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onbison09
10-28-2010, 06:13 PM
1.Cornell

2 Boise State (A competitive PAC 10 team? NO!!)

3 Oklahoma State

4 Minnesota

5 Wisconsin

6 Penn State

7 Iowa

8 Oklahoma

9 Central Michigan

10 Illinois

11 Missouri

12 Ohio State

13 Virginia Tech

14 Pittsburgh

15 Nebraska

16 Arizona State

17 Lehigh

18 Michigan

19 Northwestern

20 Purdue

21 Rutgers

22 Oregon State (A competitive PAC 10 team? NO!!)

23 Virginia

24 Cal Poly (A competitive PAC 10 team? NO!!)

25 Iowa State

125
1. Matt McDonough, Iowa, Sophomore
2. Brandon Precin, Northwestern, Senior
3. Anthony Robles, Arizona State, Senior
4. Zach Sanders, Minnesota, Junior
5. Logan Stieber, Ohio State, Freshman
6. Nic Bedelyon, Kent State, Junior
7. Cashe Quiroga, Purdue, Sophomore
8. James Nicholson, Old Dominion, Senior
9. Jarrod Patterson, Oklahoma, Sophomore
10. Jarrod Garnett, Virginia Tech, Junior
11. Ben Kjar, Utah Valley, Senior
12. Frank Perrelli, Cornell, Junior
13. Jason Lara, Oregon State, Junior
14. Anthony Zanetta, Pittsburgh, Sophomore
15. Ryan Mango, Stanford, Sophomore
16. Steve Bonnano, Hofstra, Sophomore
17. Andre Gonazalez, Cal State Fullerton, Senior
18. Frank Lomas, Cal State Bakersfield, Junior
19. Garrett Frey, Princeton, Sophomore
20. Shane Young, West Virginia, Sophomore

133
1. Andrew Hochstrasser, Boise State, Senior
2. Jordan Oliver, Oklahoma State, Sophomore
3. Tyler Graff, Wisconsin, Sophomore
4. Mike Grey, Cornell, Senior
5. Filip Novachkov, Cal Poly, Senior
6. Lou Ruggirello, Hofstra, Senior
7. Scotti Sentes, Central Michigan, Junior
8. Kyle Hutter, Old Dominion, Senior
9. Nate Moore, Iowa, Junior
10. Eric Grajales, Michigan, Freshman
11. Michael Martinez, Wyoming, Junior
12. Rollie Peterkin, Penn, Senior
13. Kelly Kubec, Oregon State, Junior
14. Kevin Smith, Buffalo, Junior
15. Ben Ashmore, Arizona State, Senior
16. Ian Paddock, Ohio State, Sophomore
17. John Trumbetti, Lock Haven, Senior
18. David Thorn, Minnesota, Freshman
19. Danny White, Rutgers, Sophomore
20. Freddie Santiate, Boston, Junior

141
1. Zack Bailey, Oklahoma, Senior
2. Jimmy Kennedy, Illinois, Senior
3. Tyler Nauman, Pittsburgh, Junior
4. Kellen Russell, Michigan, Junior
5. Germane Lindsey, Ohio, Senior
6. Mike Thorn, Minnesota, Senior
7. Cody Cleveland, Chattanooga, Senior
8. Chris Diaz, Virginia Tech, Senior
9. Boris Novachkov, Cal Poly, Junior
10. Adin Duenas, Cal State Fullerton, Senior
11. Mike Mangrum, Oregon State, Sophomore
12. Levi Jones, Boise State, Senior
13. Andrew Alton, Penn State, Freshman
14. Chris Drouin, Iowa State, Senior
15. Chris Villalonga, Cornell, Freshman
16. Nick Nelson, Virginia, Junior
17. Todd Schavrien, Missouri, Senior
18. Elijah Nacita, Cal State Bakersfield, Senior
19. Cole Von Ohlen, Air Force, Sophomore
20. Anwar Goeres, Binghamton, Senior

149
1. Darrion Caldwell, North Carolina State, Senior
2. Kyle Dake, Cornell, Sophomore
3. Frank Molinaro, Penn State, Junior
4. Jason Chamberlain, Boise State, Junior
5. Kevin LeValley, Bucknell, Senior
6. Torsten Gillespie, Edinboro, Senior
7. Kurt Kinser, Indiana, Senior
8. Jamal Parks, Oklahoma State, Junior
9. Brandon Rader, West Virginia, Senior
10. Andrew Nadhir, Northwestern, Senior
11. Desi Green, Buffalo, Junior
12. Corey Jantzen, Harvard, Junior
13. Donnie Vinson, Binghamton, Sophomore
14. Mario Mason, Rutgers, Sophomore
15. David Cheza, Michigan State, Junior
16. Brian Stephens, Virginia Tech, Sophomore
17. Nick Stabile, North Carolina, Senior
18. Justin Accordino, Hofstra, Junior
19. Cole Schmitt, Wisconsin, Sophomore
20. Derek Valenti, Virginia, Junior

