Clean it up!

[cbline]

If this type of behavior is true, then clean it up if you are the offender. There is a difference between cheering and taunting.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/270355/group/home/

[aces1180]

If this type of behavior is true, then clean it up if you are the offender. There is a difference between cheering and taunting.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/270355/group/home/

This is a bunch of crap...There is a difference between heckling and racial slurs.

If you read the GDT, you will see there were no racial undertones. What a bunch of BS.

[bisonaudit]

I doesn't matter if anything racial was said or not. This is a perception problem for the University.

At least half the conference is predisposed to thinking that we're a bunch of no account rednecks from dakota and can't even be bothered to get the name of the school let alone the state correct.

Justified or not. True or not. Everytime one of these things pops up it just reinforces those preconcieved notions about who we are. As a result we need to take it upon ourselves to be better than that.

You can say its not fair (it's probably not) but its reality.

[lcbison]

2,392 fans in the arena had no problems acting normal. Too Bad total attendance was 2,395.

[godhateswalmart]

this is ridiculous. I reported what I witnessed.
the students were yelling "why arent you guys at butler? or Purdue?" & "hope you guys dont get bumped in 1st round at summit again"

big deal.

Hunter said "ill come whoop your ass" but you don't see that anywhere, do you? all one sided story. Hunter is incredible, there wasnt any racism.

[aces1180]

This type of publicity is definitely unwarranted. The Forum must be loving this, as they are allowing comments. That should be fun to read.

[Tatanka]

Yes, this is a freaking bonanza for the dumbasses over there at the asylum. Nothing like a little misinformation fueled by rampant stupidity.

[Amused]

Hammer is on with McFeeley right now discussing the subject

[Tatanka]

Hammer is on with McFeeley right now discussing the subject

The perfect storm.

[aces1180]

Hammer is on with McFeeley right now discussing the subject

Oh Jesus Christ! That is like putting a bull in a china shop! Nothing good can come from this!

Radio Fargo Moorhead! The future home of Bison athletics.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[NDSUstudent]

Hammer is on with McFeeley right now discussing the subject

Wow, it must really be a slow news day in Fargo...

[godhateswalmart]

Hammer & Mcfooly ? they wont be biased at all.

Hammer said the things shouted were horrible. (how would he know, he wasnt there?)

[ndsubison1]

This is a bunch of crap...There is a difference between heckling and racial slurs.

If you read the GDT, you will see there were no racial undertones. What a bunch of BS.


IUPUI head coach Ron Hunter said some of the comments had a racial tone

Simply untrue! There were no racial tones whatsoever!!! Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill

[aces1180]

Hammer & Mcfooly ? they wont be biased at all.

Hammer said the things shouted were horrible. (how would he know, he wasnt there?)

Anything else come from this great meeting of the minds? Did the fans kill a bunch of puppies and kittens too?

[godhateswalmart]

Dan "the scalper" hammer, is anti NDSU. Yet he is a on air personality for a fargo based radio station.
Why does this make no sense?

[aces1180]

Simply untrue! There were no racial tones whatsoever!!! Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill


Me or the coach? I agree, from what I read in the GDT, it was just some hard heckling.

[ndsubison1]

Me or the coach? I agree, from what I read in the GDT, it was just some hard heckling.

The coach...

I just listened to Hammers podcast. Unreal. Yeah, I get that you have to protect your players and such but man was he out of line and blowing things out of proportion.

[Herd Mentality]

The sad truth is that you could stand in the stands bellowing complete jibberish with no racial, sexist or profane language and someone will accuse you of one of those.

[SDbison]

I doesn't matter if anything racial was said or not. This is a perception problem for the University.

At least half the conference is predisposed to thinking that we're a bunch of no account rednecks from dakota and can't even be bothered to get the name of the school let alone the state correct.

Justified or not. True or not. Everytime one of these things pops up it just reinforces those preconcieved notions about who we are. As a result we need to take it upon ourselves to be better than that.

You can say its not fair (it's probably not) but its reality.
Reality is this is BS.......typical black minority bringing out the race card.

[SDbison]

The sad truth is that you could stand in the stands bellowing complete jibberish with no racial, sexist or profane language and someone will accuse you of one of those.
Welcome to the PC world where if some minority group cries they get their way ever damn time.

[SDbison]

If this type of behavior is true, then clean it up if you are the offender. There is a difference between cheering and taunting.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/270355/group/home/

How about the pompous a$$ of a coach from IUPUI cleans up his act.

[Swany]

Reality is this is BS.......typical black minority bringing out the race card.

And you wonder why folks in the Fargo media are running with this story that there were potentially racial taunts? It is statements like these that fuel that fire. Are you serious with your "typical black minority" garbage? What an incredibly ignorant and prejudicial thing to say. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't a racist or bigot --- but your statement sure tends to indicate otherwise.

This isn't me being PC either. You just lumped an entire race of people into one group based on the complaints of one single person, IUPUI's coach. Hello McFly! That is the exact definition of prejudice. Maybe your not prejudicial, but again, that is a BIG maybe because your statement is the EXACT definition of prejudice.

The reality is that your statement is BS.

[Tatanka]

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[Bison_Pride]

And you wonder why folks in the Fargo media are running with this story that there were potentially racial taunts? It is statements like these that fuel that fire. Are you serious with your "typical black minority" garbage? What an incredibly ignorant and prejudicial thing to say. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't a racist or bigot --- but your statement sure tends to indicate otherwise.

This isn't me being PC either. You just lumped an entire race of people into one group based on the complaints of one single person, IUPUI's coach. Hello McFly! That is the exact definition of prejudice. Maybe your not prejudicial, but again, that is a BIG maybe because your statement is the EXACT definition of prejudice.

The reality is that your statement is BS.

SDBisons pregame party.


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[onbison09]

Does everything have to turn into a pissing match around here? Also there is a PM feature that's cool to use. :hide: :hide: Also this needs to be locked.

[SDbison]

And you wonder why folks in the Fargo media are running with this story that there were potentially racial taunts? It is statements like these that fuel that fire. Are you serious with your "typical black minority" garbage? What an incredibly ignorant and prejudicial thing to say. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't a racist or bigot --- but your statement sure tends to indicate otherwise.

This isn't me being PC either. You just lumped an entire race of people into one group based on the complaints of one single person, IUPUI's coach. Hello McFly! That is the exact definition of prejudice. Maybe your not prejudicial, but again, that is a BIG maybe because your statement is the EXACT definition of prejudice.

The reality is that your statement is BS.
So if nobody actually said anything racial we have to sympathize with a minority group everytime.......you buddy have the problem and were apparently totally brainwashed someplace........
Oh yeah, call me ignorant and full of prejudice. What a sack of crap you are........

[Bison_Pride]

"Reality is this is BS.......typical black minority bringing out the race card." - SDBison


Sadly your dumb racial comments are an embarrassment to the fanbase of the University that I have financially supported. Hopefully future minority recruits, who might be browsing the forum, do not lump you into the greater category of Bison fans.

[NDSUstudent]

Onbison09 is right....might be time for the old thread lock on this one. If you have an issue with somebody use a pm.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

2,392 fans in the arena had no problems acting normal. Too Bad total attendance was 2,395.

yeah ok, i'm terrible for what I said....lmao I said nothing wrong I've said the same stuff at every game and Kempe from Oakland shook my hand after the game.

Is it wrong to tell the coach to put someone else into the game and use his bench, is it bad to tell the coach to get off the court being he was on there as much as the players were, is it bad to tell the opposing player nice shot and to keep shooting that all night? Glad you were right where it happened lc, I know what I said and I've said that at multiple games and never had a problem til now except for SUU last year when their coaches blew up at us.

[silkamilkamonico]

Please don't lock this thread. It's just now getting good.

[mebisonII]

The sad truth is that you could stand in the stands bellowing complete jibberish with no racial, sexist or profane language and someone will accuse you of one of those.

This idea has legs!

Next game a large contingent behind the opposing bench yells things like "I had a carrot clock in Toronto!", *chanting* "Up-Side-Down Chair! *clap* *clap* *clap-clap-clap*, and the new stand-by "Bolts and burgers, silicone fries!"

If fully coordinated, these cheers could be really effective! :nod: :nod: :nod:

[HandoEX]

Whoever is fueling this should be absolutely ashamed...I'm looking at you HUNTER. Now, the rest of you that are jumping to conclusions regarding something you know NOTHING about, you owe the accused an apology. This is ridiculous.

