wac aTtack mac attack i dont care

[SlickVic]

Just get me outa here I'm standing on a street corner in the equivalent of frazee or perham or mahnomen minnesota wtf are we doing here honestly what is this the state b get me outa here. I wanna be at a bowl game.

[WYOBISONMAN]

Just get me outa here I'm standing on a street corner in the equivalent of frazee or perham or mahnomen minnesota wtf are we doing here honestly what is this the state b get me outa here. I wanna be at a bowl game.

Slick......you are shit faced......get to bed!!!!!

[FarSouth Bison]

So why are you still up?

[SlickVic]

So why are you still up?

I got company coming over don't worry about it its all good I'm just saying I feel like I just took a time machine back to the 1940s not that there's anything wrong with that but why not play these games in mahnomen open up a sportsbook itd be the exact same thing minus the airplanes bison can win a bowl game no doubt about it they can also win playoff games on the road aka pump it up we going to washington baby let's blow this popstand I'm already done with bozeman and we ant even played pump it up fools

[NDSUFan_Sav]

hahahaha what up slick,you gonna tailgate?

[lakesbison]

I agree bozeman lame town.

[MontBison]

It'll be a lame town if you go to the lame bars....

[WYOBISONMAN]

Lakes......ya should have come down to Bar IX.......it was FAR from lame!

[SlickVic]

Last nights thread by longhorn made me think of this lol chea boooy mac wac mwc lets move up haha

[MNLonghorn10]

great bump. This needs to be done now before half of these schools fold up football because they cant afford it when the FBS teams quit playing them.

So a thread gets made about moving up needing to be done NOW gets closed after a night, but when thebigund makes a thread, it stays open to this day?

[loudsilverado]

I agree bozeman lame town.

How far did this preposterous statement make it in the tournament in 2010??

[EndZoneQB]

Mwc !

[SamsRams]

I am not a fan of moving up unless its a real conference. mountain west is the bottom of the real conferences and if there was ever an invite id assume NDSU would jump at it. on a realistic note NDSU is most likely 20th in line to receive a mwc invite. I have heard numerous mwc expansion theories listening to Vegas sports talk radio and never once has NDSU been even discussed

[MNLonghorn10]

MWC was maybe a graveyard 2 years ago, but with the big east basically folding up shop, the other respectable programs will stay in the conference.

plus its an excellent basketball conference. NDSU would help with its football prestige immensely.

[marenlee]

As a football conference I really think they're the best of the non-BCS conferences, including the Big Least. With BYU possibly coming back they're only going to get stronger.

[heckler]

Did we move up yet?

[SDbison]

I am not a fan of moving up unless its a real conference. mountain west is the bottom of the real conferences and if there was ever an invite id assume NDSU would jump at it. on a realistic note NDSU is most likely 20th in line to receive a mwc invite. I have heard numerous mwc expansion theories listening to Vegas sports talk radio and never once has NDSU been even discussed I don't think NDSU is putting its name out there as interested in moving up to FBS so I doubt any FBS conference is considering the Bison. NDSU has to start putting out some vibes that if the championships continue and restrictions on FCS start happening a move to FBS will be in the works.

[NDSUstudent]

MAC? MWC? Small potatoes.....The B1G is were it is at....Southern Bison needs to call up the Big 10 offices and ask for commissioner Jim Delaney to tell him we are ready to join.

[TransAmBison]

Why don't we just move up to the NFL?

[SDbison]

If you don't like the topic go post elsewhere.................

[NDSUstudent]

Why don't we just move up to the NFL?

Well it is a move about as likely as NDSU joining the MWC.

[SDbison]

Most football fans back in the 1990's said the Bison couldn't ever make the move to Division I-AA, about as likely as the Bison ever beating the Gophers. Wow, glad those satisfied with DII were not able to intimidate those who envisioned bigger things.

[NDSUstudent]

I'm all for moving up if we get an invite. The future of the FCS is very bleak and I'll just leave it at that. I just don't think we'll be joining the MWC anytime soon.

[loudsilverado]

I personally think the MWC is perfect and I hope to hell someone is looking into a move.

[SDbison]

I'm all for moving up if we get an invite. The future of the FCS is very bleak and I'll just leave it at that. I just don't think we'll be joining the MWC anytime soon. Well, unless NDSU's president and AD are not out there selling the idea of a NDSU move to FBS there will never be any offers. It won't happen withoout some PR and face time. NDSU has much more to offer than some of you realize.

[TransAmBison]

If you don't like the topic go post elsewhere.................You're not seriously callin' me out, are you?

[SDbison]

You're not seriously callin' me out, are you? Yes......poke and make fun elsewhere. NDSU is a top FCS team and top FCS teams often make the jump to FBS. I don't think anyone mentioned the NFL but you.