157
1. Adam Hall, Boise State, Senior
2. Steve Fittery, American, Senior
3. Bubba Jenkins, Arizona State, Senior
4. Justin Lister, Binghamton, Junior
5. Colt Sponseller, Ohio State, Senior
6. David Taylor, Penn State, Freshman
7. Justin Gaethje, Northern Colorado, Senior
8. Jason Welch, Northwestern, Sophomore
9. Paul Young, Indiana, Senior
10. Jake Deitchler, Minnesota, Freshman
11. Bryce Saddoris, Navy, Senior
12. Derek St. John, Iowa, Freshman
13. Neil Erisman, Oklahoma State, Senior
14. Daryl Cocozzo, Rutgers, Senior
15. Peter Yates, Virginia Tech, Sophomore
16. Colton Salazar, Purdue, Senior
17. Barrett Abel, Cal Poly, Senior
18. Anthony Jones, Michigan State, Junior
19. Joe Booth, Drexel, Sophomore
20. James Fleming, Clarion, Sophomore

165
1. Andrew Howe, Wisconsin, Junior
2. Jordan Burroughs, Nebraska, Senior
3. Mike Miller, Central Michigan, Senior
4. Jarion Beets, Northern Iowa, Senior
5. Josh Asper, Maryland, Sophomore
6. Justin Kerber, Cornell, Senior
7. Scott Winston, Rutgers, Sophomore
8. Shane Onufer, Wyoming, Junior
9. Cody Yohn, Minnesota, Sophomore
10. P.J. Gillespie, Hofstra, Junior
11. Brandon Hatchett, Lehigh, Junior
12. Thomas Scotton, North Carolina, Senior
13. Jedd Moore, Virginia, Sophomore
14. Zach Toal, Missouri, Freshman
15. Matt Epperly, Virginia Tech, Senior
16. Donnie Jones, West Virginia, Senior
17. John Martin Cannon, Buffalo, Junior
18. Dallas Bailey, Oklahoma State, Freshman
19. Aaron Janssen, Iowa, Senior
20. Andrew Sorenson, Iowa State, Senior

174
1. Mack Lewnes, Cornell, Senior
2. Chris Henrich, Virginia, Senior
3. Jordan Blanton, Illinois, Junior
4. Ben Bennett, Central Michigan, Sophomore
5. Jon Reader, Iowa State, Senior
6. Nick Amuchastegui, Stanford, Junior
7. Scott Giffin, Penn, Senior
8. Tyler Caldwell, Oklahoma, Sophomore
9. Scott Glasser, Minnesota, Senior
10. Colby Covington, Oregon State, Senior
11. Mike Letts, Maryland, Senior
12. Luke Manuel, Purdue, Senior
13. Ed Ruth, Penn State, Freshman
14. Dorian Henderson, Missouri, Junior
15. Ryan Patrovich, Hofstra, Junior
16. Justin Zeerip, Michigan, Junior
17. Ben Jordan, Wisconsin, Sophomore
18. Ethen Lofthouse, Iowa, Freshman
19. Alex Caruso, Rutgers, Senior
20. Nick Purdue, Ohio, Junior

184
1. Kirk Smith, Boise State, Senior
2. Joe LeBlanc, Wyoming, Junior
3. Quentin Wright, Penn State, Sophomore
4. Chris Honeycutt, Edinboro, Junior
5. Chris Perry, Oklahoma State, Freshman
6. Steve Bosak, Cornell, Sophomore
7. A.J. Kissel, Purdue, Junior
8. Josh Ihnen, Nebraska, Sophomore
9. Grant Gambrell, Iowa, Sophomore
10. Austin Trotman, Appalachian State, Junior
11. Tommy Spellman, Virginia Tech, Senior
12. Travis Rutt, Wisconsin, Junior
13. Bagna Tovvujav, George Mason, Junior
14. Luke Rebertus, Navy, Junior
15. Robert Hamlin, Lehigh, Sophomore
16. Jimmy Hamel, Buffalo, Senior
17. Andrew Saunders, UNC Greensboro, Senior
18. Nate Schiedel, Binghamton, Sophomore
19. Jason McCroskey, Chattanooga, Sophomore
20. Eric Cameron, Indiana, Senior

