Conference Stats

[Wally]

I was looking at the MVFC Press Release and looking at the stats. These are conference game stats only. A few things stuck out like 3rd down conversions for us and our opponents. OUCH! Last in total offense and scoring offense. 2nd to last in total defense, but 3rd in scoring defense. #1 in Punting. I thought we would be a bit higher in a lot of the categories. FYI, just found out 10,000 char is the limit per post




2010 Missouri Valley Football Conference
Team Statistics thru games of Oct. 9
(Conference games)
SCORING OFFENSE G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Pts Avg/G
1. Missouri State 2 10 2 10 0 0 0 76 38.0
2. Southern Illinois 3 15 2 15 0 0 0 111 37.0
3. Indiana State 2 9 1 7 0 0 1 66 33.0
4. Western Illinois 3 14 0 11 1 0 0 97 32.3
5. Youngstown State 3 10 5 8 1 0 0 85 28.3
6. Illinois State 4 13 6 11 1 0 0 109 27.2
7. Northern Iowa 3 9 5 9 0 0 0 78 26.0
8. South Dakota State 3 9 0 5 1 0 0 61 20.3
9. North Dakota State 3 7 4 5 0 0 0 59 19.7

SCORING DEFENSE G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Pts Avg/G
1. Western Illinois 3 7 3 5 0 0 0 56 18.7
2. Northern Iowa 3 9 2 8 0 0 0 68 22.7
3. North Dakota State 3 8 6 7 0 0 0 73 24.3
4. South Dakota State 3 10 2 9 1 0 0 77 25.7
5. Southern Illinois 3 11 3 11 0 0 0 86 28.7
6. Indiana State 2 9 1 7 0 0 0 64 32.0
7. Youngstown State 3 14 0 13 0 0 0 97 32.3
8. Missouri State 2 8 4 5 2 0 0 69 34.5
9. Illinois State 4 20 4 16 1 0 1 152 38.0

TOTAL OFFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. Western Illinois 3 772 571 234 1343 5.7 14 447.7
2. Northern Iowa 3 863 424 193 1287 6.7 9 429.0
3. Missouri State 2 343 485 155 828 5.3 8 414.0
4. Southern Illinois 3 492 665 209 1157 5.5 12 385.7
5. South Dakota State 3 456 681 200 1137 5.7 9 379.0
6. Youngstown State 3 621 511 219 1132 5.2 10 377.3
7. Indiana State 2 416 336 123 752 6.1 9 376.0
8. Illinois State 4 496 971 279 1467 5.3 12 366.8
9. North Dakota State 3 339 697 179 1036 5.8 7 345.3

TOTAL DEFENSE G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. Western Illinois 3 457 497 188 954 5.1 7 318.0
2. Southern Illinois 3 600 381 190 981 5.2 10 327.0
3. Northern Iowa 3 200 806 192 1006 5.2 8 335.3
4. Indiana State 2 471 278 144 749 5.2 9 374.5
5. Youngstown State 3 392 767 196 1159 5.9 11 386.3
6. South Dakota State 3 633 663 231 1296 5.6 10 432.0
7. Missouri State 2 316 556 164 872 5.3 8 436.0
8. North Dakota State 3 732 599 196 1331 6.8 8 443.7
9. Illinois State 4 997 794 290 1791 6.2 19 447.8

RUSHING OFFENSE G Att. Yards Avg/A Long TD Avg/G
1. Northern Iowa 3 131 863 6.6 65 6 287.7
2. Western Illinois 3 153 772 5.0 36 8 257.3
3. Indiana State 2 83 416 5.0 62 5 208.0
4. Youngstown State 3 140 621 4.4 71 6 207.0
5. Missouri State 2 84 343 4.1 56 5 171.5
6. Southern Illinois 3 124 492 4.0 33 6 164.0
7. South Dakota State 3 92 456 5.0 47 5 152.0
8. Illinois State 4 143 496 3.5 33 5 124.0
9. North Dakota State 3 97 339 3.5 56 4 113.0

RUSHING DEFENSE G Att. Yards Avg/A Long TD Avg/G
1. Northern Iowa 3 91 200 2.2 47 3 66.7
2. Youngstown State 3 95 392 4.1 56 4 130.7
3. Western Illinois 3 116 457 3.9 42 6 152.3
4. Missouri State 2 80 316 4.0 71 7 158.0
5. Southern Illinois 3 123 600 4.9 46 4 200.0
6. South Dakota State 3 137 633 4.6 65 3 211.0
7. Indiana State 2 106 471 4.4 32 6 235.5
8. North Dakota State 3 121 732 6.0 54 5 244.0
9. Illinois State 4 178 997 5.6 62 12 249.2

