2012 Recruiting

[Bryan]

Mn has offers out to juniors Rallis(commit), Pirsig, Nelson, and WR Andre McDonald, with another 5-7 to come in the next few months, i guess they may wait until summer camps to evaluate a couple kids. Wisconsin has offered Pirsig and Iowa has offered Pirsig and McDonald.

The top end guys are

Jonah Pirsig OL Blue Earth
Andre McDonald WR Hopkins
Phillip Nelson QB Mankato
Joe Mollberg QB Detroit Lakes
Emeche Wells WR Roseville
Jonathan Harden DT Cretin DH
Charles Webb DB Minnetonka
Nick Rallis LB Edina
Karmichael Dunbar DT Prior lake

Then you have the next group which a couple will end up with B10/B12 or MAC offers and the rest will end up at UNI, NDSU, SDSU, etc.

Max Williams, P/LB Waconia
Sam Lee OL Blue Earth
Mitch Leidner QB Lakeville So.
Zach johnson OL Eastview
Chase Roullier OL Burnsville
Issac Hayes OL St. Thomas Ac.
Taylor Montero TE Cretin DH
Kendrick Brewster RB Cretin DH
Antonio Ford RB Coon Rapids
Stephen Erlandson RB Breckenridge(for lakes)
Kasey Robinson WR Breck
Ryan Dahl OL Holy Family
Sam Sura RB South St. Paul
David Simmet OL Hill Murray
Andrew Larson RB Eden Prairie
Matt Arends WR Prior Lake
Nick Carr OL Totino Grace

[lakesbison]

Courtesy of Bryan, Thank you, sticky??

Mn has offers out to juniors Rallis(commit), Pirsig, Nelson, and WR Andre McDonald, with another 5-7 to come in the next few months, i guess they may wait until summer camps to evaluate a couple kids. Wisconsin has offered Pirsig and Iowa has offered Pirsig and McDonald.

The top end guys are

Jonah Pirsig OL Blue Earth
Andre McDonald WR Hopkins
Phillip Nelson QB Mankato
Joe Mollberg QB Detroit Lakes
Emeche Wells WR Roseville
Jonathan Harden DT Cretin DH
Charles Webb DB Minnetonka
Nick Rallis LB Edina
Karmichael Dunbar DT Prior lake

Then you have the next group which a couple will end up with B10/B12 or MAC offers and the rest will end up at UNI, NDSU, SDSU, etc.

Max Williams, P/LB Waconia
Sam Lee OL Blue Earth
Mitch Leidner QB Lakeville So.
Zach johnson OL Eastview
Chase Roullier OL Burnsville
Issac Hayes OL St. Thomas Ac.
Taylor Montero TE Cretin DH
Kendrick Brewster RB Cretin DH
Antonio Ford RB Coon Rapids
Stephen Erlandson RB Breckenridge
Kasey Robinson WR Breck
Ryan Dahl OL Holy Family
Sam Sura RB South St. Paul
David Simmet OL Hill Murray
Andrew Larson RB Eden Prairie
Matt Arends WR Prior Lake
Nick Carr OL Totino Grace

[HandoEX]

It'll be really interesting to see how Mollberg develops next year and where he ends up. I know stats aren't everything, but his are not eye popping. 50% completion percentage, 6 ints, 7 tds passing. He had a boatload of rushing TDs and yards. The kid's a heck of an athlete!

[CivilBison96]

I have not seen Mollberg play so this is just an analysis off the numbers for 2010 on his Rivals page. He seems to be more of a run first QB as he only attempted 105 passes and completed less than 50% (57 completions) and had 6 INT (about 5% of attempted passes were picked). That doesn't seem overly impressive for a team in which we all wanted a better PASSING game this season. I do realize he is young and #'s will likely improve next year however he seems to be more of a running style QB in my book.

Edit: I see Hando posted almost verbatim what I just wrote in the other thread.

[WildBill]

Isaac Hayes will get multiple BCS offers. But next year in Minnesota is very deep for talent.

[OnTheFifty]

I have not seen Mollberg play so this is just an analysis off the numbers for 2010 on his Rivals page. He seems to be more of a run first QB as he only attempted 105 passes and completed less than 50% (57 completions) and had 6 INT (about 5% of attempted passes were picked). That doesn't seem overly impressive for a team in which we all wanted a better PASSING game this season. I do realize he is young and #'s will likely improve next year however he seems to be more of a running style QB in my book.

Edit: I see Hando posted almost verbatim what I just wrote in the other thread.

One analysis:

Mollberg is a tough dual threat quarterback with athleticism and running ability to not only move in the pocket but make throws on the run and act as a rushing threat himself. As a passer, Joe has one of the strongest arms Minnesota has produced in a decade, a quick release and is capable of making all the throws at the next level. He’ll have to polish his footwork and overall quarterbacking skills at the next level, but he’s absolutely a Big Ten caliber prospect. Joe is also a multi-sport athlete for Detroit Lakes and growing as a team leader.

[OnTheFifty]

You want 2012 recruit information...check this out. Information galore....Looks\Sounds like a bumper crop:

http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=1124638

[tjbison]

NDSU 2012 Interest so far that I can find

Joe Mollberg

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesotapreps/football/recruiting/player-Joe-Mollberg-121372


Joe Mollberg is hoping to hear from Jerry Kill and the Gophers


Kalvin Hill

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesotapreps/football/recruiting/player-Kalvin-Hill-119997?colleges=show#college_choices

Marcus Horne

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesotapreps/football/recruiting/player-Marcus-Horne-100194

Antonio Ford

http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesotapreps/football/recruiting/player-Antonio-Ford-116180

[Hopeful-Bison-Baller]

Man, I hope the Lakeville South QB comes to NDSU. When I watched him, I thought he would be a legit D1aa type QB. He has a strong arm.

[westnodak93bison]

imho, strong arm is over rated. We need good leadership, sound decision making, accuracy and adequate size.

[Hopeful-Bison-Baller]

imho, strong arm is over rated. We need good leadership, sound decision making, accuracy and adequate size.


I think he is pretty legit.


these are his stats:

6'4" 220

152/278 2096yds 17tds 11ints

[jarhead]

I think he is pretty legit.


these are his stats:

6'4" 220

152/278 2096yds 17tds 11ints

The players name is Mitch Leidner and he is definitely a player to watch. He has good size and a good arm, but his 40 time from the Nike Combine
last year was just 5.18. The Gopher Hole article states that he is hearing from Iowa and hopes to hear from the Gophers. As it stands, he doesn't
seem to be rated as highly as Mollberg or Nelson so he may fall to an FCS school. It still remains to be seen if we will even recruit a QB in 2012.

[jarhead]

Did it again.

http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1185

[BisMNon]

Brandon Larson LB Bemidji MN

[DjKyRo]

Brandon Larson LB Bemidji MN

Go on........

[SamsRams]

Brandon Larson LB Bemidji MN

Bemidji kids are only good enough to be walk ons.........ask Heifort!

[jarhead]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Josh-Ruka-122489

[jarhead]

First kid on my wish list for 2012. No known offers, plays in a smaller school division (2A) but his credentials speak for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z354qsgFUA4

[ISXBISON]

First kid on my wish list for 2012. No known offers, plays in a smaller school division (2A) but his credentials speak for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z354qsgFUA4

And Thunderstruck plays on the video:nod:

[OnTheFifty]

Word is Joe Mollberg of DL received his first official offer.............


UND

[unbison]

First kid on my wish list for 2012. No known offers, plays in a smaller school division (2A) but his credentials speak for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z354qsgFUA4

I was very impressed with all the down field blocking

[jarhead]

http://www.google.com/search?q=dustin+adams+minot&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivnso&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=IFdLTfu9FoSq8AaqwPzWDg&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CCoQqwQwAQ

http://hsnorthdakota.scout.com/a.z?s=405&p=8&c=1&nid=5301492

http://profiles.berecruited.com/athletes/927848

[tjbison]

I was very impressed with all the down field blocking

and the perfect song in the video

[tjbison]

Word is Joe Mollberg of DL received his first official offer.............


UND

hopefully his parents have lots of frequent flyer miles if he somehow ends up there

[HooliganBison]

Rivals says we have offered Marcus Horne (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Marcus-Horne-100194).

[Kermit]

Rivals says we have offered Marcus Horne (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Marcus-Horne-100194).

Yes--last June!
http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showpost.php?p=372884&postcount=1

[jarhead]

As of now, the scouting services aren't reporting MVC interest in too many kids. The kids I put on here for now will be kids from areas we recruit, who I be-
lieve we have a shot at and might have interest in at some point. Mostly, I'm just doing it to give recruiting junkies like myself some video to look at and I
realize that none of these guys may end up on our radar.

http://hsminnesota.scout.com/a.z?s=396&p=8&c=1&nid=5005189

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmCP3IPGHIc

[jarhead]

Kansas WR, good size, good hands, Speed ?, maybe FBS.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/wisconsin/football/recruiting/player-Elliot-Faerber-121481

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkobOHCWaxc

[jarhead]

player of interest (POI): http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=5080748

http://schumanspeed.com/combine/u1000West/sophRostWest.html


40 time at Schuman was over 5 sec. but he's got pretty heavy interest so I'm assuming that time is an aberration.

[Twentysix]

First kid on my wish list for 2012. No known offers, plays in a smaller school division (2A) but his credentials speak for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z354qsgFUA4

That kid looks great.

[jarhead]

Yeah, he plays at a smaller school level (2A) and only has 4.75 speed but he definitely hits the hole and has pretty good vision. Scouts has
him listed as an LB with some FBS interest - could take a lesser offer to play RB. Too early in the recruiting season to get a good feel, but
still fun looking at these kids.

[jarhead]

No proof of interest yet but could show up on our list later:

http://hsminnesota.scout.com/a.z?s=396&p=8&c=1&nid=5005189

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmCP3IPGHIc

[jarhead]

Bryan did a nice job of opening this thread with a list of some of this years deep class of Minnesota kids. The Gophers recruited O linemen pretty
heavily this year (even have Bjorklund redshirting) and, even if they offer a few walk-ons, there should be some good linemen available. Anyway,
here is a link that was published early last fb season that parallels Bryan's, with a few additional names to consider.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=176&f=1102&t=6320652

Also thought I'd include video of a few of the players we will probably at least show interest in. A lot of the kids don't have video as far as I can tell, especially the big guys. Some of these kids are huge (Simmet, Carr) and also good BB players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdteQ1L5b9o

http://www.youtube.com/video/a_amAZuNrms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KScf2J-qa1w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arrckkSHrBg

http://vimeo.com/16633161

The Montero link also has a video of Ameche Wells, but I'm assuming he will be a FBS recruit so I didn't isolate his.

[jarhead]

I said Bjorklund is redshirting but, in fact he's grey-shirting, which means he is counted as a 2012 scholarship as I understand it.

[OnTheFifty]

I said Bjorklund is redshirting but, in fact he's grey-shirting, which means he is counted as a 2012 scholarship as I understand it.

I think that has changed and the greyshirt is out now...He is a full blown 2011 scholarship player I beleive.

Either way... yes Minnesota has loaded up with a lot of lineman in the past couple years, so I would suspect only a couple signings there?

[BisonNeil]

Isaac Hayes will get multiple BCS offers. But next year in Minnesota is very deep for talent.

According to Scout, Hayes got an offer from Virginia Tech.

[rutlandbison]

Got any ideas for positions of need next year? I would say more LB's for sure.

[OnTheFifty]

2012 Andre McDonald WR Hopkins - commited to Minnesota today.

[SummerTime]

player of interest (POI): http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=5080748

http://schumanspeed.com/combine/u1000West/sophRostWest.html


40 time at Schuman was over 5 sec. but he's got pretty heavy interest so I'm assuming that time is an aberration.


Normally runs about a 4.8 at 6'0" 228 currently 330 BP 430 Squat is drawing interest from BYU, Colorado, Utah and Dartmouth but it does not hurt that his Sister is a member of the Bison SB team.

Highlight Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUJ-670xIY4

[stevdock]

What does the state of ND look like for next year??

[Bison Dan]

What does the state of ND look like for next year??

Good question!! This year 22 players signed offers with MSU and UM and I think 4 did in ND, yet we won the Badlands Bowl.. Go figure!

