Fargo = 105,549

[roadwarrior]

Huge growth in Fargo's population in the last decade! 16.5%!

[NDSUstudent]

I always knew those estimates were crap. Seriously in 2006 the census estimated Fargo had 90,056 people(A loss of population from the 2000 census).

[TheBisonator]

That is AWESOME!!! Cass county's population is 149,778. Clay County is 58,999. That's a metro population of 208,777 people. That's an increase in metro population from 2000-2010 of 34,410 people. Fargo grew by 14,950 people in the last decade. Anyone know how much West Fargo is now??

In any case, GREAT news for F-M!!!

[lakesbison]

This sucks, SO NDSU FBALL GETS 17,000-18,000 and bball gets 3500-4000??? Out of 208,000?? That sucks, step it up ndsu !

[NDSUstudent]

West Fargo 25,830(73% increase)
Horace 2,430(166% increase)
Moorhead 38,065(15.4% increase)
Dilworth 4,025(25.4% increase)

[TheBisonator]

Fargo - 105,549
Moorhead - 38,065
West Fargo - 25,830
Dilworth - 4,024
Horace - 2,430

Urban area population: 175,898

ON EDIT: Beat to it

[TheBisonator]

208,777 in the metro. That's AWESOME!!! I was thinking maybe it could reach 205,000 for the census, but MAN, to almost breach 210,000 is AMAZING!!!

Let's go for 300,000 by 2020. F-M would have to grow by 91,000 in that time frame. CAN WE DO IT???

[tony]

So when does West Fargo become the third-largest city in North Dakota?

[TheBisonator]

The thing that impresses me is the fact that in the urban area (i.e. all development that's attatched to each other, not counting outlying rural land), the population is about 176,000. That's an increase of over 35,000 from the 2000 census. I mean, that's just AWESOME. I'm VERY PLEASED with the numbers that are out today!!

[TheBisonator]

So when does West Fargo become the third-largest city in North Dakota?

I think El Forko still has twice as much as WF, so there's a way to go.

[roadwarrior]

11 counties in ND gained population and 42 lost population!

[TheBisonator]

11 counties in ND gained population and 42 lost population!

That's actually good news. Back in the early 2000's, it was estimated that only 4 ND counties were gaining population and 49 were losing. I was actually pleased to see 11 counties gaining population.

Remember, most counties you can't expect to gain population in our instance. But if about a dozen or so key important counties are, that accounts for the state's population growth.

Burleigh county and a bunch of counties out west gained in the past decade.

[TheBisonator]

Cass, Burleigh, Grand Forks (barely), Ward, Morton, Mountrail, Rolette, Stark, Williams, Sioux, and McKenzie counties all gained population.

[TheBisonator]

I know I've post-whored in this thread, so I'll just say one more thing:

Cue the disgruntled farts writing to the papers and complaining that North Dakota is too big, I can't live here anymore cause I had to wait in line at the Post Office, and they installed a stoplight near my house!!!

[CAS4127]

I will soon have my own kingdom that is Traill County!!

[TheBisonator]

4-county F-M-Wahpeton metro is 231,674 people. Although I don't see how it is a relevant number anymore. I used to, until the city of Wahpeton went tits-up economically and demographically.

[roadwarrior]

The population of Zap is 237

[TheBisonator]

The population of Zap is 237

It grew by 6 people!!!

Hey Road, where are you getting all the city info from?? I can't find it on the Census website.

[roadwarrior]

It grew by 6 people!!!

Hey Road, where are you getting all the city info from?? I can't find it on the Census website.

I found it there, but don't make me try to retrace my steps! It's kind of like one of those automated phone systems.

[TheBisonator]

I found it there, but don't make me try to retrace my steps! It's kind of like one of those automated phone systems.

Was it on FactFinder?? That place is a nightmare to navigate.

[roadwarrior]

Was it on FactFinder?? That place is a nightmare to navigate.

