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[Bison bison]

The Standing Rock Tribal Council passed a resolution for the end of the Sioux nickname.

That pretty much puts a fork in the nickname issue and opens the door for UND to join the Summit League (not sure if the decision will be made next week).

Lakes, what are your thoughts on the addition?

[Tatanka]

The Standing Rock Tribal Council passed a resolution for the end of the Sioux nickname.

Ahhh.
http://www.icompositions.com/music/uploads/541/28027cat_with_a_ball_of_string.png
So kitteh has finally grown tired of playing with the ball of string?

[Bison"FANatic"]

So do you think that there will be any change overall from the Sioux followers towards the native americans. Do you think their will be a decrease to the Native American run casino's. I personally know a few that won't set foot in the one in Devils lake anymore even after they voted to support the nickname. I don't know if it is wide spread or not. There is a ton of support in the legislature by UND alums also. Makes you wonder if they will possibly pass in time a expansion of the charitable gaming laws that already exists. Politicians have a long memory. Maybe a Racino at the Fargo horsepark???????

[lakesbison]

Why Would The Summit Want Them?

Their Ignorant Racist Fans Will Continue To Wear The Sioux Jerseys And The Racism Will Be Even More Noticeable!!!

Itll Be Worse!

[roadwarrior]

The Forum did it's best to hide this story in today's paper!

[Tatanka]

Over??? Nothing's over until the money in the bunker runs out...

[bisonmike2]

Over??? Nothing's over until the money in the bunker runs out...

This. Never underestimate the power of stupid people/organizations with money. Their nickname has more lives than Jason Vorhees.

[Greenie]

It won't be over until their time officially runs out on Nov 30, 2010

[aces1180]

Over??? Nothing's over until the money in the bunker runs out...

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[Notorious]

Why don't they just expand their DI presence and start a kick-ass FCS Football Conference (WCFA) with all their DI hockey partners...BCS Conference within 3 years....right LakesVegas?

und
St. Cloud
UM-Duluth
UM-Mankato
Alaska
Michigan...tech?
Denver CC
Colorado (boulder?)

Possible expansion: Moorhead St....Sioux Falls :).....Fergus Falls CC

Kick out Minnesota and Wisconsin...they don't bring much to the table.

[56BISON73]

This will still be a controversy because the council didnt let their people vote on the issue.

[ndsubison1]

this issue is not annoying and probably never will be

[DORMIE]

Unless SUU gets invited to the Big Sky, why would you think there would be room in the Summitt for UND. Even if they wanted to go to 12, there might be some other schools that they are looking at.

[DIBISON]

I agree, they aren't a slam dunk for the Summit anymore. I heard that there is an equal down south that would be a better geographic fit for the Summit.

[Herd]

Let's be honest (ya I know, see other thread), UND would bring fans, decent programs, competitiveness, rivalries, etc . . . and would benefit the summit in the long run.

Geez, UND has a strong alum base, they would be good for the league. Compare them to KC, IUPIU, IPFW . . . they would be good for the league, there is no doubt about that.

As I soften on my distain for that school, I think they would help the league to grow and remain viable.

[Shawn-O]

I think Douple sees a conference with the four Dakota schools together as having more stability and staying power. I do not think the Big Sky will come calling. Kolpack seems to think there are talks between the parties happening.

[Herd]

It is tough for UND. Will they get a Big Sky invite of any kind? If so, will it be Football only, or all Sports? If they got an all sports invite to the Sky, they really would have to take it, and it wouldn't be a bad situtation. But then you question what would happen to baseball, swimming, softball . . . which would be homeless. I will guarantee that Faison and Kelley have a secret room somewhere with a whiteboard that looks like this . . .

Best Options for UND in order IMO: (6 scenarios)
Summit - Valley (Valley not likely* for awhile at least)
Big Sky all sports (BaseB, SB, Swimming to Summit or ther league)
Summit - Big Sky (FB only)
Summit - Great West (FB only)
Great West - Big Sky (FB only)
Great West all sports (Current Situation)

WAC - plug in as you wish

*The scenario for getting football into the Valley would have been for the conference to move to 12 from 9, adding ND, SD, and UNO. UNO still being in DII kinda leaves ND and SD in a lurch to find a football home, almost making the Sky a better short term option. The Valley moving to 10 or 11 is not likely. Other FB schools needing homes would be SUU, but they will not be offered Valley FB membership, and probably wouldn't want it anyway. UNI (and NDSU also) would not be excited about a 12 team Valley FB that would prevent them from playing the East or South schools each year.

[Tatanka]

Got to agree with Herd's scenarios here. Also Shawn is right with his read on Douple.

I will say that a Summit league with UND is in fact a stronger league from an institutional perspective. And in the short term it would give several Summit teams some easy W's in several sports.

Now that the NSIC has shut the door on UND's membership application (for now anyway) options are dwindling.

And through it all, one fact sticks out, and it's gotta sting: UND has nobody else to blame for their increasingly desperate situation but themselves. Hoisted by their own petard, so to speak.

[Herd]

You can read the polls on sioux sports all you want, but let's not give the SS posters too much credit for good decision making (see nickname options thread). Let's face it . . . Summit-Valley is better for them than Big Sky all sports. It just is! I will guarantee that the AD and President are objective and see it as I do.

Why? All sports (Hockey of course not included), better stability at the present time, time zones, institution types, travel, cost. Yes matchups with Montana are sexy, but you maybe can't count on MT being there.

That said, Summit-Valley might not be attainable, so I do have Big Sky all sports in the #2 position.

[Herd]

I think it will all depend on what happens first.

Big Sky football invite
Summit Invite
Big Sky all sports invite
place these in the order you see fit

If UND gets a Big Sky invite for FB only first, will the Summit back away. Would the Summit support a Summit-Big Sky (FB only) scenario, or would the Summit assume that UND is on its way to the Sky? If the Summit doesn't offer soon will UND push hard with the Big Sky or try to be patient with the Summit? Is this current nickname issue ever going to die down? Is UND capable of being patient and working to improve its image which seem strained currently with the Summit?

If Faison and Kelley need to consult, I can be reached at 320-xxxx-xxx. I've been the corporate world for a few years, my specialties are sucking up and culture change.

[lakesbison]

STAY AWAY FROM THEM!!

READ THEIR MESSAGE BOARDS:

"screw the summit"

"buy all the sioux jerseys you can, and wear them forever"

"take away the indian scholarships, they dont deserve them"


Who wants that crap in our conference!!!

[Bisonguy]

This will still be a controversy because the council didnt let their people vote on the issue.


Why? Is there controversy for every piece of legislature that Congress votes on, but isn't brought to a popular vote? :confused:

[Bisonguy]

It is tough for UND. Will they get a Big Sky invite of any kind? If so, will it be Football only, or all Sports? If they got an all sports invite to the Sky, they really would have to take it, and it wouldn't be a bad situtation. But then you question what would happen to baseball, swimming, softball . . . which would be homeless. I will guarantee that Faison and Kelley have a secret room somewhere with a whiteboard that looks like this . . .

Best Options for UND in order IMO: (6 scenarios)
Summit - Valley (Valley not likely* for awhile at least)
Big Sky all sports (BaseB, SB, Swimming to Summit or ther league)
Summit - Big Sky (FB only)
Summit - Great West (FB only)
Great West - Big Sky (FB only)
Great West all sports (Current Situation)

WAC - plug in as you wish

*The scenario for getting football into the Valley would have been for the conference to move to 12 from 9, adding ND, SD, and UNO. UNO still being in DII kinda leaves ND and SD in a lurch to find a football home, almost making the Sky a better short term option. The Valley moving to 10 or 11 is not likely. Other FB schools needing homes would be SUU, but they will not be offered Valley FB membership, and probably wouldn't want it anyway. UNI (and NDSU also) would not be excited about a 12 team Valley FB that would prevent them from playing the East or South schools each year.

IMO, I'd axe the Big Sky football only option. IF the Big Sky was looking for FB only members, UC-D and Cal Poly would be the frontrunners as they were already invited to the conference but wanted to be football only members.

[Herd]

STAY AWAY FROM THEM!!

READ THEIR MESSAGE BOARDS:

"screw the summit"

"buy all the sioux jerseys you can, and wear them forever"

"take away the indian scholarships, they dont deserve them"


Who wants that crap in our conference!!!

I think there are some left wing fans with those opinions (most of ss), but I think that the admin is smarter than that. Yes, they would not come without some history and baggage which would take a little time to mellow. But then, even Lakes has a history and some baggage.:)

[Hammersmith]

IMO, I'd axe the Big Sky football only option. IF the Big Sky was looking for FB only members, UC-D and Cal Poly would be the front-runners as they were already invited to the conference but wanted to be football only members.

I was going to say I could see it happening, but then thought it through and realized it wouldn't. A decent option for the Big Sky(if they wanted to expand - which they don't seem to), would be to add one full member and two football affiliates. That would give them 10/12 and allow them to split into football divisions. But the most logical additions would be SUU for full membership and Cal Poly & UCD for football. And if a current school were to leave, SUU would also be the front-runner for a school to add to return to the status quo. Now, either scenario basically assures UND a spot in the Summit, but I don't see any way they get into the Big Sky no matter which flavor of wild ass guess star2city is using this week. The most laughable idea is the one where the Montana schools get poached by the WAC and that leads to UND getting an invite. Sure, that's going to happen. You take out two of the schools closest to North Dakota and that somehow increases the odds of the remaining schools voting UND in? Welcome to bizzaro logic.

[Bison bison]

This will still be a controversy because the council didnt let their people vote on the issue.

We live in a republic. The people had their say.

[Bisonguy]

We live in a republic. The people had their say.


Representative democracy would be the better term. China and Cuba are technically republics.

[Herd]

I was going to say I could see it happening, but then thought it through and realized it wouldn't. A decent option for the Big Sky(if they wanted to expand - which they don't seem to), would be to add one full member and two football affiliates. That would give them 10/12 and allow them to split into football divisions. But the most logical additions would be SUU for full membership and Cal Poly & UCD for football. And if a current school were to leave, SUU would also be the front-runner for a school to add to return to the status quo. Now, either scenario basically assures UND a spot in the Summit, but I don't see any way they get into the Big Sky no matter which flavor of wild ass guess star2city is using this week. The most laughable idea is the one where the Montana schools get poached by the WAC and that leads to UND getting an invite. Sure, that's going to happen. You take out two of the schools closest to North Dakota and that somehow increases the odds of the remaining schools voting UND in? Welcome to bizzaro logic.

Because 75% of SS thinks that UND belongs in the Sky, I would tend to keep it in as an option. I agree, they know not of which they speak . . . and I would tend to think that the admin is smarter than that.

I could see a situation where UND gets offered Fooball membership only in the Sky, and they continue to pursue the Summit. That would be a plausible idea. Let's face it, the Great West is going nowhere. They've got to find a way to move football out of GW, and that's one way to do it. Plausible yes, but your SUU, Poly, Davis scenario is move logical.

And yes, Montana(s) leaving would be an auto-no for UND into the Sky, agreed. If MT(s) left, would you would really want to join?

[Bison bison]

Representative democracy would be the better term. China and Cuba are technically republics.

The United States is a republic -: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

[Shawn-O]

North Korea is a democratic republic, or so they call themselves. These terms are all used very loose and fast to say the least.

[Bisonguy]

The United States is a republic -: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.


That's one of the many definitions of a republic, which can also be as simple as 'a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president'.

The United States is actually a Federal Constitutional Presidential Republic, which is basically a tempered representative democracy.

[Bison bison]

The United States is actually a Federal Constitutional Presidential Republic

Great. So it's settled. The United States is a republic.

[Tatanka]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the...

[Bisonguy]

Great. So it's settled. The United States is a republic.


Yes, just like Iran and the former USSR.

[BraxtonT]

*The scenario for getting football into the Valley would have been for the conference to move to 12 from 9, adding ND, SD, and UNO..... ... UNI (and NDSU also) would not be excited about a 12 team Valley FB that would prevent them from playing the East or South schools each year.

That would be OK with me. I'd rather play UND, SDSU, USD, and UNI every year than MSU, ISU-blue, or ISU-red. Having natural rivals (and close driving distance) every year and the other teams every other year would be great.

[DjKyRo]

Boy, talk about thread drift. :P

Welcome to the Summit UND, at least look at the bright side: while the entire conference is obviously beneath you, at least your powerhouse athletic programs (basketball, etc.) will be guaranteed an easy 20 wins every season wit tickets to the Dance already punched. ;)

[Bison bison]

Yes, just like Iran and the former USSR.

That's correct.

[Bison bison]

Boy, talk about thread drift. :P

Welcome to the Summit UND, at least look at the bright side: while the entire conference is obviously beneath you, at least your powerhouse athletic programs (basketball, etc.) will be guaranteed an easy 20 wins every season wit tickets to the Dance already punched.

Oh, that's what this thread was about.

not sure if anyone read the paper today, but apparently the resolution passed by standing rock said more than the name is dead. it specifically denounced the actions of non-tribal groups including the REA for becoming involved in the issue.

the nickname is finished*

* or maybe not ;)

[Herd]

That would be OK with me. I'd rather play UND, SDSU, USD, and UNI every year than MSU, ISU-blue, or ISU-red. Having natural rivals (and close driving distance) every year and the other teams every other year would be great.

Yeah, it wouldn't be that big of deal for me either. But UNI would get stuck with all the newbies, and would only play the East every other year under this scenario. UNI - So IL not playing every year would be like MI - OH st. taking a year off, not real popular.

West
UNI NDSU UND USD SDSU UNO

East
MoSt InSt Y'town ILSt SoIL WIL

[Shawn-O]

Boy, talk about thread drift. :P

Welcome to the Summit UND, at least look at the bright side: while the entire conference is obviously beneath you, at least your powerhouse athletic programs (basketball, etc.) will be guaranteed an easy 20 wins every season wit tickets to the Dance already punched.

Thanks! :D

[BraxtonT]

Yeah, it wouldn't be that big of deal for me either. But UNI would get stuck with all the newbies, and would only play the East every other year under this scenario. UNI - So IL not playing every year would be like MI - OH st. taking a year off, not real popular.

West
UNI NDSU UND USD SDSU UNO

East
MoSt InSt Y'town ILSt SoIL WIL

Easy fix: Swap WIU and UNI---> "Summit Division" and "Valley Division"

[56BISON73]

Why? Is there controversy for every piece of legislature that Congress votes on, but isn't brought to a popular vote? :confused:

Why??? because the people of the tribe were already bitching about them not getting a say in this matter. The council never allowed them to vote .

This isnt about our congress. Its about them.

[56BISON73]

We live in a republic. The people had their say.

There goverence is different. There people didnt have their say.

[56BISON73]

That's one of the many definitions of a republic, which can also be as simple as 'a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president'.

The United States is actually a Federal Constitutional Presidential Republic, which is basically a tempered representative democracy.

That may be all well and good but it has nothing to do with the N/As. They have been considered a sovereign nation.

[Bisonguy]

Why??? because the people of the tribe were already bitching about them not getting a say in this matter. The council never allowed them to vote .

This isnt about our congress. Its about them.


And yet their elected Tribal Council functions much like Congress.

[56BISON73]

And yet their elected Tribal Council functions much like Congress.

Since there are many tribes they are like states. When the people of the states feel an issue is important they are allowed to petition the state for a vote on the issue. IIRC one tribe was allowed to vote on the issue while another denied their people that basic right..

[Herd]

I'm not sure why people think that this should be a "Vote" by the Indian tribes, and that the majority should win. In the normal world at all of our places of business, if one person feels like there is a harrassing situation, it doesn't matter what the other 50 people think. It is addressed, and it stops. We are not talking about preferrence, we are talking about people feeling like this is de-humanizing.

If there are ligitimate groups (not 1 person, but groups) within either the SR or SL tribes who feel the nickname is derogatory and dehumanizing, I really don't give a crap about what the other 75% of people at SL/SR might think. This is not the kind of issue that should be decided by a majority vote, it just is not. You will never sell me that this should go the way of a majority vote. They are not deciding if their favorite flavor is chocolate or vanilla, this is a serious matter. If there was no serious opposition, I'd fine, but there appears to be serious opposition.

[ndsubison1]

56 you are right [/thread]

[ndsubison1]

I'm not sure why people think that this should be a "Vote" by the Indian tribes, and that the majority should win. In the normal world at all of our places of business, if one person feels like there is a harrassing situation, it doesn't matter what the other 50 people think. It is addressed, and it stops. We are not talking about preferrence, we are talking about people feeling like this is de-humanizing.

If there are ligitimate groups (not 1 person, but groups) within either the SR or SL tribes who feel the nickname is derogatory and dehumanizing, I really don't give a crap about what the other 75% of people at SL/SR might think. This is not the kind of issue that should be decided by a majority vote, it just is not. You will never sell me that this should go the way of a majority vote. They are not deciding if their favorite flavor is chocolate or vanilla, this is a serious matter. If there was no serious opposition, I'd fine, but there appears to be serious opposition.

So the offended gets to decide what's offensive? That's offensive

[Herd]

So the offended gets to decide what's offensive? That's offensive

Yes, that's how it works a my place of business. If one person has a concern that a behavior is harassing, it doesn't matter if someone else might feel that it's OK. I'm sure your business has a similar policy?

This is a human nickname, not an animal . . . a human. It is not surprising that some might be offended, or that a tribal counsel might feel that this is not an issue that should be put to a popular vote. Anyone with any HR background should not be surprised by this.

[lakesbison]

Hey drunkasses,,,,,reads da aryticles..in bizzo birdcage wrap, petition anaigst nickname= 1100 petion for nickname= 1002 (illl bet my life, halfs of,the 1002 was fak. namez!)

[56BISON73]

This whole thing with the tribes is about self determination. That is what the one tribe said that wasnt allowed to vote on the issue. That one of the reasons there was a stink by many N/As and the one tribe was that the Whites were determining what was abusive to them without asking them and letting THEM decide. They feel that they have been marginalized once again. I dont see whats so hard to understand about that.

[tony]

This whole thing with the tribes is about self determination. That is what the one tribe said that wasnt allowed to vote on the issue. That one of the reasons there was a stink by many N/As and the one tribe was that the Whites were determining what was abusive to them without asking them and letting THEM decide. They feel that they have been marginalized once again. I dont see whats so hard to understand about that.

What? So we don't have any self-determination as Americans unless we have a direct vote on every issue? There are very good reasons we don't do that, btw - ones that the guys who started the whole thing realized quite well. It's not like the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution were created or ratified by means a series of hundreds of simple majority votes of the population.

Only a body like a tribal council can negotiate on behalf of a tribe. If the US government negotiated treaties by popular vote, then the moral authority of that treaty would be void as soon as the people voted 51% against it - just like UND's moral authority to use the nickname would be nullified by any future opposed vote by the tribes. The only reason the popular vote came up is because the RE folks realized that they weren't going to win the tribal councils. And they specifically picked Spirit Lake (and funded the legal bills and PR campaign) because Spirit Lake was the tribe that they (or their proxies) have been threatening for over 10 years with talk of a Chippewa casino in Grand Forks. Moreover, UND's own president, Tom Clifford, clearly realized the fact that the negotiating power of the tribes resides in the Tribal Councils - he said that if the tribes ever opposed the nickname, then UND would have to retire it. In addition, UND polled it's own Indian students and asked them whether UND should abide by the Tribal Council's wishes and an overwhelming majority said, "Yes." Simply put: The tribal councils are ultimately the only body with the authority to negotiate on behalf of the tribes. The peoples' redress is exercised by their ability to vote them in or out of office.

Over 70% of the tribal council voted against the nickname - that's a pretty strong message.

[Bison"FANatic"]

I may be wrong but the way Standing Rock is doing it is no different then the way some of our states do things. We are kind of spoiled in ND to be able to put initiated measures on the ballots by a petition from the citizens. I do believe that some states the only way a measure can be on a ballot is if the elected officials, be it their state legislatures or county or city commissions vote to put a item on a ballot for the general public to decide. I believe about 25 to 30 states have initiated measure capability.

Standing Rock is its own nation and if you compare that to the United States being its own nation they are doing it the same way that our federal government does it. I don't believe that a regular citizen can start a national petition to get something put on a nationwide ballot, it has to come from congress.

So I understand the commotion from the nickname supporters of the school to the north on the Standing Rock reservation but their way to change it would be to elect representative to the tribal council that are pro nickname as it seems they don't have the "initiated measure" options in their government spelled out.

So with the time frame set forth by the NCAA it would seem the issue is dead and "The Fighting Sioux" will soon be a part of their history and not their future.

[Spiker]

It is time to move on and leave the nickname as part of UND's history. But being honest about everything the only reason the council won't allow a vote on the issue is because the majority of people would support the nickname just like at Spirit Lake. It would make the council look silly dropping the nickname when the majority of people on the reservation want to keep it. Apparently that is way government works some times but there is something quite sad about it too. I would imagine that there are some people on the council that will never be reelected again and that is also how government works too.

[Bisonguy]

This whole thing with the tribes is about self determination. That is what the one tribe said that wasnt allowed to vote on the issue. That one of the reasons there was a stink by many N/As and the one tribe was that the Whites were determining what was abusive to them without asking them and letting THEM decide. They feel that they have been marginalized once again. I dont see whats so hard to understand about that.


You do realize that the Tribal Council was presented with two petitions, and the one with more signatures wanted the Tribal Council to keep the resolution from 1992 that asked UND to drop the nickname and logo, right? :confused:


As far as letting the 'Whites' determine anything, consider this- there has been murmurs for almost a decade now about a Chippewa casino just outside of Grand Forks, which would all but eliminate any traffic to Spirit Lake's casino. I highly doubt that little tidbit wasn't used to leverage any support by the voters.

Moving back to Standing Rock, they passed a resolution in 1992 asking UND to remove the logo and nickname. If the people were so concerned about the nickname, why wasn't anything done in the sixteen years after the resolution was passed and prior to the NCAA stepping in? Seems kinda odd that it wasn't until UND's hand was forced that someone from the tribe became a vocal supporter. Especially after many UND alumni, many with deep pockets, were up in arms about the possible loss of the nickname.


That said, if UND gets this mess cleared up by November, I expect UND to be a member of the Summit League in 2013-2014, and most Summit schools 'encouraged' to schedule UND in the 2012-2013 season.

[Ferd]

It is time to move on and leave the nickname as part of UND's history. But being honest about everything the only reason the council won't allow a vote on the issue is because the majority of people would support the nickname just like at Spirit Lake. It would make the council look silly dropping the nickname when the majority of people on the reservation want to keep it. Apparently that is way government works some times but there is something quite sad about it too. I would imagine that there are some people on the council that will never be reelected again and that is also how government works too.

I'm sorry, Spiker, but the reason for a vote is TO FIND OUT if the majority of the people want to support...

You are assuming something you have no concrete knowledge of. This has been the situation for many, many years. People making assumptions of what other people think.


Besides, the SBOHE has the authority to decide the issue.

By the way, how many people do you have to offend before you quit doing whatever it is? I'm just asking a question. Everyone will have a different answer (I assume.)

[Spiker]

You are absolutely right. I am just stating my opinion. Just like you are stating your opinion. I think if they had a vote it would be TO FIND OUT if the majority of the people would support the nickname. My opinion is that they would support it. I have as much concrete knowledge as you do.

[BlueBisonRock]

It is time to move on and leave the nickname as part of UND's history. But being honest about everything the only reason the council won't allow a vote on the issue is because the majority of people would support the nickname just like at Spirit Lake. It would make the council look silly dropping the nickname when the majority of people on the reservation want to keep it. Apparently that is way government works some times but there is something quite sad about it too. I would imagine that there are some people on the council that will never be reelected again and that is also how government works too.

Spiker, you are absolutely correct. Love the nickname or hate the nickname, It is time to move on.

[Spiker]

I don't know if you thought I was being sarcastic or not but I do believe it is time to MOVE ON. I don't necessarily agree with the way it all came down but it is time to go.

[Tatanka]

I still find it ironic that the caring of what the tribes thought started only after the issue was forced by the NCAA's decision. Carry on.

[lakesbison]

1992 was the council resolution.
1999 was a letter from SR asking und to again honor the resolution
2010 1100 peitions to uphold, 1002 petitions (yea right) against.

to go against the will of their tribe for over 18 years is the defintion of racism, holy crap, how do you people not freakin understand.

plus spirit lake's vote was tainted with grand forks media handing out sioux tshirts and hats the day of the vote on the reservation and casino up there, , along with the theats of the 7 clans casino (chippewa) opening up a casino at the canad inn......so don't give me this bullshit, spirit laker's were forced to vote yes.


this aint rocket science. and the summit league shouldn't let them in, because these same ignorant, racist fans/alums WILL continue to wear the sioux jerseys and blatantly disrespect the wishes of the sioux tribe in standing rock for years to come, thus bringing more outrage and bad press.

if Tom Douple was smart, he & the other presidents would avoid them like the plague & honor their wishes for Ripping and making fun of the summit all these years.

[Shawn-O]

1992 was the council resolution.
if Tom Douple was smart, he & the other presidents would avoid them like the plague & honor their wishes for Ripping and making fun of the summit all these years.

If Douple is smart, the message board lunatics on either side of the issue don't have his ear. I don't think they do.

[onbison09]

I still find it ironic that the caring of what the tribes thought started only after the issue was forced by the NCAA's decision. Carry on.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[lakesbison]

Shawn-O -- #1 he is aware of all the hate spewed. #2 im far from a lunatic, your side has too many for mplsbison et al to compete with.

