. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 10-3 1,351 14
14. Villanova Wildcats (2) 9-5 1,262 3
15. James Madison Dukes 6-5 1,247 NR
16. Richmond Spiders 6-5 987 NR
17. Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 9-3 969 8
18. Central Arkansas Bears 7-4 961 NR
19. Southern Illinois Salukis 5-6 934 NR
20. McNeese State Cowboys 6-5 701 NR
21. Chattanooga Mocs 6-5 672 NR
22. Liberty Flames 8-3 630 21
23. South Carolina State Bulldogs 9-3 628 16
24. Sacramento State Hornets 6-5 587 NR
25. Massachusetts Minutemen 6-5 519 NR

Others receiving votes: Penn 456, Bethune-Cookman 425, Southeast Missouri State 341, Murray State 315, Western Illinois 247, Southern Utah 240, Jacksonville 215, Cal Poly 168, Stony Brook 163, Grambling State 146, Eastern Kentucky 139, Jackson State 76, Florida A&M 76, Colgate 75, Sam Houston State 75, Harvard 54, Indiana State 51, UC Davis 48, South Dakota State 40, Youngstown State 28, Central Connecticut State 26, Coastal Carolina 25, Dayton 21, Northwestern State 20, Northern Arizona 18, Elon 16, Yale 15, Weber State 13, Illinois State 12, Tennessee Tech 12, Rhode Island 11, Maine 10, Albany 10, Texas Southern 10, Northern Colorado 10, Furman 10, Brown 8, South Dakota 7, Old Dominion 5, Columbia 5, Missouri State 2, Robert Morris 2, Hampton 1, Duquesne 1, UT Martin 1.
As of August 15, 2011, at 02:36 PM ET

[Bisontug]

I haven't seen this posted; feel free to delete it if it has...

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm


Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Eastern Washington Eagles (90) 13-2 3,377 1
2. Appalachian State Mountaineers (14) 10-3 3,142 4
3. William & Mary Tribe (20) 8-4 3,110 10
4. Georgia Southern Eagles (11) 10-5 3,095 5
5. Delaware Blue Hens (2) 12-3 2,806 2
6. Montana State Bobcats 9-3 2,623 11
7. Northern Iowa Panthers 7-5 2,452 19
8. Wofford Terriers 10-3 2,357 6
9. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 9-3 2,028 12
10. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 8-5 2,025 7
11. North Dakota State Bison 9-5 1,720 9
12. Montana Grizzlies 7-4 1,668 20
13. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 10-3 1,351 14
14. Villanova Wildcats (2) 9-5 1,262 3
15. James Madison Dukes 6-5 1,247 NR
16. Richmond Spiders 6-5 987 NR
17. Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 9-3 969 8
18. Central Arkansas Bears 7-4 961 NR
19. Southern Illinois Salukis 5-6 934 NR
20. McNeese State Cowboys 6-5 701 NR
21. Chattanooga Mocs 6-5 672 NR
22. Liberty Flames 8-3 630 21
23. South Carolina State Bulldogs 9-3 628 16
24. Sacramento State Hornets 6-5 587 NR
25. Massachusetts Minutemen 6-5 519 NR

Others receiving votes: Penn 456, Bethune-Cookman 425, Southeast Missouri State 341, Murray State 315, Western Illinois 247, Southern Utah 240, Jacksonville 215, Cal Poly 168, Stony Brook 163, Grambling State 146, Eastern Kentucky 139, Jackson State 76, Florida A&M 76, Colgate 75, Sam Houston State 75, Harvard 54, Indiana State 51, UC Davis 48, South Dakota State 40, Youngstown State 28, Central Connecticut State 26, Coastal Carolina 25, Dayton 21, Northwestern State 20, Northern Arizona 18, Elon 16, Yale 15, Weber State 13, Illinois State 12, Tennessee Tech 12, Rhode Island 11, Maine 10, Albany 10, Texas Southern 10, Northern Colorado 10, Furman 10, Brown 8, South Dakota 7, Old Dominion 5, Columbia 5, Missouri State 2, Robert Morris 2, Hampton 1, Duquesne 1, UT Martin 1.
As of August 15, 2011, at 02:36 PM ET

Well... at least they didn't call us the Bisons...:evil:

[Bison Dan]

I haven't seen this posted; feel free to delete it if it has...