Here you go:

http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_PL_GCTPL1.ST13&prodType=table

[coldspot]

that search program is a clusterfuck to navigate.:banghead:

[tony]

I know I've post-whored in this thread, so I'll just say one more thing:

Cue the disgruntled farts writing to the papers and complaining that North Dakota is too big, I can't live here anymore cause I had to wait in line at the Post Office, and they installed a stoplight near my house!!!

North Dakota is barely growing - most growth in cities right now is being caused by people moving into the city from rural areas, but that can't keep up much longer.

Not a big fan of sprawl myself. It takes farm land out of production and jacks up infrastructure cost. Hopefully, F-M-WF grow inwards instead of outwards in the next decade.

[CAS4127]

North Dakota is barely growing - most growth in cities right now is being caused by people moving into the city from rural areas, but that can't keep up much longer.

Not a big fan of sprawl myself. It takes farm land out of production and jacks up infrastructure cost. Hopefully, F-M-WF grow inwards instead of outwards in the next decade.

As in "grow smaller"/shrink--oxymoron!

[roadwarrior]

Hopefully, F-M-WF grow inwards instead of outwards in the next decade.

Not with the several hundred lot Deer Creek development in south Fargo. It is at 55th Ave S and just east of the Sheyenne River.

[99Bison]

Not with the several hundred lot Deer Creek development in south Fargo. It is at 55th Ave S and just east of the Sheyenne River.

Yea ain't happening, land is too cheap to make people stay inward... unless of course you get on the wrong side of a diversion.

[BadlandsBison]

North Dakota is barely growing - most growth in cities right now is being caused by people moving into the city from rural areas, but that can't keep up much longer.

Not a big fan of sprawl myself. It takes farm land out of production and jacks up infrastructure cost. Hopefully, F-M-WF grow inwards instead of outwards in the next decade.

This.
The sprawl in Cass county is taking up some of America's best farm land. Plus, with the traffic increase you need at least a half hour to get across Fargo when its busy
I'm too used to rural areas:)

[TheBisonator]

Minot is over 40,000 now! 40,888 people

[CAS4127]

Someone check Hillsboro for me--I can't get it for some reason.

Get me 2000 vs. 2010 data please!

[TheBisonator]

Dickinson - 17,787
El Forko - 52,838
Bismarck - 61,272

[TheBisonator]

Someone check Hillsboro for me--I can't get it for some reason.

Get me 2000 vs. 2010 data please!

Hillsboro in 2010 has 1,603.

In 2000 it had 1,563

[CAS4127]

Hillsboro in 2010 has 1,603.

In 2000 it had 1,563

Thanks Bnator--unbelievable that I guy in Toronto can get that info easier than me.:banghead:

[coldspot]

Hillsboro in 2010 has 1,603.

In 2000 it had 1,563

that commercial they've got must be working, or somebody is pumping out kids faster than the duggers

[roadwarrior]

Hillsboro in 2010 has 1,603.

In 2000 it had 1,563

Those must be the people working on the new football stadium.

[TheBisonator]

ND cities over 10,000 people:

105,549 - Fargo
61,272 - Bismarck
52,838 - Grand Forks
40,888 - Minot
25,830 - West Fargo
18,331 - Mandan
17,787 - Dickinson
15,427 - Jamestown
14,716 - Williston

[CAS4127]

that commercial they've got must be working, or somebody is pumping out kids faster than the duggers

Me, wife and daughter = 3, which leaves 37 more. Plus, the medical center recently built a 40+ bed center for the elderly. That should about account for the +40.

[CAS4127]

Those must be the people working on the new football stadium.

No, there waiting to help with the SHAC construction!!:D :p

[tony]

ND cities over 10,000 people:

105,549 - Fargo
61,272 - Bismarck
52,838 - Grand Forks
40,888 - Minot
25,830 - West Fargo
19,053 - FargoDome
18,331 - Mandan
17,787 - Dickinson
15,427 - Jamestown
14,716 - Williston

Yeah, that's the ticket.