PASS OFFENSE G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yds Avg/A TD Avg/G
1. Illinois State 4 81-136-4 59.6 971 7.1 7 242.8
2. Missouri State 2 40-71-2 56.3 485 6.8 3 242.5
3. North Dakota State 3 46-82-3 56.1 697 8.5 3 232.3
4. South Dakota State 3 64-108-5 59.3 681 6.3 4 227.0
5. Southern Illinois 3 54-85-5 63.5 665 7.8 6 221.7
6. Western Illinois 3 48-81-1 59.3 571 7.0 6 190.3
7. Youngstown State 3 44-79-2 55.7 511 6.5 4 170.3
8. Indiana State 2 23-40-1 57.5 336 8.4 4 168.0
9. Northern Iowa 3 31-62-5 50.0 424 6.8 3 141.3

PASS DEFENSE G Comp-Att-Int Pct. Yds Avg/A TD Avg/G
1. Southern Illinois 3 33-67-4 49.3 381 5.7 6 127.0
2. Indiana State 2 20-38-2 52.6 278 7.3 3 139.0
3. Western Illinois 3 36-72-1 50.0 497 6.9 1 165.7
4. Illinois State 4 66-112-6 58.9 794 7.1 7 198.5
5. North Dakota State 3 49-75-1 65.3 599 8.0 3 199.7
6. South Dakota State 3 59-94-1 62.8 663 7.1 7 221.0
7. Youngstown State 3 62-101-3 61.4 767 7.6 7 255.7
8. Northern Iowa 3 63-101-6 62.4 806 8.0 5 268.7
9. Missouri State 2 43-84-4 51.2 556 6.6 1 278.0

KICKOFF RETURNS G No. Yards TD Long Avg.
1. Illinois State 4 22 562 0 89 25.5
2. South Dakota State 3 14 330 0 41 23.6
3. Southern Illinois 3 13 306 0 44 23.5
4. Missouri State 2 10 217 0 54 21.7
5. North Dakota State 3 16 339 0 43 21.2
6. Western Illinois 3 9 171 0 37 19.0
7. Youngstown State 3 11 206 0 32 18.7
8. Indiana State 2 5 75 0 25 15.0
9. Northern Iowa 3 12 179 0 27 14.9

PUNT RETURN AVG G No. Yards TD Long Avg.
1. Southern Illinois 3 3 83 2 38 27.7
2. Youngstown State 3 3 66 0 51 22.0
3. Illinois State 4 4 54 1 28 13.5
4. South Dakota State 3 9 117 0 35 13.0
5. Missouri State 2 4 41 0 20 10.2
6. North Dakota State 3 5 41 0 19 8.2
7. Northern Iowa 3 6 33 0 14 5.5
8. Indiana State 2 1 4 0 4 4.0
9. Western Illinois 3 6 16 0 7 2.7

INTERCEPTIONS G No. Yards TD Long Avg.
1. Northern Iowa 3 6 8 0 4 1.3
2. Illinois State 4 6 40 0 16 6.7
3. Missouri State 2 4 127 1 47 31.8
4. Southern Illinois 3 4 41 1 36 10.2
5. Youngstown State 3 3 22 0 13 7.3
6. Indiana State 2 2 0 0 0 0.0
7. Western Illinois 3 1 23 0 23 23.0
8. North Dakota State 3 1 0 0 0 0.0
9. South Dakota State 3 1 10 0 10 10.0

PUNTING G No. Yards Avg/P Ret. Avg/R TB Net/P
1. North Dakota State 3 13 614 47.2 14 1.1 1 44.6
2. South Dakota State 3 12 494 41.2 30 2.5 1 37.0
3. Indiana State 2 11 394 35.8 7 0.6 1 33.4
4. Northern Iowa 3 7 312 44.6 83 11.9 0 32.7
5. Western Illinois 3 16 562 35.1 55 3.4 0 31.7
6. Illinois State 4 19 646 34.0 67 3.5 0 30.5
7. Missouri State 2 11 411 37.4 77 7.0 0 30.4
8. Youngstown State 3 11 427 38.8 81 7.4 1 29.6
9. Southern Illinois 3 8 206 25.8 41 5.1 0 20.6

KICKOFF COVERAGE G No. Yards Avg. Ret. TB NetAvg
1. North Dakota State 3 13 792 60.9 182 0 46.9
2. South Dakota State 3 12 705 58.8 147 2 43.2
3. Northern Iowa 3 17 1093 64.3 365 0 42.8
4. Southern Illinois 3 18 1075 59.7 278 3 40.9
5. Western Illinois 3 17 904 53.2 210 0 40.8
6. Youngstown State 3 17 1053 61.9 292 4 40.1
7. Illinois State 4 22 1265 57.5 400 2 37.5
8. Missouri State 2 12 701 58.4 238 1 36.9
9. Indiana State 2 11 648 58.9 273 0 34.1


FIRST DOWNS G Rush Pass Pen Total Avg/G
1. Illinois State 4 25 49 8 82 20.5
2. Western Illinois 3 43 24 5 72 24.0
3. South Dakota State 3 22 38 5 65 21.7
4. Southern Illinois 3 29 31 3 63 21.0
5. Youngstown State 3 32 24 6 62 20.7
6. Northern Iowa 3 38 19 2 59 19.7
7. North Dakota State 3 21 20 6 47 15.7
8. Missouri State 2 18 22 5 45 22.5
9. Indiana State 2 17 13 5 35 17.5