197
1. Cam Simaz, Cornell, Junior
2. Trevor Brandvold, Wisconsin, Senior
3. Dustin Kilgore, Kent State, Junior
4. Clayton Foster, Oklahoma State, Senior
5. Anthony Biondo, Michigan, Senior
6. Sonny Yohn, Minnesota, Junior
7. Cayle Byers, George Mason, Junior
8. Brent Haynes, Missouri, Sophomore
9. Logan Brown, Purdue, Senior
10. Jerome Ward, Iowa State, Junior
11. Zack Giesen, Stanford, Senior
12. Zac Thomusseit, Pitt, Junior
13. Luke Lofthouse, Iowa, Senior
14. Cody Mangrum, Ohio State, Sophomore
15. Micah Burak, Penn, Sophomore
16. Erik Schuth, Ohio, Senior
17. Mike Salopek, Virginia, Sophomore
18. Riley Orozco, Cal State Bakersfield, Senior
19. Matt Powless, Indiana, Junior
20. Daniel Mitchell, American, Sophomore

285
1. Zach Rey, Lehigh, Junior
2. Jarod Trice, Central Michigan, Junior
3. Dom Bradley, Missouri, Junior
4. Alan Gelogaev, Oklahoma State, Junior
5. Ben Berhow, Minnesota, Senior
6. D.J. Russo, Rutgers, Senior
7. Tucker Lane, Nebraska, Junior
8. Ryan Flores, American, Junior
9. Cameron Wade, Penn State, Junior
10. Nathan Fernandez, Oklahoma, Senior
11. Ryan Tomei, Pittsburgh, Senior
12. David Marone, Virginia Tech, Junior
13. Clayton Jack, Oregon State, Junior
14. Brendan Barlow, Kent State, Sophomore
15. Ricky Alcala, Indiana, Senior
16. Eric Bugenhagen, Wisconsin, Senior
17. Kurt Klimek, Cal State Fullerton, Senior
18. Christian Brantley, Northern Iowa, Junior
19. Blake Rasing, Iowa, Junior
20. Atticus Disney, Cal Poly, Sophomore

Bolded wrestlers are in Western Wrestling Conference

SDbison
10-28-2010, 07:40 PM
Where are the Bison wrestlers?

roadwarrior
10-28-2010, 07:44 PM
Where are the Bison wrestlers?

Practicing?

onbison09
10-29-2010, 02:25 AM
Where are the Bison wrestlers?

I've been dissapointed with our program. No reason we can't be sniffing the top 25ish area and having some ranked wrestlers with an occassional All-American chance. We have a couple seniors that could make some noise. We have a bunch of freshman too. We're pretty young. Soldberg could be pretty salty too.

BisoninNWMN
10-30-2010, 02:31 PM
I've been dissapointed with our program. No reason we can't be sniffing the top 25ish area and having some ranked wrestlers with an occassional All-American chance. We have a couple seniors that could make some noise. We have a bunch of freshman too. We're pretty young. Soldberg could be pretty salty too.


I have mentioned this before but the wrestling program IMO is the biggest disapointment of any sport at NDSU. We are perennially a "young/rebuilding" team.

09, you are right, we should have multiple guys in the top 25.....geeez. Not even a sniff for any of our guys.

Looking at our rosters over the years, we always have many underclassmen come in but when they get to be seniors, they are not there.

I'm sure someone will respond saying it is tough to compete against the Big 10/Big 12........Well, that is bull**it, IMO. Look who is #1 this year.....Cornell.

Look at some of the schools that have guys ranked: Cornell, Binghampton, Drexel, Princeton, Hofstra, Lehigh, George Mason, Old Dominion, Buffalo, Chattanoga, Utah Valley, Virginia Tech, Bucknell, Edinboro, N Colorado, Wyoming, UNI.........schools not from the 2 wrestling powerhouse conferences. Why don't the Bison have at least ONE guy in the top 25?????

The Bison should be a top 25 team every year. Not a NC competitor but we should be able to produce at least an All-American every few years and at least not get beat by DIII Augsburg.

Are those expectations too high for Bucky and this program??

onbison09
10-30-2010, 06:21 PM
I have mentioned this before but the wrestling program IMO is the biggest disapointment of any sport at NDSU. We are perennially a "young/rebuilding" team.

09, you are right, we should have multiple guys in the top 25.....geeez. Not even a sniff for any of our guys.

Looking at our rosters over the years, we always have many underclassmen come in but when they get to be seniors, they are not there.

I'm sure someone will respond saying it is tough to compete against the Big 10/Big 12........Well, that is bull**it, IMO. Look who is #1 this year.....Cornell.

Look at some of the schools that have guys ranked: Cornell, Binghampton, Drexel, Princeton, Hofstra, Lehigh, George Mason, Old Dominion, Buffalo, Chattanoga, Utah Valley, Virginia Tech, Bucknell, Edinboro, N Colorado, Wyoming, UNI.........schools not from the 2 wrestling powerhouse conferences. Why don't the Bison have at least ONE guy in the top 25?????