[Kermit]

Spiker, you are absolutely correct. Love the nickname or hate the nickname, It is time to move on.

Amen.

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[Grizzled]

I'm not sure why people think that this should be a "Vote" by the Indian tribes, and that the majority should win. In the normal world at all of our places of business, if one person feels like there is a harrassing situation, it doesn't matter what the other 50 people think. It is addressed, and it stops. We are not talking about preferrence, we are talking about people feeling like this is de-humanizing.

If there are ligitimate groups (not 1 person, but groups) within either the SR or SL tribes who feel the nickname is derogatory and dehumanizing, I really don't give a crap about what the other 75% of people at SL/SR might think. This is not the kind of issue that should be decided by a majority vote, it just is not. You will never sell me that this should go the way of a majority vote. They are not deciding if their favorite flavor is chocolate or vanilla, this is a serious matter. If there was no serious opposition, I'd fine, but there appears to be serious opposition.

Going by this logic than if one Native American nickname is hostile and abusive (Fighting Sioux) than they all should be (Seminoles). I can guarantee you that there is one person out there offended by the Seminole nickname. I would like to see the NCAA walk into Florida and tell Florida St. that the minority has a larger voice in this than the majority.

[Bison bison]

I'm offended by the Seminole nickname.

They have a white kid, dressed up in Plains Indian garb, riding a horse.

They should have been the first to go.

[BadlandsBison]

I'm offended by the Seminole nickname.

They have a white kid, dressed up in Plains Indian garb, riding a horse.

They should have been the first to go.

Get your facts straight, sir!!

The seminols lived in the Florida swamp:)

[lakesbison]

No news in mondays summit meetings.

insert simpsons laugh... HA HA.

[EndZoneQB]

Get your facts straight, sir!!

The seminols lived in the Florida swamp:)

I could be wrong, but that was his point...

[ndsubison1]

No news in mondays summit meetings.

insert simpsons laugh... HA HA.

I got you...

http://aroundthesphere.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

[sambini]

Lakes is everywhere?

[Bison bison]

Get your facts straight, sir!!

The seminols lived in the Florida swamp:)

I've got my facts straight.

Its the racists down in Tallahassee that are confused.

[dmksioux]

No news in mondays summit meetings.

insert simpsons laugh... HA HA.

Not quite the case lakes...Not big news...but a first step.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/166241

[TbonZach]

Not quite the case lakes...Not big news...but a first step.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/166241

While I'm not totally against the Who getting in the Summit, I want them nowhere near the MVFC.

[Shawn-O]

Not quite the case lakes...Not big news...but a first step.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/166241

"Potential for a site visit at the end of 2010" = "when the settlement agreement date passes this thing will get fast-tracked so quickly it will make your head spin, Lakes".

[NDSUstudent]

Site visit = invite

Sorry lakes, it is inevitable.

[NDSUstudent]

Summit football = Time for NDSU to leave the Summit. Honestly if it meant no more MVFC, I'd rather be in the Big Sky(as long as Montana is there).

[onbison09]

Summit football = Time for NDSU to leave the Summit. Honestly if it meant no more MVFC, I'd rather be in the Big Sky(as long as Montana is there).

Agree totally.

[Kermit]

Summit football = Time for NDSU to leave the Summit. Honestly if it meant no more MVFC, I'd rather be in the Big Sky(as long as Montana is there).

Summit League football is not going to happen with the current group of schools with or without UND. SUU is a short-timer for the league. That leaves four other football playing schools (5 with UND). There is zero chance that Western Illinois, SDSU, or NDSU voluntarily leave the MVFC for a five-team football conference. That would be insanity.

I could see a possibility of the MVC and the SL making some kind of agreement for football. Maybe 2 divisions?

[RedRiver]

"Potential for a site visit at the end of 2010" = "when the settlement agreement date passes this thing will get fast-tracked so quickly it will make your head spin, Lakes".

But actual membership won't be fast-tracked, it'll be 2012-2013 at the best. That's still a full two sport years away!!

[EricB]

Shawn-O -- #1 he is aware of all the hate spewed. #2 im far from a lunatic, your side has too many for mplsbison et al to compete with.

I am pretty sure that the Summit leagues doesn't care what is written about it on a fan message board. Come on now. You can't be serious?
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