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/misc/tsn-div-1aa-poll.htm


Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Eastern Washington Eagles (90) 13-2 3,377 1
2. Appalachian State Mountaineers (14) 10-3 3,142 4
3. William & Mary Tribe (20) 8-4 3,110 10
4. Georgia Southern Eagles (11) 10-5 3,095 5
5. Delaware Blue Hens (2) 12-3 2,806 2
6. Montana State Bobcats 9-3 2,623 11
7. Northern Iowa Panthers 7-5 2,452 19
8. Wofford Terriers 10-3 2,357 6
9. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 9-3 2,028 12
10. New Hampshire Wildcats (1) 8-5 2,025 7
11. North Dakota State Bison 9-5 1,720 9
12. Montana Grizzlies 7-4 1,668 20
13. Lehigh Mountain Hawks 10-3 1,351 14
14. Villanova Wildcats (2) 9-5 1,262 3
15. James Madison Dukes 6-5 1,247 NR
16. Richmond Spiders 6-5 987 NR
17. Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks 9-3 969 8
18. Central Arkansas Bears 7-4 961 NR
19. Southern Illinois Salukis 5-6 934 NR
20. McNeese State Cowboys 6-5 701 NR
21. Chattanooga Mocs 6-5 672 NR
22. Liberty Flames 8-3 630 21
23. South Carolina State Bulldogs 9-3 628 16
24. Sacramento State Hornets 6-5 587 NR
25. Massachusetts Minutemen 6-5 519 NR

Others receiving votes: Penn 456, Bethune-Cookman 425, Southeast Missouri State 341, Murray State 315, Western Illinois 247, Southern Utah 240, Jacksonville 215, Cal Poly 168, Stony Brook 163, Grambling State 146, Eastern Kentucky 139, Jackson State 76, Florida A&M 76, Colgate 75, Sam Houston State 75, Harvard 54, Indiana State 51, UC Davis 48, South Dakota State 40, Youngstown State 28, Central Connecticut State 26, Coastal Carolina 25, Dayton 21, Northwestern State 20, Northern Arizona 18, Elon 16, Yale 15, Weber State 13, Illinois State 12, Tennessee Tech 12, Rhode Island 11, Maine 10, Albany 10, Texas Southern 10, Northern Colorado 10, Furman 10, Brown 8, South Dakota 7, Old Dominion 5, Columbia 5, Missouri State 2, Robert Morris 2, Hampton 1, Duquesne 1, UT Martin 1.
As of August 15, 2011, at 02:36 PM ET

I don't see the Fighting Who anywhere. Must be a mistake! Recount!

[bisonmike2]

I don't see the Fighting Who anywhere. Must be a mistake! Recount!

I think the law that they had the legislation pass doesn't install them as the defacto #1 team in FCS football until September 1st. I could be wrong though.

[No_Skill]

Unless I missed someone, it looks like every team in the MVFC received at least some votes.

[SDbison]

Maybe I am missing something.....do these pollsters even look at playoff results......apparently they do for Eastern Washington.
NDSU barely loses to eventual national champion in overtime at their place in the quartefinals and defeats by a wide margin Montana State at their place in the first round, yet Montana State is consistently ranked above NDSU. I just don't get it.

[Notorious]

Maybe I am missing something.....do these pollsters even look at playoff results......apparently they do for Eastern Washington.
NDSU barely loses to eventual national champion in overtime at their place in the quartefinals and defeats by a wide margin Montana State at their place in the first round, yet Montana State is consistently ranked above NDSU. I just don't get it.

And we return some key starters...probably doesn't matter anyway, as we'll be near the top by mid-year; however, it does seem biased for some reason.

[Tatanka]

Maybe I am missing something.....do these pollsters even look at playoff results......apparently they do for Eastern Washington.
NDSU barely loses to eventual national champion in overtime at their place in the quartefinals and defeats by a wide margin Montana State at their place in the first round, yet Montana State is consistently ranked above NDSU. I just don't get it.

It has teh word "Montana" in it, which autoqualifies for a lifetime achievement award in the polls.