The Bison should be a top 25 team every year. Not a NC competitor but we should be able to produce at least an All-American every few years and at least not get beat by DIII Augsburg.

Are those expectations too high for Bucky and this program??

If they are, it's time to go IMO :hide:. But I don't think they are. And it seems like every year we're rebuilding and when they finally get to the senior year they don't do much. We'll see I guess.

BisoninNWMN
10-31-2010, 04:35 PM
This is our roster:

Freshman: 10
RFR: 5
Sophs: 4
Juniors: 3
Seniors: 4


7 juniors and seniors this year........seems like this has been the trend since we have transistioned to DI.

Man, you would think with our rich wrestling tradition that there would be juniors and seniors dominating the weight classes....not fresh and rfr every year.

Must be recruiting the wrong kind of kid......:smh: :smh:

Seems to me that this year is going to play out just like the last 5-6 years......."reloading for next year"...."trying to recruit for DI"......."hoping the young guys come around".......

IMO, the time for excuses is over for the wrestling program......get it done!

56BISON73
10-31-2010, 04:54 PM
This is our roster:

Freshman: 10
RFR: 5
Sophs: 4
Juniors: 3
Seniors: 4


7 juniors and seniors this year........seems like this has been the trend since we have transistioned to DI.

Man, you would think with our rich wrestling tradition that there would be juniors and seniors dominating the weight classes....not fresh and rfr every year.

Must be recruiting the wrong kind of kid......:smh: :smh:

Seems to me that this year is going to play out just like the last 5-6 years......."reloading for next year"...."trying to recruit for DI"......."hoping the young guys come around".......

IMO, the time for excuses is over for the wrestling program......get it done!

That was a long time ago. You cant rely on that now.

BisoninNWMN
10-31-2010, 05:12 PM
PL....you're right but the wrestling program has still been the most underachieving in the AD.

For example look at last year when Oregon State came to Fargo ranked 21. They steamrolled us 42-0. A team just inside the top 25 and we couldn't even compete....at home even. Our win last year against #6 Boise State was against a lot of their reserves....their complete starting line-up would have rolled us up.

MN/Iowa, even ND has good wrestling and not all of the top ones can go to the Gophers/Iowa/Iowa State or Wisc....

Not a lot of BVers comment on wrestling but wrestling has the potential to be one of the best programs in the AD but have totally underachieved, IMO.

roadwarrior
10-31-2010, 07:50 PM
That was a long time ago. You cant rely on that now.

Division II national championships in 1988, 1998, 2000 and 2001.

That wasn't exactly a "long" time ago.

coldspot
10-31-2010, 08:07 PM
That was a long time ago. You cant rely on that now.

a lot less long ago than the football championships, but people seem to be hanging onto that tradition still.

56BISON73
10-31-2010, 08:12 PM
a lot less long ago than the football championships, but people seem to be hanging onto that tradition still.

I have posed this question before with no response---Whaqt happened to the wrestling team? What was the catalyst for the down fall? Reduction in schollies? What?

When I was in school going to see the wrestling team was a big deal.

56BISON73
10-31-2010, 08:15 PM
Division II national championships in 1988, 1998, 2000 and 2001.

That wasn't exactly a "long" time ago.

Thanks road I guess I should have done some research. I assumed because FB hadnt done much I assumed wrestlings misfotunes went back a ways as well. me cupla

56BISON73
10-31-2010, 08:21 PM
PL....you're right but the wrestling program has still been the most underachieving in the AD.

For example look at last year when Oregon State came to Fargo ranked 21. They steamrolled us 42-0. A team just inside the top 25 and we couldn't even compete....at home even. Our win last year against #6 Boise State was against a lot of their reserves....their complete starting line-up would have rolled us up.

MN/Iowa, even ND has good wrestling and not all of the top ones can go to the Gophers/Iowa/Iowa State or Wisc....

Not a lot of BVers comment on wrestling but wrestling has the potential to be one of the best programs in the AD but have totally underachieved, IMO.

BTW the honey this year is really good. Wonder what the difference is between last year and this year?

BisoninNWMN
10-31-2010, 08:34 PM
BTW the honey this year is really good. Wonder what the difference is between last year and this year?


Should be the same for the most part. Same floral sources: alfalfa, sweet clover and basswood.

The spun honey could have honeys from other countries.....the other bottled honey is right from the extractor...all local.

You passed me on the interstate last sunday in Omaha around noon. I saw your vehicle ( I think it was )...Arkansas plate with Bison TM stickers on it...I had the flat-bed tonner with honey barrels on it....I honked but you went by me pretty fast.

clenz
11-01-2010, 01:35 AM
I think the new coach at UNI, and the attitude he has brought with him (the "Hawkeye" attitude) will get UNI back to the top of the WWC this year.