[TransAmBison]

Yes......poke and make fun elsewhere. NDSU is a top FCS team and top FCS teams often make the jump to FBS. I don't think anyone mentioned the NFL but you.I'm a visionary. People keep saying they want NDSU at the highest level. Those same people will be disappointed with teh Wacs (easy Izzy) because NDSU won't get the recognition and prime ESPN coverage. MAC won't do it either. If/when we join the SEC, we won't be favored in games at first, so we won't get the coverage we need/want/deserve/etc. We need to go to the NFL, and not to some crap conference either. We may even have to start our own super conference. Think BIG people!!!! We have a opening in our schedule. Why not schedule the Ravens?!?! Is that preposterous? Why? Is that more preposterous than thinking we will come up with many more millions of dollars when people are complaining about rising ticket/teammaker costs now?

NFL baby! PUMP it UP! :D :cheers:

[unbison]

I'm a visionary. People keep saying they want NDSU at the highest level. Those same people will be disappointed with teh Wacs (easy Izzy) because NDSU won't get the recognition and prime ESPN coverage. MAC won't do it either. If/when we join the SEC, we won't be favored in games at first, so we won't get the coverage we need/want/deserve/etc. We need to go to the NFL, and not to some crap conference either. We may even have to start our own super conference. Think BIG people!!!! We have a opening in our schedule. Why not schedule the Ravens?!?! Is that preposterous? Why? Is that more preposterous than thinking we will come up with many more millions of dollars when people are complaining about rising ticket/teammaker costs now?

NFL baby! PUMP it UP! :D :cheers:
I was wondering if we could petition the nfl to play in the afc ..... As we are unsure what kind of gloom and doom would be fall Viking and packer fans if the bison were in the NFC central and beating them twice a year

[TransAmBison]

I was wondering if we could petition the nfl to play in the afc ..... As we are unsure what kind of gloom and doom would be fall Viking and packer fans if the bison were in the NFC central and beating them twice a yearWell, we do want to be in the highest level...is the NFC central any different than DII? Just sayin'... :D

[unbison]

Well, we do want to be in the highest level...is the NFC central any different than DII? Just sayin'... :D

okok your on point again!

[EndZoneQB]

MAC? MWC? Small potatoes.....The B1G is were it is at....Southern Bison needs to call up the Big 10 offices and ask for commissioner Jim Delaney to tell him we are ready to join.

Attempt at being cool = failed. Avatar = fail.

[MNLonghorn10]

monkey see monkey do.

[NDSUstudent]

Rumors beginning to swirl that the Sun Belt will add App State, GSU and James Madison...if true it would be a huge blow to the FCS.

[Elvis was a Bison]

Mods, you shut down the last ASSINE TREAD on moving up. What's holding you back now? Sweet Jesus, can't we talk about Bison football as it now exists? Maybe we can start a separate board for the "dreamers" My head is spinning with this constant nonsense. In the words of some psycho babble dude who's name I can't recall at the moment....."Neurotics build dream castles, Psychotics live in them."

[heckler]

Mods, you shut down the last ASSINE TREAD on moving up. What's holding you back now? Sweet Jesus, can't we talk about Bison football as it now exists? Maybe we can start a separate board for the "dreamers" My head is spinning with this constant nonsense. In the words of some psycho babble dude who's name I can't recall at the moment....."Neurotics build dream castles, Psychotics live in them."

Then why read the thread?

[loudsilverado]

If they leave FCS, we need to move up now.

[NorthernBison]

If they leave FCS, we need to move up now.

Just checking. You know how it works right?

[MankatoBison]

Mods, you shut down the last ASSINE TREAD on moving up. What's holding you back now? Sweet Jesus, can't we talk about Bison football as it now exists?

I believe we are talking about Bison Football as it now exists. The culture we're playing in is changing and there are some people who think its better to change with it as opposed to being left behind. Quit acting like we're insane people because we believe that the time to start looking forward and exploring options is now. If you really think that we should NEVER again talk about this, or that you NEVER want to read us talking about it, then you have two options

1. STOP READING THE THREAD
2. Go over and Join the SS forum.. I'm sure they'd love to have more idiotic know-it-alls who just KNOW whats best for their institution, and think anyone with a differing opinion should be locked up.

[NorthernBison]

I believe we are talking about Bison Football as it now exists. The culture we're playing in is changing and there are some people who think its better to change with it as opposed to being left behind. Quit acting like we're insane people because we believe that the time to start looking forward and exploring options is now. If you really think that we should NEVER again talk about this, or that you NEVER want to read us talking about it, then you have two options

1. STOP READING THE THREAD
2. Go over and Join the SS forum.. I'm sure they'd love to have more idiotic know-it-alls who just KNOW whats best for their institution, and think anyone with a differing opinion should be locked up.

I have no problem with people discussing potential moves as long as they do it reasonably. That means understanding how it works and not calling those that disagree DII thinkers and other crap that gets tossed around from time to time.

I'm sure Gene is exploring options all the time. Unfortunately, the list is extremely short. VERY VERY VERY SHORT.