[Tatanka]

I don't see the Fighting Who anywhere. Must be a mistake! Recount!

Hell, even Missouri State got votes. That's downright delusional.

[CAS4127]

Hell, even Missouri State got votes. That's downright delusional.

They beat us the last game of teh regular season--just sayin!!

[NorthernBison]

Hell, even Missouri State got votes. That's downright delusional.

Especially when you look at how bad we whipped them last year. :hide:

[Scooter1]

Where the hell is Lafayette?

I thought most of us didn't have a clue?!?

Apparently, the rest of the nation also realize that 7 and 8 win seasons don't mean much if five of them come from Columbia, Marist, Georgetown, Bucknell and Fordham every year.

Not really serious...just a little good humored smack, Lafayette fans. :duel:

[Tatanka]

They beat us the last game of teh regular season--just sayin!!


Especially when you look at how bad we whipped them last year. :hide:

Understood.
I think that said more about NDSU than it did about them. So they beat us, does that make them a top 25 team?

[MNLonghorn10]

Maybe I am missing something.....do these pollsters even look at playoff results......apparently they do for Eastern Washington.
NDSU barely loses to eventual national champion in overtime at their place in the quartefinals and defeats by a wide margin Montana State at their place in the first round, yet Montana State is consistently ranked above NDSU. I just don't get it.

to be honest, i dont even think ndsu would be ranked top 3-4 had they gone on to win it all.

[westnodak93bison]

Maybe I am missing something.....do these pollsters even look at playoff results......apparently they do for Eastern Washington.
NDSU barely loses to eventual national champion in overtime at their place in the quartefinals and defeats by a wide margin Montana State at their place in the first round, yet Montana State is consistently ranked above NDSU. I just don't get it.

Politics my friend. Politics.
Who really cares anyway. I care because at the end of the season polls matter for playoff seeding. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[CAS4127]

Understood.
I think that said more about NDSU than it did about them. So they beat us, does that make them a top 25 team?

Well, they aren't in the top 25, they just got votes. That said, they are supposed to be a much improved team this year, so who knows.

All I know is that this is just a pre-season poll, and as long as we are in the top 15 and we have a good season, we make the playoffs again!!

[Tatanka]

Well, they aren't in the top 25, they just got votes. That said, they are supposed to be a much improved team this year, so who knows.

All I know is that this is just a pre-season poll, and as long as we are in the top 15 and we have a good season, we make the playoffs again!!

In order for them to get votes, someone put them in the top 25, no? :D

All I know is I agree with your other statement.

[CAS4127]

In order for them to get votes, someone put them in the top 25, no? :D

All I know is I agree with your other statement.

Not sure how the poll works. It may just ask for votes on FCS teams as well as No. 1 votes, and then whoever gets the most votes gets number 1, and so on. Notice how the number 1 votes are noted? Also, I am sure you have seen polls where the number 1 ranked team does not receive the most number 1 votes, but, I don't know how it works for sure.

[Tatanka]

Not sure how the poll works. It may just ask for votes on FCS teams as well as No. 1 votes, and then whoever gets the most votes gets number 1, and so on. Notice how the number 1 votes are noted? Also, I am sure you have seen polls where the number 1 ranked team does not receive the most number 1 votes, but, I don't know how it works for sure.

Possible.

Most polls work on a reverse points platform. 25 points for a #1 vote, 24 for a #2, 23 for a #3, ... , 1 for a #25. This particular poll has 140 voters, and the #1 votes are listed seperately. it is mathematically possible for a team to be #1 in points but not have the most #1 votes... one way for this to happen is for a team to get a lot of #1 votes but a lot more # 4 or #5 votes.

All I know is UND's football team is definitely a #2. Everything else at this point is conjecture.

[SDbison]

Possible.

Most polls work on a reverse points platform. 25 points for a #1 vote, 24 for a #2, 23 for a #3, ... , 1 for a #25. This particular poll has 140 voters, and the #1 votes are listed seperately. it is mathematically possible for a team to be #1 in points but not have the most #1 votes... one way for this to happen is for a team to get a lot of #1 votes but a lot more # 4 or #5 votes.

All I know is UND's football team is definitely a #2. Everything else at this point is conjecture.
I see what you did there!

[Tatanka]

I see what you did there!