56BISON73
11-01-2010, 01:46 AM
Should be the same for the most part. Same floral sources: alfalfa, sweet clover and basswood.

The spun honey could have honeys from other countries.....the other bottled honey is right from the extractor...all local.

You passed me on the interstate last sunday in Omaha around noon. I saw your vehicle ( I think it was )...Arkansas plate with Bison TM stickers on it...I had the flat-bed tonner with honey barrels on it....I honked but you went by me pretty fast.

That was you. I looked at the truck and thought those were some big barrels on there. I heard a honk but couldnt figure out who would be honking at me as I was moving right along as not to impede traffic.:D

runtheoption
11-05-2010, 02:25 PM
I have posed this question before with no response---Whaqt happened to the wrestling team? What was the catalyst for the down fall? Reduction in schollies? What?

When I was in school going to see the wrestling team was a big deal.

Agree with everyone on here saying that wrestling has been the biggest disappointment. I truly expected wrestling to transition quickly and compete/beat the Iowa schools, Nebraska and Minnesota the last 2-3 years. Something has happened along the way.

Disclaimer: I grew up on basketball, and I am more of a basketball fan than wrestling, but for some reason I have been to way more NDSU wrestling matches than BB games. So my knowledge of all things wrestling is limited.

roadwarrior
11-05-2010, 02:28 PM
Wrestling only had the 2 year transition period to full D-I status, not the five years that most of the other sports had.

Bison55
11-05-2010, 03:54 PM
I have also been wondering what happened to the wrestling program. I have read about recruits coming in that were multiple year state champs, undefeated in last 10 years, etc..etc....then they come to NDSU and you never hear about them again.

lakesbison
11-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Wrestling only had the 2 year transition period to full D-I status, not the five years that most of the other sports had.
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could of football gotten that tag instead of wrestling? I sure wish taht was the case, and ps.- quite hijacking this thread with honey, are you serious?

roadwarrior
11-05-2010, 05:24 PM
Wrestling only had the 2 year transition period to full D-I status, not the five years that most of the other sports had.
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could of football gotten that tag instead of wrestling? I sure wish taht was the case, and ps.- quite hijacking this thread with honey, are you serious?

No, the major sports could not have gotten the 2 yr transition period.

Tatanka
11-05-2010, 05:55 PM
No, the major sports could not have gotten the 2 yr transition period.

Which is why teh hockies were able to go D-I at UND. :bow:

onbison09
11-05-2010, 07:40 PM
I have posed this question before with no response---Whaqt happened to the wrestling team? What was the catalyst for the down fall? Reduction in schollies? What?

When I was in school going to see the wrestling team was a big deal.
DISCLAIMER: THERE'S PEOPLE ON HERE WHO KNOW WAY MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAN ME
I think D1's a completely different beast. Did Bucky and crew underestimate the move? He's had some interviews where it sounded like he admitted as much without actually saying it. No reduction in schollies I don't think. I think maybe an underestimation of what it will take is the biggest issue. Hopefully Roger Kish will help with that. Also there's no way in hell we're going to consistently compete with the Iowa's, Nebraska's, and Minnesota's for a long ass time. Flame away but it's reality. But it can be done, see Boise State.

BisoninNWMN
11-07-2010, 01:14 AM
DISCLAIMER: THERE'S PEOPLE ON HERE WHO KNOW WAY MORE ABOUT THE PROGRAM THAN ME
I think D1's a completely different beast. Did Bucky and crew underestimate the move? He's had some interviews where it sounded like he admitted as much without actually saying it. No reduction in schollies I don't think. I think maybe an underestimation of what it will take is the biggest issue. Hopefully Roger Kish will help with that. Also there's no way in hell we're going to consistently compete with the Iowa's, Nebraska's, and Minnesota's for a long ass time. Flame away but it's reality. But it can be done, see Boise State.


True, not as a full team but we should have individuals that make All-American every 2-3 yrs. But there are always teams that compete for the top-10 that come from other (not Big 10 or 12 schools)...like Central Michigan-Edinboro-Lehigh-Cal Poly-Cornell. Every year when I watch the NCs on ESPN, there are wrestlers winning the NCs from "smaller" schools. IMO, the Bison can be one of those teams that should be a top 25 team every yr with a very good team making a run at the top 10 every so often. Not every blue-chipper can go to Minny-OK State-Iowa-Iowa State.....Bison should be able to get 1 or 2 of them....esp when we host the Junior Nationals/Cadet tournies every summer.

Look at Scott Glasser at Minny. He was a great wrestler at Bismarck High and went to the Gophs......:smh: :smh: If he would have come to the Bison, he would have been a 4 time WWC champ and 4 time NCAA qualifier. But he went to one of the best programs in college wrestling....cannot blame him....I guess.