[Bison bison]

This is really a he-said/she-said deal.

Let's not get all presumptuously arrogant with one another.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Whoever is ruling this should be absolutely ashamed...I'm looking at you HUNTER. Now, the rest of you that are jumping to conclusions regarding something you know NOTHING about, you owe the accused an apology. This is ridiculous.

Thanks Hando, you and many others know me and the others that were involved are known personally by others on this board. There is no way in hell would I call out racial slurs to an opposing team. Like I've stated I've been there the last few years doing the same thing and getting into their heads and under their skin and most just laugh about it and have fun with it too aside from SUU and IUPUI, it obviously got under their skin last night because with 1 minute left Hunter turns around and says you better watch it, or you'll get your ass whooped, I mean what type of coach would do that.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

This is really a he-said/she-said deal.

Let's not get all presumptuously arrogant with one another.

I don't want everyone looking at me now as the guy that was taunting the Hunter and Co. and saying racial stuff, because that wasn't even done. Now Hammer and the Forum are all over this and its spreading quickly.

[HandoEX]

Thanks Hando, you and many others know me and the others that were involved are known personally by others on this board. There is no way in hell would I call out racial slurs to an opposing team. Like I've stated I've been there the last few years doing the same thing and getting into their heads and under their skin and most just laugh about it and have fun with it too aside from SUU and IUPUI, it obviously got under their skin last night because with 1 minute left Hunter turns around and says you better watch it, or you'll get your ass whooped, I mean what type of coach would do that.

I honestly feel bad for you guys. This is just straight up ridiculous. There is no doubt in my mind that this is all a big misunderstanding.

[Bison bison]

I don't want everyone looking at me now as the guy that was taunting the Hunter and Co. and saying racial stuff,.

But I do. I really do.

You need to do something to cleanse yourself of this. Until Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton give you the ok, I don't think that we'll be able to handout any more.

[Bison bison]

Anybody around here have the cahones to send a video of Devo's "Whip It" to Hunter's inbox?

[NDSUFan_Sav]

I honestly feel bad for you guys. This is just straight up ridiculous. There is no doubt in my mind that this is all a big misunderstanding.

hey its fine people can believe what they want to believe I know what I said and what others said, why would I lie about something like this. I'm sure people on this board that know me know me well enough that I wouldn't even say the things that have been stated in the media/public.

I obviously got in their head because why would an opposing player yell at us to meet him in the parking lot, great behavior there, but no one is pointing the finger at him, the finger is still pointed at us. No one seems to care like someone posted somewhere that Hunter mentioned to us about getting our ass whooped.

[bisonmike2]

I'm having trouble finding the significance of this event. 3 people out of 2800 were idiots. BFD.

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[NDSUFan_Sav]

I'm having trouble finding the significance of this event. 3 people out of 2800 were idiots. BFD.

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i'd like to think I wasn't an idiot thanks tho for thinking I was, I did absolutely nothing wrong.

[Twentysix]

Wow, listening to the game on the radio wasnt nearly as entertaining as this thread. I'm really sad i missed it. LOL!

Stop the presses NDSU student allegedly says racial slur to opposing teams coach. Next up on the 10 o'clock news, Cat stuck in tree!

[DjKyRo]

Yeah, this is 100% bullshit. If I would've heard anything resembling a racial slur I would've stepped up and said something myself - that's crossing the line and is completely unnecessary. I personally think that if anything said would have been truly "out of line" or "pathetic" like Hunter is telling everyone, someone would've told us something, be it another fan or a security official (a few of whom were clearly within earshot).

I like to think of myself as a nice guy - I'm always the one who's e-mailing people notes when they missed class and send an e-mail to 200-odd people, but when it comes to Bison sports I'll do whatever I can within the bounds of legality to help my team win. If that means try and bother or distract the other players, I could care less how I'm labeled because part of the Bison winning is the other team losing. To that end, there are definite bounds of decency which I'm definitely not going to cross or let be crossed in pursuit of a Bison win. Dropping racial slurs is one of those - absolutely out of line.

However, saying things like "Ashworth can't shoot!" and "Hey, I like your sort-of-mohawk! It says I want the badassery of a mohawk but can't commit to being that cool!" are in my book 100% OK. Am I going to say those things in real life? Maybe the mohawk line, but me in- and outside of a game are two different things. A soft-spoken athlete can be regarded as a total beast on the court/field, and I picture myself the same way in a slightly lame way.

All in all it's pathetic to see the exposure this is getting and how everyone isn't bothering to seek out the other side of the story. Typical biased Fargo media looking for and bringing up every little thing that could portray NDSU in a bad light. sheesh.

[Grizzled]

Reality is this is BS.......typical black minority bringing out the race card.

Hey Jay Harris come play for us. This post just screams we'll welcome you with open arms. Posts like this make a coaches claims that racial slurs where yelled pretty easy to believe.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Hey Jay Harris come play for us. This post just screams we'll welcome you with open arms. Posts like this make a coaches claims that racial slurs where yelled pretty easy to believe.

WTF!!! SD wasn't even at the game so why would you think racial slurs were used? I nor anyone around me used racial slurs.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1-QMYFBxhw

this is what you see at the big schools

[admin]

This is getting out of hand.

I'm not even sure what to do about it. *sigh*

I'll give it 48 hours thought. Your input welcome.

[unbison]

WTF!!! SD wasn't even at the game so why would you think racial slurs were used? I nor anyone around me used racial slurs.
he wasnt saying anything about you sav..........that was all about the statement made by sd

[Grizzled]

WTF!!! SD wasn't even at the game so why would you think racial slurs were used? I nor anyone around me used racial slurs.

Didn't mean for it to sound like that Sav. I meant if a person hears what coach is saying than reads a post like that on this board discussing the issue, it doesn't come across real well.

[unbison]

This is getting out of hand.

I'm not even sure what to do about it. *sigh*

I'll give it 48 hours thought. Your input welcome.
can you fire dan hammer?

[Herd Mentality]

This reminds me of a few years ago when I was tossed from a football game because a female trainer said she heard someone in the stands sexually harrassing her. It was a complete bold faced lie...however in this instance the FFD security force and FPD were happy to escort me out with no evidence other than I'm just the loudest guy in the section.

Due to work this year I made ONE NDSU game and it was last night. If I were to listen to the media I would think there was this huge melee that happened. I stuck around til 15-20 minutes after the game and I had no idea that any of this gone on. I am so making sure I make the IUPUI game next year...and if I do not hear the student section chanting "Kill Whitey" the entire game I will be very disappointed.

PS...with that pathetic crowd last night I'm pretty sure any racial slur would've echoed very clearly through the BSA.

[tjbison]

can you fire dan hammer?

I'll vote for this, he loves Neg pub for NDSU while sidestepping "other" schools troubles


Its sad and in Fargo we shouldn't have to put up with it........we have the ONLY legitimate DI school in the state yet our local FARGO sports station has a god damn UND HOMER as the sports guy somethings wrong!!!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[GOB1SON]

I don't care what was said. I am pretty sure there wasn't anything racial, or else someone would have come forward with the word. "Racial Overtones" is just a way to get the media's attention.

That being said however, by all accounts Ron Hunter is a good man. He is the coach that started the whole coaching barefoot to raise awareness for the Samaritan's Feet charity, which donates shoes to needy children in third world countries. That reeks of character.

So if three Bison fans made a man like that, who by all accounts has plenty of integrity and character, confront them to the point that police had to be summoned and a formal complaint with the University filed, then today I am ashamed to be a Bison. You three, even if you didn't use any racial overtones, should apologize to IUPUI, to Coach Hunter and his players, and to the rest of Bison Nation.

You have to be aware of the world you are living in. When your immature behavior (and unfortunately, much of the definition of fandom is steeped with immaturity) creates a black eye and finds the top fold of the morning news in two cities, then it is time to say "you know, maybe I did screw this up".

Frankly, I applaud the fanatical side of this story. Love the Bison! Cheer them on! But it is apparent that in this instance, a line was crossed, and Coach Hunter said enough is enough.

Just my two cents.

[Herd]

For those of you who worked the entire game to get under Hunter and IUPUI's skin, well you did it. They are trying to make sure next year you are not given that opportunity.