3RD-DOWN CONVERSIONS G Conv. Att. Pct.
1. Western Illinois 3 27 50 54.0
2. Youngstown State 3 21 44 47.7
3. Illinois State 4 28 61 45.9
4. Missouri State 2 14 32 43.8
5. South Dakota State 3 15 36 41.7
Southern Illinois 3 15 36 41.7
7. Northern Iowa 3 15 37 40.5
8. Indiana State 2 9 23 39.1
9. North Dakota State 3 11 37 29.7

OPP 3RD-DN CONVERT G Conv. Att. Pct.
1. Western Illinois 3 13 39 33.3
2. Missouri State 2 12 33 36.4
3. Youngstown State 3 13 34 38.2
4. Illinois State 4 20 51 39.2
5. South Dakota State 3 21 47 44.7
6. Northern Iowa 3 18 40 45.0
7. North Dakota State 3 21 41 51.2
8. Southern Illinois 3 20 39 51.3
9. Indiana State 2 17 32 53.1

PENALTIES G No. Yards Avg/G
1. Southern Illinois 3 15 151 50.3
2. North Dakota State 3 22 170 56.7
3. South Dakota State 3 21 198 66.0
Missouri State 2 16 132 66.0
5. Western Illinois 3 24 204 68.0
6. Northern Iowa 3 23 206 68.7
7. Indiana State 2 17 141 70.5
8. Illinois State 4 34 284 71.0
9. Youngstown State 3 22 225 75.0

TIME OF POSSESSION G Total possesion Avgerage/game
1. Youngstown State 3 100:45 33:35
2. Western Illinois 3 97:53 32:37
3. Northern Iowa 3 92:50 30:56
4. Southern Illinois 3 92:41 30:53
5. Missouri State 2 58:39 29:19
6. Illinois State 4 115:38 28:54
7. North Dakota State 3 85:51 28:37
8. Indiana State 2 56:27 28:13
9. South Dakota State 3 79:16 26:25

RED ZONE OFFENSE G Scores Pct. TDs (R-P) FGs TurnO
1. Indiana State 2 6-6 100.0 5 3-2 1-1 0
2. Youngstown State 3 11-12 91.7 8 5-3 3-3 1
Western Illinois 3 11-12 91.7 11 7-4 0-1 0
4. Southern Illinois 3 11-13 84.6 9 6-3 2-3 1
5. South Dakota State 3 9-12 75.0 9 5-4 0-2 1
6. Northern Iowa 3 11-15 73.3 6 5-1 5-7 1
7. Illinois State 4 8-12 66.7 6 4-2 2-3 3
8. Missouri State 2 5-8 62.5 3 2-1 2-4 0
9. North Dakota State 3 7-12 58.3 5 3-2 2-3 1

RED ZONE DEFENSE G Scores Pct. TDs (R-P) FGs TurnO
1. Youngstown State 3 5-10 50.0 5 2-3 0-3 0
2. Western Illinois 3 8-11 72.7 7 6-1 1-1 1
3. Indiana State 2 6-8 75.0 6 5-1 0-1 1
4. North Dakota State 3 11-14 78.6 7 5-2 4-5 2
5. South Dakota State 3 8-10 80.0 6 3-3 2-4 0
6. Illinois State 4 17-21 81.0 13 8-5 4-7 1
7. Southern Illinois 3 9-11 81.8 7 3-4 2-2 1
8. Missouri State 2 7-8 87.5 5 5-0 2-2 1
9. Northern Iowa 3 8-9 88.9 6 3-3 2-2 1

[Gully]

Well that sure doesn't make me feel any better. I can't believe we're 3rd in passing and last in rushing. Ouch on that last part.

[MinotBison]

Last in total offense and next to last in total defense. Ouch is right. ISU red isn't a whole lot better, though.

[TheBisonator]

1-2 in conference games. There you go.

Win more conference games and play better within the conference, and those stats will change.

[SDbison]

This is exactly why I have not posted for a while. Some of the kool-aid guzzlers at Bisonville just make me want to laugh. This 2010 Bison football team has a lot to prove. Giving up 3rd down conversions to your opponents at more than a 50% rate while only converting less than 30% of your own is quite piss poor. In fact, the 2010 Bison are lucky, yes lucky to be 4-2. How about last in total offense and last in red zone offense. At least we are #1 in punting because we get plenty of practice with that. Also second to last in total defense. This all seems to indicate there are some big issues with the home team.........
Finally last week the rushing game makes progress because Bohl and Vigen figure out you can't run up the gut all the time and there is an offensive rushing play called off-tackle..........Big runs like that will open up the passing game for most any QB.
Some of you are talking playoffs. Wow, just wow!

[Wally]

1-2 in conference games. There you go.

Win more conference games and play better within the conference, and those stats will change.

No doubt, still have 5 games to improve, but it sheds a little light on why we are 1-2 in the conference. I look to the 3rd down conversions stat for both offense and defense. If we extend a few more drives and stop a few more, many of these awful stats will improve greatly.