BisoninNWMN
11-17-2010, 10:24 PM
We have 1 guy each at HWT and 197????????

WTF.....What is Bucky going to do if they get hurt??? forfeit like we did at 133 last year......

Wrestling has something like (9.9 ??) schollies to give out. You would think there would be more than 1 guy at each weight class. Gophers have 4 HWTs and 5 guys at 197......and that is with the same # of schollies as the Bison.

Someone on BV must be in the "know" or know of someone that can answer these questions.....

Geez...I love wrestling and go to some matches but if the Bison cannot field a competitive team then they might as well drop the program and use the schollies somewhere else.

For an example: Bison Open

Gophers do not send all of their starters....mostly guys that are redshirting or ones that will not make the #1 position. They win 9 of 10 weight classes....which is what they do most years. You would think that our junior/seniors would physically dominate true frsh and Rfr....but they get beat. That is when we have seniors and juniors......

I have been critical of Bucky's program on here but where does the buck stop? I the papers the last 5 yrs, he keeps saying it was an "eye-opener" on DI and recruiting. The W Fargo kid (Schiller), ranked #4 in the country is now a Gopher.....you would have thought that the Bison could have gotten him. And what about the W Fargo kid (Lehman).....I thought he was going to the Gophers but do not see him on their roster????? Those 2 were top 5 in the country at their weight classes.

All I'm saying is that some great wrestlers are here locally or regionally and we always miss them to the Gophers......Glasser-Lang (Bismarck) Mellmer brothers (Dickinson).

We'll see how this year turns out but I have a suspicion that it is going to be another "down" year like the others in our short D1 history. And I am not "buying" the "It takes time to get the program up to speed" theory. That is bull**it. There have been great wrestlers in state and in out-state MN that would have been great fits here but went to the Gophers.

Another example is Travis Lang. He was one of the best #125 lbers in the nation and we lose him to the Gophers. He starts as a true freshman then gets beat out by Sanders (I think) then transfers to D3 Augsburg. Why didn't we try to get him?.....or maybe we did....who knows. Not all recruits are going to be the starters and some will transfer....maybe we could snag a few of them.....even though they would have to sit out a year. It just seems like the wrestling program has turned the page into mediocrity or non-competitiveness.

FWIW.... D3 Augsburg would probably beat us this year and probably D2 UNO....

Sorry....rant done.....

onbison09
11-18-2010, 12:58 AM
We have 1 guy each at HWT and 197????????

WTF.....What is Bucky going to do if they get hurt??? forfeit like we did at 133 last year......

Wrestling has something like (9.9 ??) schollies to give out. You would think there would be more than 1 guy at each weight class. Gophers have 4 HWTs and 5 guys at 197......and that is with the same # of schollies as the Bison.

Someone on BV must be in the "know" or know of someone that can answer these questions.....

Geez...I love wrestling and go to some matches but if the Bison cannot field a competitive team then they might as well drop the program and use the schollies somewhere else.

For an example: Bison Open

Gophers do not send all of their starters....mostly guys that are redshirting or ones that will not make the #1 position. They win 9 of 10 weight classes....which is what they do most years. You would think that our junior/seniors would physically dominate true frsh and Rfr....but they get beat. That is when we have seniors and juniors......

I have been critical of Bucky's program on here but where does the buck stop? I the papers the last 5 yrs, he keeps saying it was an "eye-opener" on DI and recruiting. The W Fargo kid (Schiller), ranked #4 in the country is now a Gopher.....you would have thought that the Bison could have gotten him. And what about the W Fargo kid (Lehman).....I thought he was going to the Gophers but do not see him on their roster????? Those 2 were top 5 in the country at their weight classes.

All I'm saying is that some great wrestlers are here locally or regionally and we always miss them to the Gophers......Glasser-Lang (Bismarck) Mellmer brothers (Dickinson).

We'll see how this year turns out but I have a suspicion that it is going to be another "down" year like the others in our short D1 history. And I am not "buying" the "It takes time to get the program up to speed" theory. That is bull**it. There have been great wrestlers in state and in out-state MN that would have been great fits here but went to the Gophers.

Another example is Travis Lang. He was one of the best #125 lbers in the nation and we lose him to the Gophers. He starts as a true freshman then gets beat out by Sanders (I think) then transfers to D3 Augsburg. Why didn't we try to get him?.....or maybe we did....who knows. Not all recruits are going to be the starters and some will transfer....maybe we could snag a few of them.....even though they would have to sit out a year. It just seems like the wrestling program has turned the page into mediocrity or non-competitiveness.

FWIW.... D3 Augsburg would probably beat us this year and probably D2 UNO....

Sorry....rant done.....
Thanks so much for your insight and that was a hell of a post.