Damn right, I inadvertantly just gave them 24 points. :facepalm:

[TransAmBison]

Damn right, I inadvertantly just gave them 24 points. :facepalm:
Moral victory?

[SDbison]

Oh, I thought Tatanka was associating UND with #2 in the bathroom.......

[TransAmBison]

Oh, I thought Tatanka was associating UND with #2 in the bathroom.......
He would never do something so juvenile.

[BisonKent]

Having had a vote in this poll in the past, I know they just ask for each person's Top 25. 25 points for #1 down to 1 point for #25. So someone had to put the teams with votes somewhere in their ballot.

[Tatanka]

He would never do something so juvenile.

Never, never. :D

[SDbison]

Never, never. :D
So you did drop a deuce on UND............

[Tatanka]

So you did drop a deuce on UND............

I like to think I do that every morning. I usually remember to flush twice. It's a long way to Grand Forks. :D

[OrygunBison]

So you did drop a deuce on UND............

Welcome to the world of unnecessary potty humor in a football thread. It's nice to have you join us. My name is Jim. Please have a seat and stay awhile.

[SDbison]

Welcome to the world of unnecessary potty humor in a football thread. It's nice to have you join us. My name is Jim. Please have a seat and stay awhile.
Figured if I can't beat'em, join'em.

[OrygunBison]

Figured if I can't beat'em, join'em.

Wow, I was sure you had me on ignore by now.

See you in MSP. I'll be the drunk guy wearing green.

Back on topic, I'm happy to be considered and all but I'm not sure we deserve anything higher than 15. Sure, we beat a couple of teams in the playoffs but we also proved that we were pretty beatable during the season.

Like everyone else, I'm more interested in the early November polls.

[NDSUstudent]

#11 is just fine with me, this team hasn't earned a top 10 ranking yet.

[mnriverbison]

Back on topic, I'm happy to be considered and all but I'm not sure we deserve anything higher than 15. Sure, we beat a couple of teams in the playoffs but we also proved that we were pretty beatable during the season.

Like everyone else, I'm more interested in the early November polls.

No kidding. It's funny how some people think that last year should really mean something when they do polls for this year, but by last year I only really mean look to the beginning of our great end-of-season winning streak. Anything which happened in that same season but before our big streak doesn't count!

Also-in threads about discussing pre-season or even mid-season rankings, we should all just agree that (even though we are arguing about these polls) we all know that they are meaningless and that we don't care about them.

[Answer Guy]

Figured if I can't beat'em, join'em.

Excellent choice, wiener-head! :D

[Tatanka]

No kidding. It's funny how some people think that last year should really mean something when they do polls for this year, but by last year I only really mean look to the beginning of our great end-of-season winning streak. Anything which happened in that same season but before our big streak doesn't count!

Also-in threads about discussing pre-season or even mid-season rankings, we should all just agree that (even though we are arguing about these polls) we all know that they are meaningless and that we don't care about them.

I'll buy into this.

[OrygunBison]

...our big streak...

What big streak? We won two games in a row late in the season, one of which was a quality opponent. (Sorry RBU.) I was tempted to say 2.9 games in the streak but we started the EWU game down 14-0, looking pretty bad in the process.

For the love of God and Country, I still cannot shake the vision of losing 0-3 to MSU. That game gives me reason to at least pause in all of my crazy optimism.

I'm just as excited as the rest of you but I have no delusion that we are a "proven" commodity. Potential, yes. Anywhere in the top 25 is just gravy to me at this point.

Eh, fuck it. I predict that we'll be 10-1 going into the playoff in the FFD.

[mnriverbison]

What big streak? We won two games in a row late in the season, one of which was a quality opponent. (Sorry RBU.) I was tempted to say 2.9 games in the streak but we started the EWU game down 14-0, looking pretty bad in the process.


I didn't mean big streak as in a long winning streak, I meant big as in an influential string of play. The playoffs, all 3 games. People want to use our effort in the playoffs as a reason why we are being slighted in certain pre-season polls. As if the pollsters should look back into our history for as long as it is beneficial to us, but not any further to say, a game 7 days earlier where we were shutout by MSU with what we thought may be our playoff lives in our hands. That's all what I meant.