[TheBisonator]

This is exactly why I have not posted for a while. Some of the kool-aid guzzlers at Bisonville just make me want to laugh. This 2010 Bison football team has a lot to prove. Giving up 3rd down conversions to your opponents at more than a 50% rate while only converting less than 30% of your own is quite piss poor. In fact, the 2010 Bison are lucky, yes lucky to be 4-2. How about last in total offense and last in red zone offense. At least we are #1 in punting because we get plenty of practice with that. Also second to last in total defense. This all seems to indicate there are some big issues with the home team.........
Finally last week the rushing game makes progress because Bohl and Vigen figure out you can't run up the gut all the time and there is an offensive rushing play called off-tackle..........Big runs like that will open up the passing game for most any QB.
Some of you are talking playoffs. Wow, just wow!

What's wrong with talking playoffs?? We have five games left, and we are capable of winning all of them. We won't do that, but there's a better chance of this team finishing at 7-4 than you seem to personally think. We're 4-2, and you're acting like we're 1-5...

We've won 6 out of our last 9 games dating back to Halloween 2009. This team is better in reality than the kind of team you seem to think they are.

[NDSUstudent]

Well we are 9th in scoring defense for all of the FCS so we must be doing something right.

These MVFC stats are not really that meaningful considering the number of games played. I guess they do tell why we are 1-2 but I wouldn't take them too seriously yet.

[SDbison]

Well we are 9th in scoring defense for all of the FCS so we must be doing something right.

These MVFC stats are not really that meaningful considering the number of games played. I guess they do tell why we are 1-2 but I wouldn't take them too seriously yet.
3 games is a pretty good indicator............

[SDbison]

What's wrong with talking playoffs?? We have five games left, and we are capable of winning all of them. We won't do that, but there's a better chance of this team finishing at 7-4 than you seem to personally think. We're 4-2, and you're acting like we're 1-5...

We've won 6 out of our last 9 games dating back to Halloween 2009. This team is better in reality than the kind of team you seem to think they are.
So what top 4 MVFC conference teams have we beat during that run??????? Exactly...........

[TheBisonator]

So what top 4 MVFC conference teams have we beat during that run??????? Exactly...........

In the MVFC, the term "top 4" means NOTHING. It has been shown, especially this season, that in the conference, everybody has a good chance to beat everybody else. Indiana State is 3-3, fer crying out loud...

[NDSUstudent]

3 games is a pretty good indicator............

Not really, especially when you start comparing NDSU with other MVFC schools that have played vastly different schedules and some that have just two games under their belt. I wouldn't even bother with conference stats until the week leading up to the SIU game.

Our rushing offense is completely skewed by a -47 vs UNI. Since we have fixed the O-line and have been much more productive offensively on the whole.

[SDbison]

Not really, especially when you start comparing NDSU with other MVFC schools that have played vastly different schedules and some that have just two games under their belt. I wouldn't even bother with conference stats until the week leading up to the SIU game.

Our rushing offense is completely skewed by a -47 vs UNI. Since we have fixed the O-line and have been much more productive offensively on the whole.
-47 was well deserved for that game.......the Bison played like shat.
UNI is a perennial power in MVFC and NDSU is far from that. NDSU just has not done well against the better conference teams since joining the MVFC and Bohl has done crap with rivalry games. With stats like this I say its a long climb to the top from where the Bison currently are.......a young team with lots of injuries and the jury is still out on if Vigen is worth a crap.

[NDSUstudent]

-47 was well deserved for that game.......the Bison played like shat.
UNI is a perennial power in MVFC and NDSU is far from that. NDSU just has not done well against the better conference teams since joining the MVFC and Bohl has done crap with rivalry games. With stats like this I say its a long climb to the top from where the Bison currently are.......a young team with lots of injuries and the jury is still out on if Vigen is worth a crap.

It was very much deserved and since then we shuffled the O-line which has paid off big. Cornick and Turner had some huge blocks for us against YSU and really helped to open up the screen game. That is all I am saying, our Oline was messed up and now we have at least turned the corner in that area.

The jury is definitely still out on a lot of things about this team, but there is no way I am going to define this team by the three conference games they have played. I won't talk playoffs but I won't sit around acting like this is the 2008 or 2009 NDSU team. Which they definitely are not.

[lakesbison]

the PARTY BUS will not be picking up SD BISON on way to the 1st playoff in FCS history for NDSU. Someone remember this post.

[BraxtonT]

the PARTY BUS will not be picking up SD BISON on way to the 1st playoff in FCS history for NDSU. Someone remember this post.

Well, duh, the party bus wouldn't be heading down I-29 on the way to Missoula, Montana. SD, if it plays out that way, you can pick me up in Jamestown on the trip west on I-94. ...OR on a more positive note, how about we all just meet in north Fargo for a home game on November 27th.

Being a realist, though, there are five very important games ahead before the playoffs should be debated seriously.

[lakesbison]

T B. i hear ya.

Party Bus will be going ANYWHERE> and LAKES WILL TAILGAATE< THEY CANT STOP ME THERE!!