[Tatanka]

Dickinson - 17,787
El Forko - 52,838
Bismarck - 61,272

How many of them just live there part-time online, taking a class in Norwegian or something?

[ndsubison1]

208,777 in the metro. That's AWESOME!!! I was thinking maybe it could reach 205,000 for the census, but MAN, to almost breach 210,000 is AMAZING!!!

Let's go for 300,000 by 2020. F-M would have to grow by 91,000 in that time frame. CAN WE DO IT???

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/168815/Borat_thumbs_up.jpg

[TheBisonator]

ND cities from 2,000-10,000 people:



7,766 - Wahpeton
7,141 - Devils Lake
6,585 - Valley City
4,284 - Grafton
3,121 - Beulah
2,876 - Rugby
2,430 - Horace
2,411 - Hazen
2,406 - Lincoln
2,329 - Casselton
2,211 - Bottineau
2,154 - Lisbon
2,078 - Belcourt
2,065 - Carrington

[CAS4127]

ND cities over 10,000 people:

105,549 - Fargo
61,272 - Bismarck
52,838 - Grand Forks
40,888 - Minot
25,830 - West Fargo
19,000 - Fargodome18,331 - Mandan
17,787 - Dickinson
15,427 - Jamestown
14,716 - Williston
2600 - Horace
1969 - Alerus Center

There is a little hidden meaning there, but you get the picture!:D

[NDSUstudent]

2010/2000

Fargo 105,549/90,599
Bismarck 61,272/55,532
Grand Forks 52,838/49,321
Minot 40,888/36,567
West Fargo 25,830/14,940
Mandan 18,331/16,718
Dickinson 17,787/16,010
Jamestown 15,427/15,527
Williston 14,716/12,512

[TheBisonator]

2010/2000

Fargo 105,549/90,599
Bismarck 61,272/55,532
Grand Forks 52,838/49,321
Minot 40,888/36,567
West Fargo 25,830/14,940
Mandan 18,331/16,718
Dickinson 17,787/16,010
Jamestown 15,427/15,527
Williston 14,716/12,512

At least North Dakota's biggest towns are all growing.

[Notorious]

ND cities from 2,000-10,000 people:



7,766 - Wahpeton
7,141 - Devils Lake
6,585 - Valley City
4,284 - Grafton
3,121 - Beulah
2,876 - Rugby
2,430 - Horace
2,411 - Hazen
2,406 - Lincoln
2,329 - Casselton
2,211 - Bottineau
2,154 - Lisbon
2,078 - Belcourt
2,065 - Carrington [One less racoon]

FIFY.......

[TheBisonator]

Fargo is bigger than Green Bay according to these new numbers.

Time to get an NFL team going?? :D

[tjbison]

The fact that two more possible political districts would increase Cass County's delegation in the North Dakota House and Senate from 27 seats to 33. That's nearly a 1/4 of the Legislature, should get some western blood boiling:hide:

[roadwarrior]

The fact that two more possible political districts would increase Cass County's delegation in the North Dakota House and Senate from 27 seats to 33. That's nearly a 1/4 of the Legislature, should get some western blood boiling:hide:

It's not our fault people are moving to Cass County.

[tony]

Two things you need to know about the Legislature:

1. The Angry Old Coot Faction Is Angry.
2. Whatever angers them is NDSU's fault.

[ndsubison1]

minot's growing because of the oil boom

[moparman]

Minot's growth is combined with the oil boom and the air force base expansion. Over the past two years we have added 2500 people to the base. 13000 people is the estimated population of the base.

[roadwarrior]

Minot's growth is combined with the oil boom and the air force base expansion. Over the past two years we have added 2500 people to the base. 13000 people is the estimated population of the base.

The official count for Minot AFB is 5521.

[lakesbison]

well, 1 of you is wrong.