You can't move to FBS football without a conference invitation in hand. That means all you can really do is let it be known that you are willing to move up if asked. From that point on, you have basically no control. I don't know of any FBS conferences looking for "football only" members. So, basically, you end up sitting around WAITING and HOPING somebody wants your entire program. How long is the list of potential all-sports conferences who sponsor football and might be a fit for NDSU? Maybe two? (MAC, MWC?) Of those, which is interested in NDSU? None?

[unbison]

I have no problem with people discussing potential moves as long as they do it reasonably. That means understanding how it works and not calling those that disagree DII thinkers and other crap that gets tossed around from time to time.

I'm sure Gene is exploring options all the time. Unfortunately, the list is extremely short. VERY VERY VERY SHORT.

You can't move to FBS football without a conference invitation in hand. That means all you can really do is let it be known that you are willing to move up if asked. From that point on, you have basically no control. I don't know of any FBS conferences looking for "football only" members. So, basically, you end up sitting around WAITING and HOPING somebody wants your entire program. How long is the list of potential all-sports conferences who sponsor football and might be a fit for NDSU? Maybe two? (MAC, MWC?) Of those, which is interested in NDSU? None?

But ,,,,, but,,,,,, we wanna go fbs ...... We will find enough money for 40 more scholarships .....when we can't find the funding for the BSA after many years of fund raising.... We will add on to the Fargo dome build a outside upper deck with a glass roof!
It's unrealistic at this time for many reasons to make this move

[BlueBisonRock]

But ,,,,, but,,,,,, we wanna go fbs ...... We will find enough money for 40 more scholarships .....when we can't find the funding for the BSA after many years of fund raising.... We will add on to the Fargo dome build a outside upper deck with a glass roof!
It's unrealistic at this time for many reasons to make this move

Just think of it as spending 'other peoples' money.

[Mayville Bison]

I believe we are talking about Bison Football as it now exists. The culture we're playing in is changing and there are some people who think its better to change with it as opposed to being left behind. Quit acting like we're insane people because we believe that the time to start looking forward and exploring options is now.

If this is what people were actually talking about, that would be just fine. However, that's not what's going on. People are saying we would be an instant contender in the B1G and be able to play against Alabama and win. The actual argument is very simple and NorthernBison states it very nicely (for the x-hundredth time), "You can't move to FBS football without a conference invitation in hand".

If GT wants to go through the discovery phase to see if we can fit (especially financially), great! As much as I'm against a move to FBS right now, I would start to wonder what the guys in charge are doing if they weren't at least exploring the option.

[MankatoBison]

People are saying we would be an instant contender in the B1G and be able to play against Alabama and win.

Literally no one has ever said that meaningfully. Can you please stop acting like a 12 year old? NO ONE, and I repeat, NO ONE believes you can get into a conference without an invite you idiot. We're just saying we would like to see it happen, and which conference we'd want it to happen in. dear lord, bro

[BlueBisonRock]

Literally no one has ever said that meaningfully. Can you please stop acting like a 12 year old? NO ONE, and I repeat, NO ONE believes you can get into a conference without an invite you idiot. We're just saying we would like to see it happen, and which conference we'd want it to happen in. dear lord, bro

Come on Mank. 12 year old? Idiot?

We on Bisonville can do better than that. If you are going to insult, go with the traditional to the heart insult! These jr high insults just do not make the grade.

Try:
Somewhere there is a villiage missing their idiot! Or -
I know you are nobody’s fool but maybe someone will adopt you. Or -
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive.

I don’t think you are a fool. But then what’s MY opinion against the majority of Bisonville? Have a great day!

[56BISON73]

Come on Mank. 12 year old? Idiot?

We on Bisonville can do better than that. If you are going to insult, go with the traditional to the heart insult! These jr high insults just do not make the grade.

Try:
Somewhere there is a villiage missing their idiot! Or -
I know you are nobody’s fool but maybe someone will adopt you. Or -
If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person alive.

I don’t think you are a fool. But then what’s MY opinion against the majority of Bisonville? Have a great day!

Yes---but 12 year old idiot gets right to the point and leaves no doubt on intent or meaning.
I can appreciate your suggestions but they leave a lot of room for interpretation.

[BlueBisonRock]

Yes---but 12 year old idiot gets right to the point and leaves no doubt on intent or meaning.
I can appreciate your suggestions but they leave a lot of room for interpretation.

I much prefer the Churchill aproach as demonstrated when an English Lady huffed at him during an extravagent dinner party: "Sir Winston, you are drunk!" His reply: "This is true. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly."


Think of the entertainment value to the rest of Bisonville.

[Strongman]

NOBODY THINKS THAT the Bison can move up and compete with Alabama and the SEC. If that was the standard that the SEC should form their own SUPERSTAR DIVISION or alternatively, the Big 10, ACC, Pac 10 and all other BCS conferences should move down a level. On the other hand, NDSU could within 10 years be a legit top 20 team, i.e., like Boise State. NDSU would instantly be competing for a MAC title the day they moved up.