[mgbison]

We are 4-2, and have the highest national ranking in the conference, but people still find crap to complain about each week. Things aren't perfect, but people need to chill out. Let the season play out.

How is it being a kool-aid drinker, to be excited about the potential of this team? I would rather be a kool-aid drinker than a crab ass complaining about every little stat and play called. Life would be fricking miserable to sit and bitch as much as some people do on this board.

[HerdBot]

Misleading... the UNI game skewed all stats. We know we are better than that and if we played them today we could probably beat them. We're a completely different team.

Also we've played the tougher games already.

[Scooter1]

So, let me get this...

We are 6 games into the schedule and have....

1. a BCS win under our belts
2. went the first two games with the offense struggling noticably yet allowed 19 points total those two games.
3. Are one of only 2 MVC yet to give up 30 points in a game this season (SDSU is the other)
4. Sitting at #9 in scoring offense for all of FCS in spite of having a stuggling offense.
5. We just won at Youngstown without Matt Gratzek and Jensen.
6. Have yet to have an opponent score what they are averaging per game against other opponents. (actually an average of 10 points per game less)

....and some want to sit here and complain about how shitty our defense is? I know some like to look at the glass as half empty, but give me a flippin break. These are the same people who predicted another 4-7 or 5-6 year. You know, I think I could find about 114 teams in the FCS that would love to be giving up as many points as NDSU. I think I could find about another 120 FCS teams that would love to have a BCS win under their belt. To think that three games into an eight game conference schedule would be a good indicator of these teams is laughable. We have played 3 conference games, now quick, tell me two or three places in the MVC that are probably considerred the toughest to play at? I would say UNI, S Illinois and Youngstown St would be at the top of that list. We played 2 of those three games at venues that I have just mentioned.

You can learn just as much by comparing the scores of the Bison-Kansas and UNI-Iowa St scores. UNI got pumped by Iowa St 27-0 while we won at Kansas 6-3. I guess that means that (stats wise) we are 9 times better on defense than UNI? (Obviously not.) UNI played like shit against Iowa St and we played like shit against UNI. Stats mean nothing with such a small sample.

There are things we need to improve on, but to read some of the stuff on here....you would think that we were 2-4.

Oh well, carry on. My Koolaid rant is over. :hungry:

[stevdock]

3 games is a pretty good indicator............

No offense but 3 games is not a good indicator when you have one game (UNI) that skews the stats so badly. If you take that game out, which I know you can't, the stats are going to look very different. For example, when you put up a -40 rushing, that's going to skew the stats way too far from where they should be.

[unbison]

No offense but 3 games is not a good indicator when you have one game (UNI) that skews the stats so badly. If you take that game out, which I know you can't, the stats are going to look very different. For example, when you put up a -40 rushing, that's going to skew the stats way too far from where they should be.

Easy fix stevo......... don't put up -40 play consistently good football which bison can't do for an entire game under coach bohl

[westnodak93bison]

Easy fix stevo......... don't put up -40 play consistently good football which bison can't do for an entire game under coach bohl

I'd hate to see what you would be saying about Coach Farley or Stig if you were a UNI or SDSU fan. This league ain't the NCC and it is not probable that any team will dominate.

[unbison]

I'd hate to see what you would be saying about Coach Farley or Stig if you were a UNI or SDSU fan. This league ain't the NCC and it is not probable that any team will dominate.

not saying dominate.....saying consistency which even in the 2 10-1 years was not there.......so many come from behind wins would love 2 see the bison play a good game from beginning to end

[SDbison]

unbison, you can't reason with the retard kool-aid drinkers.
Just watch the games fans........this Bison team can't really stop a team on 3rd down when they need to or get a first down to finish off a team. One fluke pass play doesn't erase the fact that the 2010 team is very inconsistent.
I guess I expect more from the Bison due to the support they get from the fans, student and alumni. Best damn facilities in FCS. Best booster donations from Teammakers. Equal winning tradition compared to Youngstown and UNI.
I can understand this team is young and will make mistakes, but I think the lack of depth caused by poor recruiting (injuries too) and iffy play calls are on two of the coaches. Guess I hold NDSU to a higher standard than many of the young posters here. Some were in diapers when NDSU last won a national championship. DIAA is the old DII. I don't care how good the rest of the MVFC is, I EXPECT the Bison to be better most all of those teams.

[SDbison]

not saying dominate.....saying consistency which even in the 2 10-1 years was not there.......so many come from behind wins would love 2 see the bison play a good game from beginning to end
Right on........Amen!

[HandoEX]

One game sure changes a lot when the data pool only includes 3 games. For example...

RUSHING OFFENSE G Att. Yards Avg/A TD Avg/G
9. North Dakota State 3 97 339 3.5 3 113.0
9. North Dakota State 2 66 379 5.74 3 189.5


Take out the UNI game, and suddenly our rushing attack is brilliant as we obviously have run the ball very well the other two games. How anyone can rip on the team for not having better stats when only 3 games are included is beyond me :smh:

[SDbison]

One game sure changes a lot when the data pool only includes 3 games. For example...