[moparman]

http://www.minot.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3787

Here's where I got it. It includes families, DOD civilians and retirees.

[lakesbison]

round 2 to Moparman!

[80ALUM]

http://www.minot.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3787

Here's where I got it. It includes families, DOD civilians and retirees.

I am guessing the military total includes people who live off base in the city of Minot plus those living on base .

[moparman]

I would agree with that. Not only Minot but the surrounding small towns.

[phpguru]

Minot may be finally growing, but it's not a good kind of growth... they've had how murders now in the last few months? I count 5... for a city of 40k? That's starting to approach Detroit in terms of murders per capita... I've got relatives there who can't wait to get out of that city.

[MNLonghorn10]

It's not our fault people are moving to Cass County.
is there any way we can make them complete an clover leaf on ramp course before letting outsiders move to the area?

[lakesbison]

OR MERGE at 8 am and 5pm on I 94 and I 29. I mean, cripes, MERGE does not equal STOP.

[EndZoneQB]

OR MERGE at 8 am and 5pm on I 94 and I 29. I mean, cripes, MERGE does not equal STOP.

Ugh, no shit right? Traffic here is not because the amount of vehicles but the amount of IDIOTS on the road. When I drive in from 34th in Moorhead, most of the time we are rolling at 60-65 no issues until we hit Fargo. I don't get how it backs up at the 94 west to 29 north interchange. It's a straight piece of road with 55mph speed limit..everyone slows down to 40mph. And can we take down the 40mph speed "suggestion" sign on the 29south/94east interchange?? Just because it says 40mph does not mean that is the speed limit. There is no reason in dry conditions you can't take that bridge at 55mph. We also need to tell people to quit driving in the right lane. And HP to stop patrolling the freeways during rush hour...when everyone is scared to drive exactly 55mph it REALLY messes up traffic flow...there needs to be some variations in speed.

[coldspot]

Ugh, no shit right? Traffic here is not because the amount of vehicles but the amount of IDIOTS on the road. When I drive in from 34th in Moorhead, most of the time we are rolling at 60-65 no issues until we hit Fargo. I don't get how it backs up at the 94 west to 29 north interchange. It's a straight piece of road with 55mph speed limit..everyone slows down to 40mph. And can we take down the 40mph speed "suggestion" sign on the 29south/94east interchange?? Just because it says 40mph does not mean that is the speed limit. There is no reason in dry conditions you can't take that bridge at 55mph. We also need to tell people to quit driving in the right lane. And HP to stop patrolling the freeways during rush hour...when everyone is scared to drive exactly 55mph it REALLY messes up traffic flow...there needs to be some variations in speed.

HP needs to get on this, but expand it to the middle lane too.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/11/hallelujah-oklahoma-busting-slow-drivers-in-left-lane/

[bri-dog]

HP needs to get on this, but expand it to the middle lane too.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/11/hallelujah-oklahoma-busting-slow-drivers-in-left-lane/

Colorado has this law; you don't even have to be going under the speed limit. To be in the left lane you have to be "actively passing" someone. I got to see this first hand once -- I was driving in the mountains pulling my snowmobile trailer. I was in the left lane going a couple miles an hour over the limit, and a lady pulled out in front of me only to notice she'd have to pass a HP officer who was in the right lane going exactly the speed limit. She slowed down to his speed and drove next to him for a couple miles with me right behind her.:banghead: The cop finally slowed down, got between us, and pulled her over.:nod: :D

[CAS4127]

Florida does not allow semi's in the left passing lane. I like that, but, of course, Florida's interstates are 3-lanes almost everywhere in the state.

[herdmember]

Better link:

http://www.ndlc.org/

Click the Click here option to get this:

http://www.ndlc.org/vertical/Sites/%7BFF200277-CA48-4FAD-B305-ED3312987082%7D/uploads/%7BCFD44FBC-4F1F-4E4F-B169-53048DC12D70%7D.PDF

[TheBisonator]

Wahpeton lost 820 people in the 2000's. HOW THE HELL does a town that small lose so many people?? Wahpeton lost the most number of people of any ND town in the last decade. They lost over 3 times as many people as Valley City (241) did over that same time span.

Did Imation closing really have that much of an impact on that place?? I remember when Wahpeton had over 9,000 people, and Breckenridge had about 4,000. Wahp/Breck used to mean a lot more to F-M's economy. My father used to work in Wahpeton and would commute to and from Fargo. It's a lot different now, I guess.

[Hammersmith]

Ugh, no shit right? Traffic here is not because the amount of vehicles but the amount of IDIOTS on the road. When I drive in from 34th in Moorhead, most of the time we are rolling at 60-65 no issues until we hit Fargo. I don't get how it backs up at the 94 west to 29 north interchange. It's a straight piece of road with 55mph speed limit..everyone slows down to 40mph. And can we take down the 40mph speed "suggestion" sign on the 29south/94east interchange?? Just because it says 40mph does not mean that is the speed limit. There is no reason in dry conditions you can't take that bridge at 55mph. We also need to tell people to quit driving in the right lane. And HP to stop patrolling the freeways during rush hour...when everyone is scared to drive exactly 55mph it REALLY messes up traffic flow...there needs to be some variations in speed.

Problems with I29/I94 interchange: #1. The top ramp should not start as two lanes, then merge at the top of the ramp. Either start and finish with one lane or two lanes, but don't change midstream. #2. People who don't know what the yellow sign with the curved arrow and dotted line means. People going north29 to east94 always want to merge left right after they join 94. Why? They've got a full lane to themselves since that's where 94 widens to 3 lanes and stays that way until Moorhead.

[Hammersmith]

Wahpeton lost 820 people in the 2000's. HOW THE HELL does a town that small lose so many people?? Wahpeton lost the most number of people of any ND town in the last decade. They lost over 3 times as many people as Valley City (241) did over that same time span.

Did Imation closing really have that much of an impact on that place?? I remember when Wahpeton had over 9,000 people, and Breckenridge had about 4,000. Wahp/Breck used to mean a lot more to F-M's economy. It's a lot different now.

In a word, yes. The top two employers in town were 3M and NDSSS. The current usage of the 3M plant is just the tiniest fraction of its old self, and the current NDSCS numbers don't tell the real story. While current enrollment is near or at the old levels, it's really a lot like UND's numbers. Online numbers are boosting things, but even more of the numbers are due to retraining. These are non-traditional students taking a few classes to try and recover from getting laid off by Imation(a couple of my friends are in this group). These are people already in the community, not new students from outside. Three of the smaller dorms are totally vacant, and I think the rest are below capacity. And no new housing has been built at NDSCS in well over 15 years. Wahp-Breck is hurting bad.

[Hansel]

Wahpeton lost 820 people in the 2000's. HOW THE HELL does a town that small lose so many people??

I left... now no one else wants to be there ;)

[mebisonII]

In a word, yes. The top two employers in town were 3M and NDSSS. The current usage of the 3M plant is just the tiniest fraction of its old self, and the current NDSCS numbers don't tell the real story. While current enrollment is near or at the old levels, it's really a lot like UND's numbers. Online numbers are boosting things, but even more of the numbers are due to retraining. These are non-traditional students taking a few classes to try and recover from getting laid off by Imation(a couple of my friends are in this group). These are people already in the community, not new students from outside. Three of the smaller dorms are totally vacant, and I think the rest are below capacity. And no new housing has been built at NDSCS in well over 15 years. Wahp-Breck is hurting bad.

Yep, it would greatly help to fill those big Imation buildings back up with something again, but I don't think much of anyone is expanding their manufacturing in the last couple years and it doesn't look good for the next couple years. I think it would have to be something regional/home-grown.

[1998braves64]

Bobcat moved into some of the Imation Buildings I believe, I know for sure they have a facility in Wahpeton now. But yeah NDSCS is pretty sad state as far as ON campus kids, it is WAY down from where it was 10-12 years ago when I was there. I had 70+ kids in my "class" for my degree, they're lucky if they have 30 now for the same degree. I would say Imation leaving hurt that town quite a bit.

[bisonmike2]

So now that the legislature has proof that Fargo is growing, what can they do to stop it?

[tony]

So now that the legislature has proof that Fargo is growing, what can they do to stop it?

They can block permanent flood control and hope there's a disaster.

[JMB]

In a word, yes. The top two employers in town were 3M and NDSSS. The current usage of the 3M plant is just the tiniest fraction of its old self, and the current NDSCS numbers don't tell the real story. While current enrollment is near or at the old levels, it's really a lot like UND's numbers. Online numbers are boosting things, but even more of the numbers are due to retraining. These are non-traditional students taking a few classes to try and recover from getting laid off by Imation(a couple of my friends are in this group). These are people already in the community, not new students from outside. Three of the smaller dorms are totally vacant, and I think the rest are below capacity. And no new housing has been built at NDSCS in well over 15 years. Wahp-Breck is hurting bad.

What happened to Industrial Plating after their fire? Are they still in business?

[tjbison]

Minot may be finally growing, but it's not a good kind of growth... they've had how murders now in the last few months? I count 5... for a city of 40k? That's starting to approach Detroit in terms of murders per capita... I've got relatives there who can't wait to get out of that city.

Most people under the age of 30 are like this or at least wish they could:hide:

[phpguru]

Most people under the age of 30 are like this or at least wish they could:hide:

Yeah, but the people I'm talking about are over the age of 50...

[Twentysix]

This sucks, SO NDSU FBALL GETS 17,000-18,000 and bball gets 3500-4000??? Out of 208,000?? That sucks, step it up ndsu !

I bet i can find worse examples.

More is better, but what we have could be alot worse.

[Twentysix]

So when does West Fargo become the third-largest city in North Dakota?

2040? If current growth trends continue.

Fargo is too expensive to build up. Urban sprawl is all your gonna see for a very very long time.

Ashworth explained it once, it has to do with lake agassiz and unstable ground for 200+ feet above the bedrock. Tall buildings and inward growth will be a LONG time in the future. Most of us will probably never see it, coming from someone whose 22. A resident billionare is probably are best bet at real buildings >.>. Whats fm's richest resident, doug burgum? Scheels?

Does Ronald Offut live in Fargo? Hes listed at 200-500 million. Maybe he will build lots of 15 story apartment buildings and make tony happy. :P

[tjbison]

Does Ronald Offut live in Fargo? Hes listed at 200-500 million. Maybe he will build lots of 15 story apartment buildings and make tony happy. :P

Yep, his house is in flood central down you should see a large fleet of RDO trucks heading that way with his very own Taxpayer made and City property of sandbags real soon, atleast in 2009 thats what happened:hide:

[bisonranch]

2040? If current growth trends continue.
Ashworth explained it once, it has to do with lake agassiz and unstable ground for 200+ feet above the bedrock. Tall buildings and inward growth will be a LONG time in the future. Most of us will probably never see it, coming from someone whose 22. A resident billionare is probably are best bet at real buildings >.>. Whats fm's richest resident, doug burgum? Scheels?


The Fargodome and high rise buildings in Fargo are basiclly built on stilts. They have concrete pylons under them that go down ~100' to hit bedrock.

http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/fargo_geology/caissons.htm

[99Bison]

The Fargodome and high rise buildings in Fargo are basiclly built on stilts. They have concrete pylons under them that go down ~100' to hit bedrock.

http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/fargo_geology/caissons.htm

Great link... That following story about the railroad too, since it's visible out my back window.

[coldspot]

The Fargodome and high rise buildings in Fargo are basiclly built on stilts. They have concrete pylons under them that go down ~100' to hit bedrock.

http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/fargo_geology/caissons.htm

take that into account, and then imagine what an earthquake would do to the soil here. I'd imagine it would be something like this if it happened mid flood season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOmIpoB1q7o

[moparman]

Most people under the age of 30 are like this or at least wish they could:hide:


I call BS. Why does Minot have one of the strongest young professional groups in the state? Yeah I'm bias because I live here. I'll be the first to admit I'm not happy with what has recently happened with murders. It's sad that 5 of them appear to domestic related.

[coldspot]

I call BS. Why does Minot have one of the strongest young professional groups in the state? Yeah I'm bias because I live here. I'll be the first to admit I'm not happy with what has recently happened with murders. It's sad that 5 of them appear to domestic related.

was it the basers or the riggers?

[tjbison]

I call BS. Why does Minot have one of the strongest young professional groups in the state? Yeah I'm bias because I live here. I'll be the first to admit I'm not happy with what has recently happened with murders. It's sad that 5 of them appear to domestic related.

If you talk to most of the transplant people under 30 in Minot or people who have no ties to the area except for their job, most i have met thru business are looking to leave in a specific time frame.....I deal with people in the oil and Gas, and construction industries so thats what i have to base it on.

[moparman]

was it the basers or the riggers?

4 was one family and the suspect worked in the oil patch but is being held in GF on an unrelated immigration issue.

1 was a child. Not sure what the parents did for employment.

Last one was two halliburton employees that didn't get along.

Yes oil does have drawbacks.

[moparman]

If you talk to most of the transplant people under 30 in Minot or people who have no ties to the area except for their job, most i have met thru business are looking to leave in a specific time frame.....I deal with people in the oil and Gas, and construction industries so thats what i have to base it on.



Oil life is a nomadic life with no ties to community. I don't blame anybody not wanting to move their family up here when they can't sell their house back home and then try and buy a way overinflated home in Minot.

We have a large retired military community in Minot. Well I consider it large. If it was so bad up here to live then why retire here?

[TheBisonator]

Not to be a thread bumper, but I finally got to the info of all the little towns in the immediate area. Here are the populations in Fargo-Moorhead's urban area (all cities and towns that are connected together):

Fargo..................105,549
Moorhead..............38,065
West Fargo............25,830
Dilworth..................4,024
Horace...................2,430
Oakport................. 1,387
Harwood...................718
Reile's Acres..............513
Frontier....................214
Prairie Rose................73
Briarwood...................73
North River.................56

TOTAL = 178,932

(Increase of over 35,000 from 2000 Census)

[Bison Dan]

Minot is an old folks home. It has probably the worst daily paper I've ever seen. Maybe with the oil influx more young people will come. I like their Harley Davidson dealership.

[99Bison]

Not to be a thread bumper, but I finally got to the info of all the little towns in the immediate area. Here are the populations in Fargo-Moorhead's urban area (all cities and towns that are connected together):

Fargo..................105,549
Moorhead..............38,065
West Fargo............25,830
Dilworth..................4,024
Horace...................2,430
Oakport................. 1,387
Harwood...................718
Reile's Acres..............513
Frontier....................214
Prairie Rose................73
Briarwood...................73
North River.................56

TOTAL = 178,932

(Increase of over 35,000 from 2000 Census)

Harwood, connected? That's a big stretch, missing Mn towns then.

[TheBisonator]

Harwood, connected? That's a big stretch, missing Mn towns then.

I'm counting all cities and towns who technically border each other politically, not necessarily development-wise. Otherwise, Harwood, North River, Reile's Acres, and maybe Briarwood would be off the list. Horace has completely connected to WF via the Sheyenne Diversion development, Oakport is basically an extention of North Moorhead (Oakport is supposed to be annexed into Moorhead soon anyway), and Frontier and Prairie Rose are basically tiny neighbourhoods surrounded by Fargo.

Urban area pop. counts are said to be the most reliable in comparing the relative demographic strength of cities in the US. There are of course over 30,000 people who live in the political F-M metro area that are isolated and separated from the actual "city". And it's hard to explain to people what exactly in F-M composes the "city". A lot of people think it really means the makeup of every town that's connected to each other. It seems to be popular, so I'll go along with the crowd.

For people in Sioux Falls for example, it's easy. It's just Sioux Falls. Towns like Tea, Harrisburg or Brandon do not connect to SF politically (bordering)or development-wise (at least not yet politically, I'm sure it will change in due time), so you can't really say SF has "suburbs". F-M has at least several "suburbs" (in classifying them in the best definition of "suburb") ranging in size from WF (25,830) down to North River (56). F-M's metro may be about 2 and a quarter times larger than Grand Forks' metro (209K to 97K), but the urban area of F-M compared to GF is a lot larger in ratio, about 3 times bigger (178,932 to 61,439).

[TheBisonator]

And if the world was a better place:

1) Fargo, West Fargo, Briarwood, North River, Prairie Rose, Frontier and Reile's Acres would be merged into one city

2) Moorhead would gobble up Oakport as soon as possible (might be better for flood responses in that area vis-a-vis City of Moorhead infrastructure)

3) Harwood and Dilworth could be left alone, as they are either developmentally isolated (Harwood), or have too much historical value to be annexed (Dilworth). I could see Harwood someday becoming the major North Fargo suburb.

4) Horace could then be given free reign to become the new Eden Prairie of the F-M area.

So it would look more like this:

Fargo..................132,308
Moorhead..............39,452
Dilworth..................4,024
Horace...................2,430
Harwood...................718

Resulting in a more streamlined cooperative metro governing system, no more battles over annexed land, better conflict resolution regarding the flood diversion, more fair shares of money for school districts, etc. etc. Which is why no one will go for it.

[Bisonguy]

And if the world was a better place:

1) Fargo, West Fargo, Briarwood, North River, Prairie Rose, Frontier and Reile's Acres would be merged into one city

2) Moorhead would gobble up Oakport as soon as possible (might be better for flood responses in that area vis-a-vis City of Moorhead infrastructure)

3) Harwood and Dilworth could be left alone, as they are either developmentally isolated (Harwood), or have too much historical value to be annexed (Dilworth). I could see Harwood someday becoming the major North Fargo suburb.

4) Horace could then be given free reign to become the new Eden Prairie of the F-M area.

So it would look more like this:

Fargo..................132,308
Moorhead..............39,452
Dilworth..................4,024
Horace...................2,430
Harwood...................718

Resulting in a more streamlined cooperative metro governing system, no more battles over annexed land, better conflict resolution regarding the flood diversion, more fair shares of money for school districts, etc. etc. Which is why no one will go for it.


The only historical value of Dilworth was that the girls in high school had low morals and low self-esteem. :rimshot:


Same goes for West Fargo.

[EndZoneQB]

The only historical value of Dilworth was that the girls in high school had low morals and low self-esteem. :rimshot:


Same goes for West Fargo.

Can't disagree with that statement. Lots of truth.

[MNLonghorn10]

at least dilworth had willies and still has hi ho.

[BlueBisonRock]

The only historical value of Dilworth was that the girls in high school had low morals and low self-esteem. :rimshot:


Same goes for West Fargo.


Can't disagree with that statement. Lots of truth.

So, you guys are sayin' you spent some serious trolling time in those Burgs?

[EndZoneQB]

So, you guys are sayin' you spent some serious trolling time in those Burgs?

I spent my time with the rich girls of Fargo South!

[BlueBisonRock]

I spent my time with the rich girls of Fargo South!

My God! You weren't hitting on my niece were you? :facepalm2:

[EndZoneQB]

My God! You weren't hitting on my niece were you? :facepalm2:

Depends, was her name Kelsy, Kelsey, Sarah, Becca, Chelsey, Heather, Brittany, Kristen?