Times change and the landscape of college football has changed dramatically in the last 20 years and will continue to moving forward. Back when the Minnesota Gophers were winning Rose Bowl games, nobody at NDSU would have ever dreamed that one day, we would be a superior football team to the Gophers. This is 2013, not 1964.

NDSU can never compete with the big boys. Just like nobody in Fargo could ever start a software company from the ground up, and turn it into a $200 million dollar company, employing several hundred people. "Doug, this is North Dakota, we are inferior to other people. You should not dream so big. Just be content to be average or pretty good."

[Mayville Bison]

Literally no one has ever said that meaningfully. Can you please stop acting like a 12 year old? NO ONE, and I repeat, NO ONE believes you can get into a conference without an invite you idiot. We're just saying we would like to see it happen, and which conference we'd want it to happen in. dear lord, bro

You can say no one here has said it meaningfully, but there are plenty of people saying it. I've heard callers call into kfan and mention it. I've seen it on other school's message boards. I hear it almost everyday due to working in Grand Forks and sporting my Green and Gold.

As could be expected, when facts are brought up, it instantly turns to insults and name calling. I want to believe everyone is capable of understanding this very basic fact, but have been proven wrong time and time again. If you do understand that, I appologize for grouping you in with "that crowd".

[NorthernBison]

NOBODY THINKS THAT the Bison can move up and compete with Alabama and the SEC. If that was the standard that the SEC should form their own SUPERSTAR DIVISION or alternatively, the Big 10, ACC, Pac 10 and all other BCS conferences should move down a level. On the other hand, NDSU could within 10 years be a legit top 20 team, i.e., like Boise State. NDSU would instantly be competing for a MAC title the day they moved up.

Times change and the landscape of college football has changed dramatically in the last 20 years and will continue to moving forward. Back when the Minnesota Gophers were winning Rose Bowl games, nobody at NDSU would have ever dreamed that one day, we would be a superior football team to the Gophers. This is 2013, not 1964.

NDSU can never compete with the big boys. Just like nobody in Fargo could ever start a software company from the ground up, and turn it into a $200 million dollar company, employing several hundred people. "Doug, this is North Dakota, we are inferior to other people. You should not dream so big. Just be content to be average or pretty good."

As usual you're ONLY talking about football. Not to mention the fact that you are making a pile of assumptions.

This thread started out incorrectly talking about the WAC or MAC. Well, the WAC is a non-starter and doesn't need to be explained. Right now we are at the BOTTOM of the MAC in terms of budget. Our football program would be competitive with the MAC right away as it currently exists. There's a major problem with that assumption though.

What happens to our ability to fund our football program if we have to direct ALL NEW DOLLARS to getting our other programs competitive with the MAC? Or were you thinking we let everything else slide down into oblivion and focus ONLY on football?

[Strongman]

Miami $25,604,474.00
EMU $24,635,531.00
Akron $24,498,336.00
CMU $24,104,699.00
WMU $23,233,399.00
Ohio $22,875,238.00
NIU $21,899,024.00
Toledo $20,021,956.00
Kent $19,446,680.00
BGSU $17,850,240.00
Ball State $17,347,944.00
Buffalo $16,973,585.00

Average: $21,540,925.50

These are reachable and realistic goals!

[aces1180]

Miami $25,604,474.00
EMU $24,635,531.00
Akron $24,498,336.00
CMU $24,104,699.00
WMU $23,233,399.00
Ohio $22,875,238.00
NIU $21,899,024.00
Toledo $20,021,956.00
Kent $19,446,680.00
BGSU $17,850,240.00
Ball State $17,347,944.00
Buffalo $16,973,585.00

Average: $21,540,925.50

These are reachable and realistic goals!

Do you seriously want NDSU to play football games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays? As someone who lives out of town and has been a season ticket holder for a while now, I sure don't.

[SamsRams]

Do you seriously want NDSU to play football games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays? As someone who lives out of town and has been a season ticket holder for a while now, I sure don't.

As a wise young man said once..........speak for yourself :duel:

[aces1180]

As a wise young man said once..........speak for yourself :duel:

I did speak for myself.

[BlueBisonRock]

I did speak for myself.

Agreed. Weekday games are not an option for me. Knowing a few others who drive a fair distance (including the Twin Cities), joining a conference that requires weekday games would have a negative impact on attendance.

Oops. Just spoke for myself and a couple more folks . . . .

[Honeybooboo]

I think weekday games would hurt also, I'll keep the saturdays

[SlickVic]

Yo fools are whack if ndsu is in mac they might play 1 game in a year on a wed or thur do u really think it would be every week my o my you all aint too brite mac attack we in this to play in orange bowl ala niu tim polosack

[EndZoneQB]

Miami $25,604,474.00
EMU $24,635,531.00
Akron $24,498,336.00
CMU $24,104,699.00
WMU $23,233,399.00
Ohio $22,875,238.00
NIU $21,899,024.00
Toledo $20,021,956.00
Kent $19,446,680.00
BGSU $17,850,240.00
Ball State $17,347,944.00
Buffalo $16,973,585.00

Average: $21,540,925.50

These are reachable and realistic goals!

As done in the other thread with Denver, we should point out more than a couple of these schools play teh hockies so that accounts for an increased budget...

[BlueBisonRock]

Yo fools are whack if ndsu is in mac they might play 1 game in a year on a wed or thur do u really think it would be every week my o my you all aint too brite mac attack we in this to play in orange bowl ala niu tim polosack

One of Six still sucks the big one. I have no problem moving up, given an effective business case. Moving up to be some network's trained monkey just does not do it for me. (Just speaking for myself here.) Besides, Slickster. Missing weekday games and the tailgating would limit the chest bumps the the tailgate time I would have to BS with you.

[Bison 4 Life]

So basically the people who want to move up to FBS want to be among the lowest budgets in the division? Makes sense.

Would you have also supported the move to FCS to be in the OVC or the Pioneer? Because that's kind of what you are talking about with the MAC.

[unbison]

do you forget we moved up without conference affiliation?

[Bison 4 Life]

do you forget we moved up without conference affiliation?

I was speaking in terms of relative competitive ability. If you're in the MAC you are in the lower third of FBS and that is the best you can hope to be. Doesn't sound like much of a move up.

[Strongman]

I was speaking in terms of relative competitive ability. If you're in the MAC you are in the lower third of FBS and that is the best you can hope to be. Doesn't sound like much of a move up.


OMG. It's not like NDSU stays in the MAC forever. It's a stepping stone. Analogous to the Great West. (Actually, we could if MAC conference winners gets automatic bid to new playoff system.) This is not rocket science, people. With 30% increase in metro area by 2040, oil $ out west, and the Bison riding high with Bohl, now is the perfect time to move up, build the new stadium or expand the FargoDome.

I know most of you want to only plan one or two years in advance, or alternatively try to stay in 1964 permanently. But you make the move and new stadium for the 20 to 40 year plan. The shortsighted of fans/supporters led to the current "problem" of the FargoDome and the fact that the Bison have out grown it and are losing thousands and thousands of dollars a game because they could be drawing 25,000 or more for their big games. The FargoDome was originally suppose to have 25,000 to 30,000 seats.

[Honeybooboo]

OMG. It's not like NDSU stays in the MAC forever. It's a stepping stone. Analogous to the Great West. (Actually, we could if MAC conference winners gets automatic bid to new playoff system.) This is not rocket science, people. With 30% increase in metro area by 2040, oil $ out west, and the Bison riding high with Bohl, now is the perfect time to move up, build the new stadium or expand the FargoDome.

I know most of you want to only plan one or two years in advance, or alternatively try to stay in 1964 permanently. But you make the move and new stadium for the 20 to 40 year plan. The shortsighted of fans/supporters led to the current "problem" of the FargoDome and the fact that the Bison have out grown it and are losing thousands and thousands of dollars a game because they could be drawing 25,000 or more for their big games. The FargoDome was originally suppose to have 25,000 to 30,000 seats.

Where are the 200 million plus dollars going to come from for your scenario?

[BisonNation11]

OMG. It's not like NDSU stays in the MAC forever. It's a stepping stone. Analogous to the Great West. (Actually, we could if MAC conference winners gets automatic bid to new playoff system.) This is not rocket science, people. With 30% increase in metro area by 2040, oil $ out west, and the Bison riding high with Bohl, now is the perfect time to move up, build the new stadium or expand the FargoDome.

I know most of you want to only plan one or two years in advance, or alternatively try to stay in 1964 permanently. But you make the move and new stadium for the 20 to 40 year plan. The shortsighted of fans/supporters led to the current "problem" of the FargoDome and the fact that the Bison have out grown it and are losing thousands and thousands of dollars a game because they could be drawing 25,000 or more for their big games. The FargoDome was originally suppose to have 25,000 to 30,000 seats.

So one sellout year on the cusp of two, and we've suddenly outgrown the dome? If this has happened for 5-10 years, I'd agree. But it hasn't. Next move is to increase ticket prices, TM dues, etc. See if it fills then. See if it fills when we don't win a natty (it's going to happen someday I promise). And until you show me oil money coming to NDSU, I won't believe it's happening. And you want us to base the move up now on estimated population totals for over 25 years from now? Who's going to pay for your upgrades today???

[NorthernBison]

Where are the 200 million plus dollars going to come from for your scenario?

He's delusional. Any stadium will have to be funded by donations, in advance, and 200 million is note even close to what it would cost.

In addition, mark it down, the MAC will NEVER have an FBS autobid for any playoff system that includes the power programs. That just isn't happening and only a fool would think they are going to share.

Even the Gophers think the MAC is a joke and that should tell you what the rest of college football thinks. ESPN doesn't respect the MAC but they do need a midweek clown show for the football deprived so the contract is useful.