RUSHING OFFENSE G Att. Yards Avg/A TD Avg/G
9. North Dakota State 3 97 339 3.5 3 113.0
9. North Dakota State 2 66 379 5.74 3 189.5


Take out the UNI game, and suddenly our rushing attach is brilliant as we obviously have run the ball very well the other two games. How anyone can rip on the team for not having better stats when only 3 games are included is beyond me :smh:
Because it is indicative of how they play.........hmmm, sucked against UNI and Western........barely beat Youngstown only because the offense can't finish a drive in the red zone with a TD or even make a chip shot FG. Had to rely on scoring last as with 2:00 left Youngstown would have scored again on NDSU. Take the Green and Gold Goggles off.

[westnodak93bison]

unbison, you can't reason with the retard kool-aid drinkers.
Just watch the games fans........this Bison team can't really stop a team on 3rd down when they need to or get a first down to finish off a team. One fluke pass play doesn't erase the fact that the 2010 team is very inconsistent.
I guess I expect more from the Bison due to the support they get from the fans, student and alumni. Best damn facilities in FCS. Best booster donations from Teammakers. Equal winning tradition compared to Youngstown and UNI.
I can understand this team is young and will make mistakes, but I think the lack of depth caused by poor recruiting (injuries too) and iffy play calls are on two of the coaches. Guess I hold NDSU to a higher standard than many of the young posters here. Some were in diapers when NDSU last won a national championship. DIAA is the old DII. I don't care how good the rest of the MVFC is, I EXPECT the Bison to be better most all of those teams.

I know you think the players were better, the coaches better etc. back in the day. Don't forget that NDSU had way more scholarships back in the hay day. That played a major factor in the Bison success. The playing field has been leveled thus more parity.

[stevdock]

So let me get this straight more money is supposed to equal more wins?? If that's the case Viriginia has received more than $50 million from one booster alone. When was the last time Virginia was good in any of the main sports?? Missouri has received more than $30 million from one booster. Same thing?? http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2285986

Do we have facilities that could sway recruits to us?? YES. I am in no way diminishing the dynasty NDSU put together in the 80's, but a lot of that was bought with more scholarships than anyone we played against. We now have the same scholarship money as everyone we are going up against. Blowing people out by 40 every week is not going to happen anymore which is what alot of people remember about those teams.

[SDbison]

So let me get this straight more money is supposed to equal more wins?? If that's the case Viriginia has received more than $50 million from one booster alone. When was the last time Virginia was good in any of the main sports?? Missouri has received more than $30 million from one booster. Same thing?? http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2285986

Do we have facilities that could sway recruits to us?? YES. I am in no way diminishing the dynasty NDSU put together in the 80's, but a lot of that was bought with more scholarships than anyone we played against. We now have the same scholarship money as everyone we are going up against. Blowing people out by 40 every week is not going to happen anymore which is what alot of people remember about those teams.
SPEAKING OF THIS LEVEL OF FOOTBALL..........FCS NOT FBS!
The scholarship level was not the #1 reason NDSU dominated from 1965 through the 1990........just tell your scholarship argument to the great players on the awesome teams back then. What an insult.

[bisonaudit]

just tell your scholarship argument to the great players on the awesome teams back then. What an insult.

Why? Were they all walkons? What's insulting about being good enough at something to get your school paid for?

I don't think it was ONLY money that made a difference, but money well spent was part of the equation. It's money, and talent evaluation, and luck.

[SDbison]

Why? Were they all walkons? What's insulting about being good enough at something to get you school paid for?

I don't think it was ONLY money that made a difference, but money well spent was part of the equation. It's money, and talent evaluation, and luck.
More specifically great talent, great coaching, great player development, great commitment, great desire to win and a great overall system is why NDSU did so well from 1965 to 1990.
Some parts of that are missing today (you figure it out).

[Facts]

So, let me get this...

We are 6 games into the schedule and have....

1. a BCS win under our belts
2. went the first two games with the offense struggling noticably yet allowed 19 points total those two games.
3. Are one of only 2 MVC yet to give up 30 points in a game this season (SDSU is the other)
4. Sitting at #9 in scoring offense for all of FCS in spite of having a stuggling offense.
5. We just won at Youngstown without Matt Gratzek and Jensen.
6. Have yet to have an opponent score what they are averaging per game against other opponents. (actually an average of 10 points per game less)


Doesn't the first post show that we are #9 in scoring offense in the MVFC??:confused: I have no idea where we stand in all of FCS, but would assume that ranking is substantially lower.

My take on this team is we've been lucky... but I know somebody wise once said "I'd rather be lucky than good". I think we'll know who the real bison are at the end of the season. So far, it's been jekyl and hyde.

[westnodak93bison]

Stats are deceiving when you play more of a ball control/field position strategy.

[HandoEX]

Doesn't the first post show that we are #9 in scoring offense in the MVFC??:confused: I have no idea where we stand in all of FCS, but would assume that ranking is substantially lower.

My take on this team is we've been lucky... but I know somebody wise once said "I'd rather be lucky than good". I think we'll know who the real bison are at the end of the season. So far, it's been jekyl and hyde.