BisoninNWMN
11-18-2010, 01:31 AM
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Hey 09, you must keep up with the wrestling program somewhat...here is something for ya.....

Apple Valley,MN is the best HS wrestling program in the country. They have won like 18 championships in the last 25 yrs or so.

They just had 5 kids sign letters of intent: 2 Gophers, 2 Badgers and one kid is going to Ohio U. Did our coaching staff even make a run at any of these guys? IMO, the 3 that didn't go to the Gophs, could have been ones that the Bison could have recruited. One kid chose Wis because he wants to start in 12 so he can train for the Olympics in London....so maybe he was not an option.

My point in all of these posts is that the wrestling coaches are not getting it done....period!!!!

There are outstanding kids in the area that do not come here. The Gophers cherry-pick all the best ones and many of them languish in the depth chart down at Minny. You would think our coaches would say to some of these blue-chippers....."Come to NDSU and you will be the #1 guy", not be down on the depth chart trying to pass 3-4 other blue-chippers.

One draw back in the WWC is that we only get one AQ from each weight class....where the Big 10 gets 6 (I think) in each weight class......HUGE advantage.

Look....Cornell is ranked #1 preseason. They are not from the Big 10/12....and not a traditional wrestling powerhouse. IMO, the Bison should have had a All-American by now. I thought Gabe Mooney from Badger-GB-MR would have been an AA.....heck, he was a junior national champion. He didn't even get to nationals.....:confused: :confused: :confused:

LOL....Apple Valley's HS team could probably beat us this year.....and I'm serious about that.....

onbison09
11-18-2010, 07:41 PM
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Hey 09, you must keep up with the wrestling program somewhat...here is something for ya.....

Apple Valley,MN is the best HS wrestling program in the country. They have won like 18 championships in the last 25 yrs or so.

They just had 5 kids sign letters of intent: 2 Gophers, 2 Badgers and one kid is going to Ohio U. Did our coaching staff even make a run at any of these guys? IMO, the 3 that didn't go to the Gophs, could have been ones that the Bison could have recruited. One kid chose Wis because he wants to start in 12 so he can train for the Olympics in London....so maybe he was not an option.

My point in all of these posts is that the wrestling coaches are not getting it done....period!!!!

There are outstanding kids in the area that do not come here. The Gophers cherry-pick all the best ones and many of them languish in the depth chart down at Minny. You would think our coaches would say to some of these blue-chippers....."Come to NDSU and you will be the #1 guy", not be down on the depth chart trying to pass 3-4 other blue-chippers.

One draw back in the WWC is that we only get one AQ from each weight class....where the Big 10 gets 6 (I think) in each weight class......HUGE advantage.

Look....Cornell is ranked #1 preseason. They are not from the Big 10/12....and not a traditional wrestling powerhouse. IMO, the Bison should have had a All-American by now. I thought Gabe Mooney from Badger-GB-MR would have been an AA.....heck, he was a junior national champion. He didn't even get to nationals.....:confused: :confused: :confused:

LOL....Apple Valley's HS team could probably beat us this year.....and I'm serious about that.....

You know more about the program than I do for sure I'm guessing. I think the AQ thing is a huge deal. But there's no reason we can't compete for kids in Minnesota and the surrounding areas. We already get a lot of kids from Minnesota anyways. Maybe they're not the right kids :confused:. Cornell's wrestling program has been a solid for awhile now so it's not like the ranking came out of nowhere.

clenz
11-18-2010, 09:27 PM
This kind of affects NDSU's wrestling program so I thought I'd share it.

UNI has applied to, or at least has contacted, the B12 for membership as a wrestling affiliate.

onbison09
11-18-2010, 10:13 PM
This kind of affects NDSU's wrestling program so I thought I'd share it.

UNI has applied to, or at least has contacted, the B12 for membership as a wrestling affiliate.

S***

(10 char)

BisoninNWMN
11-20-2010, 12:27 PM
With Nebraska going to the Big 10 it makes sense....the Big 12 will only have 4 wrestling schools: OK -- OK State -- Missouri -- Iowa State.

Bucky or GT should give them a call to inquire about wrestling affiliation. Even if it is NO, it wouldn't hurt to try.

GO BISON

BisBison
11-23-2010, 02:24 AM
With Nebraska going to the Big 10 it makes sense....the Big 12 will only have 4 wrestling schools: OK -- OK State -- Missouri -- Iowa State.

Bucky or GT should give them a call to inquire about wrestling affiliation. Even if it is NO, it wouldn't hurt to try.

GO BISON

I think the whole WWC should contact the big 12 about joining up at least in a scheduling alliance. Wouldn't that make 11 teams?

onbison09
11-23-2010, 03:12 AM
With Nebraska going to the Big 10 it makes sense....the Big 12 will only have 4 wrestling schools: OK -- OK State -- Missouri -- Iowa State.

Bucky or GT should give them a call to inquire about wrestling affiliation. Even if it is NO, it wouldn't hurt to try.

GO BISON

Would you say yes if you're the big 12? :hide:

BisoninNWMN
11-23-2010, 11:29 AM
Would you say yes if you're the big 12? :hide:

Probably not.

But it would be a geographic fit. Plus they could pad their team records....:nod:

Bryan
11-28-2010, 09:26 PM
to Bison in NWMN

first, Tyler Lehman left school to train with the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. Unknown if he will ever wrestle in college.

They just had 5 kids sign letters of intent: 2 Gophers, 2 Badgers and one kid is going to Ohio U. Did our coaching staff even make a run at any of these guys? IMO, the 3 that didn't go to the Gophs, could have been ones that the Bison could have recruited. One kid chose Wis because he wants to start in 12 so he can train for the Olympics in London....so maybe he was not an option.

I understand what you we're trying to say but "that kid" was Destin McCauley, the #1 ranked kid regardless of class in the country and the other one, Kelliher, had a brother already on the Wisc team.

BisoninNWMN
12-02-2010, 12:14 AM
to Bison in NWMN

first, Tyler Lehman left school to train with the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. Unknown if he will ever wrestle in college.

They just had 5 kids sign letters of intent: 2 Gophers, 2 Badgers and one kid is going to Ohio U. Did our coaching staff even make a run at any of these guys? IMO, the 3 that didn't go to the Gophs, could have been ones that the Bison could have recruited. One kid chose Wis because he wants to start in 12 so he can train for the Olympics in London....so maybe he was not an option.

I understand what you we're trying to say but "that kid" was Destin McCauley, the #1 ranked kid regardless of class in the country and the other one, Kelliher, had a brother already on the Wisc team.


Apple Valley has 7 kids ranked #1 in 3A MN wrestling right now. I did not look to see how many are seniors but IMO, the Bison should be trying to recruit some of those kids. Not all of them can go to the Gophers/Big 10.....

backflip
12-02-2010, 02:53 PM
Apple Valley has 7 kids ranked #1 in 3A MN wrestling right now. I did not look to see how many are seniors but IMO, the Bison should be trying to recruit some of those kids. Not all of them can go to the Gophers/Big 10.....

Why only Apple Valley wrestlers? Why not go after any #1 senior regardless of school?

Some good candidates w/current weights:
Mike Fuenffinger - 119
Matt Nelson - 135
Ryan Swenson- 145
Dan Dick - 160
Bronson Steuber - 135
Josh Willaert - 171
Parker Betts - 285

BisoninNWMN
12-03-2010, 03:23 PM
Why only Apple Valley wrestlers? Why not go after any #1 senior regardless of school?

Some good candidates w/current weights:
Mike Fuenffinger - 119
Matt Nelson - 135
Ryan Swenson- 145
Dan Dick - 160
Bronson Steuber - 135
Josh Willaert - 171
Parker Betts - 285

Good point, I agree 100%.

just gave AV as an example....they are a wrestling machine down there.

sambini
12-09-2010, 08:52 AM
Tyler Lehman left the Gophs?

coldspot
12-09-2010, 01:24 PM
Tyler Lehman left the Gophs?

not on their roster anymore.

sambini
12-16-2010, 05:52 AM
He is at the Olympic training center in Colorado Springs.

onbison09
12-16-2010, 10:28 PM
FARGO, N.D. - The North Dakota State wrestling team will travel back to Nevada for the Reno Tournament of Champions on Sunday, Dec. 19. Action begins at 9 a.m. Pacific Time with finals scheduled for 6:30 p.m. The Bison will be up against four ranked teams - No. 2 Oklahoma State, No. 6 Boise State, No. 14 Oregon State and No. 24 Arizona State - and 26 other teams, including Western Wrestling Conference foes South Dakota State, Northern Colorado and Wyoming.

Salminen ranked in two polls
Senior Vince Salminen has gotten off to a strong start this season with an 18-3 record and is ranked in two polls at 157 pounds. He is No. 24 in the D1 College Wrestling poll and No. 26 in the WrestlingReport.com rankings. Salminen is only four wins away from matching his 2009-10 win total of 22. The Billings, Mont. native has also tallied six pins so far this season, one away from his season high.
http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&ATCLID=205056634

sambini
12-17-2010, 04:04 AM
Good luck at the Reno tourney Bison++

BisoninNWMN
12-17-2010, 12:12 PM
He is at the Olympic training center in Colorado Springs.


WOW.....that is very impressive. Wonder if he is still committed to the UM or can he wrestle somewhere else when he is done??

Would be awesome to see him as a Bison!!