[MankatoBison]

We'd have to be insane to try and build a $200 million stadium..... We could easily build one that fits our needs for $150 GUARANTEED. Not even a question. Especially one that at MAX 40k seats and no retractable roof...

[unbison]

Because ndsu's budget can reach what other schools are at 2040 with this huge population of 300k is a bit of a farce in my
Eyes does strong man believe other schools athletic budgets will remain the same over then next 27 years .... I'm absolutely confused

[Honeybooboo]

We'd have to be insane to try and build a $200 million stadium..... We could easily build one that fits our needs for $150 GUARANTEED. Not even a question. Especially one that at MAX 40k seats and no retractable roof...

If like strong suggests a 30-40k indoor stadium I can guarantee it would be 200mil, if not more

[BisoninNWMN]

OMG. It's not like NDSU stays in the MAC forever. It's a stepping stone. Analogous to the Great West. (Actually, we could if MAC conference winners gets automatic bid to new playoff system.) This is not rocket science, people. With 30% increase in metro area by 2040, oil $ out west, and the Bison riding high with Bohl, now is the perfect time to move up, build the new stadium or expand the FargoDome.

I know most of you want to only plan one or two years in advance, or alternatively try to stay in 1964 permanently. But you make the move and new stadium for the 20 to 40 year plan. The shortsighted of fans/supporters led to the current "problem" of the FargoDome and the fact that the Bison have out grown it and are losing thousands and thousands of dollars a game because they could be drawing 25,000 or more for their big games. The FargoDome was originally suppose to have 25,000 to 30,000 seats.


Actually I like it. NDSU would need to lobby their asses off to try and get some oil money from the state to help fund the new stadium. Too bad the FargoDome wasn't the 27K seat stadium that was the original proposal (I think it was 27K).

But as others have pointed out, raise ticket prices and TM dues first. I for one, would pay more to tickets and would contribute more to TM if the school decided to move up.

I think GT has said at one time that a move up to FBS would take the athletic department to double their budget for the move up. That would mean it would it would become roughly 30-35 million. Can it be done? Could be......expect a lot....get a lot! Right?

Would I support a move up? You bet I would. But I would also support the status quo right now.

[1st&TennBison]

Here is a good read on why NDSU should be VERY careful about a move to the FBS level. IMO we are in a great position right where we are now and have no reason for the move.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/sports/ncaafootball/universities-chase-big-time-glory-in-fbs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[SDbison]

Here is a good read on why NDSU should be VERY careful about a move to the FBS level. IMO we are in a great position right where we are now and have no reason for the move.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/sports/ncaafootball/universities-chase-big-time-glory-in-fbs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Disagree. Lots of differences between NDSU and U Mass. or several of the schools referenced in that article:
1. NDSU has a rich winning tradition in football that goes back 50 years (10 national championships).
2. NDSU's fanbase is growing and fans travel to away games as much as the average FBS team's fans.
3. NDSU is in a 3 state area where there are no FBS teams, and you can almost include Minnesota as the Gophers suck.
4. NDSU is a good sized land grant university that would be growing even faster if the idiots who run the state didn't do things to impede growth.
5. NDSU is already a top 10 FCS team and even in bad years will rarely drop out of the top 25.
6. NDSU needs to make a move to FBS as many of their peers are doing so and FCS is already starting to lower itself like DII did.
7. NDSU has a very good chance of succeeding in FBS because they really belong there.
With all that said NDSU needs to promote itself as the next Boise State considering tradition, university size, metro area, fan support, etc. Hopefully some day a bigger conference will realize its better to invite a state university that has the makings of a future big time program than all these eastern and southern schools with dreams of being like their big brothers accross the street and making big bucks.

[BisoninNWMN]

Disagree. Lots of differences between NDSU and U Mass. or several of the schools referenced in that article:
1. NDSU has a rich winning tradition in football that goes back 50 years (10 national championships).
2. NDSU's fanbase is growing and fans travel to away games as much as the average FBS team's fans.
3. NDSU is in a 3 state area where there are no FBS teams, and you can almost include Minnesota as the Gophers suck.
4. NDSU is a good sized land grant university that would be growing even faster if the idiots who run the state didn't do things to impede growth.
5. NDSU is already a top 10 FCS team and even in bad years will rarely drop out of the top 25.
6. NDSU needs to make a move to FBS as many of their peers are doing so and FCS is already starting to lower itself like DII did.
7. NDSU has a very good chance of succeeding in FBS because they really belong there.
With all that said NDSU needs to promote itself as the next Boise State considering tradition, university size, metro area, fan support, etc. Hopefully some day a bigger conference will realize its better to invite a state university that has the makings of a future big time program than all these eastern and southern schools with dreams of being like their big brothers accross the street and making big bucks.


SD....Good post!!

Get some fundraisers with endless energy and get those $$ coming in. Nothing comes easy but it can be done.

[Hammerhead]

I'll add #8. NDSU does not play its home games at a stadium that is 1 hour 46 minutes from campus according to google maps. If you want to avoid toll roads, it takes two hours for students to get to the games.