The first post shows that we are 9th in the conference in games played between conference teams. It doesn't factor in non-conference games.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

2010 Missouri Valley Football Conference
Team Statistics thru games of Oct. 9
(Conference games)
RUSHING DEFENSE G Att. Yards Avg/A Long TD Avg/G
1. Northern Iowa 3 91 200 2.2 47 3 66.7
2. Youngstown State 3 95 392 4.1 56 4 130.7
3. Western Illinois 3 116 457 3.9 42 6 152.3
4. Missouri State 2 80 316 4.0 71 7 158.0
5. Southern Illinois 3 123 600 4.9 46 4 200.0
6. South Dakota State 3 137 633 4.6 65 3 211.0
7. Indiana State 2 106 471 4.4 32 6 235.5
8. North Dakota State 3 121 732 6.0 54 5 244.0
9. Illinois State 4 178 997 5.6 62 12 249.2


I remember when our rush defense was always at the top...I would love to see that again.

[stevdock]

SPEAKING OF THIS LEVEL OF FOOTBALL..........FCS NOT FBS!
The scholarship level was not the #1 reason NDSU dominated from 1965 through the 1990........just tell your scholarship argument to the great players on the awesome teams back then. What an insult.

Interesting how my comparison doesn't work even though you are comparing D2 from how many years ago to FCS football. And I never once said the #1 reason was scholarships. I just said it was a big part, and if you are saying that it wasn't, you too are fooling yourself.

[Gully]

So the Bison are either great and the playoffs are a near certainty or they're terrible and they have no chance?

I suspect the truth is somewhere in between. I think you're seeing a team that is improved over the past two years but still isn't back to what we were used to in the Walker era.

I think it's very possible they'll end up with at least 6 wins, a good chance at 7, and outside shot at 8. But each game could go either way, they're not good enough to just show up and win and they need to get off to better starts.

8 wins=playoffs
7 wins=I'm not so sure given the perceived weakness of our conference (see non-conference results)

Even if they win the next two (which they have a decent shot at doing) they'd be 6-2 with 3 games to play. Two be assured of playoffs they'd STILL have to win 2-3 with a tough SIU team, road game at MSU, and a home game at SDSU (see our recent record in rivarly games).

Tough road but it is possible. Finally, even if they don't make the playoffs it seems most likely to me that they will be judged as considerably improved from last year.

[Facts]

The first post shows that we are 9th in the conference in games played between conference teams. It doesn't factor in non-conference games.

thanks hando!

[Bison bison]

Stats are deceiving when you play more of a ball control/field position strategy.

I wish we would play more to score points and win games.

[westnodak93bison]

More specifically great talent, great coaching, great player development, great commitment, great desire to win and a great overall system is why NDSU did so well from 1965 to 1990.
Some parts of that are missing today (you figure it out).

Lets see...what are we missing that we had then but not now. UND, Auggie, St Cloud St., Neb. Omaha, No. Colorado, oh and ever so tough Morningside. Can't see how we ever made it through a season without every player being injured. I don't think the 2010 Bison would have finished in the top half of the NCC in 1988.

[lakesbison]

ARE YOU INSANE?

the talent on the NDSU team in 2010 could beat ANY NDSU team from pre-2005.

[NorthernBison]

ARE YOU INSANE?

the talent on the NDSU team in 2010 could beat ANY NDSU team from pre-2005.

You better put some new batteries in your sarcasm detector.

[aces1180]

ARE YOU INSANE?

the talent on the NDSU team in 2010 could beat ANY NDSU team from pre-2005.

Lakes, how long have you been following Bison football? I'm sorry to tell you this, but you are dead wrong. Some of those teams in the 80s would dominate today's squad.

[westnodak93bison]

You better put some new batteries in your sarcasm detector.

yeah....:D

[TransAmBison]

Lakes, how long have you been following Bison football? I'm sorry to tell you this, but you are dead wrong. Some of those teams in the 80s would dominate today's squad.
Yeah, no doubt. Sadly, this shows that Lakes has no knowledge of NDSU's past, and how good some of those teams were. :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh:

[GradBison]

So the Bison are either great and the playoffs are a near certainty or they're terrible and they have no chance?

I suspect the truth is somewhere in between. I think you're seeing a team that is improved over the past two years but still isn't back to what we were used to in the Walker era.

I think it's very possible they'll end up with at least 6 wins, a good chance at 7, and outside shot at 8. But each game could go either way, they're not good enough to just show up and win and they need to get off to better starts.

8 wins=playoffs
7 wins=I'm not so sure given the perceived weakness of our conference (see non-conference results)

Even if they win the next two (which they have a decent shot at doing) they'd be 6-2 with 3 games to play. Two be assured of playoffs they'd STILL have to win 2-3 with a tough SIU team, road game at MSU, and a home game at SDSU (see our recent record in rivarly games).

Tough road but it is possible. Finally, even if they don't make the playoffs it seems most likely to me that they will be judged as considerably improved from last year.