Perception is reality . . . how many interviews are you guys getting the past few days compared to hunter? Do I believe that you said anything racial? . . . No. But what matters is the stories that Hunter will make up and tell to the League office, Indy newpapers, fargo newpapers. The next thing we know he will be telling newspapers that fans threatened to burn crosses on his lawn. If he plays the race card, does it really matter what the truth is? No, everyone will just jump to his denfense. He has the upper hand.

So maybe next time you guys could be a little smarter, so Hunter doesn't feel like he has to makeup racial stories to the press to get you guys off his back. Maybe get a popcorn and soda, watch the game, and quit with the one-on-one personal heckling. Now that we know what coach has the thinnest skin in the league, maybe you could be a little smarter. After all, "it was the worst fan behavior he had seen in his 24 years of coaching". Sure, if you say so Ron.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

I don't care what was said. I am pretty sure there wasn't anything racial, or else someone would have come forward with the word. "Racial Overtones" is just a way to get the media's attention.

That being said however, by all accounts Ron Hunter is a good man. He is the coach that started the whole coaching barefoot to raise awareness for the Samaritan's Feet charity, which donates shoes to needy children in third world countries. That reeks of character.

So if three Bison fans made a man like that, who by all accounts has plenty of integrity and character, confront them to the point that police had to be summoned and a formal complaint with the University filed, then today I am ashamed to be a Bison. You three, even if you didn't use any racial overtones, should apologize to IUPUI, to Coach Hunter and his players, and to the rest of Bison Nation.

You have to be aware of the world you are living in. When your immature behavior (and unfortunately, much of the definition of fandom is steeped with immaturity) creates a black eye and finds the top fold of the morning news in two cities, then it is time to say "you know, maybe I did screw this up".

Frankly, I applaud the fanatical side of this story. Love the Bison! Cheer them on! But it is apparent that in this instance, a line was crossed, and Coach Hunter said enough is enough.

Just my two cents.

I won't apologize for anything I said, I didn't say anything wrong at all and his players came back to bench at times pissed off from what was going on in the game, Hunter at one point was yelling at one of his players and his player was talking back to Hunter and didn't want to hear Hunter yelling at him. To say the language was bad and he hasn't heard that in his 24 years of coaching is a HUGE lie, if he hasn't heard other schools get on his players for going to IUPUI and not Indiana, Purdue, Butler or nice shot keep shooting that all night long, telling him to get off the court, telling him to put in other players he obviously is not listening at other games. Those players were obviously frustrated at the game because NDSU made a comeback and took the lead and all of that got under their skin. Is it fair for our side not to be heard, their players were coming at us and saying meet me out in the parking lot.

The one thing I will apologize for is Gene Taylor's trouble he had to go through for a coach to overreact on a situation like this and for the Bison fans to get a knock in the media, because a coach is trying to cover his back and can't state the truth of the words he said back to us "you better watch it or else your ass will be whooped". I've been saying the same thing over and over to other teams and they've laughed about it with us or had small comments back at us that we both would laugh about. I asked Kempe how many points Tveidt had and he gave me the stat sheet to look at. I asked a player why he left St. Johns to go to Oakland and the whole team laughed about that. They're obviously coached right and with class, I'm sure they've heard a ton of stuff being they went and played 6 big schools this year and seen it all.

[DjKyRo]

I won't apologize for anything I said, I didn't say anything wrong at all and his players came back to bench at times pissed off from what was going on in the game, Hunter at one point was yelling at one of his players and his player was talking back to Hunter and didn't want to hear Hunter yelling at him. To say the language was bad and he hasn't heard that in his 24 years of coaching is a HUGE lie, if he hasn't heard other schools get on his players for going to IUPUI and not Indiana, Purdue, Butler or nice shot keep shooting that all night long, telling him to get off the court, telling him to put in other players he obviously is not listening at other games. Those players were obviously frustrated at the game because NDSU made a comeback and took the lead and all of that got under their skin. Is it fair for our side not to be heard, their players were coming at us and saying meet me out in the parking lot.

The one thing I will apologize for is Gene Taylor's trouble he had to go through for a coach to overreact on a situation like this and for the Bison fans to get a knock in the media, because a coach is trying to cover his back and can't state the truth of the words he said back to us "you better watch it or else your ass will be whooped". I've been saying the same thing over and over to other teams and they've laughed about it with us or had small comments back at us that we both would laugh about. I asked Kempe how many points Tveidt had and he gave me the stat sheet to look at. I asked a player why he left St. Johns to go to Oakland and the whole team laughed about that. They're obviously coached right and with class, I'm sure they've heard a ton of stuff being they went and played 6 big schools this year and seen it all.

This, foremostly that GT is getting a "bad rap" for all this (obviously he's no sort of scapegoat nor is this any sort of issue in perspective, but adding anything to his plate leaves a bad taste in my mouth.).

Above anything else, Dan Hammer has me more infuriated than anything else. Studying to be exactly what he is (a sports newscaster-guy) has taught me that it's very easy to direct a mediated interview by asking leading questions (which is obvious in hindsight), and it strikes me as strange that he leaps to "racist overtones" without an emphasis on that from Hunter. That just reeks of trying to garnish an interview with more anti-NDSU propaganda and biased journalism is just plain dirty. I respect the guy trying to make an interesting show but when it's geared against the university for his own petty reasons (whatever they are) then it's just an abuse of his position. Nevermind no one's coming forth with what Hunter or his players said (which would probably cause a bigger stink than this thing is worth, if it was credited at all), but the fact that everyone in the Fargo media is having a field day with this is just pathetic. If I wasn't a believer in "Fargo's anti-NDSU bias" before I sure as hell am now.

All in all it's going to be interesting to see what happens at the game tonight.

[56BISON73]

After reading what has come forward heres my take.
I dont think any racial slurs were said.
I think the coach blew this way out of proportion because when he was asked in the interview what was said he side stepped the issue. He also babbled about people talking about a players mom and then went on that the hecklers didnt know if she had cancer or had died etc. Big red flag there.

But on the other side of the coin--the hecklers put themselves in a no win position. I dont care if you say that stuff at every game. That doesnt mean its right. Plus they have now embarrassed the University in to taking action. Oh it makes you feel good because you got under his skin but now that this scenario if being played out you have to ask yourself---- was it worth it?
I myself have never understood why certain fans feel the need to heckle players. Does it make you as a fan feel as though you actually have a material impact on the outcome of the game and live vicariously through that interaction? Serious question because I just dont understand why people do that.

Granted this a different day and age. But I never thought sportsmanship would be out of vogue. There is a reason that many universities and professional sports teams have started to get a handle on abusive fans. They realize they have let fan behavior get out of hand to the point of abusiveness.
Are you part of the solution or part of the problem. Again---in this day and age you dont want to put yourself in a position to be part of the problem especially when the situation blows up in your face.

Im not saying its right or wrong but it is what it is and thats the reality of the situation.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

After reading what has come forward heres my take.
I dont think any racial slurs were said.
I think the coach blew this way out of proportion because when he was asked in the interview what was said he side stepped the issue. He also babbled about people talking about a players mom and then went on that the hecklers didnt know if she had cancer or had died etc. Big red flag there.

But on the other side of the coin--the hecklers put themselves in a no win position. I dont care if you say that stuff at every game. That doesnt mean its right. Plus they have now embarrassed the University in to taking action. Oh it makes you feel good because you got under his skin but now that this scenario if being played out you have to ask yourself---- was it worth it?
I myself have never understood why certain fans feel the need to heckle players. Does it make you as a fan feel as though you actually have a material impact on the outcome of the game and live vicariously through that interaction? Serious question because I just dont understand why people do that.

Granted this a different day and age. But I never thought sportsmanship would be out of vogue. There is a reason that many universities and professional sports teams have started to get a handle on abusive fans. They realize they have let fan behavior get out of hand to the point of abusiveness.
Are you part of the solution or part of the problem. Again---in this day and age you dont want to put yourself in a position to be part of the problem especially when the situation blows up in your face.

Im not saying its right or wrong but it is what it is and thats the reality of the situation.

I still don't get whats wrong with saying nice shot to #5, 42, 55 etc etc, and to keep shooting that all night, or nice foul, or to ask why they went to IUPUI and not another school, or the normal bison chants, but I guess that's just my opinion. If he had a problem with it, why didn't he say something to someone at halftime instead of possibly stopping the game which would of made a huge scene being he said we're doing it the entire game. He's trying to cover his back.