Disagree. Lots of differences between NDSU and U Mass. or several of the schools referenced in that article:
1. NDSU has a rich winning tradition in football that goes back 50 years (10 national championships).
2. NDSU's fanbase is growing and fans travel to away games as much as the average FBS team's fans.
3. NDSU is in a 3 state area where there are no FBS teams, and you can almost include Minnesota as the Gophers suck.
4. NDSU is a good sized land grant university that would be growing even faster if the idiots who run the state didn't do things to impede growth.
5. NDSU is already a top 10 FCS team and even in bad years will rarely drop out of the top 25.
6. NDSU needs to make a move to FBS as many of their peers are doing so and FCS is already starting to lower itself like DII did.
7. NDSU has a very good chance of succeeding in FBS because they really belong there.
With all that said NDSU needs to promote itself as the next Boise State considering tradition, university size, metro area, fan support, etc. Hopefully some day a bigger conference will realize its better to invite a state university that has the makings of a future big time program than all these eastern and southern schools with dreams of being like their big brothers accross the street and making big bucks.

[Billings]

When Wyo was doing a big fund raiser push for facilities a few years ago, some of them athletic, they got the state to match any private donation dollar for dollar up to a set amount.

Thus UW was able to go to Private donors and sell the idea that for every dollar you give it is doubled by the state. State of Wyo had a huge surplus then and the legislature supported it. We built several new buildings on campus this way, including athletic remodels.

Just a thought. Legislators liked it as this way the University had some skin in the game and had to show there was private support there as well

[stevdock]

When Wyo was doing a big fund raiser push for facilities a few years ago, some of them athletic, they got the state to match any private donation dollar for dollar up to a set amount.

Thus UW was able to go to Private donors and sell the idea that for every dollar you give it is doubled by the state. State of Wyo had a huge surplus then and the legislature supported it. We built several new buildings on campus this way, including athletic remodels.

Just a thought. Legislators liked it as this way the University had some skin in the game and had to show there was private support there as well

I like the idea and think it would be successful and ND could also handle but big difference is Wyoming has one school where we have about a million.

[unbison]

Sd, Boise state has about 23k students and the metro is 600k ....just a FYI

[Grizzled]

When Wyo was doing a big fund raiser push for facilities a few years ago, some of them athletic, they got the state to match any private donation dollar for dollar up to a set amount.

Thus UW was able to go to Private donors and sell the idea that for every dollar you give it is doubled by the state. State of Wyo had a huge surplus then and the legislature supported it. We built several new buildings on campus this way, including athletic remodels.

Just a thought. Legislators liked it as this way the University had some skin in the game and had to show there was private support there as well

Worked in Wyoming. Never going to happen in North Dakota since we have a state college every 100 miles no matter which direction you head.

[tjbison]

I like the idea and think it would be successful and ND could also handle but big difference is Wyoming has one school where we have about a million.

Yeah no competition for higher Ed funds makes it a no brainier for Wyo to be FBS and get state money, if Wyoming had 2 major universities I'd be willing to bet neither would be FBS

[NorthernBison]

The ND Legislature has things exactly how they like it now. They spend $0 on Athletic Facilites. Period. Don't even think that is going to change and don't even dream that oil money will ever flow from Western ND to help build a football facility in Fargo, ND.

There should be only one goal in front of NDSU right now. Get enough money raised to get the SHAC project completed. Until that happens we are a "Third World" Athletic Department and not attractive to any conference.

[stevdock]

If we were to move up with our current configuration of the FargoDome, do you realize only Idaho would have a smaller stadium in FBS football?? Even if we were to expand the stadium (new or current) to 25K, that would put us in the bottom 10 in FBS football.

[dragonsfan]

attendence isnt a major factor in fbs recently, as mac has many crowds of 18,000-20,000 at their stadiums. Im sure a NDSU engineering class project could find room for up to 25,000 wouldnt you think?

[unbison]

attendence isnt a major factor in fbs recently, as mac has many crowds of 18,000-20,000 at their stadiums. Im sure a NDSU engineering class project could find room for up to 25,000 wouldnt you think?
Who wants in the Mac? They are gonna get the cold shoulder when bcs playoffs start

[Bison 4 Life]

Who wants in the Mac? They are gonna get the cold shoulder when bcs playoffs start

So is any conference that would take a FCS team.

[JSUBison]

attendence isnt a major factor in fbs recently, as mac has many crowds of 18,000-20,000 at their stadiums. Im sure a NDSU engineering class project could find room for up to 25,000 wouldnt you think?

Attendance sure means a great deal when you host a big name team. If NDSU were to go to FBS and somehow get a 2 for 1 with Minnesota/Nebraska/Iowa, the most that you could get in the dome is the same amount we can get in for Robert Morris. Meaning NDSU would be losing out on lots of money for that type of game. I'm guessing if NDSU had a facility big enough to handle a NDSU/Minnesota game, attendance would be 35-40,000. Either way, until NDSU builds a new stadium, the economics don't make sense to me.