There's no weakness in the conference perceived or otherwise, you can't have a weak conference and place 4 teams in the top 25 polls + 2 receiving votes. And going by the first GPI released today, MVFC is ranked second.

Other than that I agree with your post. :nod:

[CAS4127]

Recall, please, that the emphasis in Fall camp for the defense was on getting off the effin field on 3rd downs. That was basically a direct quote from Bohl. Not sayin it was some sort of exceptional observation by him, as it is basic football, but that was what was said. The question then becomes, "have we accomplished that". The answer is "no", at least not in conference games. Hopefully not a foretell of things to come, but something to keep in mind when at home games and it's third down for the opponents--get where I am going. All the yellow in the world pails in comparison to some effin noise. I saw some things by the D last week that made me pause just a little, and hope what I was seein was not what it was. Stats don's lie btw--just sayin!!

[unbison]

SD TALENT is there coaching and commitment. Prolly not

[Scooter1]

Doesn't the first post show that we are #9 in scoring offense in the MVFC??:confused: I have no idea where we stand in all of FCS, but would assume that ranking is substantially lower.

My take on this team is we've been lucky... but I know somebody wise once said "I'd rather be lucky than good". I think we'll know who the real bison are at the end of the season. So far, it's been jekyl and hyde.


Here are the FCS rankings for scoring defense.

1 Delaware 6.50
2 James Madison 10.40
3 South Carolina St. 14.80
4 Harvard 15.50
5 Villanova 15.80
6 New Hampshire 15.83
7 Bethune-Cookman 16.00
7 William & Mary 16.00
9 North Dakota St. 16.83
9 Western Ill. 16.83


We are 2.03 PPG points lower than the #3 place. which is 14.8 PPG

[SDbison]

Here are the FCS rankings for scoring defense.

1 Delaware 6.50
2 James Madison 10.40
3 South Carolina St. 14.80
4 Harvard 15.50
5 Villanova 15.80
6 New Hampshire 15.83
7 Bethune-Cookman 16.00
7 William & Mary 16.00
9 North Dakota St. 16.83
9 Western Ill. 16.83


We are 2.03 PPG points lower than the #3 place. which is 14.8 PPG

How ironic you call yourself FACTS, please check them first. :blush:
That can't include the last game or two. No way.

[TransAmBison]

That can't include the last game or two. No way.
3+16+9+16+28+29=101 divided by 6=16.83 :bow:

[Scooter1]

That can't include the last game or two. No way.

Yes, It does.

[SDbison]

Yeah I verified that after my post and was going to self correct but too late.......so just like someone else said today.........The 3 points gave up in the Kansas game skewed everything........:D

[Gully]

There's no weakness in the conference perceived or otherwise, you can't have a weak conference and place 4 teams in the top 25 polls + 2 receiving votes. And going by the first GPI released today, MVFC is ranked second.

Other than that I agree with your post. :nod:

I thought someone broke down the conferences non conference games and there were some bad losses and bad wins or wins that were over lower division teams. I thought our KU win was one of the few bright spots? Maybe I have that wrong though, my memory isn't what it used to be.:)

[NDSUstudent]

I thought someone broke down the conferences non conference games and there were some bad losses and bad wins or wins that were over lower division teams. I thought our KU win was one of the few bright spots? Maybe I have that wrong though, my memory isn't what it used to be.:)

Not really many conferences have great resumes, not many teams step out and schedule games against other FCS power conferences. Kind of sad really but the FCS seems to be getting more and more regionalized.

[bisonfan11]

While I will admit that our offense is getting better for the most part each week. I am starting to get really concerned about our defense. I know that there are some big injuries, however, it is not like we don't have back-ups capable of filling in for the injured players. I mean next year we will lose Graztek to graduation. Did we not recruit someone to fill his place? All I can say is if we allow ISU-Red to convert on more than 50% of 3rd downs we WILL lose. Our offense is getting better, and I feel that we will be able to move at will against Illinois State, but I also feel that Illinois State will be able to move quite well against us. Our strength on defense was defending against the pass, but I feel that YSU exposed us and now we have to face probably the best QB we will see all season. We need have ISU-Red's 3rd down conversion rate in the 40% or less rate in order for us to have any chance to win.

[SDbison]

While I will admit that our offense is getting better for the most part each week. I am starting to get really concerned about our defense. I know that there are some big injuries, however, it is not like we don't have back-ups capable of filling in for the injured players. I mean next year we will lose Graztek to graduation. Did we not recruit someone to fill his place? All I can say is if we allow ISU-Red to convert on more than 50% of 3rd downs we WILL lose. Our offense is getting better, and I feel that we will be able to move at will against Illinois State, but I also feel that Illinois State will be able to move quite well against us. Our strength on defense was defending against the pass, but I feel that YSU exposed us and now we have to face probably the best QB we will see all season. We need have ISU-Red's 3rd down conversion rate in the 40% or less rate in order for us to have any chance to win.
I am not just worried about the experience of the backups on the D line, but the big drop off in size. Nobody else that is 260 270 or 280. All seem to be around 240 or 250. Not good.