[Grizzled]

This, foremostly that GT is getting a "bad rap" for all this (obviously he's no sort of scapegoat nor is this any sort of issue in perspective, but adding anything to his plate leaves a bad taste in my mouth.).

Above anything else, Dan Hammer has me more infuriated than anything else. Studying to be exactly what he is (a sports newscaster-guy) has taught me that it's very easy to direct a mediated interview by asking leading questions (which is obvious in hindsight), and it strikes me as strange that he leaps to "racist overtones" without an emphasis on that from Hunter. That just reeks of trying to garnish an interview with more anti-NDSU propaganda and biased journalism is just plain dirty. I respect the guy trying to make an interesting show but when it's geared against the university for his own petty reasons (whatever they are) then it's just an abuse of his position. Nevermind no one's coming forth with what Hunter or his players said (which would probably cause a bigger stink than this thing is worth, if it was credited at all), but the fact that everyone in the Fargo media is having a field day with this is just pathetic. If I wasn't a believer in "Fargo's anti-NDSU bias" before I sure as hell am now.

All in all it's going to be interesting to see what happens at the game tonight.


Hunter was the first one to bring up the "racist overtones" in the interview with the only question from Hammer being "Explain what happened". While I agree that sometimes he can be a little over the top, he didn't really push this to make NDSU look bad. I thought it was actually a good interview and I'm not going to be the one to point the finger at someone else for an unfortunate story about the program. We can't always blame our problems on someone else.

Edit: Again Sav, not saying that you did actually say anything. Just responding to the interview.

[Bison"FANatic"]

We can't always blame our problems on someone else.

The way I see it is Hunter tried to make it our problem and Taylor refuted it. Said it was a non issue and quoted 4 witnesses that were sitting close to the situation that would have been sensitive to a racial slur and they back up Taylor that it was a non issue. Thus Hunters problem not ours.

Isn't part of the home field advantage the students getting on the opposing team. I don't find that unsportmanlike it is part of the game. It should not be comfortable for the players to play in the BSA. I have seen it where the students were getting on a player for missing everything and fouling and just playing horrible. Then that player finally makes a shot and he turns and looks at the student section......... The students were in his head and he wasn't paying 100% attention to the action on the floor. That is a home field advantage. I guess maybe it is just me but if the students are not swearing, using racial slurs or threatening the other team well then they are doing nothing wrong. If they are just making the other team uncomfortable well so be it. I guess they could always just sit there and break out a golf clap after each basket.

[JacksFan06]

Could be interesting if NDSU & UMKC lose tonight and it's IUPUI vs NDSU for the first round of the Summit Tourney.

[Bison bison]

That being said however, by all accounts Ron Hunter is a good man. He is the coach that started the whole coaching barefoot to raise awareness for the Samaritan's Feet charity, which donates shoes to needy children in third world countries. That reeks of character.

So if three Bison fans made a man like that, who by all accounts has plenty of integrity and character, confront them to the point that police had to be summoned and a formal complaint with the University filed, then today I am ashamed to be a Bison. You three, even if you didn't use any racial overtones, should apologize to IUPUI, to Coach Hunter and his players, and to the rest of Bison Nation.


What?

So a person who does good things is incapable of doing bad things?

And if said good person makes an accusation about the behaviors of another their claim should be accepted without question?

And you'd ask a person against an supported accusation was made to make an apology?

I say BULLSH#T to all three of these things.


How many people on Thursday clearly heard Hunter say, "Whip" and "Ass" clearly?

I'm sorry, but coaches get fired for less. Real easy to imagine hearing things AND to reframe things after events have happened especially when one's own behavior has been found wanting.

If the students were saying these things there were dozens who could and would have said something. North Dakota isn't the most diverse or sensitive place on Earth, but I can't think of a single person that I know at the University who wouldn't have taken note of the situation and I know many would have immediately addressed it.

[Bison bison]

Anybody wants to make this a real issue, email the AD at IUPUI with a statement regarding Hunter's comments toward the students. Ask for an apology.

Trust me, this guy who threatened to physically accost student fans will be changing his story fast.

[80ALUM]

For those of you who worked the entire game to get under Hunter and IUPUI's skin, well you did it. They are trying to make sure next year you are not given that opportunity.

Perception is reality . . . how many interviews are you guys getting the past few days compared to hunter? Do I believe that you said anything racial? . . . No. But what matters is the stories that Hunter will make up and tell to the League office, Indy newpapers, fargo newpapers. The next thing we know he will be telling newspapers that fans threatened to burn crosses on his lawn. If he plays the race card, does it really matter what the truth is? No, everyone will just jump to his denfense. He has the upper hand.

So maybe next time you guys could be a little smarter, so Hunter doesn't feel like he has to makeup racial stories to the press to get you guys off his back. Maybe get a popcorn and soda, watch the game, and quit with the one-on-one personal heckling. Now that we know what coach has the thinnest skin in the league, maybe you could be a little smarter. After all, "it was the worst fan behavior he had seen in his 24 years of coaching". Sure, if you say so Ron.

This.............

[GOB1SON]

What?

So a person who does good things is incapable of doing bad things?

And if said good person makes an accusation about the behaviors of another their claim should be accepted without question?

And you'd ask a person against an supported accusation was made to make an apology?

I say BULLSH#T to all three of these things.


How many people on Thursday clearly heard Hunter say, "Whip" and "Ass" clearly?

I'm sorry, but coaches get fired for less. Real easy to imagine hearing things AND to reframe things after events have happened especially when one's own behavior has been found wanting.

If the students were saying these things there were dozens who could and would have said something. North Dakota isn't the most diverse or sensitive place on Earth, but I can't think of a single person that I know at the University who wouldn't have taken note of the situation and I know many would have immediately addressed it.

No, my point was this: You are ALWAYS going to lose this battle when you go up against a guy that has the solid public perception that this coach has. Who are you going to believe, the philanthropic coach that has done a solid job and has a sterling reputation or the three guys sitting in the student section (two of which were not students) that were doing the heckling?

It is a no win situation for the Bison, regardless of who is right or wrong.

Go ahead and send your email. See what becomes of it. Hell I'll send one too. But at the end, NDSU came off like a bunch of assholes and IUPUI's coach and players came off as victims. And there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. Society has written these rules. We can't change the rules, so we need to live by them.

[SDbison]

"Reality is this is BS.......typical black minority bringing out the race card." - SDBison


Sadly your dumb racial comments are an embarrassment to the fanbase of the University that I have financially supported. Hopefully future minority recruits, who might be browsing the forum, do not lump you into the greater category of Bison fans.

Just like for Swany I will post this for you since you apparently can't think for yourself:
So if nobody actually said anything racial we have to sympathize with a minority group everytime.......you buddy have the problem and were apparently totally brainwashed someplace........
Oh yeah, call me ignorant and full of prejudice. What a sack of crap you are........

[Bison bison]

That is not true.

Five students could get together and refer to the physical threat. There were non-students in the area. Hunter, other coaches, and players would admit the statement was made.

The second that happens you have flipped the whole situation on its head. (What is bad about this is that every bigot would then say, "Yep. Look at that black coach and those black players." And that would be absolutely horrible.)

Personally, I think that Hanson should invite Hunter and the students over for a beer in the backyard.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Another thing the language that came out of our mouth wasn't swearing/cussing so I don't know where they came about that. I feel comfortable to anything I said to Hunter and the players I could walk into any bar and find the drunkest/meanest looking person there and say what was said to them and I would never expect a fight or anything to start from this.

At the end of the day actions speak louder then words and the only fact of the matter is its clear and not debatable and what hunter and players intentions were at the end of the game they were ready to fight and they were ready to start a brawl. I've listened to interviews and read the forum, did Hunter ever allege that the "3 hecklers" ever threaten physical harm or even suggest any act of violence to anyone? Apsolutely NOT

I can only speak for myself but I trust that there are many individuals on this board, ndsu security staff, ndsu staff and other spectators that can verify Ron Hunter saying "i'll whoop yo ass, you better watch yourself, i'll whoop yo ass, i'll whoop yo ass."