[unbison]

Attendance sure means a great deal when you host a big name team. If NDSU were to go to FBS and somehow get a 2 for 1 with Minnesota/Nebraska/Iowa, the most that you could get in the dome is the same amount we can get in for Robert Morris. Meaning NDSU would be losing out on lots of money for that type of game. I'm guessing if NDSU had a facility big enough to handle a NDSU/Minnesota game, attendance would be 35-40,000. Either way, until NDSU builds a new stadium, the economics don't make sense to me.
Iowa Nebraska and Minnesota don't play at Mac schools

[MNLonghorn10]

Minnesota played Miami last year.

[gotts]

Minnesota played Miami last year.

At home, not on the road.

[NDSUstudent]

Iowa Nebraska and Minnesota don't play at Mac schools

Iowa plays them at neutral sites....MN has played at MAC schools(Ohio, Bowling Green and Kent State), Sun Belt(MTSU and Florida Atlantic) and WAC(NMSU) since 2003.

[SlickVic]

Lets get this done mac mvc I dont care fbs fbs fbs

[Bisonator98]

I got a question that I can't seem to find an answer to, maybe dumb or it's already been discussed but here goes. I know individual schools need a conference invite to move up to FBS, what about an entire conference of schools deciding to move up, is that allowed? For instance say hypothetically the MVFC schools decided they want to go FBS could they just move the conference to FBS and start competing at that level?

[Bison 4 Life]

I got a question that I can't seem to find an answer to, maybe dumb or it's already been discussed but here goes. I know individual schools need a conference invite to move up to FBS, what about an entire conference of schools deciding to move up, is that allowed? For instance say hypothetically the MVFC schools decided they want to go FBS could they just move the conference to FBS and start competing at that level?

The consensus opinion is that is up to the NCAA and they won't let it happen.

[Bisonator98]

I guess the CAA had already looked into it and the NCAA would not allow it. Guess that answers my question! :facepalm:

[NDSUstudent]

The rules can always be changed.

[unbison]

The rules can always be changed.
typical north dakota response........how many millions did that cost the state last time they thought they could change the ncaa rules

[TransAmBison]

typical north dakota response........how many millions did that cost the state last time they thought they could change the ncaa rules
Yeah, but that decision isn't final yet.

[NDSUstudent]

typical north dakota response........how many millions did that cost the state last time they thought they could change the ncaa rules

I'm not talking about a lawsuit, we aren't UND and that isn't how we get things done.

I'm talking about a vote of membership changing the rules. That happened when we went DI, the initial postseason wait was 13 years for men's basketball and we got that reduced down to basically four.

[unbison]

sawry was just having a lil fun

[344Johnson]

I'm not talking about a lawsuit, we aren't UND and that isn't how we get things done.

I'm talking about a vote of membership changing the rules. That happened when we went DI, the initial postseason wait was 13 years for men's basketball and we got that reduced down to basically four.

13 years sounds just silly.

[MN_Moose]

Yes this may be dumb but how desperate will the remaining football schools of the old Big East be?

If the remaining members ask NDSU, UNI et al to join...

remaining big east schools

UConn,
Cincinnati,
South Florida,
Temple,
Houston,
Memphis,
Central Florida and
SMU next year, when Louisville and Rutgers are still members.
Tulane and East Carolina join in 2014, and
Navy arrives as a football member in 2015.
The conference will add a 12th school in 2014 or 2015, with Tulsa the leading candidate.

[tony]

I'm not talking about a lawsuit, we aren't UND and that isn't how we get things done.

I'm talking about a vote of membership changing the rules. That happened when we went DI, the initial postseason wait was 13 years for men's basketball and we got that reduced down to basically four.

Heck, that 13-year deal might still be in place. NDSU got it down to four years by getting into an established conference.

The 13-year wait was what star2city used to predict for NDSU because he was convinced that NDSU was going to be an independent. Although, if the NCC had gone DI and started a new conference, I think that would have been a 13-year wait to get the conference autobid for BB, but I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have ended up waiting that long (we would have merged with Mid-Con or gotten a waiver like NDSUstudent is saying.)

[NDSUstudent]

Was interesting in seeing MVFC football budgets vs the MAC...here is what I found.....

MVFC
NDSU 3,663,103
YSU 3,434,265
UNI 3,329,150
Ill St 3,320,123
Ind St 3,166,886
SIU 3,026,509
USD 2,687,140
WIU 2,681,347
SDSU 2,435,000
MSU 2,364,352

MAC
Ohio 7,868,104
NIU 7,150,133
EMU 6,421,125
Miami 6,388,432
Toledo 6,372,181
WMU 6,047,695
Buffalo 6,005,677
UMass 5,983,990
Akron 5,918,151
Ball St 5,803,970
CMU 5,656,136
Kent St 5,288,232
BGSU 5,121,624