[CAS4127]

Good question!! This year 22 players signed offers with MSU and UM and I think 4 did in ND, yet we won the Badlands Bowl.. Go figure!

What did you try to say there?

[Kermit]

What does the state of ND look like for next year??

My guess is the state of ND will look something like this:

http://www.barraclou.com/photo/skyline/nd/north_dakota.jpg

[jarhead]

This is my player of interest for the day, partially because his name is Levon. According to Wissports, he is the 249th heaviest
football player in Wisconsin's class of 2012.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Levon-Myers-121674

http://www.gridironstuds.com/detail.php?ret=1&id=1258

[jarhead]

TJBison mentioned these guys a couple of weeks ago. They, along with Ruka & Mollberg, comprise our 2012 Rivals list
so far. Didn't include video of Marcus Horne because I don't think we have a shot of landing him. Ford and Hill seem
to be very similar, smaller power backs with good balance but not break-away speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kghq-itvxCs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhhw5J6UVmE

[lakesbison]

jarhead. rivals still hasnt gotten back to me. Ive left 3 diff emails for 3 diff people and 2 of those were (return to sender) I dont know. I think Ill buy a domain name and we'll work something out.

www.bisonrecruiting.com how about that? $120 upfront, $11.95/month. burgandy/lakes to find financing.

[jarhead]

Hey Lakes, think I'd probably be interested as long as it doesn't get too expensive. You'd have to explain to me how it would work. For
now, I'm just flopping around like a fish out of water - kind of fun but not too productive.

[EndZoneQB]

jarhead. rivals still hasnt gotten back to me. Ive left 3 diff emails for 3 diff people and 2 of those were (return to sender) I dont know. I think Ill buy a domain name and we'll work something out.

www.bisonrecruiting.com how about that? $120 upfront, $11.95/month. burgandy/lakes to find financing.

$120 for the URL? You can register it on godaddy for $12/year.

[Facts]

jarhead. rivals still hasnt gotten back to me. Ive left 3 diff emails for 3 diff people and 2 of those were (return to sender) I dont know. I think Ill buy a domain name and we'll work something out.

www.bisonrecruiting.com how about that? $120 upfront, $11.95/month. burgandy/lakes to find financing.

Lakes,

Will the site be for just football, or basketball too?

I like www.NDSUBisonrecruiting.com better for a name.

Maybe start a "Name the recruiting site" thread to get more ideas??

[Tatanka]

Please, for the love of all things good, PLEASE make sure that you read and understand this

http://www.gobison.com//pdf6/79469.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=2400

[Kermit]

What does the state of ND look like for next year??

I only saw him once (at Fargo South), but I was very impressed with Minot's OT Dustin Adams (class of 2012). He is NOT 6'5", 285 as listed some places--he is listed at 6'4" on the Minot HS basketball roster and he may even be 6'3"--but he is physically dominant at the high school level--more so than Connor McGovern was as a junior in my limited viewing. He does start on the basketball team. Let's just say he plays below the rim. Maybe more of a guard/center type than a tackle.

http://www.ncsasports.org/college-recruiting-videos-highlights/dustin-adams

[jarhead]

Please, for the love of all things good, PLEASE make sure that you read and understand this

http://www.gobison.com//pdf6/79469.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=2400

I'm in complete agreement with Tatanka on this one. I've noticed the same concern on other fan websites with some fans even taking credit for having
"landed" certain recruits for their school. I don't want to do anything that will impede recruiting efforts by the staff or even provide a forum for poten-
tial recruits to promote themselves. I sure don't want to violate any NCAA rules. I'm not computer savvy, so I don't know what a Rivals/Scout page or
URL site would provide for us. All I really want is a place to share views on potential recruits, positions of need, etc. Does it violate rules if we discuss
how thin we are at a certain position thereby potentially encouraging any player we are recruiting? I can live with things as is if it prevents opening a
can of worms.

[lakesbison]

OH NO.

No contacting HS athletes, but their coaches can be contacted.

follow that rule and we are cool.

[ndsubison1]

I only saw him once (at Fargo South), but I was very impressed with Minot's OT Dustin Adams (class of 2012). He is NOT 6'5", 285 as listed some places--he is listed at 6'4" on the Minot HS basketball roster and he may even be 6'3"--but he is physically dominant at the high school level--more so than Connor McGovern was as a junior in my limited viewing. He does start on the basketball team. Let's just say he plays below the rim. Maybe more of a guard/center type than a tackle.

http://www.ncsasports.org/college-recruiting-videos-highlights/dustin-adams

I was just about to mention him. He will definitely get some good looks from us

[ndsubison1]

What does the state of ND look like for next year??

I know this isnt 2012 but I wanted to mention him. Peter Saintal RB- Fargo North will be a guy to look at. He was 1st team All-State as a sophomore. he could develop into a Division I back

[jarhead]

Couple of new additions to our Rivals list:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Joe-Dugan-123154

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Matt-Miller-123151

[HooliganBison]

OH NO.

No contacting HS athletes, but their coaches can be contacted.

follow that rule and we are cool.

Their coaches cannot be contacted:

As a booster, you are specifically prohibited from:
- Making any recruiting contacts with prospects or their relatives. This includes telephone calls, letters, e-mails, and facsimiles, along with any face-to-face contact either on-or off - campus.
- Assisting NDSU coaches by picking up transcripts, films, or any other information pertaining to a prospect’s ability from the prospect’s educational institution.
- Contacting a prospect’s coach, principal, or guidance counselor to evaluate the prospect.
- Providing a benefit to high school, prep school or community college coaches.
- Contacting an enrolled student-athlete at another institution to encourage a transfer to NDSU to participate in our athletic program.
- Making arrangements for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or friends to receive money or financial support of any kind.

As a friend of Bison Athletics you are permitted to:
- Forward information about prospects to the appropriate NDSU coaching staff member.
- View a prospect’s athletics contest on your own initiative, provided you do not contact the prospect or his/her relatives, coach, principal, or counselor in an attempt to evaluate the academic or athletic abilities of the prospect. You are responsible for all incurred costs or fees at a contest.
- Speak to a prospect on the telephone ONLY if the prospect initiates the call. You are not permitted to have a recruiting conversation, but you may exhibit normal civility. Under such circumstances, you must refer questions about the athletics program to the athletics department staff.
- Employ a prospect / student-athlete provided permission has been granted by the athletics department. The student-athlete will ask you to provide employment information to the athletics department prior to their employment.

[tjbison]

Their coaches cannot be contacted:

As a booster, you are specifically prohibited from:
- Making any recruiting contacts with prospects or their relatives. This includes telephone calls, letters, e-mails, and facsimiles, along with any face-to-face contact either on-or off - campus.
- Assisting NDSU coaches by picking up transcripts, films, or any other information pertaining to a prospect’s ability from the prospect’s educational institution.
- Contacting a prospect’s coach, principal, or guidance counselor to evaluate the prospect.
- Providing a benefit to high school, prep school or community college coaches.
- Contacting an enrolled student-athlete at another institution to encourage a transfer to NDSU to participate in our athletic program.
- Making arrangements for a prospect or the prospect’s relatives or friends to receive money or financial support of any kind.

As a friend of Bison Athletics you are permitted to:
- Forward information about prospects to the appropriate NDSU coaching staff member.
- View a prospect’s athletics contest on your own initiative, provided you do not contact the prospect or his/her relatives, coach, principal, or counselor in an attempt to evaluate the academic or athletic abilities of the prospect. You are responsible for all incurred costs or fees at a contest.
- Speak to a prospect on the telephone ONLY if the prospect initiates the call. You are not permitted to have a recruiting conversation, but you may exhibit normal civility. Under such circumstances, you must refer questions about the athletics program to the athletics department staff.
- Employ a prospect / student-athlete provided permission has been granted by the athletics department. The student-athlete will ask you to provide employment information to the athletics department prior to their employment.

First off I can't even begin to fathom why a fan would want to contact a recruit, coach, or recruits family member in the first place. Leave the job of getting kids to NDSU to the people who are paid to do it, all a bunch of rube fans do is make us look like stalkers/idiots. I know people love to talk about recruiting but please just leave it at that:(

[Bison"FANatic"]

First off I can't even begin to fathom why a fan would want to contact a recruit, coach, or recruits family member in the first place. Leave the job of getting kids to NDSU to the people who are paid to do it, all a bunch of rube fans do is make us look like stalkers/idiots. I know people love to talk about recruiting but please just leave it at that:(

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[EndZoneQB]

First off I can't even begin to fathom why a fan would want to contact a recruit, coach, or recruits family member in the first place. Leave the job of getting kids to NDSU to the people who are paid to do it, all a bunch of rube fans do is make us look like stalkers/idiots. I know people love to talk about recruiting but please just leave it at that:(

It's not really to contact the recruit to try to sway his decision, but rather to just keep the site updated, etc. I know it doesn't matter to the NCAA, but it's not like people would be doing it to stalk the player. I don't follow gopherhole, but don't they do their own reporting? How does that fine line work between being a booster and trying to get a story? I know the Longhorns rivals site, orangebloods, does stories as well.

[lakesbison]

LOOKS LIKE I GOT A GREEN LIGHT, HOPING BY SPRING BALL.

Our tech team is tied up working on site improvements,
so we aren’t adding any new team sites right now. When we are in a position
to add a North Dakota State site I will be back
in touch & we can go over NCAA rules & I'll personally help you set it up. I feel in love
with NDSU 2 years ago in the big dance, then you beat Kansas in fball (go mizzou!)


Greg Gibson
Assistant Managing Editor / Team Sites

[Kermit]

LOOKS LIKE I GOT A GREEN LIGHT, HOPING BY SPRING BALL.

Our tech team is tied up working on site improvements,
so we aren’t adding any new team sites right now. When we are in a position
to add a North Dakota State site I will be back
in touch & we can go over NCAA rules & I'll personally help you set it up. I feel in love
with NDSU 2 years ago in the big dance, then you beat Kansas in fball (go mizzou!)


Greg Gibson
Assistant Managing Editor / Team Sites

I thought you were going to start a Rivals.com site for NDSU. Why TeamSites.com? What do you plan to do with it?

[tjbison]

It's not really to contact the recruit to try to sway his decision, but rather to just keep the site updated, etc. I know it doesn't matter to the NCAA, but it's not like people would be doing it to stalk the player. I don't follow gopherhole, but don't they do their own reporting? How does that fine line work between being a booster and trying to get a story? I know the Longhorns rivals site, orangebloods, does stories as well.

Well don't we quote stories from the media and NDSU? I just don't think any fan even for what they feel is just a "story" should be in contact with prospective recruits. Its all just my opinion but you know how a conversation could soon turn into a bad deal without any ill intenet on the fan/boosters part, thats all i'm saying.

[EndZoneQB]

Well don't we quote stories from the media and NDSU? I just don't think any fan even for what they feel is just a "story" should be in contact with prospective recruits. Its all just my opinion but you know how a conversation could soon turn into a bad deal without any ill intenet on the fan/boosters part, thats all i'm saying.

No I know exactly where everyone is going, but what stops say Bison Illustrated from calling a coach asking for quotes versus me if I was a site owner of, oh say, www.ndsurecruiting.com. I mean, we don't ALWAYS have to assume the worst.

[99Bison]

No I know exactly where everyone is going, but what stops say Bison Illustrated from calling a coach asking for quotes versus me if I was a site owner of, oh say, www.ndsurecruiting.com. I mean, we don't ALWAYS have to assume the worst.

FWIW recetly there was a ruling (NCAA I think ) against an online "news" source and I believe the wording was something like blogging and other online only entities do not qualify as media entities and thus are not considered media. The ruling thus ended up as a violation by a "friend" of the athletic program.

[jarhead]

Newest player of interest from the Rivals page. No video or even stats, probably because he backed up Frank Arbanas who was on our interest list last year.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Nick-Jones-123199

http://nationalunderclassmen.ning.com/profile/NickJones?xg_source=activity

http://www.nationalunderclassmen.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23100&ATCLID=204974503

[EndZoneQB]

FWIW recetly there was a ruling (NCAA I think ) against an online "news" source and I believe the wording was something like blogging and other online only entities do not qualify as media entities and thus are not considered media. The ruling thus ended up as a violation by a "friend" of the athletic program.