Furthermore instead of defusing the situation like any responsible 24 year veteran of the coaching Business, Ron Hunter instead sought further altercation when after leaving the court continued to threaten physical violence. Why couldn't Ron Hunter have brought him and his team right to the locker room, but instead he and his players stood there and furthered threatened physical violence towards the fans as a player stated "bring it to the parking lot after the game."

What kind of coach leads a group of young men (iupui players) towards physical violence? Obviously the type of coach that finds it acceptable to allege completely untrue fabrications of racial slurs, threaten fans. What kind of example is Ron Hunter trying to set for his young individuals when times get tough, that it's acceptable to lead them to threaten others with physical violence to solve their problems??? That its acceptable to make up false acquisitions of racial slurs when times get tough???

Thanks to Gene Taylor and NDSU staff and security for stopping what could have been a much worse and dangerous situation. There's no doubt in my mind that had Gene Taylor and staff had not been there that Ron Hunter would have led his team into a brawl.

[56BISON73]

I still don't get whats wrong with saying nice shot to #5, 42, 55 etc etc, and to keep shooting that all night, or nice foul, or to ask why they went to IUPUI and not another school, or the normal bison chants, but I guess that's just my opinion. If he had a problem with it, why didn't he say something to someone at halftime instead of possibly stopping the game which would of made a huge scene being he said we're doing it the entire game. He's trying to cover his back.

Sav
I understand what you are saying.
BUT---It doesnt make any difference who is right and who is wrong at this juncture. The University has a public situation that they now have to deal with. Unfortunately perception is reality because Hunter was the only person who got air time.

[Bison bison]

No, my point was this: You are ALWAYS going to lose this battle when you go up against a guy that has the solid public perception that this coach has. Who are you going to believe, the philanthropic coach that has done a solid job and has a sterling reputation or the three guys sitting in the student section (two of which were not students) that were doing the heckling?

It is a no win situation for the Bison, regardless of who is right or wrong.

Go ahead and send your email. See what becomes of it. Hell I'll send one too. But at the end, NDSU came off like a bunch of assholes and IUPUI's coach and players came off as victims. And there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. Society has written these rules. We can't change the rules, so we need to live by them.

I disagree with you strongly.

First and foremost because one's integrity is of immeasurable value.

Second, there is a story that hasn't been told. The second it is, Hunter's reputation is soiled. The dude said "Whip your ass" to a student/s. The second that phrase makes the news- things go nuclear and everybody loses.

I agree all of this is no win. That being said, Hunter should have taken the comments in stride.

[56BISON73]

Anybody wants to make this a real issue, email the AD at IUPUI with a statement regarding Hunter's comments toward the students. Ask for an apology.

Trust me, this guy who threatened to physically accost student fans will be changing his story fast.

The best Defense is sometimes the best Offense.

[HandoEX]

I think Hunter thought someone said the "N" word and his reactions seem to back that up. He does not seem like the kind of person that would get this wound up about what was actually said. If I was in his shoes and I thought I had heard someone say that, I'd probably lose my temper too. The problem is that the accused can't exactly sit down and explain that nothing was said to personally degrade someone based on race or anything like that.

[80ALUM]

Since no one seems to substantiate Hunter's claims and many do dispute what he said, I am guessing Hunter was trying to put blame on the fans in case someone made an issue of his off color comments. Sounds like "he doth protest too much"!

[MNLonghorn10]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1-QMYFBxhw

this is what you see at the big schools

:rofl: wtf was that

[56BISON73]

Another thing the language that came out of our mouth wasn't swearing/cussing so I don't know where they came about that. I feel comfortable to anything I said to Hunter and the players I could walk into any bar and find the drunkest/meanest looking person there and say what was said to them and I would never expect a fight or anything to start from this.

At the end of the day actions speak louder then words and the only fact of the matter is its clear and not debatable and what hunter and players intentions were at the end of the game they were ready to fight and they were ready to start a brawl. I've listened to interviews and read the forum, did Hunter ever allege that the "3 hecklers" ever threaten physical harm or even suggest any act of violence to anyone? Apsolutely NOT

I can only speak for myself but I trust that there are many individuals on this board, ndsu security staff, ndsu staff and other spectators that can verify Ron Hunter saying "i'll whoop yo ass, you better watch yourself, i'll whoop yo ass, i'll whoop yo ass."

Furthermore instead of defusing the situation like any responsible 24 year veteran of the coaching Business, Ron Hunter instead sought further altercation when after leaving the court continued to threaten physical violence. Why couldn't Ron Hunter have brought him and his team right to the locker room, but instead he and his players stood there and furthered threatened physical violence towards the fans as a player stated "bring it to the parking lot after the game."

What kind of coach leads a group of young men (iupui players) towards physical violence? Obviously the type of coach that finds it acceptable to allege completely untrue fabrications of racial slurs, threaten fans. What kind of example is Ron Hunter trying to set for his young individuals when times get tough, that it's acceptable to lead them to threaten others with physical violence to solve their problems??? That its acceptable to make up false acquisitions of racial slurs when times get tough???

Thanks to Gene Taylor and NDSU staff and security for stopping what could have been a much worse and dangerous situation. There's no doubt in my mind that had Gene Taylor and staff had not been there that Ron Hunter would have led his team into a brawl.

Send this post to IUPUI. That way at least you have a voice.

[Bison bison]

If anything racial was said or not, a professional threatened physical violence against a student.

Hunter violated the code of all professionals -> you never get to screw up. You might be great at everything, at a few things, at nothing - but you never screw up.

Decades of work can disappear in a second for making a single poor decision, modern society loves nothing more than a person making a mistake. They jump on it like jackals and ride it like a rented mule.

[IzzyFlexion]

Possible conspiracy theory: (regarding the post-game activities)
1. Minor brew-ha-ha between some fans and IUPUI coaches and players.
2. These fans just happen to be hardcore Bisonville members.
3. This post game event is documented in real time on the IUPUI GDT.
4. Common denominator(s) (having both affiliations with Hammer and B-Ville) read the frivolity on the GDT.
5. Hammer camp if fully aware of the fact that both Dan and his show have long been the target of much negative discussion on B-Ville.
6. An opportunity is quickly realized by Dan and his army to use his mouthpiece to mount a quick and sensational offensive since it would likely cause some discomfort and tension among Bisonvillers.

Also, 911 was an inside job and JFK is still alive and living with Elvis.:D

[Bison bison]

I'm sure that someone in the BSA, at the League office, and in Indiana will be reading all of this as well.

[unbison]

Just like for Swany I will post this for you since you apparently can't think for yourself:
So if nobody actually said anything racial we have to sympathize with a minority group everytime.......you buddy have the problem and were apparently totally brainwashed someplace........
Oh yeah, call me ignorant and full of prejudice. What a sack of crap you are........

If you dont find anything wrong in generalizing what minorities do.........then i will generalize a sdbison post as all having a half empty opinion in them

[SDbison]

Another thing the language that came out of our mouth wasn't swearing/cussing so I don't know where they came about that. I feel comfortable to anything I said to Hunter and the players I could walk into any bar and find the drunkest/meanest looking person there and say what was said to them and I would never expect a fight or anything to start from this.

At the end of the day actions speak louder then words and the only fact of the matter is its clear and not debatable and what hunter and players intentions were at the end of the game they were ready to fight and they were ready to start a brawl. I've listened to interviews and read the forum, did Hunter ever allege that the "3 hecklers" ever threaten physical harm or even suggest any act of violence to anyone? Apsolutely NOT

I can only speak for myself but I trust that there are many individuals on this board, ndsu security staff, ndsu staff and other spectators that can verify Ron Hunter saying "i'll whoop yo ass, you better watch yourself, i'll whoop yo ass, i'll whoop yo ass."

Furthermore instead of defusing the situation like any responsible 24 year veteran of the coaching Business, Ron Hunter instead sought further altercation when after leaving the court continued to threaten physical violence. Why couldn't Ron Hunter have brought him and his team right to the locker room, but instead he and his players stood there and furthered threatened physical violence towards the fans as a player stated "bring it to the parking lot after the game."

What kind of coach leads a group of young men (iupui players) towards physical violence? Obviously the type of coach that finds it acceptable to allege completely untrue fabrications of racial slurs, threaten fans. What kind of example is Ron Hunter trying to set for his young individuals when times get tough, that it's acceptable to lead them to threaten others with physical violence to solve their problems??? That its acceptable to make up false acquisitions of racial slurs when times get tough???

Thanks to Gene Taylor and NDSU staff and security for stopping what could have been a much worse and dangerous situation. There's no doubt in my mind that had Gene Taylor and staff had not been there that Ron Hunter would have led his team into a brawl.
Great points Sav!
We all know in this PC world that the public doesn't give a rip about the truth....they want a sound bite, some issue, some blown out of proportion thing to rally their cause around.
What really sucks is nobody seems to really want hear the facts.
One thing is for sure, Hunter has a problem.

[SDbison]

If you dont find anything wrong in generalizing what minorities do.........then i will generalize a sdbison post as all having a half empty opinion in them
I can generalize you are a worthless piece of crap too.
Seems too often minorities play the "woe is me role" when there is no substance to the story. Just like in this case. Not just talking about blacks here either.

[SDbison]

If anything racial was said or not, a professional threatened physical violence against a student.

Hunter violated the code of all professionals -> you never get to screw up. You might be great at everything, at a few things, at nothing - but you never screw up.

Decades of work can disappear in a second for making a single poor decision, modern society loves nothing more than a person making a mistake. They jump on it like jackals and ride it like a rented mule.
You forget, Hunter is a black guy so he cannot be accused of doing wrong. If you accuse him of doing wrong you are are a racist. Again, PC rules prevail.

[SlickVic]

I don't care what was said. I am pretty sure there wasn't anything racial, or else someone would have come forward with the word. "Racial Overtones" is just a way to get the media's attention.

You have to be aware of the world you are living in. When your immature behavior (and unfortunately, much of the definition of fandom is steeped with immaturity) creates a black eye and finds the top fold of the morning news in two cities, then it is time to say "you know, maybe I did screw this up".


ultimately this situation created negative work for gene taylor and for that i am sorry...i stopped by the bsa yesterday to apologize..he wasn't available but called me back...i told him i was sorry but that nothing racially was EVER said...he then gave me Ron Hunters office number and I called and apologized for the situation...i want to say one more time...i apologize for making work for gene for bringing neg press to ndsu but nothing racially was said. sorry.

[Grizzled]

You forget, Hunter is a black guy so he cannot be accused of doing wrong. If you accuse him of doing wrong you are are a racist. Again, PC rules prevail.

Stay classy SD.

[Tatanka]

Speaking of negative press towards NDSU, here's some food for thought: If you think this incident is bad/overblown/unfortunate, this all is a drop in the olympic-sized pool that will exist when we play UND.

No matter the actual circumstances or outcome, it will be NDSU taking a black eye in the eyes of many if any visitor from the school to the north is slighted in any way. It will be the most media-scrutinized event of the decade. The Dan Hammers and Mike McFeelys of the world are sporting a micro-chub just thinking about it. Count on it.

[SDbison]

ultimately this situation created negative work for gene taylor and for that i am sorry...i stopped by the bsa yesterday to apologize..he wasn't available but called me back...i told him i was sorry but that nothing racially was EVER said...he then gave me Ron Hunters office number and I called and apologized for the situation...i want to say one more time...i apologize for making work for gene for bringing neg press to ndsu but nothing racially was said. sorry.
Thanks for doing this Slick. I agree we all know how this put Gene in a bad situation and understand he has to do some image related damage control. The best part is your call to Hunters office. Hope the guy feels a bit guilty for raising a stink about close to nothing, but I doubt it. Seems heckeling the other teams bench is normal college student behavior these days and Hunter just saw an opportunity to bad mouth NDSU. Wish this never happened because now the BSA Nazis will be created and out in full force to monitor ever little word that is uttered at a game.
From now on you go to the game and stand up to cheer only when told to do so by the announcer. Keep hands nicely folded in lap only occasionally interrupted by a genuine golf clap. Don't think to get involved in the game and be sure to have a nice social event type discussion with people sitting next to you. File in and out of the building in an orderly fashion like a bunch of programmed robots. Thank you.
Remember this is not so bad.......the thought police have yet to arrive.

[tjbison]

ultimately this situation created negative work for gene taylor and for that i am sorry...i stopped by the bsa yesterday to apologize..he wasn't available but called me back...i told him i was sorry but that nothing racially was EVER said...he then gave me Ron Hunters office number and I called and apologized for the situation...i want to say one more time...i apologize for making work for gene for bringing neg press to ndsu but nothing racially was said. sorry.


reps to you Slick, bet this wont get printed in the forum

[SDbison]

Stay classy SD.
Yep i am.......just calling out all the whiney sensitive types that think some groups require preferrential treatment.

[Burnt_Secondary]

This is a non event people, I wouldn't worry about it. I have a feeling that iupui makes these mole hills into mountains all the time.

Really makes me see Oakland as the class organization of the Summit.

And as far as the Forum goes I don't think anyone under 80 takes that paper seriously.

[unbison]

I can generalize you are a worthless piece of crap too.
Seems too often minorities play the "woe is me role" when there is no substance to the story. Just like in this case. Not just talking about blacks here either.

Thanks if you think i am a piece of crap that makes me very proud of my point of view!
would hate to be considered a racist biggot as you come off posting you broad generalizations!

[SDbison]

Thanks if you think i am a piece of crap that makes me very proud of my point of view!
would hate to be considered a racist biggot as you come off posting you broad generalizations!
Ask anybody who knows me, which you don't, I am not a "racist bigot", but you, like Mr Hunter, like to throw accusations around.
I have my opinion on this, just like you, and my belief is everybody should get treated fairly. In this case the question is did the heckling go too far? Without racist or profane remarks I think not? Seems there are many in the area (other professionals) that said none of the thing Hunter said were said. Looking at the way Mr Hunter acted during the game I would tend to doubt his story.

[Burnt_Secondary]

BTW, just like the UND game rumor we have spent 10 pages on a non event . . .

[GOB1SON]

I disagree with you strongly.

First and foremost because one's integrity is of immeasurable value.

Second, there is a story that hasn't been told. The second it is, Hunter's reputation is soiled. The dude said "Whip your ass" to a student/s. The second that phrase makes the news- things go nuclear and everybody loses.

I agree all of this is no win. That being said, Hunter should have taken the comments in stride.

I guess I understand what you are saying. As a whole, Hunter should have let it slide, especially if there wasn't anything said that wasn't PC.

I am not excusing his behavior. Just dissapointed that it had to come to this, with a news story that reflects poorly on NDSU.

However I am also not excusing the hecklers behavior. Apparently a line was crossed, because he travels to 12-15 arena's each year, and I can't find (via google news) any other times that this particular coach decided to take something said personally.

Let's just all be smarter.

[Bison_Pride]

I can generalize you are a worthless piece of crap too.
Seems too often minorities play the "woe is me role" when there is no substance to the story. Just like in this case. Not just talking about blacks here either.

What kind of jackass goes around spreading negative racial stereotypes about "typical black minorities" playing the race card on a fan forum for a school he supposedly supports? One that is also trying to actively recruit black athletes here. I would have you banned immediately from this forum, there is no need for racial slurs here, free speech or not. My son happens to be attending NDSU next year and he is one of those "typical black minorities" of which you have stereotyped. He is better at handling someone like you who has never been off the farm in South Dakota before (and a real sack of crap) I hope you are banned permanently from this board. At least Lakes wasn't an outright racist. I will be asking admin to do the right thing in this situation.

[unbison]

Ask anybody who knows me, which you don't, I am not a "racist bigot", but you, like Mr Hunter, like to throw accusations around.
I have my opinion on this, just like you, and my belief is everybody should get treated fairly. In this case the question is did the heckling go too far? Without racist or profane remarks I think not? Seems there are many in the area (other professionals) that said none of the thing Hunter said were said. Looking at the way Mr Hunter acted during the game I would tend to doubt his story.

I was remarking on your insane comment that minorities always do this! I have said that they guys did not say these kind of things. However your narrow mind cannot get around this! Your comment as a minimum of 5 people pointed out is way out there!

[GOB1SON]

ultimately this situation created negative work for gene taylor and for that i am sorry...i stopped by the bsa yesterday to apologize..he wasn't available but called me back...i told him i was sorry but that nothing racially was EVER said...he then gave me Ron Hunters office number and I called and apologized for the situation...i want to say one more time...i apologize for making work for gene for bringing neg press to ndsu but nothing racially was said. sorry.