That's odd...considering a lot of those online only entities carry press credentials. NCAA is obviously a totalitarian dictatorship, it's 2011, online media is not the future...it IS the present.

I get it is a slippery slope tho, so they have to draw the line somewhere. I still think someone that is "objectively" writing an article/blog should be classified as a separate entity from any university athletics program.

[SamsRams]

Well don't we quote stories from the media and NDSU? I just don't think any fan even for what they feel is just a "story" should be in contact with prospective recruits. Its all just my opinion but you know how a conversation could soon turn into a bad deal without any ill intenet on the fan/boosters part, thats all i'm saying.

What if I interview a recruit and never talk to him about NDSU, but wear NDSU gear?

[IzzyFlexion]

What if I paint one butt cheek green and the other one yellow....then ask him to check my prostate?

I am prepared for the following:
1) Being vilified for drifting a recruiting thread down the road of toilet humor.
2) Being banned, or at the very least, put on posting approval probation.
3) Being beaten senseless over the head with a 1993 Bison Baseball media guide.
4) Having this ridiculous post ignored because of my pathetic reputation for being....well, just an idiot.

[jarhead]

Newest addition to the Rivals page:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Dylan-Utter-120498

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKMwU6Tm6Zo

[SDbison]

Might be time to start the 2012 Recruiting Summary thread before this gets too big. Nice to have a comprehensive list with those of Interest that can later be revised to include Offers and Verbals.

[jarhead]

Yeah, Rivals has 9 players on our list already & seem to be adding 1 to 2 a day. Not much on Scouts yet. I've been posting some guys that I think we
may show interest in down the road, but if I see a steady stream of players on the recruiting sites, I'll go easy on the others so this site doesn't get too
cluttered.

[SDbison]

Yeah, Rivals has 9 players on our list already & seem to be adding 1 to 2 a day. Not much on Scouts yet. I've been posting some guys that I think we
may show interest in down the road, but if I see a steady stream of players on the recruiting sites, I'll go easy on the others so this site doesn't get too
cluttered.
Not a problem, just wanted to see if Tony or whoever here wanted to organize the 2012 Recruiting Summary thread. Less work to add a few at a time going forward rather than read through dozens of pages to compile the list later.

[jarhead]

Totally agree

[jarhead]

For those that like cruising the prospects sites here are a few links:

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=222&f=1138&t=6886929

http://myhitnews.com/football/nebraska-h-s-football-prospects/class-of-2012-football-prospects/

http://alabama.scout.com/a.z?s=14&p=8&c=2&yr=2011&csid=null&nid=2113

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=7006160

Here's some video on a OLB prospect (not rated yet and with 4.48 40, he may be FBS).

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=5416738

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBoQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJ8H csEB0Khc&rct=j&q=austin%20smaha&ei=dYJQTYi4NMO5tgfD_cy1AQ&usg=AFQjCNFcfnFjYCXZvEHlWDvUswuX1txqxg

[OnTheFifty]

Offer:

Isaac Hayes, 6'2 260, OL, St. Thomas Academy (4A) - Has received offers from Virginia Tech, Army, Navy, Air Force, Central Michigan, and NDSU.

[BisonNeil]

Offer:

Isaac Hayes, 6'2 260, OL, St. Thomas Academy (4A) - Has received offers from Virginia Tech, Army, Navy, Air Force, Central Michigan, and NDSU.

This proves SD and Jarhead's point that it would be better to have a summary list than have to search this entire thread for information about recruits. I posted this about Hayes on Feb 6 on this thread.

[jarhead]

Appears this will be a good source of recruiting info for Minnesota this year. Not seeing us mentioned too often thus far.

http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=956917

Also a mention that we are showing interest in Dan Hartman, a QB at Concordia Academy in Roseville (video link below)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCkQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwn.com%2FConcordia_Academy_High_S chool&rct=j&q=dan%20hartman%2C%20concordia%20%20fb&ei=9I5YTeKZFY6ztwfx9-XnDA&usg=AFQjCNG5Ym7VGGbtF-Z7_S2FSwUhtZ5c4g

Not much else going on.

[DjKyRo]

Going to be interesting to see how hard we pursue QBs in the 2010 class with 5 on the roster for that year (assuming both Wentz and Stanford redshirt and we retain all QBs from position changes/transfers).

[BisonNolesFan77]

Going to be interesting to see how hard we pursue QBs in the 2010 class with 5 on the roster for that year (assuming both Wentz and Stanford redshirt and we retain all QBs from position changes/transfers).

I could see us not taking a QB next season if all the current QB's stay on roster at QB. But, I'm also a believer of taking a QB every recruiting cycle, with 5 on scholarship, I could see them going after a preferred walk on QB, although it may be a long shot to get a QB to walk on. With the limited scholarships at FCS, it's tough to justify using 6 scholarships on QB's.

[OnTheFifty]

Joe Mollberg picked up his 2nd D1 offer....this time from down south.


SDSU - (on a Junior day visit).

[jarhead]

Newest additions to our Rivals list are Isaac Hayes, who has already been mentioned as offered and Dagan Worton, a QB/S/Ath from
Lincoln High in Nebraska. No video, only the stats below (running only) and a picture of him at 12 years old out running a girl in a
flag football game. Sorry folks, I'm not getting this one. Honorable mention all-city last year and not on the list of top prospects for
next year.

. Dagan Worton, Lincoln High 107 623 69.2 Carries, yards, Avg YPG.

http://myhitnews.com/football/nebraska-h-s-football-prospects/class-of-2012-football-prospects/

[jarhead]

Here is one of those kids from inside our recruiting area who hasn't been heavily recruited as yet but probably will be. He plays 8 man ball
at a small school one of my Marine buddies starred for 50 years ago and his picture impressed me so I thought I'd mention him. He mentions
North Dakota as one of the schools that has shown interest, I'm assuming it's susie. Video isn't all that great but the guy has some serious
weaponry.

http://nebraska.scout.com/2/1046512.html

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CD8QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hudl.com%2Fathlete%2F169828%2 Fkai-wolfe&rct=j&q=kai%20wolfe&ei=jPtaTdCAOIaztwfkgqWODA&usg=AFQjCNHOmuJwH0q9bugHShRjQDDbvtYBHQ

[lakesbison]

Keep hitting refresh jar. Scout is.adding more everyday , I'm impressed with them

[SamsRams]

Sorry if this is repeat and I agree we need a more definitive list, not just specutlation on who we would like to recruit

OFFER

http://nebraska.scout.com/a.z?s=204&p=8&c=1&nid=4979185

Interest
http://nebraska.scout.com/a.z?s=204&p=8&c=1&nid=5080748

[Hambone]

Sorry if this is repeat and I agree we need a more definitive list, not just specutlation on who we would like to recruit

OFFER

http://nebraska.scout.com/a.z?s=204&p=8&c=1&nid=4979185

Interest
http://nebraska.scout.com/a.z?s=204&p=8&c=1&nid=5080748

Alex Carr, who you have listed as an offer, is in the wrong class. He was actually a 2011 player and committed to UNI. Also, I believe it was UND who had an offer out for him.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Alex-Carr-104934

[jarhead]

Alex Carr is a misprint. He is a 2011 prospect who committed to Northern Iowa in December.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/iowapreps/football/recruiting/player-Alex-Carr-104934

[jarhead]

Looking at the recruiting sites, it seems that most of the top 2012 Minnesota prospects have been invited to attend Junior Days at UND &
SDSU. I know most FBS schools host Junior Days and my question is do we and, if not, why don't we?

[Tatanka]

Looking at the recruiting sites, it seems that most of the top 2012 Minnesota prospects have been invited to attend Junior Days at UND &
SDSU. I know most FBS schools host Junior Days and my question is do we and, if not, why don't we?

Because UND and SDSU are junior-level programs. Duh. :D

Seriously though, good question.

[OnTheFifty]

Interest:

Hopkins DB - Tavaughn Blair

Hearing from NDSU and plans on coming to summer camp.


Que Lakes - "MWill was his lifting buddy....mentor..."

[lakesbison]

Not lifting, just lived on the same street

[OnTheFifty]

Interest;

Keving Carroll - OL Edina (Son of former Viking Jay Carroll)

Virginia Tech, Minnesota, UCF, Michigan State, North Dakota and North Dakota State are interested.

No visits taken yet, but they are discussing the possibility of a trip to North Dakota and perhaps back to Virginia Tech for either the spring game.

[Bryan]

his brother, Collin Caroll, who also played at Edina, will be a senior at Virginia Tech next year. Collin was offered a scholarship VTech to be a long snapper, I believe that was his only Div 1 offer of any kind.

[OnTheFifty]

ManKato QB Phillip Nelson verball to Minnesota today....Where does that leave Mollberg?

[lakesbison]

Mollberg should goto NDSU, i just dont think NDSU is going hard after him.

[stevdock]

I know NDSU is interested in Jack Plankers out of Kindred. No offer, but interested. Plankers is an Offensive Tackle who is 6'8" 300 lbs. Needs to work on agility and finishing off blocks but already has the strength of an Off Lineman. Benches around 320 and squats about everything they have in the weight room.

[sambini]

I saw Jack play basketball this year. He is a big young man. His dad played at Concordia and mother played center on the same HS team with Pat Smykowski. He has potential and is coached by Cody Kittelson now at Kindred.

[rutlandbison]

I know NDSU is interested in Jack Plankers out of Kindred. No offer, but interested. Plankers is an Offensive Tackle who is 6'8" 300 lbs. Needs to work on agility and finishing off blocks but already has the strength of an Off Lineman. Benches around 320 and squats about everything they have in the weight room.
Plankers isn't 6'8" and needs a lot of work with his feet. He tore his ACL last year and just isn't quick enough. But he does look impressive for 300lbs. Doesnt look fat like some lineman you see.

[BisonNeil]

Isaac Hayes was offered by Virginia Tech.

[SDbison]

Isaac Hayes was offered by Virginia Tech.
Do you have a link? I found Rivals info for him and it only shows NDSU, Army, Navy and Air Force as offers.

[unbison]

I think it's on scout.com sd he is one of the most highly touted kids going into his senior year and his brother plays or played at va tech

[BisonNeil]

Do you have a link? I found Rivals info for him and it only shows NDSU, Army, Navy and Air Force as offers.

http://virginiatech.scout.com/a.z?s=191&p=8&c=1&nid=5387151

[stevdock]

Plankers isn't 6'8" and needs a lot of work with his feet. He tore his ACL last year and just isn't quick enough. But he does look impressive for 300lbs. Doesnt look fat like some lineman you see.

Yes he does need a lot of work with his feet, you are correct, but that's where it ends. He's 6'7" or 6'8", trust me. As 6'3" 300 lbs, I rarely feel small but do around him. Plus he didn't tear his ACL, he either strained his MCL or tore his minicus (I can't remember anymore). Whether he is quick enough or ever will be is the question that NDSU and other colleges will have to answer.

[rutlandbison]

Yes he does need a lot of work with his feet, you are correct, but that's where it ends. He's 6'7" or 6'8", trust me. As 6'3" 300 lbs, I rarely feel small but do around him. Plus he didn't tear his ACL, he either strained his MCL or tore his minicus (I can't remember anymore). Whether he is quick enough or ever will be is the question that NDSU and other colleges will have to answer.
I don't know about 6'8". He didnt look 6'8" next my high schools 6'6" center. Whatever the injury was, it forced him to miss time on the football field. I hope he is quick enough because he is one large boy.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Plankers isn't 6'8" and needs a lot of work with his feet. He tore his ACL last year and just isn't quick enough. But he does look impressive for 300lbs. Doesnt look fat like some lineman you see.

I spoke to his AD and Principle and asked his accurate size...they said 6'7 and 305. Did not tear his ACL. Needs to get tough, but his size is a gift from above. We have been out to watch him several times. He looks like an athlete. Would be a great project to get from close to home. His head coach is a Bison!

[rutlandbison]

I spoke to his AD and Principle and asked his accurate size...they said 6'7 and 305. Did not tear his ACL. Needs to get tough, but his size is a gift from above. We have been out to watch him several times. He looks like an athlete. Would be a great project to get from close to home. His head coach is a Bison!
He is a very big young man and would be a wonderful addition to our football team. I don't think it matters from 6'8" to 6'7". Either way you look at it, he is big.

[Bryan]

NDSU would be fools not to go full force after Mollberg, with MN out of the picture, he is wide open and who knows when the next time a talent like that will be available and one who is right in there backyard. I don't care how many qb's are on the roster, you don't pass up kids like that.

[tjbison]

NDSU would be fools not to go full force after Mollberg, with MN out of the picture, he is wide open and who knows when the next time a talent like that will be available and one who is right in there backyard. I don't care how many qb's are on the roster, you don't pass up kids like that.

This^^^^^^^ I highly doubt we won't be in contact

[OnTheFifty]

Do you have a link? I found Rivals info for him and it only shows NDSU, Army, Navy and Air Force as offers.

Hayes also got a Minnesota offer today at their Junior day

[lakesbison]

TOP 10 MINNESOTA KIDS

1. Pirsig
2. Webb
3. Rallis (GOPHERS)
4. McDonald (GOPHERS)
5. Hayes
6. Nelson (GOPHERS)
7. Harden
8. Dunbar
9. Mollberg
10. Wells

[SDSUAlum08]

TOP 10 MINNESOTA KIDS

1. Pirsig
2. Webb
3. Rallis (GOPHERS)
4. McDonald (GOPHERS)
5. Hayes
6. Nelson (GOPHERS)
7. Harden
8. Dunbar
9. Mollberg
10. Wells

Not that I care, but I thought I'd point out that you stole this from someone at Gopherhole. I was over there looking at the new recruit they signed. Unless your name is Sonnygarcia?! :D

[Mr. Burgundy]

Not that I care, but I thought I'd point out that you stole this from someone at Gopherhole. I was over there looking at the new recruit they signed. Unless your name is Sonnygarcia?! :D

Now that is funny. If anyone ever says anything that Lakes has said (like Kermit today), Lakes always jumps them. Lakes, give the credit where credit is due. Good times. Is it Friday yet?

[lakesbison]

i dont give douche's at gopherhole credit, i just steal, until they can beat our FOOTBALL TEAM!

[jarhead]

When I went to watch Osseo prospects Joey Sonnenfeld and Jameer Jackson last fall, another player also stood out. He is a 2012
prospect I hoped would avoid FBS radar and fall to us. The guy is battleship sized with good hands. According to the good folks at
FBT, the goofs offered him last weekend, but I thought I'd post his You Tube video for recruitniks since he hasn't committed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JenEErIUXSA&hd=1

[Bryan]

GH: What other schools is he hearing from besides Minnesota?

DL: Iowa has been big on him also and North Dakota State.


http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1341

[Kermit]

When I went to watch Osseo prospects Joey Sonnenfeld and Jameer Jackson last fall, another player also stood out. He is a 2012
prospect I hoped would avoid FBS radar and fall to us. The guy is battleship sized with good hands. According to the good folks at
FBT, the goofs offered him last weekend, but I thought I'd post his You Tube video for recruitniks since he hasn't committed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JenEErIUXSA&hd=1

What did you think of Sonnenfeld and Jackson?

[jarhead]

I went with the assumption that Jackson was the better player, hadn't heard much about Joey. The first game I think Jameer put the
ball on the ground and really seemed a lot slower than I had expected for a potential FBS receiver. After the second game, I really
wasn't that high on him, but I was really high on Joey. Thought he had surprising speed and good tackling skills and was playing both
ways-well conditioned. I thought he was impressive as a receiver running slants and would be great in the Red Zone.
I was also really blown away by Johnson's size, agility and hands. He caught one pass in each game, but one was right there when he turned around and he caught it in traffic. I really was amazed when he wasn't mentioned in the top 50 2012 prospects or best TEs lists.

[OnTheFifty]

Interest:

Will Johnson, a 6-foot-7, 250 pound junior tight end from Osseo

Minnesota (offer), Iowa and NDSU interest.

[jarhead]

The three newest additions to the Rivals site are teammates on the Nebraska 8 man champion (9 consecutive championships) team from
Howells, NB. The kids have good size but, other than that, hard to judge how good they are. I believe all three made assorted all-state
teams as juniors. Here's what I could find:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jordan-Brichacek-122125

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Brian-Bayer-122127

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Trent-Mastny-122123

http://www.maxpreps.com/list/leaderboard_list.aspx?ssid=12962347-09a5-472f-9657-920aeaafd78b&state=NE&sectionid=-Select-&leagueid=-Select-&teamsize=0&teamtype=player&leaguetype=overall&category=Defense,Tackles&position=-All-&classyear=-All-

http://1000yardguy.grandislandblogs.com/2010/11/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIF7OhOWRK4

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/66-TiBuhgkKXIvirRoqKiQ/football-fall-10/stat_comparison-trent-mastny.htm

Mentioned another 8 man Nebraskan, Kai Wolfe, the other day. Massive kid but no evidence we have been in contact with him-probably FBS material.

[jarhead]

Kai Wolfe showed up on our Rivals page today. Another 8 man player from Nebraska. For those who missed his picture on a previous post,
I resubmit:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kai-Wolfe-114930

http://nebraska.scout.com/2/1046512.html

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CD8QFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hudl.com%2Fathlete%2F169828%2 Fkai-wolfe&rct=j&q=kai%20wolfe&ei=jPtaTdCAOIaztwfkgqWODA&usg=AFQjCNHOmuJwH0q9bugHShRjQDDbvtYBHQ

[OnTheFifty]

This guy may have been on campus yesterday:


Antonio Ford - Running back from Coon rapids.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Antonio-Ford-116180

[jarhead]

Latest addition to the Rivals site.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jake-Schany-118295

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rszljDvkNOA&feature=related

[612BisonFan]

This guy may have been on campus yesterday:


Antonio Ford - Running back from Coon rapids.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Antonio-Ford-116180

Video of Antonio Ford from Minnesotapreps:

http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1195632

Says he is recieving a lot of interest from NDSU in the video

[jarhead]

Newest on Rivals, video on Hudl which I don't have.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Marcus-Gooden-124414

[OnTheFifty]

Interest:

Marcus Gooden

Belvidere, Ill. Jr. fullback/outside linebacker prospect (6-foot-1, 200 pounds)

Interest from Northwestern, LSU, UCLA, Purdue, Minnesota, NIU, Illinois, Iowa State, North Dakota State, Duke, Harvard

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1196113

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/football/recruiting/player-Marcus-Gooden-124414

[CaBisonFan]

Isaac Hayes will get multiple BCS offers. But next year in Minnesota is very deep for talent.

What a name. Gotta be a great player.

[jarhead]

Can't believe we're interested in adding another kicker so this goes into the "for what it's worth" category. All-state Nebraska kicker, 59 of 60
on extra points and 51 & 57 yd field goals last year. Attended Cornhusker jr. day, so he's probably FBS.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Drew-Farlee-122092

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/kKGlyhqjEeCi4gAcxJSkrA/us-air-force-small-schools-all-american-team-.htm

[jarhead]

According to MinnesotaPreps, we are interested in Bemidji LB Brandon Larson.

http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=1188593

[OnTheFifty]

Marcus Horne...from a rivals article.

Horne does hold an offer from North Dakota State, but he desires to play BCS Conference football

[jarhead]

Twentieth player on our Rivals page. Sigers type of player, small but strong and fast but even quicker. Trackman, but most of the
track data is for relay teams. Father is his coach and was a former Hawkeye wide out so probably leans that way, but size may be
an issue with FBS teams. Lots of info available on-line as his dad does a good job of promoting his players.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Derek-Hammann-124649

http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Son-of-former-Iowa-Hawkeyes-receiver-turns-heads?urn=highschool-273768

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-zacm9ryE8

[jarhead]

21st player on our Rivals site: Beau Kitson, 6' 2", 280# OG/C from Phoenix.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Beau-Kitson-116930

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y4sFhyrX8o

http://gridironarizona.bravehost.com/schedulesdk.html

http://hsarizona.scout.com/2/981330.html

[OnTheFifty]

Jonathon Harden - DT from Cretin

This beast was on campus last weekend....and UND.

If he gets the grades (ACT). I think there will be some BCS offers. His height is the other negative that may keep him at the FCS level. His tape shows explosiveness.

No NDSU offer yet....and sounds like...Toledo is snooping around again too.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/texastech/football/recruiting/player-Jonathan-Harden-102898?colleges=show

[lakesbison]

im still working on a rivals page, here is what they emailed me yesterday.

DEAR NDSU fan.

We would like to add team sites on the Rivals network but we aren’t in a position to do so at this time. If that time comes I will get back in touch with you.



Greg Gibson

Assistant Managing Editor / Team Sites

[DjKyRo]

21st player on our Rivals site: Beau Kitson, 6' 2", 280# OG/C from Phoenix.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Beau-Kitson-116930

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y4sFhyrX8o

http://gridironarizona.bravehost.com/schedulesdk.html

http://hsarizona.scout.com/2/981330.html


280? Holy smokes, gotta love that Arizona pipeline.

[SDbison]

280? Holy smokes, gotta love that Arizona pipeline.
6'2" and 280 is not that big of a deal for a DI FCS lineman recruit. Lots of them out there.

[westnodak93bison]

I don't know lakes. Sounds like he is blowing you off.

[SDbison]

I updated the list of 2012 recruits at the beginning of this thread. Let me know if I am missing any recruit that has a link showing interest or if there is updated information on any of them.

[jarhead]

New on Scouts.

http://hsillinois.scout.com/a.z?s=220&p=8&c=1&nid=5476143

[ndsubison1]

6'2" and 280 is not that big of a deal for a DI FCS lineman recruit. Lots of them out there.

Guards and esp. centers usually arent that huge

[jarhead]

Rivals #22, Eric Kump:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Eric-Kump-116866

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ6iM5RNqe0

http://www.maxpreps.com/list/leaderboard_list.aspx?gendersport=boys%2Cfootball&page=2&state=az

[jarhead]

Just these two for now:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Eric-Kump-116866

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Dagan-Worton-123695

[OnTheFifty]

From Minnesota preps:

Triton's Adam Bungum (WR/DB)

He has been in contact with Air Force - where his older brother Dylan plays football - Army, Iowa State, Harvard, Brown, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota and South Dakota.


http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1185967

[lakesbison]

might want to EDIT that to North Dakota STATE. moderator?

[OnTheFifty]

might want to EDIT that to North Dakota STATE. moderator?

My bad...that probably is UND

[jarhead]

23rd player on our Rivals site:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Zach-Wolfe-125307

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3UprRlqUM

[jarhead]

24th player on our Rivals page:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jordan-Kos-120364

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guo-RDPIZ-s

[jarhead]

I believe the goofs just offered Maurice Fleming, a Chicago QB. Good chance he is being recruited at WR (4.32 40) but,
if not, increases the likliehood they would offer Mollberg.

[jarhead]

Make that DEcreases the chances they would offer Mollberg.

[jarhead]

25th player on Rivals list. A lot of interest from some very good programs. 15 sacks as a junior.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Chuks-Amaechi-119762

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc_8N4jUjUs


http://www.maxpreps.com/leaders/football/player/defense,sacks/state/arizona.htm

[jarhead]

26th Player of Interest per Rivals:

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/recruiting/player/campresults?id=119676&_slug_=conor-cannon&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fcol lege-football%2frecruiting%2fplayer%2fcampresults%3fid% 3d119676%26_slug_%3dconor-cannon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm60DHHyqIc

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/recruiting/player/campresults?id=119676&_slug_=conor-cannon&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fcol lege-football%2frecruiting%2fplayer%2fcampresults%3fid% 3d119676%26_slug_%3dconor-cannon

[jarhead]

Conor Cannon:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Conor-Cannon-117168

[jarhead]

27th POI per Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Alec-Vesper-121686

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKafXAdgIbY

[Fightin' Bison]

POI - does that mean NDSU has expressed interest in him, or that he has expressed interest in NDSU, or both of those things exist?

[jarhead]

I really don't have a clue. Someone told me last year that the recruiting sites (Rivals, Scouts etc.) get their information from the recruits.
If that's true, I assume we have expressed interest in them but that's an assumption on my part. I did notice that a few of the players we
were reportedly interested in last year never appeared in any other sources and many players who appeared on one site weren't listed on
another.

[BadlandsBison]

Keep 'em coming Jarhead.

Any recruits stand out to you in particular that NDSU has a shot with?

[jarhead]

Too early to tell. Nothing in the local newspapers about football. There are a lot of O linemen in MN, WI, IL and NB so I think we may
have some luck there. We've already shown interest in 4 QBs, 4(?) RBs. I'd like to hear more about the big Minot lineman, what he's
thinking.

[Hambone]

POI - does that mean NDSU has expressed interest in him, or that he has expressed interest in NDSU, or both of those things exist?
As Jarhead said, I think that it's supposed to be updated by the recruit, and most times I believe they will list schools that have contacted them. However, I've heard that sometimes the school will do some updating. For instance, I was looking on Scout the other day, and looking through California. I noticed there were quite a few recruits that had Montana as the only school listed as on that was interested in them. It would be pretty coincidental if 10 (probably more) recruits had contacted Scout separately and said that they were in contact with only Montana. So, I think that schools give info as well, although I'm not sure what good that would do.

[jarhead]

That California thing is correct, Hambone. I noticed on a page somewhere about a month ago that the Grizzlies had also gone into AZ early
& heavily (I think it was 17 kids either offered or contacted but don't know how to verify if they were offered or not). Seems a little early for
that many offers, but AZ is really being hit hard by FCS schools looking for borderline 2-3 star talent.

28th POI per Rivals, another QB:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Taylor-Nezdoba-123115

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXeRQwXoZWU

http://combines.underarmour.com/football/athletes/11818


http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=5476463

[RedRiver]

Too early to tell. Nothing in the local newspapers about football. There are a lot of O linemen in MN, WI, IL and NB so I think we may
have some luck there. We've already shown interest in 4 QBs, 4(?) RBs. I'd like to hear more about the big Minot lineman, what he's
thinking.

The Minot ND lineman has been getting interest from Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa. I know they are still waiting to hear from NDSU and want to hear from them.

[jarhead]

I know the coaching staff does a good job of staying in touch with the ND high school coaches, so i have to believe they know about him.
Always hard to tell from a tape, especially linemen, but it looked to me like he could play. Maybe he's scheduled for our camps this summer?
Hate to see the local kids leave the state.

[westnodak93bison]

The Minot ND lineman has been getting interest from Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa. I know they are still waiting to hear from NDSU and want to hear from them.

One would think Fuchs would be all over it being from Minot.

[jarhead]

Yeah, he doesn't show any interest from susie yet either, so maybe it's just a reporting oversight. Also, Taylor Nezdoba, the AZ QB that
showed up on our Rivals page today also showed up on susie's page today.

[OnTheFifty]

Interest:

Eden Prairie RB Andrew Larson


Minn, Havard, BC, and Iowa State interest as well


"NDSU told me that I am the number one back on their board, but they just want to see me in person. "


http://rivals.yahoo.com/bostoncollege/football/recruiting/player-Andrew-Larson-122287/print

[tony]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kevin-Carroll-123846

Doesn't list NDSU yet but somebody sent me his link and said NDSU was interested.

[bisonpride4ever]

New on Scouts.

http://hsillinois.scout.com/a.z?s=220&p=8&c=1&nid=5476143

That is a big dude!

[jarhead]

Yeah, there are a lot of 6' 7" to 6' 9" OL in MN, WI, AZ and IL this year, even saw a couple 6' 10" OTs last year. Some of them look
really awkward on tape. Kind of makes you wonder if these guys aren't too tall, but Jake Long and Joe Thomas are 6' 6" or 6' 7" so
I guess it depends on the athlete.

[jarhead]

29th POI on Rivals. Not on YouTube, not much info available other than local sports page game recaps. Honorable mention all-state.
Included his stats from the San Antonio Combine (provided the link for anyone who likes that kind of stuff) which includes a pretty slow
40 time, but the 40 times all seemed kind of slow that day so take it for what it's worth. He played behind Daniel Davie last year, so
he didn't handle the ball as much as he probably will this year. Also plays DB.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Ethan-Wright-125751

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/LGS8tC_JL0iTWtv9c_ZeHA/football-fall-10/profile-ethan-wright.htm

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/event-187?start=0&sort=name&dir=dn&prospect_id=104854

[jarhead]

30 & 31st POIs per Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Chris-Nelson-125830


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAUGBFXXWd8

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Jerry-Nash-125826

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1kCklyXj8

[lakesbison]

how can you play football for a team who has this as a logo

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/teams/sds;_ylt=AoD044LElm1uf6HzcBFxsTtHPZB4

the last nelson dude had logos for Wisc, Minn, NDSU,, then the gay bunny. hilarious.

[westnodak93bison]

how can you play football for a team who has this as a logo

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/teams/sds;_ylt=AoD044LElm1uf6HzcBFxsTtHPZB4

the last nelson dude had logos for Wisc, Minn, NDSU,, then the gay bunny. hilarious.

Not quite Bugs Bunny but close.

[jarhead]

32nd on Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-D.J.-Hebert-125841

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDT4eO3GNLk

http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=1188420

[Mr. Burgundy]

32nd on Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-D.J.-Hebert-125841

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDT4eO3GNLk

http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=1188420


Come join your HS teammate!

[OnTheFifty]

Come join your HS teammate!

DJ Hebert

He is going to Minnesota camp in June and is expecting an offer as an "Athlete"....probably DB or WR....and sounds like he might jump on it. He also has a teamate Will Johnson that has a current Minn offer.

If he wants to play QB, NDSU and SDSU are recruiting him for that position.

Also hearing from Michigan and UNI and is visiting North Ill. in the near future.

So we will know more in a couple months on this guy.

[jarhead]

Stole this from the Bunny Board. It concerns Ben Bucholtz, a 6' 8" QB we were reportedly? recruiting from Perham 2 years ago. He played
a year of hoops for St. Cloud St. and is quitting because of bad knees.

http://www.lakesareasports.com/newsarticle.php?yid=1011&nid=45311

[jarhead]

First POI from Kansas this year, holds an offer from Army.

http://hskansas.scout.com/a.z?s=390&p=8&c=1&nid=5375744

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuOf0_Nk5Hk

[jarhead]

Some info from the MinnesotaPreps.com website (http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=956917). The following players report being invited to our spring game:

Tyler Hartman, 6'3", 240# DE from Andover; Jal Dabuol, 6' 5", 290 OL from St. Cloud Tech; Ben Lauer, 6' 6", 270 OL from Wayzata &
Austin Pohlen, 6' 1", 170# QB from Grand Rapids.

It was also reported that Antonio Ford (RB, Coon Rapids) and Jonathan Harden (DT, Cretin Derham Hall) had visited NDSU.

[jarhead]

No evidence that we know about/are interested in this kid, but thought it was a good example of how quickly prospects can appear. He is a
6' 3", 240# (4.7 forty) WR/Safety from a losing program in Chicago. Film shows a kid that can catch and run (no blocking on the film). He
looks like a TE/DE to me.

http://neilski.typepad.com/wwwlanetechfancom_blog/college-prospects/

[jarhead]

33rd POI on Rivals is Lucas Wiborg, OL from Cretin Derham Hall. Excellent student with good speed.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Wiborg-126092

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCEQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dk2s wvsrlJI4&ei=7K-lTeeYFsGWtweig5DBAg&usg=AFQjCNEvYJ6NQj07QACZQzJw22J9hHFpog


From The Arizona Republic (not listed on Rivals) is Austin Farnlof, OL/DL from Anthem Boulder Creek H.S. in AZ.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Austin-Farnlof-123235

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCcQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DkBI BgGmjp7Y&ei=ra2lTaPJK-WQ0QHO_KjlCA&usg=AFQjCNH64DneRWsaXosCt8rOd9cRNcUZxQ

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/preps/phx/articles/2011/04/07/20110407boulder-creek-football-marquis-bundy-austin-farnlof.html

[greenngold4life]

Is Ben Bucholz looking at NDSU for football?

Also someone we forgot was Harvey McMahon NDSU was lookin at him last summer, and will probably pursue from what I heard.

If Bucholz, McMahon, AND Joe Mollberg went to NDSU the lakes area would have much to brag about!!!!!

[lakesbison]

exactly.. we NEED these kids, the LAKES area needs to be sewn up for NDSU>

Detroit lakes, Fergus Falls, Alexandria, Perham thats 50,000 people!!


Coach Polasak has looked at Breckenridge's RB Erlandson - 1600 yards 21 Td's as a junior last year. (and state runner up wrestler, kid is strong as HELL)

[jarhead]

Appears the bunnies are Bucholtz's preference:

http://www.sctimes.com/article/20110407/SPORTS04/104070031/SCSU-basketball-Bucholz-leaving-play-football

[jarhead]

Does anyone have any info on Jess Hein? He's listed as a 6' 2", 275# OL from Perham who was an honorable mention all-state and #2
ranked Hwt wrestler.

[lakesbison]

I know he has interest in ndsu. however I'm not sure if he is D1 material

[rutlandbison]

I know he has interest in ndsu. however I'm not sure if he is D1 material
WhAT!!!.., He is FrOM PerhaM.,, The CoacHes sHoUld be, all,.. over him!!,,

[IzzyFlexion]

exactly.. we NEED these kids, the LAKES area needs to be sewn up for NDSU>

Detroit lakes, Fergus Falls, Alexandria, Perham thats 50,000 people!!

Coach Polasak has looked at Breckenridge's RB Erlandson - 1600 yards 21 Td's as a junior last year. (and state runner up wrestler, kid is strong as HELL)

Do we have enough uniforms?:rimshot:

[lakesbison]

haha. i meant the population, if we got a couple kids in, even as walk on's, we can take over this area exposure wise.

[Bryan]

Here's one for Lakes, about a total unknown theif river falls walk on at MN who Kill is giving high praise too.
http://blogs.twincities.com/gophers/2011/04/kill-says-haviland-is-having-a.html

[jarhead]

34th POI per Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-DeSean-Warren-110588

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTPE_ecVHDs

[jarhead]

http://www.ndscs.nodak.edu/athletics/football/recruit/ted-meline/default.asp?ID=2100

Don't know if we're on this kid or not. He transferred from U of Tennessee to NDSCS after his redshirt year (3 for 3 eligible). He
was very highly recruited (Rivals 4*) as a receiver out of high school but is listed as a CB (6' 3", 190, 4.4 forty). Long strider so
it takes him a few steps to get up to speed but, once he has the ball, he can fly. No offers as yet, but interest from some BCS schools.

[tolnabison]

http://www.ndscs.nodak.edu/athletics/football/recruit/ted-meline/default.asp?ID=2100

Don't know if we're on this kid or not. He transferred from U of Tennessee to NDSCS after his redshirt year (3 for 3 eligible). He
was very highly recruited (Rivals 4*) as a receiver out of high school but is listed as a CB (6' 3", 190, 4.4 forty). Long strider so
it takes him a few steps to get up to speed but, once he has the ball, he can fly. No offers as yet, but interest from some BCS schools.

I am also like to say I am a Miami Hurricane fan, not that they have done great recently, but I stick with them. I remember they were recruiting him hard, until a bunch of grade issues and him transferring to three different high schools became an issue with the NCAA. Since Miami is a private school, they pulled their offer. He ended up signing at Tennessee, it is very interesting to see he showed up at NDSCS. If there is any possible way we can get him to come to NDSU, this would arguably one of the top recruits we have ever had.

[tjbison]

I am also like to say I am a Miami Hurricane fan, not that they have done great recently, but I stick with them. I remember they were recruiting him hard, until a bunch of grade issues and him transferring to three different high schools became an issue with the NCAA. Since Miami is a private school, they pulled their offer. He ended up signing at Tennessee, it is very interesting to see he showed up at NDSCS. If there is any possible way we can get him to come to NDSU, this would arguably one of the top recruits we have ever had.

doubtful he will not go BCS

[jarhead]

Hope springs eternal. Science has him listed as a CB and we all know we are the ultimate destination for Science CB's (LOL)>

[jarhead]

New POI on Scouts (not on our Rivals page though). Holds offers from Kansas and K State per Rivals.

http://hskansas.scout.com/a.z?s=390&p=8&c=1&nid=5401915

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=1&ved=0CDUQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKeM u4YxaToM&ei=jTKuTbWODqGG0QHL4tjICw&usg=AFQjCNE5TCc6hFxQTO9BgISPVG18YDfU4A

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=2&ved=0CDwQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DsYn 8fU90ka0&ei=jTKuTbWODqGG0QHL4tjICw&usg=AFQjCNFdoOasNZsOZQn-FSKWqGo-JzFT9Q

[jarhead]

35th POI on Rivals. Good program, but the individual stats (less than 1,000 yds passing, just over 50% passing and almost as many ) ints as tds) really aren't impressive. No 40 time available, but maybe we're looking at him as an athlete.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Ryan-Saeger-126373

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB4QtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCSc KpjQaM3M&ei=TRqvTcKcJomatwefg9HfAw&usg=AFQjCNEUjITBLKdFIaUjxFwxm3o-Pa1tEA

[greenngold4life]

Jesse Hein isn't being recruited for football, I believe he is being recruited for wrestling.

[jarhead]

Thanks. Nice keeping area kids at home if possible.

[greenngold4life]

O one more thing Jesse Hein is only 6' maybe even 5'11.

[greenngold4life]

News I just heard about our lake boys. Bucholz leaning towards SDSS, while Mollberg gets interest with NorthWestern? Also McMahon interest from Winona St. and Iowa?

[greenngold4life]

Bucholz leaning towards SDSU*

[jarhead]

GopherHole interview with Eden Prairie RB Andrew Larson. Hope he gets up here for the spring game, maybe that will lean him in our
direction.

http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1385

[bisonfan08]

GopherHole interview with Eden Prairie RB Andrew Larson. Hope he gets up here for the spring game, maybe that will lean him in our
direction.

http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1385

Harvard, Penn, Princeton..... Sounds like unless he chooses to stay close to home in Minnesota he's goin to a school where he can get a prestigeous education. Seems like a kid who's got his priorities straight, would love to have him, best of luck to him regardless

[HerdBot]

Harvard, Penn, Princeton..... Sounds like unless he chooses to stay close to home in Minnesota he's goin to a school where he can get a prestigeous education. Seems like a kid who's got his priorities straight, would love to have him, best of luck to him regardless

The kid can play but the 4.6 forty isn't going to get him an Big Ten Offer. One side of me wants to see him get his speed up but of course that means he would be a Gopher. In a perfect world he he doesn't get an offer and the NDSU trainers get his 40 time up and we get him!

[Mr. Burgundy]

The kid can play but the 4.6 forty isn't going to get him an Big Ten Offer. One side of me wants to see him get his speed up but of course that means he would be a Gopher. In a perfect world he he doesn't get an offer and the NDSU trainers get his 40 time up and we get him!


There is nobody....NOBODY that is more stuck on 40 times or listed weights than you.

[HerdBot]

There is nobody....NOBODY that is more stuck on 40 times or listed weights than you.

...and every college football team in the nation for that matter. Speed kills and is important at the skilled position spots. It is what it is. Yeah I know Jerry Rice was slow but he's the exception and not the rule.

[EndZoneQB]

...and every college football team in the nation for that matter. Speed kills and is important at the skilled position spots. It is what it is. Yeah I know Jerry Rice was slow but he's the exception and not the rule.

Just because he runs a 4.6 doesn't mean he won't get a Big Ten offer. Ever hear of Mike Hart from Michigan? Ran a 4.78 at the combine....and I'm sure there are tons more. Not every kid has to be a burner to be good. 4.6 is MORE than adequate...for RB's it is more about their 10 yard split and overall burst. 40 times ARE overrated as they are done in track style settings...when is the last time you saw someone get setup in a track stance on a football field?

[HerdBot]

Just because he runs a 4.6 doesn't mean he won't get a Big Ten offer. Ever hear of Mike Hart from Michigan? Ran a 4.78 at the combine....and I'm sure there are tons more. Not every kid has to be a burner to be good. 4.6 is MORE than adequate...for RB's it is more about their 10 yard split and overall burst. 40 times ARE overrated as they are done in track style settings...when is the last time you saw someone get setup in a track stance on a football field?

Short burst is huge but let's not kid ourselves, 40 times are huge. Like the old saying goes, he's faster than the other guy whether its on turf, grass, or on a track. He will get an offer if they see the potential to increase his speed. That's coming straight from the kids mouth. Not mine.

I like the approach to take a kid lime DJ or Roehl who clearly have a quick burst, develop the speed, and get 2-3 good years. Roehl did not run a 4.4 when he first got here. He developed that speed. If he would have ran a 4.6 he would have been caught from behind against the Gophers. Heck maybe that would have changed history!:)

[ndsubison1]

...and every college football team in the nation for that matter. Speed kills and is important at the skilled position spots. It is what it is. Yeah I know Jerry Rice was slow but he's the exception and not the rule.

:rolleyes:

[EndZoneQB]

Short burst is huge but let's not kid ourselves, 40 times are huge. Like the old saying goes, he's faster than the other guy whether its on turf, grass, or on a track. He will get an offer if they see the potential to increase his speed. That's coming straight from the kids mouth. Not mine.

I like the approach to take a kid lime DJ or Roehl who clearly have a quick burst, develop the speed, and get 2-3 good years. Roehl did not run a 4.4 when he first got here. He developed that speed. If he would have ran a 4.6 he would have been caught from behind against the Gophers. Heck maybe that would have changed history!:)

1. No, running a faster 40 time off the field does not mean anyone will be faster on the field. People play slower than they run, it happens ALL the time.

2. Roehl DID get caught from behind. Watch the highlights again. He didn't run much faster than 4.6 btw.

3. What did Mark Ingram run this year? What was his 10 yard split?(I'll give you a hint, it was the fastest at the combine for his position).

http://www.mlive.com/sports/flint/index.ssf/2011/03/flints_mark_ingram_will_re-run.html


Ingram posted the best time (1.55 seconds) of all running backs in the 10-yard split drill. The 10-yard split indicates how fast a player can reach his finest speed with minimal space.

This drill is one of the most critical tests for teams scouting his position.



"His 10 (-yard split drill) was amazing. That's getting to the hole before it closes, and they had a few guys who ran 4.3 who were much further behind Mark with their 10 (-yard) times," Arceneaux added. "If they don't bust an outside run, they're not going to get through the hole before it closes."




Hmmm..............


40 times tell you one thing: How fast a kid can run 40 yards in a track suit with track shoes on a perfect surface with plenty of time to stage. Speed is important, but speed on tape is much more valuable than speed on the track.

[IzzyFlexion]

There is nobody....NOBODY that is more stuck on 40 times or listed weights than you.

Except for maybe those pesky EWU fans.:nod:

[HerdBot]

1. No, running a faster 40 time off the field does not mean anyone will be faster on the field. People play slower than they run, it happens ALL the time.

2. Roehl DID get caught from behind. Watch the highlights again. He didn't run much faster than 4.6 btw.

3. What did Mark Ingram run this year? What was his 10 yard split?(I'll give you a hint, it was the fastest at the combine for his position).q

http://www.mlive.com/sports/flint/index.ssf/2011/03/flints_mark_ingram_will_re-run.html








Hmmm..............


40 times tell you one thing: How fast a kid can run 40 yards in a track suit with track shoes on a perfect surface with plenty of time to stage. Speed is important, but speed on tape is much more valuable than speed on the track.

Roehls 10 yard shuttle time was very average. His 40 time was much more impressive. You basically proved my point. Roehls strength was strength. That's what got him through the first line and then his speed took over.

Its a fact. Roehl ran a high 4.4 in the combine. He outran the entire Gophers secondary. Its the long runs that got him on an NFL team. Those runs do not exist without speed.

The bottom line is the guy chasing him runs slower in pads too. He probably runs a faster 4.4. I tell you what. Take Moss, Deion, and Bo Jackson in there prime and they will outrun anyone on any surface whether they are naked or wearing army boots.

And yes id Roehl had a better 10 yard shuttle he would have been a day 1 pick.

[mgbison]

No way roehl ran a 4.4 forty. Do you reaize how fast a 4.4 is? Yes mr barber ran roehl down Before the half. If you can show me his time on something official I'll have to believe it.

[HerdBot]

No way roehl ran a 4.4 forty. Do you reaize how fast a 4.4 is? Yes mr barber ran roehl down Before the half. If you can show me his time on something official I'll have to believe it.

Here try this link. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=80553&draftyear=2009&genpos=RB

Fastest time 4.49
slowest time 4.63

At NDSU pro day ran a 4.53

Obviously he was consistently closer to a 4.5 but a 4.49 is still 4.4 speed. That's insane for a guy with that much strength. He was #1 in the bench press. Actually he was stronger than most linebackers.

[EndZoneQB]

Roehls 10 yard shuttle time was very average. His 40 time was much more impressive. You basically proved my point. Roehls strength was strength. That's what got him through the first line and then his speed took over.

Its a fact. Roehl ran a high 4.4 in the combine. He outran the entire Gophers secondary. Its the long runs that got him on an NFL team. Those runs do not exist without speed.

The bottom line is the guy chasing him runs slower in pads too. He probably runs a faster 4.4. I tell you what. Take Moss, Deion, and Bo Jackson in there prime and they will outrun anyone on any surface whether they are naked or wearing army boots.

And yes id Roehl had a better 10 yard shuttle he would have been a day 1 pick.

Took you a couple of days to think of this...and this is all you have to come back at me with? I feel like I'm arguing with a 16 year old girl. You bring up some of the fastest players in the history of the NFL in comparison? We're not discussing people that run 4.1x-4.2x.

Either way, this is the dumbest argument ever. He ran a 4.49, he doesn't run a 4.4. The fact that you are pulling out one time is exactly my freakin' point. What he ran one time has NOTHING to do with how he ran on the field( btw he did get run down by Dominique Barber, might want to re-watch the tape, and he's lucky he didn't get tripped up on the TD run) 40 times are only "important" when they are really fast or really slow.

[ndsubison1]

Roehls 10 yard shuttle time was very average. His 40 time was much more impressive. You basically proved my point. Roehls strength was strength. That's what got him through the first line and then his speed took over.

Its a fact. Roehl ran a high 4.4 in the combine. He outran the entire Gophers secondary. Its the long runs that got him on an NFL team. Those runs do not exist without speed.

The bottom line is the guy chasing him runs slower in pads too. He probably runs a faster 4.4. I tell you what. Take Moss, Deion, and Bo Jackson in there prime and they will outrun anyone on any surface whether they are naked or wearing army boots.

And yes id Roehl had a better 10 yard shuttle he would have been a day 1 pick.

and how often do players run in a straight line on the football field? hardly ever

[NDSUFan_Sav]

and how often do players run in a straight line on the football field? hardly ever

unless you're chris johnson and you break it open and the final 40+ yards are just him running for the endzone.

[HerdBot]

Took you a couple of days to think of this...and this is all you have to come back at me with? I feel like I'm arguing with a 16 year old girl. You bring up some of the fastest players in the history of the NFL in comparison? We're not discussing people that run 4.1x-4.2x.

Either way, this is the dumbest argument ever. He ran a 4.49, he doesn't run a 4.4. The fact that you are pulling out one time is exactly my freakin' point. What he ran one time has NOTHING to do with how he ran on the field( btw he did get run down by Dominique Barber, might want to re-watch the tape, and he's lucky he didn't get tripped up on the TD run) 40 times are only "important" when they are really fast or really slow.

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

A 4.49 is a 4.4. He ran twice and the fastest time was a 4.49. Bohl was quoted as saying he has 4.4 speed too. I supose he just made it up.

And the guy who ran him down ran him down ran a 4.43.

If you think Im comparing Rohl to Deion Sanders than you have a serious deficiency in reading comprehension. If speed makes no difference than they would have 40 year old fat guys play running back... as long as they have heart and vision.

Please stop. Speed is important.

[HerdBot]

and how often do players run in a straight line on the football field? hardly ever

EVERY time you break past the lineman and linebackers and make your way into the secondary. When did Taiwan Jones have an opportunity to use his straight line speed? What 3 times in the 1st half?

Of course it means nothing if you can't get past the line so short speed is huge too. Roehl had quick feet and used strenth to break through the line. But he was tough to catch when he got into an open field.

[BisonNolesFan77]

The kid can play but the 4.6 forty isn't going to get him an Big Ten Offer. One side of me wants to see him get his speed up but of course that means he would be a Gopher. In a perfect world he he doesn't get an offer and the NDSU trainers get his 40 time up and we get him!

So would you take a kid who runs a 4.4 but doesn't play on the field like a 4.4 guy, or a 4.6 guy who plays like a 4.6 guy?

[BisonNolesFan77]

Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

A 4.49 is a 4.4. He ran twice and the fastest time was a 4.49. Bohl was quoted as saying he has 4.4 speed too. I supose he just made it up.

And the guy who ran him down ran him down ran a 4.43.

If you think Im comparing Rohl to Deion Sanders than you have a serious deficiency in reading comprehension. If speed makes no difference than they would have 40 year old fat guys play running back... as long as they have heart and vision.

Please stop. Speed is important.

Yep, cause everything on a football field takes place in a straight line...speed is important, but it's not everything like you believe it is.

[HerdBot]

Yep, cause everything on a football field takes place in a straight line...speed is important, but it's not everything like you believe it is.

That was a key point of mine. But others dismiss 4.4 speed like it means nothing. All the top NFL running backs run a 4.4 and if they don't they have either joystick like cutting or insane power. A guy who runs a 4.6 isn't going to a Big Ten school unless he has joystick like cuts or the potential to get his 40 up to 4.4 or low 4.5. Roehl got signed because he was the strongest back (based on bench), had quick feet, and ran a 4.4. Take away 4.49 speed and he's instantly a fullback, not a running back.

My hope is this kid were talking about can be like Roehl or DJ. They came into the program with very average 40 times but they increased their breakaway speed dramatically. That's how we end up with stud running backs. Hope this kid can be one.

[HerdBot]

So would you take a kid who runs a 4.4 but doesn't play on the field like a 4.4 guy, or a 4.6 guy who plays like a 4.6 guy?

I wouldn't take the 4.6 guy unless he had the ability to get it up to a high 4.4 or low 4.5, unless I plan to use him like Derrick Lang who will never be a feature back.

A guy who runs a 4.4 but isn't a running back is worthless.

I would take a guy like Taiwan Jones who runs a 4.27 or 4.3, redshirt and develop him. Way too much speed. When your that fast you can get by on athletic ability alone. Its not like that with a guy who can run a 4.45.

[BisonNolesFan77]

That was a key point of mine. But others dismiss 4.4 speed like it means nothing. All the top NFL running backs run a 4.4 and if they don't they have either joystick like cutting or insane power. A guy who runs a 4.6 isn't going to a Big Ten school unless he has joystick like cuts or the potential to get his 40 up to 4.4 or low 4.5. Roehl got signed because he was the strongest back (based on bench), had quick feet, and ran a 4.4. Take away 4.49 speed and he's instantly a fullback, not a running back.

My hope is this kid were talking about can be like Roehl or DJ. They came into the program with very average 40 times but they increased their breakaway speed dramatically. That's how we end up with stud running backs. Hope this kid can be one.

Look at the kid from EP's vertical (Which is also listed in that article), just under 36", that right there says he is an explosive athlete. It stupid to over analyze 40's times like you are for a 17 year old kid. Look at verticals, shuttles, etc., those show how really explosive a kid is an athlete, how fluid they are in the hips, and so on. He's a 17 year old kid, running a 40, and you are comparing him to NFL players who have speed coaches who train them just for the 40. Get over the 40 times...

And by the way, one of the best RB's ever to play in NFL didn't run a 4.4...worked out just fine and dandy for him, and he did it on vision, balance, and running smart. Don't think any of those show up in a 40 time...

[BisonNolesFan77]

I wouldn't take the 4.6 guy unless he had the ability to get it up to a high 4.4 or low 4.5, unless I plan to use him like Derrick Lang who will never be a feature back.

A guy who runs a 4.4 but isn't a running back is worthless.

I would take a guy like Taiwan Jones who runs a 4.27 or 4.3, redshirt and develop him. Way too much speed. When your that fast you can get by on athletic ability alone. Its not like that with a guy who can run a 4.45.

Then you're an idiot...guess Mark Ingram, Emmitt Smith, Beanie Wells, Knowshon Moreno, even Paschall are all guys that wouldn't be on your "All 40 Yard Dash Team"

And no, you can't get by with just speed alone...speed does not equal athletic ability, speed is straight line out in the open speed. You can have all the speed in the world, doesn't mean you play fast on the field, doesn't mean you have the vision to follow your blocks, doesn't mean you can do anything other than take a hand off and run smack into your center's and guard's ass faster than anyone else can. You take your 4.3 burner who gets by on his speed alone, I will take my 4.45 guy who has all the other skills a RB needs, but might be a step or two slower.

[EndZoneQB]

...Roehl was going to be a FB in the NFL...

You are so stuck on the 4.4 number it's ridiculous.

[HerdBot]

Then you're an idiot...guess Mark Ingram, Emmitt Smith, Beanie Wells, Knowshon Moreno, even Paschall are all guys that wouldn't be on your "All 40 Yard Dash Team"

And no, you can't get by with just speed alone...speed does not equal athletic ability, speed is straight line out in the open speed. You can have all the speed in the world, doesn't mean you play fast on the field, doesn't mean you have the vision to follow your blocks, doesn't mean you can do anything other than take a hand off and run smack into your center's and guard's ass faster than anyone else can. You take your 4.3 burner who gets by on his speed alone, I will take my 4.45 guy who has all the other skills a RB needs, but might be a step or two slower.

You must have the reading comprehension of a 9 year old or do you just pick out the parts you want to hear? Read the entire post again or go back and read back a few posts. I never once said you can ONLY get by with straight speed alone. Infact I said "A guy who runs a 4.4 but isn't a running back is worthless."

I said I would NOT take a 4.4 guy tha doesn't know how to play football over a 4.6 stud. I said I would take a 4.27 guy (which is damn near olympic speed and would be one of the fastest people in the NFL) over a 4.6 guy.

Solid running backs are a dime a dozen. Especially guys that run a 4.6. But 4.27 guys come along once every 20 years. Hell we've never had a guy that fast in our 100 year history. Would I take a 4.27 guy who had never played football? Probably not. Would I take a 4.27 guy with a little experience? Absolutely Speed kills. Would you take a pitcher that can throw 101 mph over a steady fastball/changeup pitcher like the Twins have? Coaches that know more than you or I do it all the time. That's why Taiwan Jones will be playing in the NFL and will be drafted. It's speed. Did you watch what he did to our defense? We could not stop him. He did that all year no matter who he played.

Mark Ingram is one of the quickest players in football. He's short and has Barry Sanders like low center of gravity. Emmit Smith had power and extreme quickness. Not sure what your example was for Paschall and Beanie Wells? Beanie is not a great back and Paschall never made an NFL roster.

[ndsubison1]

That was a key point of mine. But others dismiss 4.4 speed like it means nothing. All the top NFL running backs run a 4.4 and if they don't they have either joystick like cutting or insane power. A guy who runs a 4.6 isn't going to a Big Ten school unless he has joystick like cuts or the potential to get his 40 up to 4.4 or low 4.5. Roehl got signed because he was the strongest back (based on bench), had quick feet, and ran a 4.4. Take away 4.49 speed and he's instantly a fullback, not a running back.

My hope is this kid were talking about can be like Roehl or DJ. They came into the program with very average 40 times but they increased their breakaway speed dramatically. That's how we end up with stud running backs. Hope this kid can be one.

40 times dont really matter on the field. all that matters is football speed

[BisonNolesFan77]

You must have the reading comprehension of a 9 year old or do you just pick out the parts you want to hear? Read the entire post again or go back and read back a few posts. I never once said you can ONLY get by with straight speed alone. Infact I said "A guy who runs a 4.4 but isn't a running back is worthless."

I said I would NOT take a 4.4 guy tha doesn't know how to play football over a 4.6 stud. I said I would take a 4.27 guy (which is damn near olympic speed and would be one of the fastest people in the NFL) over a 4.6 guy.

Solid running backs are a dime a dozen. Especially guys that run a 4.6. But 4.27 guys come along once every 20 years. Hell we've never had a guy that fast in our 100 year history. Would I take a 4.27 guy who had never played football? Probably not. Would I take a 4.27 guy with a little experience? Absolutely Speed kills. Would you take a pitcher that can throw 101 mph over a steady fastball/changeup pitcher like the Twins have? Coaches that know more than you or I do it all the time. That's why Taiwan Jones will be playing in the NFL and will be drafted. It's speed. Did you watch what he did to our defense? We could not stop him. He did that all year no matter who he played.

Mark Ingram is one of the quickest players in football. He's short and has Barry Sanders like low center of gravity. Emmit Smith had power and extreme quickness. Not sure what your example was for Paschall and Beanie Wells? Beanie is not a great back and Paschall never made an NFL roster.

First things first, my reading comperhension is just fine (Thanks NDSU!).

So, the first thing I am curious about, do you believe that 4.27 speed is attainable? At this level...I don't give a damn about the NFL since last time I checked, NDSU is not playing in the NFC North. You realize you are bringing up a guy that you will see MAYBE one of every 5 years at the FCS level in Jones? And you expect NDSU to go out and sign class after class with these guys? Not gonna happen, which I think you realize (Or I hope you do).

Yes, speed kills, but your obsession with speed is just that, an obsession. Not everything on a football field is about speed like you say it is, but like I said, I will take my 4.6 RB with great balance, great vision, a burst to hit the hole, and could hit a hole in his sleep over a 4.27 guy who kinda knows how to be a running back. Oh nevermind, that 4.27 speed will help him pick his way through a hole won't it?

My example with Ingram, Smith, Wells, and Paschall was there you have 4 players who were very succesful in their college careers, and guess what, they didn't run 4.27's, or even 4.4's, every one them was above 4.58. I don't give a damn what they did or do in the NFL, because again, NDSU is not playing in the NFC North. You do know you can be a great college RB and not make an NFL roster, big deal that Paschall didn't make an NFL roster, he was a great RB here.

Did you really just compare Mark Ingram to Barry Sanders? That about sums up your entire arguement...Mark Ingram as a RB is nothing like Barry Sanders was a RB was. ZERO! Mark Ingram's game is power and being an explosive RB that has great balance and great vision.

I really don't know why I even bothered to respond. Some people are too hung up on 40 times and don't take other things into account (Other measurables, H.S. competion, H.S. numbers, H.S. film, intagibles, scheme he is being recruited to play in, and so on). You said it yourself though, NDSU has never had a RB with 4.27 speed, but, last time I checked, NDSU as a program has done a pretty damn good job at finding some pretty damn good RB's that are not maybe as fast as you want.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

This is a recruiting thread and not a damn argument about 40 times seriously give it up already....everyone has shared their opinion, now time to move on.

[HerdBot]

First things first, my reading comperhension is just fine (Thanks NDSU!).

So, the first thing I am curious about, do you believe that 4.27 speed is attainable? At this level...I don't give a damn about the NFL since last time I checked, NDSU is not playing in the NFC North. You realize you are bringing up a guy that you will see MAYBE one of every 5 years at the FCS level in Jones? And you expect NDSU to go out and sign class after class with these guys? Not gonna happen, which I think you realize (Or I hope you do).

Yes, speed kills, but your obsession with speed is just that, an obsession. Not everything on a football field is about speed like you say it is, but like I said, I will take my 4.6 RB with great balance, great vision, a burst to hit the hole, and could hit a hole in his sleep over a 4.27 guy who kinda knows how to be a running back. Oh nevermind, that 4.27 speed will help him pick his way through a hole won't it?

My example with Ingram, Smith, Wells, and Paschall was there you have 4 players who were very succesful in their college careers, and guess what, they didn't run 4.27's, or even 4.4's, every one them was above 4.58. I don't give a damn what they did or do in the NFL, because again, NDSU is not playing in the NFC North. You do know you can be a great college RB and not make an NFL roster, big deal that Paschall didn't make an NFL roster, he was a great RB here.

Did you really just compare Mark Ingram to Barry Sanders? That about sums up your entire arguement...Mark Ingram as a RB is nothing like Barry Sanders was a RB was. ZERO! Mark Ingram's game is power and being an explosive RB that has great balance and great vision.

I really don't know why I even bothered to respond. Some people are too hung up on 40 times and don't take other things into account (Other measurables, H.S. competion, H.S. numbers, H.S. film, intagibles, scheme he is being recruited to play in, and so on). You said it yourself though, NDSU has never had a RB with 4.27 speed, but, last time I checked, NDSU as a program has done a pretty damn good job at finding some pretty damn good RB's that are not maybe as fast as you want.

It's pointless continuing the discussion. You still don't comprehend.

Read the part is parenthesis REALLY SLOWLY. I'll break it down.

"I said that speed it's NOT the only thing that matters."

"I said I would take a well rounded 4.6 player over a guy who who is not well rounded that runs a 4.4." I said a guy who runs a 4.4 but can't play is worthless.

STOP
COMPREHEND
Does that warrant an obsession with speed?

CONTINUE...

I said I would take a 4.27 guy over the 4.6 guy.
Why?
Because solid backs are easy to find (DJ, Roehl, Paschall, Steffes) but a 4.27 guy comes around once every 10 or 20 years. They always end up going to the BCS teams

If you can't comprehend just how fast 4.27 is than there is no point even continuing the discussion. According the web, only 19 guys have ever ran faster than a 4.27.

Of those 19 guys, it's a pretty elite group that includes Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Michael Vick, Randy Moss, Chris Johnson, Devin Hester...

To be fair there are a few busts on the list too Michael Bennett didn't have a great career although he's managed a 10 year career. He fumbled, couldn't catch, and was exactly what you describe. On the flip side, he owns the NFL record for most runs over 40 yards in 1 season.

Would we get a guy THAT fast at the FCS? Not likely but somehow EWU ended up with Taiwan Jones.I assume it had something to do with grades or else he didn't play football in high school. But lets not forget some of our best receivers were track stars like Burrell and Marques Johnson. Some of those guys have 4.3 speed which is still ridiculously fast. But if you get a chance it's stupid to not take a shot. You can always redshirt them and bring them along slowly and hope you have a super star.

[tony]

Add at least .2 seconds onto a hand-timed 40, I say. Huge difference between having a scout with a stopwatch say that somebody ran a 4.27 and somebody turning that in with an electronic timer.

That's one reason that people don't get excited about 40 times for HS kids - all it takes for a kid to have 4.4 speed is for his coach to say that he has 4.4 speed.

[HerdBot]

Add at least .2 seconds onto a hand-timed 40, I say. Huge difference between having a scout with a stopwatch say that somebody ran a 4.27 and somebody turning that in with an electronic timer.

That's one reason that people don't get excited about 40 times for HS kids - all it takes for a kid to have 4.4 speed is for his coach to say that he has 4.4 speed.

I agree. If its not electronic its iffy. But Im talking about Taiwan Jones who ran an electronic 4.27. After watching him run its tough to dispute.

[jarhead]

36th POI from Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Bobby-Ramlet-126605

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gopherhole.com%2Fmodules.php% 3Fname%3DNews%26file%3Darticle%26sid%3D1226&ei=Mh24TdqCPYO3twfKlejeBA&usg=AFQjCNGYWd8GoO2_zBXOHexgQZlwBHUmoQ

Sorry gentlemen, no video.

[BisonNolesFan77]

It's pointless continuing the discussion. You still don't comprehend.

Read the part is parenthesis REALLY SLOWLY. I'll break it down.

"I said that speed it's NOT the only thing that matters."

"I said I would take a well rounded 4.6 player over a guy who who is not well rounded that runs a 4.4." I said a guy who runs a 4.4 but can't play is worthless.

STOP
COMPREHEND
Does that warrant an obsession with speed?

CONTINUE...

I said I would take a 4.27 guy over the 4.6 guy.
Why?
Because solid backs are easy to find (DJ, Roehl, Paschall, Steffes) but a 4.27 guy comes around once every 10 or 20 years. They always end up going to the BCS teams

If you can't comprehend just how fast 4.27 is than there is no point even continuing the discussion. According the web, only 19 guys have ever ran faster than a 4.27.

Of those 19 guys, it's a pretty elite group that includes Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Michael Vick, Randy Moss, Chris Johnson, Devin Hester...

To be fair there are a few busts on the list too Michael Bennett didn't have a great career although he's managed a 10 year career. He fumbled, couldn't catch, and was exactly what you describe. On the flip side, he owns the NFL record for most runs over 40 yards in 1 season.

Would we get a guy THAT fast at the FCS? Not likely but somehow EWU ended up with Taiwan Jones.I assume it had something to do with grades or else he didn't play football in high school. But lets not forget some of our best receivers were track stars like Burrell and Marques Johnson. Some of those guys have 4.3 speed which is still ridiculously fast. But if you get a chance it's stupid to not take a shot. You can always redshirt them and bring them along slowly and hope you have a super star.

Again, my reading comprehension is just fine, and I don't need your help breaking anything down, but thanks for your help. No point in even saying anything more.

[lionheart]

Lots of good information here... I like the list of MN players. It appears they have a solid class of players! I came a ccrossed one of their recruiting sites and list of top players. I spent most of my time looking at their offensive lineman.... Pirsig, Lee and Hayes REALLY stick out, but I was also impressed with Doug Welch, who is 6'5 310, but seems to be real athletic for the size.

Here is the site for the top recruits:http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=1188408

As well as Welch's video:http://recruit-match.ncsasports.org/fasttrack/client/RecruitingProfile.do?method=getRecruitingProfile&clientID=509780

Any one else hearing about other under the radar guys?

[Tatanka]

Lots of good information here... I like the list of MN players. It appears they have a solid class of players! I came a ccrossed one of their recruiting sites and list of top players. I spent most of my time looking at their offensive lineman.... Pirsig, Lee and Hayes REALLY stick out, but I was also impressed with Doug Welch, who is 6'5 310, but seems to be real athletic for the size.

Here is the site for the top recruits:http://minnesotapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=921&CID=1188408

As well as Welch's video:http://recruit-match.ncsasports.org/fasttrack/client/RecruitingProfile.do?method=getRecruitingProfile&clientID=509780

Any one else hearing about other under the radar guys?

Welcome to the board!

[HerdBot]

Again, my reading comprehension is just fine, and I don't need your help breaking anything down, but thanks for your help. No point in even saying anything more.

Sorry to keep beating a dead horse but the Raiders drafted Taiwan Jones in the 4th round. Still think 4.27 speed means nothing?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014920202_apfbnnfldraftraidersjones.html

Let me guess Raiders are a pitiful franchise and he would have gone undrafted hadn't the Raiders picked him? It was a fluke that he put up 220 yards in the 1st half against our defense? Its a fluke he had the season he did? 4.27 is world class NFL speed much less FCS.

[EndZoneQB]

Sorry to keep beating a dead horse but the Raiders drafted Taiwan Jones in the 4th round. Still think 4.27 speed means nothing?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014920202_apfbnnfldraftraidersjones.html

Let me guess Raiders are a pitiful franchise and he would have gone undrafted hadn't the Raiders picked him? It was a fluke that he put up 220 yards in the 1st half against our defense? Its a fluke he had the season he did? 4.27 is world class NFL speed much less FCS.

LMFAO, Al Davis is NOTORIOUS for drafting based SOLELY on speed. Remember Darius Heyward-Bey? Look at the CB they drafted this year.

Using the Raiders as an example is the worst thing to do. Taiwan Jones was such a Davis pick, it's not even funny. And yes, the Raiders are a terrible franchise, and will be until Davis is out of the equation.

[mgbison]

Gabe, you should be a scout for the raiders. Aren't the raiders the team that drafted that receiver who was ridiculously fast but sucks ass. Jones may end up being a good NFL back, but he's gonna have to man up and take a hit.

[EndZoneQB]

Gabe, you should be a scout for the raiders. Aren't the raiders the team that drafted that receiver who was ridiculously fast but sucks ass. Jones may end up being a good NFL back, but he's gonna have to man up and take a hit.

Like I posted, Darius Heyward-Bey.

[HerdBot]

Gabe, you should be a scout for the raiders. Aren't the raiders the team that drafted that receiver who was ridiculously fast but sucks ass. Jones may end up being a good NFL back, but he's gonna have to man up and take a hit.

If your going to rip in the bad picks at least acknowledge the good picks.

Darren McFadden ran nearly as fast as Jones and he was arguably the best running back in the NFL for the Raiders. 1600 all purpose yards and over 5 yards per carry. The only guy who was faster... chris johnson.

Still think speed is irrelevant?

[mgbison]

McFadden is a beast, who also happens to be ridiculously fast. Tj is just fast. No one ever said speed and size doesn't matter.

[HerdBot]

McFadden is a beast, who also happens to be ridiculously fast. Tj is just fast. No one ever said speed and size doesn't matter.

Well you didn't say it.... but others did! :)

[BadlandsBison]

McFadden scored a ton of fantasy points last season. The only diamond in my turd of a team. I'm drafting Taiwan first overall next year :)

[BisonNolesFan77]

Sorry to keep beating a dead horse but the Raiders drafted Taiwan Jones in the 4th round. Still think 4.27 speed means nothing?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014920202_apfbnnfldraftraidersjones.html

Let me guess Raiders are a pitiful franchise and he would have gone undrafted hadn't the Raiders picked him? It was a fluke that he put up 220 yards in the 1st half against our defense? Its a fluke he had the season he did? 4.27 is world class NFL speed much less FCS.

You really don't know when to shut the hell up do you? I never said that speed does not matter...maybe your reading comprehension is needing the work here?

Great for the Raiders, they continue with their very Gabe like obsession with speed. But hey, I suppose having the same priorites in a player as Al Davis makes you one of the greatest football minds out there, without a doubt the best here on Bisonville.

[BisonNolesFan77]

If your going to rip in the bad picks at least acknowledge the good picks.

Darren McFadden ran nearly as fast as Jones and he was arguably the best running back in the NFL for the Raiders. 1600 all purpose yards and over 5 yards per carry. The only guy who was faster... chris johnson.

Still think speed is irrelevant?

Arian Foster, 1616 Rushing Yards (4.9 YPC) and 604 Recieving Yards (9.2 YPR) and 18 total TD's....4.73 and 4.69 40 times at his UT pro day (7.09 three cone which is very good...and how ironic, measures bend, agility, and change of direction...which last time I checked are also just as important in a RB).

Give it up, you can pick out your burners all you want and post their stats, but there will be a guy out there who didn't run as fast in a straight line as McFadden, or Johnson, or Jones who put up numbers just as good or better. Yeah, speed matters, but there is a whole hell of a lot more that goes into a RB.

[jarhead]

Recruiting is slow right now so I thought some of you might enjoy the following articles from the Hawkeye website Black Heart, Gold Pants.
The first concerns Ryan Reiff, a sophomore OT who some are projecting as a possible Viking first round selection in next years draft. The
second is a pretty mathematically sound evaluation of the star ranking system and the relative abilities of different BCS programs and con-
ferences to develop those players for the next level. Interesting reading.

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2008/7/28/580885/i-think-we-can-talk-about

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2011/4/30/2143688/the-best-and-worst-college-programs-and-conferences-at-developing

[jarhead]

Newest POI on Scouts is Tari Jones, DB from AZ.

http://hsarizona.scout.com/a.z?s=222&p=8&c=1&nid=5034327

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UFIrSGJk-I

[jarhead]

37th POI on Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Matt-Sosinsky-127145

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtLZl6yGnXU

http://www.footballstarsoftomorrow.com/player.php?pid=178

[mnriverbison]

When can we expect to learn more about the 2012 class? Is it after summer camps or more into the season?

[jarhead]

Two years ago, a lot of offers went out early (at or after summer camps) and commitments followed soon after. Last year, reports of offers
were slow and verbals kind of trickled in. Last year our Rivals page had about 76 players we were supposedly interested in, so far this year
there are 37. A lot of the kids we ended up signing last year never appeared on Rivals or Scouts lists. It's all a crap shoot. The coaches keep their targets under wraps, as they probably should. It would be fun to know who attends our summer camps though.