That was very classy. Thanks!

[tjbison]

What kind of jackass goes around spreading negative racial stereotypes about "typical black minorities" playing the race card on a fan forum for a school he supposedly supports? One that is also trying to actively recruit black athletes here. I would have you banned immediately from this forum, there is no need for racial slurs here, free speech or not. My son happens to be attending NDSU next year and he is one of those "typical black minorities" of which you have stereotyped. He is better at handling someone like you who has never been off the farm in South Dakota before (and a real sack of crap) I hope you are banned permanently from this board. At least Lakes wasn't an outright racist. I will be asking admin to do the right thing in this situation.

Pride, thanks for your son choosing NDSU, its a quality school, and has a great fanbase. I can tell you that racial issues are not a common problem at all, and hopefully you don't think negatively about the entire Fanbase, this "issue" is overblown big time

[SDbison]

I was remarking on your insane comment that minorities always do this! I have said that they guys did not say these kind of things. However your narrow mind cannot get around this! Your comment as a minimum of 5 people pointed out is way out there!
Again calling out your misquote.........never said minorities always do this......I said it was a typical of the blame others that minorities do too often.
Sorry, but you have the narrow brainwashed mind unbison.

[unbison]

Again calling out your misquote.........never said minorities always do this......I said it was a typical of the blame others that minorities do too often.
Sorry, but you have the narrow brainwashed mind unbison.

if it was typical and not always it is still ridicoulos...........................wow
:banghead:
and i am gonna quit argueing with the ignorant

[SDbison]

What kind of jackass goes around spreading negative racial stereotypes about "typical black minorities" playing the race card on a fan forum for a school he supposedly supports? One that is also trying to actively recruit black athletes here. I would have you banned immediately from this forum, there is no need for racial slurs here, free speech or not. My son happens to be attending NDSU next year and he is one of those "typical black minorities" of which you have stereotyped. He is better at handling someone like you who has never been off the farm in South Dakota before (and a real sack of crap) I hope you are banned permanently from this board. At least Lakes wasn't an outright racist. I will be asking admin to do the right thing in this situation.
Mr Hunter made the "racist" accusation first that is apparently not true.
Yeah, play your trump card.........
Where did I make a racial slur here......where?

[Bison_Pride]

Pride, thanks for your son choosing NDSU, its a quality school, and has a great fanbase. I can tell you that racial issues are not a common problem at all, and hopefully you don't think negatively about the entire Fanbase, this "issue" is overblown big time


Thank you. I know what a great school it is, I've spent some of my best years on this campus (graduated '93) and I was proud when he said this is where he wanted to go. I trust he will also have some great times as a student here including attending Bison games.

[Grizzled]

Yep i am.......just calling out all the whiney sensitive types that think some groups require preferrential treatment.

And your doing it in a way that represents the fanbase and NDSU the best way possible. No one said anything about anyone asking for preferrential treatment. Your the one that brought that up.

[SlickVic]

Another thing the language that came out of our mouth wasn't swearing/cussing so I don't know where they came about that. I feel comfortable to anything I said to Hunter and the players I could walk into any bar and find the drunkest/meanest looking person there and say what was said to them and I would never expect a fight or anything to start from this.

At the end of the day actions speak louder then words and the only fact of the matter is its clear and not debatable and what hunter and players intentions were at the end of the game they were ready to fight and they were ready to start a brawl. I've listened to interviews and read the forum, did Hunter ever allege that the "3 hecklers" ever threaten physical harm or even suggest any act of violence to anyone? Apsolutely NOT

I can only speak for myself but I trust that there are many individuals on this board, ndsu security staff, ndsu staff and other spectators that can verify Ron Hunter saying "i'll whoop yo ass, you better watch yourself, i'll whoop yo ass, i'll whoop yo ass."

Furthermore instead of defusing the situation like any responsible 24 year veteran of the coaching Business, Ron Hunter instead sought further altercation when after leaving the court continued to threaten physical violence. Why couldn't Ron Hunter have brought him and his team right to the locker room, but instead he and his players stood there and furthered threatened physical violence towards the fans as a player stated "bring it to the parking lot after the game."

What kind of coach leads a group of young men (iupui players) towards physical violence? Obviously the type of coach that finds it acceptable to allege completely untrue fabrications of racial slurs, threaten fans. What kind of example is Ron Hunter trying to set for his young individuals when times get tough, that it's acceptable to lead them to threaten others with physical violence to solve their problems??? That its acceptable to make up false acquisitions of racial slurs when times get tough???

Thanks to Gene Taylor and NDSU staff and security for stopping what could have been a much worse and dangerous situation. There's no doubt in my mind that had Gene Taylor and staff had not been there that Ron Hunter would have led his team into a brawl.

the fact of the matter is that sports at any level offers various opportunities to teach and learn valuable life lessons...as i posted earlyer as soon as i woke up friday morning which im not going to lie was around 1 or 2 clock i was in gene taylors office apologizing...i have learned my lesson out of this and more than owned up to my mistake not only for myself but mainly on behalf of all associated with bison athletics i offered a sincere apology to both gene taylor and ron hunter...ultimatley it was an unfortunate situation...there is none who are perfect no not one regardless of how many shoes ron hunter has donated i agree with savs post whole heartidly...what saddens me the most about this situation (and it really is none of my buisness but this is bisonville) is that it is ron hunters responsibility as a head coach weather he likes it or not to teach those young men and members of his team valuable life lessons through their experiences with the game of basketball...any coach at any level is highly respected and regarded as multiple things to many people weather it be a father figure mentor or simply an adult in authority who holds a person responsible for their actions right or wrong...it is what it is but that is the definition of a coach especially in college athletics...regardless of any particular players race they all signed up for and deserved to have ron hunter act responsibly and make the most of a bad situation thursday night by teaching them important life lessons which would have or could have stuck with them long after their ability to play the game of basketball...namely that resorting to violence or in this case threats of violence is never an acceptable act under any circumstance exept in a life or death situation...im sorry thursday night was not a life or death situation...secondly and most importantly as it pertains to this perticular situation false accusations are never acceptable regardless of what one has done wrong to you...it is what it is but the bottom line is ron used an undoubtably unfortunate situation for both his own personal gain and also i believe to smear the reputation around the league and region of bison athletics and that is the definition of reprehensible...i disagree with the notion that nothing good can come out of this tho...gene taylor and ndsu have already made good out of it by announcing additional security behind the visitors bench...but most importantly i sincerly believe that ron has had time to reflect on this situation and speak with his team about the reprocustions and consequences of resorting to threats of violence and false accusations against another...even tho my personal integrity was never in jeporidy (unless you count bisonville and who in their right mind would) i am willing to forgive and forget with ron and like i told him on his voice mail i made a mistake and hopefully he will accept my apology and shake my hand like a man in sioux falls...id go in for the chest bump but i wouldnt want hammer to have him on after we send them packing home from south dakota saying he was physically assulted ;)

[cvbison1]

the fact of the matter is that sports at any level offers various opportunities to teach and learn valuable life lessons...as i posted earlyer as soon as i woke up friday morning which im not going to lie was around 1 or 2 clock i was in gene taylors office apologizing...i have learned my lesson out of this and more than owned up to my mistake not only for myself but mainly on behalf of all associated with bison athletics i offered a sincere apology to both gene taylor and ron hunter...ultimatley it was an unfortunate situation...there is none who are perfect no not one regardless of how many shoes ron hunter has donated i agree with savs post whole heartidly...what saddens me the most about this situation (and it really is none of my buisness but this is bisonville) is that it is ron hunters responsibility as a head coach weather he likes it or not to teach those young men and members of his team valuable life lessons through their experiences with the game of basketball...any coach at any level is highly respected and regarded as multiple things to many people weather it be a father figure mentor or simply an adult in authority who holds a person responsible for their actions or wrong...it is what it is but that is the definition of a coach especially in college athletics...regardless of any particular players race they all signed up for and deserved to have ron hunter act responsibly and make the most of a bad situation thursday night by teaching them important life lessons which would have or could have stuck with them long after their ability to play the game of basketball...namely that resorting to violence or in this case threats of violence is never an acceptable act under any circumstance exept in a life or death situation...im sorry thursday night was not a life or death situation...secondly and most importantly as it pertains to this perticular situation false accusations are never acceptable regardless of what one has done wrong to you...it is what it is but the bottom line is ron used an undoubtably unfortunate situation for both his own personal gain and also i believe to smear the reputation around the league and region of bison athletics and that is the definition of reprehensible...i disagree with the notion that nothing good can come out of this tho...gene taylor and ndsu have already made good out of it by announcing additional security behind the visitors bench...but most importantly i sincerly hope that ron has had time to reflect on this situation and speak with his team about the reprocustions and consequences of resorting to threats of violence and false accusations against another...even tho my personal integrity was never in jeporidy (unless you count bisonville and who in their right mind would) i am willing to forgive and forget with ron and like i told him on his voice mail i made a mistake and hopefully he will accept my apology and shake my hand like a man in sioux falls...id go in for the chest bump but i wouldnt want hammer to have him on after we send them packing home from south dakota saying he was physically assulted ;)

is the picture on your signature line some kind of racist joke?

[OrygunBison]

I can generalize you are a worthless piece of crap too.

Pardon me, but how is this type of behavior allowed to continue on this board? If you ban Lakes for his behavior, then this cannot be tolerated either.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

is the picture on your signature line some kind of racist joke?

wtf is your problem, you enjoy being a prick?

[ndsubison1]

For those of you who worked the entire game to get under Hunter and IUPUI's skin, well you did it. They are trying to make sure next year you are not given that opportunity.

Perception is reality . . . how many interviews are you guys getting the past few days compared to hunter? Do I believe that you said anything racial? . . . No. But what matters is the stories that Hunter will make up and tell to the League office, Indy newpapers, fargo newpapers. The next thing we know he will be telling newspapers that fans threatened to burn crosses on his lawn. If he plays the race card, does it really matter what the truth is? No, everyone will just jump to his denfense. He has the upper hand.

So maybe next time you guys could be a little smarter, so Hunter doesn't feel like he has to makeup racial stories to the press to get you guys off his back. Maybe get a popcorn and soda, watch the game, and quit with the one-on-one personal heckling. Now that we know what coach has the thinnest skin in the league, maybe you could be a little smarter. After all, "it was the worst fan behavior he had seen in his 24 years of coaching". Sure, if you say so Ron.

This is correct. I promise I'll tone it down. I know Sav will too. Even though we feel what we did isn't that bad it's still in the paper and the news. Now people will look at it and it will give NDSU a black eye just because of some people trying to have some fun and heckle with the opposing team. I guess you can't even do that anymore. But I promise this wont happen again. We didn't mean to draw attention from the media. We obviously never intended it to be like this. I just hope we can move on from and let it go cuz it's getting really annoying.

[tjbison]

the fact of the matter is that sports at any level offers various opportunities to teach and learn valuable life lessons...as i posted earlyer as soon as i woke up friday morning which im not going to lie was around 1 or 2 clock i was in gene taylors office apologizing...i have learned my lesson out of this and more than owned up to my mistake not only for myself but mainly on behalf of all associated with bison athletics i offered a sincere apology to both gene taylor and ron hunter...ultimatley it was an unfortunate situation...there is none who are perfect no not one regardless of how many shoes ron hunter has donated i agree with savs post whole heartidly...what saddens me the most about this situation (and it really is none of my buisness but this is bisonville) is that it is ron hunters responsibility as a head coach weather he likes it or not to teach those young men and members of his team valuable life lessons through their experiences with the game of basketball...any coach at any level is highly respected and regarded as multiple things to many people weather it be a father figure mentor or simply an adult in authority who holds a person responsible for their actions right or wrong...it is what it is but that is the definition of a coach especially in college athletics...regardless of any particular players race they all signed up for and deserved to have ron hunter act responsibly and make the most of a bad situation thursday night by teaching them important life lessons which would have or could have stuck with them long after their ability to play the game of basketball...namely that resorting to violence or in this case threats of violence is never an acceptable act under any circumstance exept in a life or death situation...im sorry thursday night was not a life or death situation...secondly and most importantly as it pertains to this perticular situation false accusations are never acceptable regardless of what one has done wrong to you...it is what it is but the bottom line is ron used an undoubtably unfortunate situation for both his own personal gain and also i believe to smear the reputation around the league and region of bison athletics and that is the definition of reprehensible...i disagree with the notion that nothing good can come out of this tho...gene taylor and ndsu have already made good out of it by announcing additional security behind the visitors bench...but most importantly i sincerly believe that ron has had time to reflect on this situation and speak with his team about the reprocustions and consequences of resorting to threats of violence and false accusations against another...even tho my personal integrity was never in jeporidy (unless you count bisonville and who in their right mind would) i am willing to forgive and forget with ron and like i told him on his voice mail i made a mistake and hopefully he will accept my apology and shake my hand like a man in sioux falls...id go in for the chest bump but i wouldnt want hammer to have him on after we send them packing home from south dakota saying he was physically assulted ;)

Can't help but laugh, need a little humor in this situation, again Slick your the bigger man for apologizing on your own.

[IzzyFlexion]

Even though I only know Slick electronically, an act of contrition in this situation is very difficult. It says an awful lot about his character especially since he took the extra step in contacting Coach Hunter. We've all done things that we've been sorry for and in this instance, Slick manned up. Proud of you Slickster.
The B-Ville system won't let me rep you, but I trust that many others already have.

[Notorious]

If what SAV says is true, Hunter should be fired, or at a minimum suspended for the remainder of the year...quite a leader and mentor to young men. My guess is that their AD doesn't have the balls to get the truth. GT would have someone's ass if this was the other way around.

[JackJD]

He is better at handling someone like you who has never been off the farm in South Dakota before (and a real sack of crap) I hope you are banned permanently from this board. At least Lakes wasn't an outright racist. I will be asking admin to do the right thing in this situation.

Only commenting on one point in your excellent post: ...please leave the State of South Dakota out of this! SDBison has been very clear on his hatred of living and working in SD.

Carry on.

[Notorious]

Also, while I cannot agree with SDs rantings, if there was not a racial slur uttered by the "boys", then Hunter was well aware of what he was doing. I then ask my fellow bisonvillers, why would he do that?

[HandoEX]

Also, while I cannot agree with SDs rantings, if there was not racial slur uttered by the "boys", then Hunter was well aware of what he was doing. I then ask my fellow bisonvillers, why would he do that?

He mis-heard.

[Notorious]

He mis-heard.

Right....and blow jobs don't count as sex/cheating.

[80ALUM]

Also, while I cannot agree with SDs rantings, if there was not a racial slur uttered by the "boys", then Hunter was well aware of what he was doing. I then ask my fellow bisonvillers, why would he do that?

Maybe he was frustrated with his team and needed someone to take it out on. He must have thought they were getting to his players and couldn't risk NDSU having dedicated fans at the Summit. And also to cover his butt for saying things he should not have said. He, afterall, is the professional. We all know college kids can be crazy so cut them some slack whether you are the coach or anyone other adult in the working world.

[56BISON73]

ultimately this situation created negative work for gene taylor and for that i am sorry...i stopped by the bsa yesterday to apologize..he wasn't available but called me back...i told him i was sorry but that nothing racially was EVER said...he then gave me Ron Hunters office number and I called and apologized for the situation...i want to say one more time...i apologize for making work for gene for bringing neg press to ndsu but nothing racially was said. sorry.

Slick.
That was pretty classy to apologize when you basically didnt do anything wrong.
Kudos to you!!!!

[56BISON73]

Also, while I cannot agree with SDs rantings, if there was not a racial slur uttered by the "boys", then Hunter was well aware of what he was doing. I then ask my fellow bisonvillers, why would he do that?

Hunter lost control. Then in a moment of "OH SHIT what did I just do"
he went in to damage control. Even though he never said there were racial slurs when he was asked if there were racial slurs he said he didnt want to go there. So he really never said that there were but by not saying that there werent he inferred that there was without lying.
He took the heat off of himself.

[semobison]

I played college b ball and coached high school for 8 years. There have been hecklers forever! I never could understand why! I always thought it was to bring attention to themselves. No matter what the situation was, it brought negative publicity to our school and fans. I agree with the title of this post!

[missingnumber7]

Am I mistaken or did Hunter not raise the same issue either last year or the year before? Or was it another hoops team?

[WYOBISONMAN]

Good god.......thread gone wrong.....:smh: