BSA Sucks

[SDbison]

The BSA is embarassing, period! It is not a facility that a state school in DI should ever have to play in. Downright shameful.
Some of the lowpoints:
1970 Building.....almost 40 years old. (OK for NAIA, below average for DII, ghetto for DI)
Crap layout for basketball....love the roof trusses and pillars in the sight lines of seat back chairs.
Center scoreboard that can't be seen or utilized properly.....so low to court that end to end passes are restricted.
Poor concessions set up....kind of like going to the county fair, only not enough vendors.
Inadequate bathrooms.....one small womens and one small mens bathroom on main floor.
Awful A/C system.........80 to 90 degrees is not acceptable for fans or players
Horrendous P/A system......So weak it must have been a home system purchased at Radio Shack on sale.
Hear that state of North Dakota and NDSU.......you were represented at the NCAA tournamant and this is what you have for a basketball arena.....laughable!

[NDSUguy]

simmer down a little... This has been discussed at length in other threads...

I sure hope you didn't have an aneurysm.

[tjbison]

The BSA is embarassing, period! It is not a facility that a state school in DI should ever have to play in. Downright shameful.
Some of the lowpoints:
1970 Building.....almost 40 years old. (OK for NAIA, below average for DII, ghetto for DI)
Crap layout for basketball....love the roof trusses and pillars in the sight lines of seat back chairs.
Center scoreboard that can't be seen or utilized properly.....so low to court that end to end passes are restricted.
Poor concessions set up....kind of like going to the county fair, only not enough vendors.
Inadequate bathrooms.....one small womens and one small mens bathroom on main floor.
Awful A/C system.........80 to 90 degrees is not acceptable for fans or players
Horrendous P/A system......So weak it must have been a home system purchased at Radio Shack on sale.
Hear that state of North Dakota and NDSU.......you were represented at the NCAA tournamant and this is what you have for a basketball arena.....laughable!

and a surplus so large the state could build every State College a new facility:hide:


I know we have beat this BSA subject to death, but I agree

[lakesbison]

SD. my personal favorite, the whole 2nd half of idaho game.

the PA would screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech a high pitched sound about every 3 minutes.

unbison leaned over and yelled "someone kick SLICKS boombox, its schreeching!!"


what an absolute joke of a stadium. (not to mention the students that dont give a crap and just sit there, heck, they don't even stand for the school song!")

[TheBisonator]

You're preaching to the choir, man...

[lakesbison]

UC davis has a sweet arena!! how hard is this ?!?!

we are an engineeering school and const Mgmt and we cant build a 7000 bball arena for cheap and with our current students?

[johnson]

What is the status of the renovation of the BSA? Has Gene talked to anyone at Sanford?

[TheBisonator]

What is the status of the renovation of the BSA? Has Gene talked to anyone at Sanford?

I asked Gene about it, and he wouldn't talk to me about it.

[ndsubison1]

and a surplus so large the state could build every State College a new facility:hide:




What does ND have that all other states don't?

A surplus ;)

[NDSUstudent]

I asked Gene about it, and he wouldn't talk to me about it.

Hmmmmm....sounds like something is brewing.

[TheBisonator]

Hmmmmm....sounds like something is brewing.

I don't know, it seemed to me like he wasn't in the mood for talking at that time. I tried talking to Troy Goergen about it, but it seems like Troy isn't as "in the loop" as I thought. I'll try asking Gene again some other time.

[NDSUstudent]

I don't know, it seemed to me like he wasn't in the mood for talking at that time. I tried talking to Troy Goergen about it, but it seems like Troy isn't as "in the loop" as I thought. I'll try asking Gene again some other time.

Well, I will still hold out hope that they are just keeping it hush-hush until it is a done deal and that is why Gene wouldn't talk and Troy acted like he didn't know.

[Burnt_Secondary]

From lastnights game lets add a non-working center court scoreboard to the mix.:ranting:

Stupid BSA . . . .

[ILBISON]

No center court scoreboard, no seats, sound systems is a boombox, its squeels from time to time, its too hot, it smells, 1 concession stand, the domino's booth gives you a 3 inch slice of pizza for $2.50. popcorn is cold. the 50/50 raffle never gets over $500

and THE STUDENT SECTION SUCKS!

[Bison bison]

From lastnights game lets add a non-working center court scoreboard to the mix.:ranting:

Stupid BSA . . . .

Apparently you don't know the story.

The video to the scoreboard is sent wireless.

Someone figured this out and hijacked the system so when the board is turned on it plays whatever this 'someone' wants.

At first it was Simpson reruns, then Bollywood movies, and for the 48 hours hardcore pornography.

Not sure how they're going to fix the situation...

[TheBisonator]

Apparently you don't know the story.

The video to the scoreboard is sent wireless.

Someone figured this out and hijacked the system so when the board is turned on it plays whatever this 'someone' wants.

At first it was Simpson reruns, then Bollywood movies, and for the 48 hours hardcore pornography.

Not sure how they're going to fix the situation...

THERE'S THE TICKET!!! This is how we increase our attendance fivefold!!! People will want to come to the BSA on a frozen Tuesday night to see the Bison play Valley City if they know a screening of "Meat Me In St. Louis" is showing!!! Now all of a sudden the BSA isn't such a shitty arena...

[Herd]

THERE'S THE TICKET!!! This is how we increase our attendance fivefold!!! People will want to come to the BSA on a frozen Tuesday night to see the Bison play Valley City if they know a screening of "Meat Me In St. Louis" is showing!!! Now all of a sudden the BSA isn't such a shitty arena...

Can you say "sellout"!

[ndsubison1]

No center court scoreboard, no seats, sound systems is a boombox, its squeels from time to time, its too hot, it smells, 1 concession stand, the domino's booth gives you a 3 inch slice of pizza for $2.50. popcorn is cold. the 50/50 raffle never gets over $500

and THE STUDENT SECTION SUCKS!

there's more than 1 concession, check behind the upper deck seating next time :)

[TbonZach]

there's more than 1 concession, check behind the upper deck seating next time :)

I like going to that one. The pep band gets a free hot dog, chips, and drink. I went there after halftime and got a brat (out of dogs) and watched the dance line practice. Very good concession stand indeed. :nod:

[duluthbison]

Apparently you don't know the story.

The video to the scoreboard is sent wireless.

Someone figured this out and hijacked the system so when the board is turned on it plays whatever this 'someone' wants.

At first it was Simpson reruns, then Bollywood movies, and for the 48 hours hardcore pornography.

Not sure how they're going to fix the situation...

That just seems way too strange, I spoke with a IT Security Officer at the Help Desk today when I was at work and he said that he hadn't heard of anything up there.

[DjKyRo]

....and watched the dance line practice.

On a brat also??? :D

(Had to do it)

[TbonZach]

On a brat also??? :D

FREE PORN!!!!!

Sorry....inside joke.

[BigDeal]

I like going to that one. The pep band gets a free hot dog, chips, and drink. I went there after halftime and got a brat (out of dogs) and watched the dance line practice. Very good concession stand indeed. :nod:

What the crap? Now you guys get a free bag of chips in addition to a hot dog and a pop? I can see why we're in a recession.

[TbonZach]

What the crap? Now you guys get a free bag of chips in addition to a hot dog and a pop? I can see why we're in a recession.

If it makes you feel better I never get the chips.

[SDbison]

Back on topic.......The BSA really SUCKS! How many years will Bison fans and players have be in that craphole? Just ashamed that the college I graduated from, a DI state school, has such an inferior facility. Any bets on how long until the BSA improvements gets done or a new Arena is built?
1. BSA Improvements:
a) Within next 2 years (not much chance this happens the way things are going)
b) Between 2 and 4 years from now (maybe, if someone at NDSU makes a decision)
c) Between 4 and 6 years from now (this could happen if foot dragging continues)
d) More than 6 years from now (might just as well drop basketball)

2. New Arena:
a) Between 2 and 4 years from now (Low probability as need $$$ and approval real soon)
b) Between 4 and 6 years from now (Maybe, if the stars align and a big donor steps up)
c) Between 6 and 8 years from now (Best chance if it's ever going to happen)
d) More than 8 years from now (Might just as well be never. Even the other dumps in the Summit will be replaced by then).

[ndsubison1]

this thread and the posts in here are preaching to the choir

[Tatanka]

this thread and the posts in here are preaching to the choir

and the altar boys.

[roadwarrior]

How many years will Bison fans and players have be in that craphole?

Its a very simple answer: Money

Everybody, and I mean everybody, agrees that the place is embarassing. Every fan that attends games and every NDSU employee that sets foot in that building. The problem is nobody has stepped forward with a bunch of money to build a new place. The people in the area that have the money have been wined and dined for many years. Unfortunately nobody has yet to feel that it would be a good deed to donate the money to get it done.

[SDbison]

Its a very simple answer: Money

Everybody, and I mean everybody, agrees that the place is embarassing. Every fan that attends games and every NDSU employee that sets foot in that building. The problem is nobody has stepped forward with a bunch of money to build a new place. The people in the area that have the money have been wined and dined for many years. Unfortunately nobody has yet to feel that it would be a good deed to donate the money to get it done.
So at what point does the state realize NDSU is is DI now and kick in some money to build an appropriate facility. Just because it is athletics doesn't mean the buildings have to be built with private funds. The BSA was a joke from the begining. Piss poor design. Cannot be expanded much due to the roof and truss / pillar design (hmmmm kind of like the Fargodome). How many non directional / commuter branch schools in DI with 15,000 students or more have such a crappy basketball arena? Likely none.
So what if I am preaching to choir. Does it have to be entirely new stuff for some of you? How about the fact that more than 50% of the threads at Bisonville get highjacked with totally nonrelevant crap.

[SDbison]

What I was trying to say is NDSU is:
1. at least a minimum of 2 years from getting the BSA renovation completed.
2. at least a minimum of 4 years from getting a new basketball arena.
The sad thing is the DI tournament appearance will soon be forgotten and when NDSU is trying to sell recruits on coming to Fargo, well you might just as well forget about winning the conference or getting into the tourney for a long time. Add to that, attendance will NEVER improve as long as NDSU plays in the BSA dump.

[80ALUM]

This may have been addressed somewhere else on Bisonville and I didn't see it, but why is it so hot in BSA? If you get a seat up high it is unbearable.

[tjbison]

This may have been addressed somewhere else on Bisonville and I didn't see it, but why is it so hot in BSA? If you get a seat up high it is unbearable.


Its really sad isn't it?? Man I remember the K-State game I was sweating balls, then walked outside in the cold and my damn shirt froze, course I was cheering my ass off too, but man some fans or something

[unbison]

I am just curious why we gotta keep tearing buildings down..... does anyone remember how terrible williams arena was 15 years ago.... it is an amazing transformation.... is that not something that could be done at the bsa ..... let the goofer bashing begin

[SDbison]

I am just curious why we gotta keep tearing buildings down..... does anyone remember how terrible williams arena was 15 years ago.... it is an amazing transformation.... is that not something that could be done at the bsa ..... let the goofer bashing begin
Big difference. Williams arena has a high roof structure. The BSA doesn't. You can renovate seating, bathrooms, concessions, lighting, HVAC, and add a lobby, etc. Not much to do when the roof is so low.
I don't have a problem with the BSA being renovated as a conditioning / coaches office / practice facility. It is not a very good venue for sitting and watching a basketball game.

[roadwarrior]

The legislature is NEVER going to commit any money for athletic facilities at NDSU. It doesnt matter how much money they have floating around in the bank, they will never spend it on that.

A new grandstand at the fairgrounds in Minot? Oh yeah, here's the check!

[sambini]

SD get Sanford to donate?

[NDSUFan_Sav]

I am just curious why we gotta keep tearing buildings down..... does anyone remember how terrible williams arena was 15 years ago.... it is an amazing transformation.... is that not something that could be done at the bsa ..... let the goofer bashing begin

i still think it sucks...when i went last year wasn't really a fan of it at all. :hide:

[unbison]

i still think it sucks...when i went last year wasn't really a fan of it at all. :hide:
It is a 100 year old arena sometimes history and new amenities work.... I think that they do! we will just have to disagree

[SDbison]

The legislature is NEVER going to commit any money for athletic facilities at NDSU. It doesnt matter how much money they have floating around in the bank, they will never spend it on that.

A new grandstand at the fairgrounds in Minot? Oh yeah, here's the check!
So how did the BSA get built 40 years ago?

[NDSUstudent]

Unbison the BSA sucked when it was built, Williams didn't. The only fix for the BSA from a basketball perspective is dynamite.

I still would wish NDSU would get away from the big donors and work the people. Just to get some momentum going, anything is better than wandering around until somebody or a few people cut big checks.

[HandoEX]

So how did the BSA get built 40 years ago?

The state legislature put up $1.75 million and the remaining $1.35 came from federal funds and donations.

[80ALUM]

Would it be possible for NDSU to finance a new BB arena using this concept from Boise State?
www.nwcn.com/.../BSU-to-sell-stock-in-athletics-programs-to-public-69866702.html

[Tatanka]

Would it be possible for NDSU to finance a new BB arena using this concept from Boise State?
www.nwcn.com/.../BSU-to-sell-stock-in-athletics-programs-to-public-69866702.html

?

Step 1: Navigate to web page that no longer exists.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

[Hammersmith]

Would it be possible for NDSU to finance a new BB arena using this concept from Boise State?
www.nwcn.com/.../BSU-to-sell-stock-in-athletics-programs-to-public-69866702.html
Fixed Link:
BSU to sell stock in athletic programs to public (http://www.nwcn.com/news/idaho/BSU-to-sell-stock-in-athletics-programs-to-public-69866702.html)

Quick version: In return for your money, we give you this lovely piece of paper that's absolutely worthless. To their credit, BSU personel were very frank about this being the same as any other fund drive and that the "stock" doesn't mean anything. It's just a gimmick to base the campaign theme on.

[bisonaudit]

Fixed Link:
BSU to sell stock in athletic programs to public (http://www.nwcn.com/news/idaho/BSU-to-sell-stock-in-athletics-programs-to-public-69866702.html)

Quick version: In return for your money, we give you this lovely piece of paper that's absolutely worthless. To their credit, BSU personel were very frank about this being the same as any other fund drive and that the "stock" doesn't mean anything. It's just a gimmick to base the campaign theme on.

Like owning a piece of the Green Bay Packers.

[TheBisonator]

I don't like going to games at the BSA anymore. It's becoming really depressing seeing that this is the best we have. It's also depressing watching webcasts of road games and seeing our opponents with arenas that are 10 times better than ours.

I swear that in the next few years, I'll try to get my cartoon show off the ground, sign a big merchandising/DVD contract, cash in on the royalties, and write a check!!!:D

[SDbison]

Like owning a piece of the Green Bay Packers.
So why can't a new 50 million dollar basketball arena be funded like this:
State: 10 million*
Building Name Donor: 15 million
Court Name Donor: 5 million
Misc Donors: 15 Million
BSA Fund Redirect: 5 million
* No reason with inflation the State can't kick in 6 times as much as back in 1970. Using 40 million in private funds, no new Fargo taxes and the state has a nice DI basketball facility on NDSU's campus.

[TheBisonator]

So why can't a new 50 million dollar basketball arena be funded like this:
State: 10 million*
Building Name Donor: 15 million
Court Name Donor: 5 million
Misc Donors: 15 Million
BSA Fund Redirect: 5 million
* No reason with inflation the State can't kick in 6 times as much as back in 1970. Using 40 million in private funds, no new Fargo taxes and the state has a nice DI basketball facility on NDSU's campus.

Here's a really naughty idea on how to build a new arena:

1) Plan a fake terrorist attack, setting off a bomb and fires at the BSA in the middle of the night when no one's there. (Avoid collateral damage.) Cover your trail!!!

2) Cash in on the insurance.

3) New arena!!!


Is it really any different than what GF did with the Alerus and FEMA money??

[NDSUstudent]

SD we apparently can't raise 15 million and now you want NDSU to raise 35 million?

How about this since a big chunk of this already on the table.

City of Fargo 15 million(already on the table)
State of ND 5 million
NDSU 10 million

That could build us an arena just like UNI has and it could build us an arena fast.

[GOB1SON]

So why can't a new 50 million dollar basketball arena be funded like this:
State: 10 million*
Building Name Donor: 15 million
Court Name Donor: 5 million
Misc Donors: 15 Million
BSA Fund Redirect: 5 million
* No reason with inflation the State can't kick in 6 times as much as back in 1970. Using 40 million in private funds, no new Fargo taxes and the state has a nice DI basketball facility on NDSU's campus.

If ND built a 50 million dollar basketball stadium more than the President would get fired.

[roadwarrior]

So why can't a new 50 million dollar basketball arena be funded like this:
State: 10 million*
Building Name Donor: 15 million
Court Name Donor: 5 million
Misc Donors: 15 Million
BSA Fund Redirect: 5 million
* No reason with inflation the State can't kick in 6 times as much as back in 1970. Using 40 million in private funds, no new Fargo taxes and the state has a nice DI basketball facility on NDSU's campus.

#1 - No legislator west of Casselton or north of Harwood would vote to spend state funds. In fact, probably most from the Fargo area wouldn't vote for it either.

#2 - Redirecting the money raised for the BSA would leave out the practice facilities, offices, training areas etc that are in the BSA remodel plan (unless you have all that stuff in the new building).

[bisonmike2]

NDSU needs it's own racino. Add it into the Minard Hall renovation or buy and renovate on old building downtown. Have blackjack, pigwheel, slots, video and OTB. Have the building house about 30-50 rooms then profit. That should generate enough cash for a new b-ball and outdoor football stadium. Book it. Done.

[80ALUM]

Fixed Link:
BSU to sell stock in athletic programs to public (http://www.nwcn.com/news/idaho/BSU-to-sell-stock-in-athletics-programs-to-public-69866702.html)

Quick version: In return for your money, we give you this lovely piece of paper that's absolutely worthless. To their credit, BSU personel were very frank about this being the same as any other fund drive and that the "stock" doesn't mean anything. It's just a gimmick to base the campaign theme on.

Thanks for fixing the link. So why wouldn't this work at NDSU? I would buy several shares at $100 each as I am sure would lots of alumni. 5000 alumni @ $1000 each would be a good start.

[DjKyRo]

I'm heavily inclined to believe that IF the school/new President would hold an actual fundraiser and/or come up with even the most basic of actual marketing campaigns we'd be able to find a significant amount of capital coming from interested parties, those being citizens who recognize the NDSU b-ball program(s)'s potential impact and benefit to state- and region-wide exposure. I know for a fact that there are people in Bismarck alone that would love for an opportunity to invest in North Dakota's future and this would be a fantastic opportunity.

A bit of proactivity and foresight are all that are needed right away, if it can just get started I get the impression it would snowball as support and interest grew.

[Bison bison]

Have we not been through this?

This is getting worse than discussing field turf...

[56BISON73]

Have we not been through this?

This is getting worse than discussing field turf...

OMG not field turf---here we go again:D

[SDbison]

Have we not been through this?

This is getting worse than discussing field turf...
That's because it is an issue that affects all fans of NDSU basketball. Maybe one of the folks that have money or power will read this and make something happen. We already know the media stops in now and then to get article ideas.
So what's the problem with discussing a big issue here? If you don't like it avoid the topic. Nobody is forcing you to read it.

[SDbison]

#1 - No legislator west of Casselton or north of Harwood would vote to spend state funds. In fact, probably most from the Fargo area wouldn't vote for it either.

#2 - Redirecting the money raised for the BSA would leave out the practice facilities, offices, training areas etc that are in the BSA remodel plan (unless you have all that stuff in the new building).

Apparently the legislature spent 1.75 million back around 1970 for the BSA. 1.75 million in 1970 dollars is about equal to 10 million in today's dollars. It is BS that a growing land grant state university that has moved to DI should have such a pathetic arena. No reason the state can't cough up some cash. If anything, North Dakota benefits greatly from the Ag research, technology park and tens of millions spent at NDSU by out of state students. NDSU is growing and the legislature should support it.

Wasn't there like 16 million that was earmarked from that momentum fund (private donations) several years ago for the remodel of the offices and weight room, and to add practice basketball courts. In addition, a good portion of the money was to go for making changes to improve seating, add concessions stands and bathrooms (this portion could be redirected to a new arena project). In fact, that is why I have been told they are stalling on starting the BSA improvements.....to see if a new arena is going to be built.

[Bison bison]

That's because it is an issue that affects all fans of NDSU basketball. Maybe one of the folks that have money or power will read this and make something happen. We already know the media stops in now and then to get article ideas.
So what's the problem with discussing a big issue here? If you don't like it avoid the topic. Nobody is forcing you to read it.

I've already read it.

We had this same discussion two months ago and since then nothing has changed.

[SDbison]

I've already read it.

We had this same discussion two months ago and since then nothing has changed.
Good for you.....now run along and read something else.....criticizing dozens of posters because they want to talk about this is going to stop anything.

[Bison bison]

Good for you.....now run along and read something else.....criticizing dozens of posters because they want to talk about this is going to stop anything.

I'm not criticizing any individuals, I'm just saying that this has already been hashed out (didn't I just write this an hour ago?).

It's like Groundhog's Day with griping for some people on here...

[roadwarrior]

Apparently the legislature spent 1.75 million back around 1970 for the BSA. 1.75 million in 1970 dollars is about equal to 10 million in today's dollars. It is BS that a growing land grant state university that has moved to DI should have such a pathetic arena. No reason the state can't cough up some cash. If anything, North Dakota benefits greatly from the Ag research, technology park and tens of millions spent at NDSU by out of state students. NDSU is growing and the legislature should support it.

Wasn't there like 16 million that was earmarked from that momentum fund (private donations) several years ago for the remodel of the offices and weight room, and to add practice basketball courts. In addition, a good portion of the money was to go for making changes to improve seating, add concessions stands and bathrooms (this portion could be redirected to a new arena project). In fact, that is why I have been told they are stalling on starting the BSA improvements.....to see if a new arena is going to be built.

I am not sure how NDSU got the state money in the late 60's to build the "New Fieldhouse". Whatever worked then isnt going to work now.

The Momentum campaign had 8 million for the BSA. Some of that has already been spent. New floor, video screens. Some of it disappeared in the financial markets last year.

Erv Inniger or Amy Ruley would gladly accept any money for this project. I gave them a check last summer.

[tony]

I am not sure how NDSU got the state money in the late 60's to build the "New Fieldhouse". Whatever worked then isnt going to work now.

Yeah, that is amazing... the only thing I can think is that UND must have gotten a bunch of money for something similar at the same time.

The only way that NDSU gets $10 million from the state for something like this is if UND gets $14 million, BSC gets $8 million, Mayville $5 million, Dickinson State $7 million, etc.

[lakesbison]

reason #12412 that we need a NEW president who sees NDSU as a REGIONAL & NATIONAL school, not "one of the North Dakota Colleges"

thats what really gets me going on all of this, ARGH!

[SDbison]

Yeah, that is amazing... the only thing I can think is that UND must have gotten a bunch of money for something similar at the same time.

The only way that NDSU gets $10 million from the state for something like this is if UND gets $14 million, BSC gets $8 million, Mayville $5 million, Dickinson State $7 million, etc.
My answer to that is which University is growing and really contributes to the ongoing success of North Dakota (agriculture). Why does it always have to involve parity. Fine if UND has to get the same. Give them 10 million to paint the tin shed for all I care.
If 75% of the funding comes from private sources why does the state have such a hang up kicking in 10 million. Crap they get a great deal. Wish somebody gave me 75% of the money to build my house and then let me keep it as my asset no strings attached.
It's not like the State of ND is broke.......they have how much of a surplus? Investing in the university system so that North Dakota can grow in population is essential.
All of ND should be proud of NDSU's appearance in the NCAA tournament. Just because we don't have a Ralph type donor shouldn't mean we need to play in a dump forever!

[Tatanka]

My answer to that is which University is growing and really contributes to the ongoing success of North Dakota (agriculture). Why does it always have to involve parity. Fine if UND has to get the same. Give them 10 million to paint the tin shed for all I care.
If 75% of the funding comes from private sources why does the state have such a hang up kicking in 10 million. Crap they get a great deal. Wish somebody gave me 75% of the money to build my house and then let me keep it as my asset no strings attached.
It's not like the State of ND is broke.......they have how much of a surplus? Investing in the university system so that North Dakota can grow in population is essential.
All of ND should be proud of NDSU's appearance in the NCAA tournament. Just because we don't have a Ralph type donor shouldn't mean we need to play in a dump forever!

Agree 100% but reality is what it is. There's not much of a chance of getting one shiny roosevelt towards anything NDSU athletics from the state.:smh:

[unbison]

maybe we could look for more local funding.......maybe a city wide tax to pay for it? it would have to be a fargo dome addition owned by the city but that has seemed to work well with the fargodome

[Tatanka]

maybe we could look for more local funding.......maybe a city wide tax to pay for it? it would have to be a fargo dome addition owned by the city but that has seemed to work well with the fargodome

This has less of a chance of success than funding from Bismarck.

[NDSUstudent]

Yeah, it was hard enough just to get the leftover Fargodome money...

[DjKyRo]

This has less of a chance of success than funding from Bismarck.

I'm going to donate to the BSA fund just to spite you.

[ndsubison1]

we can put up an enchanted highway and stupid really nice interstate reststops, a giant buffalo in jamestown, a crane in steele, a cow in new salem, yet we cant get money from the state to build a new arena... stupid pet projects :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Tatanka]

I'm going to donate to the BSA fund just to spite you.

Please do! All I'm saying is there's no way the taxpayers of (pick a jurisdiction) are going to vote for another tax for a basketball facility for NDSU.

[onbison09]

we can put up an enchanted highway and stupid really nice interstate reststops, a giant buffalo in jamestown, a crane in steele, a cow in new salem, yet we cant get money from the state to build a new arena... stupid pet projects :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

That thing is so stupid. :hide: Waste of an hour of my life.

[TheBisonator]

That thing is so stupid. :hide: Waste of an hour of my life.

I don't know what that highway is, but it already sounds pretty stupid...

[tjbison]

we can put up an enchanted highway and stupid really nice interstate reststops, a giant buffalo in jamestown, a crane in steele, a cow in new salem, yet we cant get money from the state to build a new arena... stupid pet projects :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Not to mention a new Grandstand in Minot for a fair that fired their progressive Manager

[tony]

we can put up an enchanted highway and stupid really nice interstate reststops, a giant buffalo in jamestown, a crane in steele, a cow in new salem, yet we cant get money from the state to build a new arena... stupid pet projects :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Uh, Enchanted Highway, New Salem Sue, the Steele Crane, the Jamestown Buffalo are not examples of state spending. That's just North Dakotans at their quirky best.

[tjbison]

Uh, Enchanted Highway, New Salem Sue, the Steele Crane, the Jamestown Buffalo are not examples of state spending. That's just North Dakotans at their quirky best.


LOL I was trying to research if that was actually true, GOD I HOPE NOT!!

[GOB1SON]

we can put up an enchanted highway and stupid really nice interstate reststops, a giant buffalo in jamestown, a crane in steele, a cow in new salem, yet we cant get money from the state to build a new arena... stupid pet projects :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

You know, you are right.

We should just forget about the other 500,000 people in the state and give, oh I don't know, 60-70% of ND's appropriated budget to NDSU.

I would guess, outside of the folks that post here and few others, most North Dakotans would think that NDSU gets plenty of money.

Some of the school districts that are closing down due to budget concerns might also have an objection or two.

Politics is perception, as the saying goes.

[ndsubison1]

Uh, Enchanted Highway, New Salem Sue, the Steele Crane, the Jamestown Buffalo are not examples of state spending. That's just North Dakotans at their quirky best.

good... lol. but im sure there are plenty of other things our state has wasted money on

[duluthbison]

I'm not sure if this has already been brought up but since there are so many team makers on this board who would like to see a new arena. Why can't they just go to the next meeting and start demanding a new campaign to come up with the other 15 million dollars. I mean if NDSU Impact can get over 100 million in a year or 2, I don't see why team makers can't come up with 15 million in no time.

No corporation with their name plastered all over the court, just NDSU, I think it would be great.

[56BISON73]

I'm not sure if this has already been brought up but since there are so many team makers on this board who would like to see a new arena. Why can't they just go to the next meeting and start demanding a new campaign to come up with the other 15 million dollars. I mean if NDSU Impact can get over 100 million in a year or 2, I don't see why team makers can't come up with 15 million in no time.

No corporation with their name plastered all over the court, just NDSU.

Why dont you join Team Makers yourself. Then you can go to the meeting and ask to be the chairman of the project.:D
Iam sure they would welcome the new blood and enthusiasm.

[duluthbison]

Why dont you join Team Makers yourself. Then you can go to the meeting and ask to be the chairman of the project.:D
Iam sure they would welcome the new blood and enthusiasm.

Maybe I should get out of school first! :nod:

I wasn't meaning to criticize the organization at all, it was just an idea that I had.

[56BISON73]

Maybe I should get out of school first! :nod:

I wasn't meaning to criticize the organization at all, it was just an idea that I had.

I dont think you being a student is an issue for being a Team maker. Just pay the membership fee and you are in. Then talk to Chad Stark or Pat Simmers and ask what the the priorities are for Team makers funding. Then volunteer to be on a fund raising team. After you gain that experience you should be better able to judge on if or how long it would take to raise 15 million dollars.

[NorthernBison]

The NCAA Tournament run last year gave us a bit of a window to use the momentum to get something done regarding a new arena. Unfortunately, the timing could not have been worse in terms of the Economy.

The economic conditions have not gotten appreciably better and there are a bunch of other things that now have really thrown up the roadblocks to a new arena.

Somebody waking up from a coma would be shocked to see what has happened at NDSU and in Fargo recently. Unless something changes drastically, the idea of a new multi purpose arena attached to the Fargodome is as dead as Elvis.

The troubles at NDSU will not go away soon. Chapman is gone, the interim President just instituted a hiring freeze due to lagging tuition collection, there is a budget shortfall, and I won't even get into the public distrust of the Institution due to the House fiasco.

Major Corporate donors are not likely to start throwing around big dollars for anything like this in the forseable future. Especially if they are in health care or insurance or finance. Companies are cutting back across the board and even if things turn around, there will be a significant lag.

Politically, regardless of how supportive City Leaders might be now, you can bet that the moment it gets serious about supporting a project like this, they will get plenty of heat. Piling on NDSU has become a mission for some people and there are plenty of enemies out there and they aren't all in Bismarck and Grand Forks and they aren't all UND people.

I think we're stuck with the BSA and NDSU just might be on its own with regard to financing the renovations.

[Da Bison]

The NCAA Tournament run last year gave us a bit of a window to use the momentum to get something done regarding a new arena. Unfortunately, the timing could not have been worse in terms of the Economy.

The economic conditions have not gotten appreciably better and there are a bunch of other things that now have really thrown up the roadblocks to a new arena.

Somebody waking up from a coma would be shocked to see what has happened at NDSU and in Fargo recently. Unless something changes drastically, the idea of a new multi purpose arena attached to the Fargodome is as dead as Elvis.

The troubles at NDSU will not go away soon. Chapman is gone, the interim President just instituted a hiring freeze due to lagging tuition collection, there is a budget shortfall, and I won't even get into the public distrust of the Institution due to the House fiasco.

Major Corporate donors are not likely to start throwing around big dollars for anything like this in the forseable future. Especially if they are in health care or insurance or finance. Companies are cutting back across the board and even if things turn around, there will be a significant lag.

Politically, regardless of how supportive City Leaders might be now, you can bet that the moment it gets serious about supporting a project like this, they will get plenty of heat. Piling on NDSU has become a mission for some people and there are plenty of enemies out there and they aren't all in Bismarck and Grand Forks and they aren't all UND people.

I think we're stuck with the BSA and NDSU just might be on its own with regard to financing the renovations.

So.................you're saying their is a chance:D

[NorthernBison]

So.................you're saying their is a chance:D

You never know. Maybe he is still around. Good catch.

[56BISON73]

One thing people tend to overlook and or not realize is last years run wasnt the norm at NDSU. How many great MBB teams have there been in the last 30 years? Even though I think BB should have a different venue to play in just for fan comfort alone you dont go spend 15-40 million dollars just because you had one good team. When I was up for the last football game I went to the Idaho game and it wasnt a sell out AND the product on the floor wasnt all that great. Hard to justify spending all that money under those circumstances.

[unbison]

One thing people tend to overlook and or not realize is last years run wasnt the norm at NDSU. How many great MBB teams have there been in the last 30 years? Even though I think BB should have a different venue to play in just for fan comfort alone you dont go spend 15-40 million dollars just because you had one good team. When I was up for the last football game I went to the Idaho game and it wasnt a sell out AND the product on the floor wasnt all that great. Hard to justify spending all that money under those circumstances.
ok now lots of breaks given to the football team for injuries and graduation..... but not for the basketball team!!!
basketball team will end the season very competitive in the conference.... PL we lost 80%of are starters and are now a very young team... give them some time to gel..... and in the next couple years we will imho have a better team than we did last year!

[56BISON73]

ok now lots of breaks given to the football team for injuries and graduation..... but not for the basketball team!!!
basketball team will end the season very competitive in the conference.... PL we lost 80%of are starters and are now a very young team... give them some time to gel..... and in the next couple years we will imho have a better team than we did last year!

Sounds like a recruiting problem.

[unbison]

Sounds like a recruiting problem.
sorry not the case recruiting under Saul has been bery bery good

[GOB1SON]

sorry not the case recruiting under Saul has been bery bery good

There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see."

Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see."

Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."

We'll see.

[Bison bison]

There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see."

Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see."

Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."

We'll see.

I'm seriously thinking of neg-repping you for posting this crap...
:D

[GOB1SON]

I'm seriously thinking of neg-repping you for posting this crap...
:D

I suppose. Might be a little too philosophical. Do what you need to do.

I guess the example would be that 3-4 years ago, I assumed that the FB coach was out there recruiting the best athletes and getting ready to build a dynasty in Fargo. I had my plane tickets to Chattanooga all but booked.

We had Walker and Roehl and Mays and I thought that success would just simply translate into a program that couldn't lose.

So we'll see.

[NDSUstudent]

One thing people tend to overlook and or not realize is last years run wasnt the norm at NDSU. How many great MBB teams have there been in the last 30 years? Even though I think BB should have a different venue to play in just for fan comfort alone you dont go spend 15-40 million dollars just because you had one good team. When I was up for the last football game I went to the Idaho game and it wasnt a sell out AND the product on the floor wasnt all that great. Hard to justify spending all that money under those circumstances.

PL just don't talk about basketball, you made one good point which has been bolded. I even put it in yellow for emphasis.

There has been more than one great team in the past 30 years. You do spend 15-40 million if you ever want to win consistently at this level and turn basketball into a revenue generator. It will never be hard to justify spending the money to replace the BSA for a myriad of reasons.

[Tatanka]

PL just don't talk about basketball, you made one good point which has been bolded. I even put it in yellow for emphasis.

There has been more than one great team in the past 30 years. You do spend 15-40 million if you ever want to win consistently at this level and turn basketball into a revenue generator. It will never be hard to justify spending the money to replace the BSA for a myriad of reasons.

Wow, is that bright (and unreadable) :D I'm intimidated.

[NDSUstudent]

Wow, is that bright (and unreadable) :D I'm intimidated.

Now you know how our opponents and their radio play by play guys felt when we strolled in with these jerseys...

http://www.gobison.com//pics30/200/HA/HAVGDUJHGEGQPHN.20051007012909.jpg

[ILBISON]

BSA should be imploded, its an intramural gym at best.Ndsu should be embarassed with this eyesore, arent they not the one of the best engineering/const mgmt schools in the country? how about spring semester final project (design new arena). there you go, i just knocked off $10 million.

[56BISON73]

sorry not the case recruiting under Saul has been bery bery good

We dont know if his recruiting wil pan out or not. Bring in good players doesnt mean they will perform at this level. Just like FB recruits that Bohl is getting crap for.

Saul had a great year last year. Then why is the product this year off???? HMMMM same bs that is being thrown at Bohl which was a back handed point.:D

Of course allowances should be made for injuries---oh here we go with another comparison.:D

I ve been reading for sometime on how good this team is and then all I hear is excuses on why they arent performing. I have no issues with this because I know that this current team needs to be developed.. But if this is going to be afforded one coach it should be afforded the other.
The only difference is people EXPECT a better product out of the FB team because of the past. Not so with the BB team. IMO of course.

[unbison]

We dont know if his recruiting wil pan out or not. Bring in good players doesnt mean they will perform at this level. Just like FB recruits that Bohl is getting crap for.

Saul had a great year last year. Then why is the product this year off???? HMMMM same bs that is being thrown at Bohl which was a back handed point.:D

Of course allowances should be made for injuries---oh here we go with another comparison.:D

I ve been reading for sometime on how good this team is and then all I hear is excuses on why they arent performing. I have no issues with this because I know that this current team needs to be developed.. But if this is going to be afforded one coach it should be afforded the other.
The only difference is people EXPECT a better product out of the FB team because of the past. Not so with the BB team. IMO of course.

this is the first down year PL not the second ..... hello... hello.... this thing on .....can you read this hello...... comprendo

[NDSUstudent]

PL are you really trying to compare basketball and football? We have a marginal senior class this year and we are trying to replace 4 senior starters, the team has talent but it is young or injured for the most part.

[56BISON73]

this is the first down year PL not the second ..... hello... hello.... this thing on .....can you read this hello...... comprendo

I totally understand that. Obviously you arent comprehending my point. Or its just that you dont want to.

As you can tell and I will readily admit that Im just stirring the pot because of some of my observations in this regard. Which doesnt make them any less valid.

[unbison]

I totally understand that. Obviously you arent comprehending my point. Or its just that you dont want to.

As you can tell and I will readily admit that Im just stirring the pot because of some of my observations in this regard. Which doesnt make them any less valid.

I was really wondering what kind of crazy response you would come up with once you were boxed in!http://www.fh-wedel.de/~si/seminare/ws98/Ausarbeitung/5.Zint/ref/box.gif

[56BISON73]

I was really wondering what kind of crazy response you would come up with once you were boxed in!http://www.fh-wedel.de/~si/seminare/ws98/Ausarbeitung/5.Zint/ref/box.gif

Actually it was you who was boxed because you failed to rebutt any of the points at hand. Just a comprendo???? LOL:D

[unbison]

We dont know if his recruiting wil pan out or not. Bring in good players doesnt mean they will perform at this level. Just like FB recruits that Bohl is getting crap for.

Saul had a great year last year. Then why is the product this year off???? HMMMM same bs that is being thrown at Bohl which was a back handed point.:D

Of course allowances should be made for injuries---oh here we go with another comparison.:D

I ve been reading for sometime on how good this team is and then all I hear is excuses on why they arent performing. I have no issues with this because I know that this current team needs to be developed.. But if this is going to be afforded one coach it should be afforded the other.
The only difference is people EXPECT a better product out of the FB team because of the past. Not so with the BB team. IMO of course.

really you asked no questions in this just more miserable bable

[56BISON73]

PL are you really trying to compare basketball and football? We have a marginal senior class this year and we are trying to replace 4 senior starters, the team has talent but it is young or injured for the most part.

Gee I guess he didnt recruit for depth did he??? Why didnt he see this coming a couple of years ago???? Looks like he put all of his eggs in one basket.
Get my point yet????:D

[56BISON73]

really you asked no questions in this just more miserable bable

You are supposed to answer questions. I asked no questions.
You rebuttal points of view. If you have problems with the word rebuttal let me know and I will help you out.:nod:

[unbison]

Gee I guess he didnt recruit for depth did he??? Why didnt he see this coming a couple of years ago???? Looks like he put all of his eggs in one basket.
Get my point yet????:D
your point is invalid...... because ndsu just graduated its most special basketball class ever! 3 top 10 scorers in that class and 2 of the top 10 shot blockers

[56BISON73]

your point is invalid...... because ndsu just graduated its most special basketball class ever! 3 top 10 scorers in that class and 2 of the top 10 shot blockers


Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73 http://www.bisonville.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?p=338135#post338135)
I totally understand that. Obviously you arent comprehending my point. Or its just that you dont want to.

[unbison]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73 http://www.bisonville.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?p=338135#post338135)
I totally understand that. Obviously you arent comprehending my point. Or its just that you dont want to.


ok you win..... might as well exchange quips with a brick wall!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: there that is an example of an exchange with pl

[NDSUstudent]

Gee I guess he didnt recruit for depth did he??? Why didnt he see this coming a couple of years ago???? Looks like he put all of his eggs in one basket.
Get my point yet????:D

I see what you are doing, trying to turn what some say about Bohl to Saul...it kind of works but Saul still has a chance to make something of this season(if his recruits can develop).

[56BISON73]

I see what you are doing, trying to turn what some say about Bohl to Saul...it kind of works but Saul still has a chance to make something of this season(if his recruits can develop).

I agree and I hope he does.

[lakesbison]

NDSU IS GONNA BE 2-7 COME MONDAY.

i love the recruits, but A) saul,doesnt have.a playbook B) 3-4 players on the team shoulda been cut + juco thugs brought in!! (rite TK?)

unbison, does Pl's feathers get more or less 'ruffled' when put in that box??

[Hammersmith]

I see what you are doing, trying to turn what some say about Bohl to Saul...it kind of works but Saul still has a chance to make something of this season(if his recruits can develop).

Actually, it's just f-ing annoying.

[ndsubison1]

Saul had a great year last year. Then why is the product this year off???? HMMMM same bs that is being thrown at Bohl which was a back handed point.:D


umm... i thought we lost 3 of our top scorers of all time, not sure though

[SDbison]

:offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic: :offtopic:

[NDSUstudent]

The BSA sucks....is that better SD? ;)

[SDbison]

The BSA sucks....is that better SD? ;)
Much Better.......Bisonville get your own thread if you want to talk about how Saul Sucks or Recruiting Sucks or the Team Sucks.

[roadwarrior]

If we had $100 for every time the word "suck" appeared in this thread, we could have groundbreaking ceremonies!

[SDbison]

If we had $100 for every time the word "suck" appeared in this thread, we could have groundbreaking ceremonies!
Maybe those in power at Teammakers, NDSU and the State of ND should start using SUCKS to appropriately describe the craphole facility on campus. Most top tier high schools have better gyms.
I hear Webster is upgrading the dictionary and they will be including BSA as a synonym for the word "sucks".

[johnson]

Does anyone out there know what is exactly going on with the BSA renovation? Are the funds there already? I see UND just got approved to start fund raising for a new indoor practice facility. I heard some chatter a while back about NDSU looking to do the same. Is that still being discussed. Also, I have asked about the status of the new BB arena and didn't get much info. Does that look like it may happen yet? I guess what I am trying to ask is what is the status of the proposed facility upgrades at NDSU?

[roadwarrior]

johnson, its all about money......or in this case the lack of it.

[johnson]

johnson, its all about money......or in this case the lack of it.
Where are we at with funding for the BSA renovation?

[ILBISON]

Beer and Fargodome expansion= $$$$ success. DSU just got the agreement to sell alcohol.

[56BISON73]

Beer and Fargodome expansion= $$$$ success. DSU just got the agreement to sell alcohol.

Your posts have a familiar ring to them. :D

[SDbison]

BSA still sucks......I will post it every day until something changes.

[met1990]

BSA still sucks......I will post it every day until something changes.

What if the temperature is 72 degrees for two games in a row? Will that start turning you around? ;)

[imabison]

Warm temps in the BSA, people leave their coats at the coat check. Student athletes raise more funds, humm was it GT that I heard say that a few weeks ago.

[imabison]

Read the entire article, totally different situation. BAC on Dickinson State land, Fargodome on City property leasesd to NDSU. I thought they described the differences pretty clearly. Sorry, I am a fan of tailgating, but not a fan of selling beer during the games.

[Hammersmith]

Read the entire article, totally different situation. BAC on Dickinson State land, Fargodome on City property leasesd to NDSU. I thought they described the differences pretty clearly. Sorry, I am a fan of tailgating, but not a fan of selling beer during the games.

Sorry, I think you've got that backwards. The Fargodome is on NDSU property which is leased to the city. So you've got NDSU renting a city-owned facility which is sitting on NDSU land.

[TheBisonator]

The thing I don't understand is why they originally built the thing with such a low ceiling over the basketball court. It was probably designed by engineers and not by architects. (Big mistake)

[SDbison]

You know what...........the BSA has to be the suckiest DI college basketball venue west of the Mississippi.
Prove me wrong.

[roadwarrior]

Here is one SD:

Sacramento State's 1,200 capacity basketball arena.

http://www.hornetsports.com/sports/mbball/Arena.asp

[tjbison]

Here is one SD:

Sacramento State's 1,200 capacity basketball arena.

http://www.hornetsports.com/sports/mbball/Arena.asp



the Hornet men's basketball team sold out every game in Big Sky Conference play.


Well thats not too hard with that capacity:rofl: :rofl:

[SDbison]

Here is one SD:

Sacramento State's 1,200 capacity basketball arena.

http://www.hornetsports.com/sports/mbball/Arena.asp
Good find Road......Sac State isn't like one of the two biggest state universities in California either. Kind of like being Moorhead State in Minnesota but on a larger scale.
Maybe I need to reword my challenge:
If you compared all the factors other than just capacity, i.e. age of building, seating around court, comfort, concessions, bathrooms, PA system, etc. the BSA has to be in the top 3 of the worst DI basketball venues west of the Mississippi. OK, now prove me wrong!

[56BISON73]

BSA still sucks......I will post it every day until something changes.

Instead of torturing your fellow Bisonvillers why not send an email to Gene Taylor and the President everyday until you get your desired results. Posting it here will get you no where.:nod:

[unbison]

Instead of torturing your fellow Bisonvillers why not send an email to Gene Taylor and the President everyday until you get your desired results. Posting it here will get you no where.:nod:
Are you sure you can speak of torturing fellow bisonvillers.... PL that is your m o

[roadwarrior]

Why don't we try to do something about it rather than complain about it?

Here is a start: We need to find 200 people or companies that are willing to contribute $10,000 a year for 5 years. That would be a total of $10,000,000 and would go a long ways to get this project done.

Actually, we only need 199 now since I have already made my $50,000 commitment.

[BisBison]

Why don't we try to do something about it rather than complain about it?

Here is a start: We need to find 200 people or companies that are willing to contribute $10,000 a year for 5 years. That would be a total of $10,000,000 and would go a long ways to get this project done.

Actually, we only need 199 now since I have already made my $50,000 commitment.

Not THAT'S what I call putting your money where your mouth is. Kudos and reps to Road.

[unbison]

Here is one SD:

Sacramento State's 1,200 capacity basketball arena.

http://www.hornetsports.com/sports/mbball/Arena.asp

it is smaller..... but it does look like a nicer facility

[SDbison]

BSA still sucks......outright #1.
If anybody here were to contact NDSU folks in charge our ideas would be dismissed. They all know better. So why is there no effort to fundraise...they must be incompetent.

[TheBisonator]

It's not about how many people an arena seats. It's about how nice and how good of shape it's in. We have a fairly large arena that's an absolute pile of shit. IUPUI has a tiny gym that actually looks quite nice. Portland State's gym is relatively new and only seats 1,500, but I've seen pictures of it, and it looks to be in quality shape. You really have to consider the amenities, how good the seating is, what kind of shape the whole place is in, etc. The BSA has plaster soffit crumbling off the west side of the building and areas of the wooden bleachers that are cracked and broken. The whole place is dark and dank, it's 85 degrees, and the walls and rafters are dirty. It seats 6,500. Who gives a damn. Looks even worse when a DAC team is in town and the place is 1/4 full with all the broken wood showing. The point is it's not about having just a tiny place or not.

[SDbison]

So if the yahoos to the north can get going on fundraising for their 20 million dollar practice facility why can't NDSU do the same for a new basketball arena? That would also free up the money to be spent on the BSA renovations and get that effort started. Too many folks at NDSU sitting on their hands now. WTF is their problem? Why all the delays?
No BSA renovations happening and no fundraising effort for a new Arena. Seems somebody at NDSU is NOT doing their job.

GRAND FORKS, N.D. – After more than a decade of planning, wishing and dreaming, the University of North Dakota athletic department’s top facility priority in its move to Division I athletics has taken its first step forward.
At the North Dakota State Board of Higher Education’s meeting recently in Bismarck, the board authorized UND to begin fundraising efforts for a $19.5 million, 100,000 square-foot indoor practice facility at the site of the old Ralph Engelstad Arena.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/264061/

[unbison]

bsa sucks but will be there thursday and sat. come on out cheer these boys on!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tatanka]

So if the yahoos to the north can get going on fundraising for their 20 million dollar practice facility why can't NDSU do the same for a new basketball arena? That would also free up the money to be spent on the BSA renovations and get that effort started. Too many folks at NDSU sitting on their hands now. WTF is their problem? Why all the delays?
No BSA renovations happening and no fundraising effort for a new Arena. Seems somebody at NDSU is NOT doing their job.

GRAND FORKS, N.D. – After more than a decade of planning, wishing and dreaming, the University of North Dakota athletic department’s top facility priority in its move to Division I athletics has taken its first step forward.
At the North Dakota State Board of Higher Education’s meeting recently in Bismarck, the board authorized UND to begin fundraising efforts for a $19.5 million, 100,000 square-foot indoor practice facility at the site of the old Ralph Engelstad Arena.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/264061/

I'm more than a little surprised that site isn't considered sacred religious ground or something.

[SDbison]

So are you onto something there Tatanka? Maybe this should be investigated. Could it be the site of the Bunker?

[NDSUstudent]

SD, before reading this you might want to sit down...Maybe pour yourself a drink...may as well make that a double....

Taylor was on WDAY and pretty much said the focus is all on the BSA right now. He realizes he can't get both projects done in this economy, the BSA will be the focus, but he understands that the basketball team needs a new arena.

[Facts]

The thing I don't understand is why they originally built the thing with such a low ceiling over the basketball court. It was probably designed by engineers and not by architects. (Big mistake)

To overcome the low ceiling couldn't they lower* the floor and have the court below ground level. Then they would just have to adjust bleachers/seating to the new height of the court. I would assume new seating would be a major component of the renovation to the BSA anyways.



* no humor intented with recent excavation project malfunctions ;)

[56BISON73]

To overcome the low ceiling couldn't they lower* the floor and have the court below ground level. Then they would just have to adjust bleachers/seating to the new height of the court. I would assume new seating would be a major component of the renovation to the BSA anyways.

* no humor intented with recent excavation project malfunctions ;)

You know thats a pretty good idea. My HS did that to the BB court to make seating for the theatre when they built a new gym. Also Ohio State did that some years back to there FB field to increase seating capcity.

Of cousre this is dependent on the Fargo water table.

[tjbison]

You know thats a pretty good idea. My HS did that to the BB court to make seating for the theatre when they built a new gym. Also Ohio State did that some years back to there FB field to increase seating capcity.



I'm all for the have Meineke-Johnson dig a hole underneath and let it collapse, claim Insurance and rebuild, but move it north west 1/4 mile;)

[SDbison]

SD, before reading this you might want to sit down...Maybe pour yourself a drink...may as well make that a double....

Taylor was on WDAY and pretty much said the focus is all on the BSA right now. He realizes he can't get both projects done in this economy, the BSA will be the focus, but he understands that the basketball team needs a new arena.
Thanks, I was well numbed when I read this last night. Funny thing is nothing surprises me anymore about the inept decisions and slow progress with this stuff. I guess NDSU is a bad university, deserves a piece of SHAT arena and better just take its lumps. Wish Chapman had got something done with this before he left......I don't care how much he would have pissed off the bureaucrats in the higher board of education. I guess progress is better than stagnation and regression. Too bad the old school crabby old men (and women) in ND don't see the benefits of showcasing your DI talent.

[Kermit]

SD, before reading this you might want to sit down...Maybe pour yourself a drink...may as well make that a double....

Taylor was on WDAY and pretty much said the focus is all on the BSA right now. He realizes he can't get both projects done in this economy, the BSA will be the focus, but he understands that the basketball team needs a new arena.

If we are years from a new arena, the short term solution is obvious: play basketball games in the FargoDome.

Ideal arena >> FargoDome basketball setup >>> BSA

[lakesbison]

NDSU (thanks Erv and AMY!) really really screwed the pooch on the POSSIBILITY of playing in the Fargodome with their decisions during the WOODSIDE ERA NOT TO PLAY IN THE FARGODOME!


NDSU, (mainly Erv and AMY) knew that if NDSU with Woody's team played just 1 game in the Fargodome, everyone would've demanded every game be played there instead of the BSA.

its a damn shame, the oral roberts and sdsu game alone wouldve been amazing with 7500 in the half fargodome setup!!!

GRRR

[scheelsguy]

NDSU (thanks Erv and AMY!) really really screwed the pooch on the POSSIBILITY of playing in the Fargodome with their decisions during the WOODSIDE ERA NOT TO PLAY IN THE FARGODOME!


NDSU, (mainly Erv and AMY) knew that if NDSU with Woody's team played just 1 game in the Fargodome, everyone would've demanded every game be played there instead of the BSA.

its a damn shame, the oral roberts and sdsu game alone wouldve been amazing with 7500 in the half fargodome setup!!!

GRRR

I can't believe I'm saying this, but: I agree with Lakes!

[Facts]

Anyone else notice the difference in the scoreboard tonight? There were no player score/foul tallies on either side of the board. The last womens game I was at the score/foul tallies were frozen from the game before. They're really having some serious problems with the scoreboard this year. :confused:

[SDbison]

Anyone else notice the difference in the scoreboard tonight? There were no player score/foul tallies on either side of the board. The last womens game I was at the score/foul tallies were frozen from the game before. They're really having some serious problems with the scoreboard this year. :confused:
What do you expect. The scoreboard was purchased from Yaktronics (actually Daktronics) and likely designed by a bunch of Yakrabbit fans who went to Brookings college.....you know, SDSU.

[Hansel]

To overcome the low ceiling couldn't they lower* the floor and have the court below ground level. Then they would just have to adjust bleachers/seating to the new height of the court. I would assume new seating would be a major component of the renovation to the BSA anyways.
[/SIZE]


I beleive water table issues would come into play

[Tatanka]

I beleive water table issues would come into play

I will gladly donate a 1/2 HP sump pump to alleviate this concern. Then we could pump the water to an impressive fountain in our lobby to impress recruits.

Seriously though, there's likely no way to drop the floor unless they drop the whole floor (indoor track and such), and that just ain't gonna happen. Could they raise the roof?

[unbison]

NDSU (thanks Erv and AMY!) really really screwed the pooch on the POSSIBILITY of playing in the Fargodome with their decisions during the WOODSIDE ERA NOT TO PLAY IN THE FARGODOME!


NDSU, (mainly Erv and AMY) knew that if NDSU with Woody's team played just 1 game in the Fargodome, everyone would've demanded every game be played there instead of the BSA.

its a damn shame, the oral roberts and sdsu game alone wouldve been amazing with 7500 in the half fargodome setup!!!

GRRR
Neither of those games sold out at the bsa

[SDbison]

Neither of those games sold out at the bsa
Just stop and think for a minute:
Poor attendance is primarily caused by the bad conditions in the BSA. Mostly crappy seating (uncomfortable and many blocked views), lack of climate control (steamy hot temperature), piss poor sound system (and now video too), along with inadequate bathrooms and concessions. Not even a great team can overcome the dump of a venue the BSA has become!

I would bet my annual salary that the average attendance at basketball games would increase 2000 per game the first year after a new arena was built.

[Kermit]

Just stop and think for a minute:
Poor attendance is primarily caused by the bad conditions in the BSA. Mostly crappy seating (uncomfortable and many blocked views), lack of climate control (steamy hot temperature), piss poor sound system (and now video too), along with inadequate bathrooms and concessions. Not even a great team can overcome the dump of a venue the BSA has become!

I would bet my annual salary that the average attendance at basketball games would increase 2000 per game the first year after a new arena was built.

I agree totally. While we are waiting, can we please try the FargoDome? Pretty please?

[unbison]

I kept saying the fargodome would be a nicer venue last year and it kept getting shot down as not a good basketball atmosphere....well neither is the fricking bsa sorry!

[SDbison]

I agree totally. While we are waiting, can we please try the FargoDome? Pretty please?
I am right there with you Kermit. Maybe some of NDSU's staff or the Forum writers trolling here will help make this happen!

[SDbison]

I kept saying the fargodome would be a nicer venue last year and it kept getting shot down as not a good basketball atmosphere....well neither is the fricking bsa sorry!
Even with the Fargodomes shortcomings (high ceiling and not as much close seating) it kicks butt compared to the BSA. Kind of funny, the BSA's ceiling is midget sized and the Fargodome is Giant sized.
Regardless, the Fargodome is 50 times better than the BSA.

[BisBison]

Why didn't a wall on the BSA cave in instead of Minard Hall?:banghead: :banghead:

[BlueBisonRock]

Seriously though, there's likely no way to drop the floor unless they drop the whole floor (indoor track and such), and that just ain't gonna happen. Could they raise the roof?

Since ya brought it up, ... I remember some BB games with the JC up north held back before God created dirt where that very roof was raised by the intensity and the attitude of the crowd.

So yes, under special and unique circumstances, that roof can be 'raised'.

[Bison"FANatic"]

With it being 30 some below this AM it ought to be a Sauna experience this afternoon and evening.:smh: :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh:

[56BISON73]

With it being 30 some below this AM it ought to be a Sauna experience this afternoon and evening.:smh: :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh: :smh:

Its 64 here in Miami :D

[unbison]

Its 64 here in Miami :D
Just figured out why lakes and PL dont get along

PL= old bragger
Lakes= only kinda old bragger

[56BISON73]

Just figured out why lakes and PL dont get along

PL= old bragger
Lakes= only kinda old bragger

You should take some of that big money You were bragging about and do something now that its winter vacation for you. If you did you wouldnt be so bitter.:D

[unbison]

You should take some of that big money You were bragging about and do something now that its winter vacation for you. If you did you wouldnt be so bitter.:D
dont you worry about me.... i will be in warm places this winter PL
waiting on my new irons to show up

[56BISON73]

dont you worry about me.... i will be in warm places this winter PL
waiting on my new irons to show up

If you can make it see if you can golf with us this next year at the Bison Open.

[Facts]

more issues with scoreboard/electronics equipment yesterday. Anybody know if there are plans to fix this stuff?

[lakesbison]

wait, those side panels arent supposed to flicker like that?? i thought it was 3d or something.

[DORMIE]

Talked to LD on Saturday evening. She said they've been having some problems, blown a couple of computers etc. and need to have DACTRONICS come in and take care of the problem. After you've had the scores up there, you sure miss them when they're gone.

[99Bison]

Are they going to fix the solid pink block on the courtside screen too?

[SDbison]

Talked to LD on Saturday evening. She said they've been having some problems, blown a couple of computers etc. and need to have DACTRONICS come in and take care of the problem. After you've had the scores up there, you sure miss them when they're gone.
Its a long ways from Brookings to Fargo.....what does it take, 15 weeks to set up a service call? Told ya some Brookings grad is likely behind the issues at the BSA.

[Bison101]

Its a long ways from Brookings to Fargo.....what does it take, 15 weeks to set up a service call? Told ya some Brookings grad has issues.

Fixed it for ya^^^.:D

[TheDoctor]

Yeah, I am sure Daktronics will be here to fix it, just as soon as the season ends. ;)

[TheDoctor]

I agree totally. While we are waiting, can we please try the FargoDome? Pretty please?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ;)

[unbison]

Fargodome here we come ...... actually the civic might be kinda fun with the size crowds we got it might feel pretty intense in that size building this year:hide:

[Facts]

Fargodome here we come ...... actually the civic might be kinda fun with the size crowds we got it might feel pretty intense in that size building this year:hide:

How many does the Civic seat anyway?

PS. on the positive side of things for the BSA, the temperature has been decent lately. Sauna... What Sauna?

[Trim]

If you miss the sauna, just take a trip to the top of the seats on the west side. Nice and toasty up there also. Then, after that, swing by the "shocking area" as my kid calls it. Drag your feet across the old turf in the mezzanine area. Then touch that cable that runs along the windows that look at the pool. It's a heck of a jolt.

You can say hi to me and my boy. We are the ones playing football with an invisible ball. Kickoff starts at the 8-minute mark of the first half of every game.

[johnson]

How many does the Civic seat anyway?

PS. on the positive side of things for the BSA, the temperature has been decent lately. Sauna... What Sauna?
I talked a Manager at the Civic last year and she wasn't 100% sure on total capacity for a basketball game but said it was roughly 2800.

[TheBisonator]

I talked a Manager at the Civic last year and she wasn't 100% sure on total capacity for a basketball game but said it was roughly 2800.

At least half of our games get more than that at the BSA. Civic is probably too small.

[Kermit]

The FargoDome is on campus!

[TheBisonator]

The FargoDome is on campus!

The FFD would be the best choice to play our games for the interim.

The BBFH is probably a better facility for games than the BSA, even though it's small. At least the place would be packed and LOUD.

[Facts]

If you miss the sauna, just take a trip to the top of the seats on the west side. Nice and toasty up there also. Then, after that, swing by the "shocking area" as my kid calls it. Drag your feet across the old turf in the mezzanine area. Then touch that cable that runs along the windows that look at the pool. It's a heck of a jolt.

You can say hi to me and my boy. We are the ones playing football with an invisible ball. Kickoff starts at the 8-minute mark of the first half of every game.

That's were I always sit. Since the Idaho game, which was an inferno, it's been reasonable. I'll try the shock treatment though, sounds like fun. If we had enought people holding hands could we jump start a car?

[Trim]

That's were I always sit. Since the Idaho game, which was an inferno, it's been reasonable. I'll try the shock treatment though, sounds like fun. If we had enought people holding hands could we jump start a car?


Funny you say that... A group of about 10 girls did that one day. The one touching the cable was almost in tears.

[Kermit]

I watched some high school hoops in the FargoDome today. The new basketball setup is quite nice. I sat in the south (movable) seats and found myself much closer to the action than the comparable seats in the BSA.

I recently asked Gene Taylor about the possibility of seeing Bison basketball in the FargoDome pending a more permanet solution. Gene told me that they do have interest in playing a few games in the dome. They would have reservations about playing all games in the dome for 3 reasons:

1) Gene would like to see the FargoDome host the Summit League tournament in the future.

2) NDSU would have to rent the dome. This didn't sound like an insurmountable problem.

3) It is nice to be able to practice on the same court the team plays on, and they wouldn't be able to practice regularly in the dome.

[tjbison]

I watched some high school hoops in the FargoDome today. The new basketball setup is quite nice. I sat in the south (movable) seats and found myself much closer to the action than the comparable seats in the BSA.

I recently asked Gene Taylor about the possibility of seeing Bison basketball in the FargoDome pending a more permanet solution. Gene told me that they do have interest in playing a few games in the dome. They would have reservations about playing all games in the dome for 3 reasons:

1) Gene would like to see the FargoDome host the Summit League tournament in the future.

2) NDSU would have to rent the dome. This didn't sound like an insurmountable problem.

3) It is nice to be able to practice on the same court the team plays on, and they wouldn't be able to practice regularly in the dome.

my question would be...If they play some NDSU games in there can they PLEASE not use that ugly Fargodome orange court, and use the BSA NDSU court

[Kermit]

my question would be...If they play some NDSU games in there can they PLEASE not use that ugly Fargodome orange court, and use the BSA NDSU court

The BSA has MANY things that could only be described as ugly, but you're right, the basketball court itself is very nice! The FargoDome needs an NDSU color scheme.

[TheDoctor]

Attended the "Shoot Out" yesterday at the Dome (all the Fargo and Moorhead schools played in one day). It was a PERFECT venue for our games. I agree about the court though. Makes me think of the old Beez colors which I assume dictated to choice in colors when designing. ;)

[missingnumber7]

When they play EDC or State Super A at the FFD they used the floor from the BSA as the second floor. I would assume that if NDSU ever played a game there that they would use that floor.

[Facts]

Attended the "Shoot Out" yesterday at the Dome (all the Fargo and Moorhead schools played in one day). It was a PERFECT venue for our games. I agree about the court though. Makes me think of the old Beez colors which I assume dictated to choice in colors when designing. ;)

I agree B1son. The dome would be a welcome change from the BSA, but ultimately a BB only facility is what will take this program to the next level.

Sidenote... I had a roommate once who owned a Beez shirt... classic. :)

[TheDoctor]

I agree B1son. The dome would be a welcome change from the BSA, but ultimately a BB only facility is what will take this program to the next level.

Sidenote... I had a roommate once who owned a Beez shirt... classic. :)

(showing my age) I had a roomate once who owned a Fargo Fever shirt.....really classic. :) ;)

[D_One_here_we_come]

I would be all for the dome. Just saw HS bball in there, pretty impressive setup. Lets get it done!

[lcbison]

(showing my age) I had a roomate once who owned a Fargo Fever shirt.....really classic. :) ;)

So, i had a Fargo Fever Basketball :)

[godhateswalmart]

I agree B1son. The dome would be a welcome change from the BSA, but ultimately a BB only facility is what will take this program to the next level.

Sidenote... I had a roommate once who owned a Beez shirt... classic. :)

Basketball only facility would be great. With the current state of the economy settling in at the Fargodome for a few years is still a huge upgrade. It would also take the program to another level by doing this.

[Elephants Dream?]

So, i had a Fargo Fever Basketball :)

and "a roomie with a Fever shirt"
Jeez, what's the big deal........ I went to many, many Fever games.
Steve Bontrager, the coach, was constantly hoarse from yelling. (trivia)

And YES the BSA Sucks. It's a Dark Dungeon with a non-existant PA.
I've been in many gyms around the country, and the BSA has become
an embarrassment. Put in some lights and a PA system.
Even the gym at KC is better lit and has a better PA.
my 2 cents.

[Kermit]

(showing my age) I had a roomate once who owned a Fargo Fever shirt.....really classic. :) ;)

Wasn't there a mascot who used to surf the seats or something?

[MN_BISON]

Wasn't there a mascot who used to surf the seats or something?

Yes there was and you can watch him now as he's the mascot of the Utah Jazz and has been for quite some time.

[Trim]

Wasn't there a mascot who used to surf the seats or something?

Thermo!!!!

[Leonardite]

Thermo!!!!

His signature "trick" was sledding down the stairs, which obviously predated the handrails that are there now.

[Trim]

His signature "trick" was sledding down the stairs, which obviously predated the handrails that are there now.

Yeah, he was crazy. His "trick" always ended in a horrible collision at the bottom of the stairs. It was amazing. Best mascot I've ever seen. Didn't he bungie jump from the top of the Dome one time too? He also used to stand on a railing on one side of the entrances into the seating area and jump across to the other railing. Sometimes he made it, sometimes he didn't. I used to love going to Fever games. I think Henry Bibby coached one of the opponents. Wasn't Bontrager some kind of free throw shooting wizard?

[unbison]

who is gonna make there way to the shitty arena tonight

[Tatanka]

who is gonna make there way to the shitty arena tonight

In .

[tjbison]

i'm there:nod:

[Ferd]

Me too. !

[sambini]

Anyone going tonight?

[tjbison]

Anyone going tonight?


++++++++++++++++++++++


:blush: ;)


BTW that means yes

[ndsubison1]

Anyone going tonight?

Wish I could make it, but too sick to go. Will be watching on teh go bison all access

[sambini]

Get well Ming+++

[TheBisonator]

I had to work last week (IPFW), but I was able to make it this weekend. Two more Bison home games, and that's it for me. I hope that the next time I stop in Fargo in the future, a new arena will at least be under construction.

[Scooter1]

I don't know...I like the new BSA.

[North Side]

1) Gene would like to see the FargoDome host the Summit League tournament in the future.


Man that would be SICK!! I really hope that will happen :praying:
Does anyone know when the next bid is open for the tournament? Would the city of Fargo pay for it or NDSU?

[Hammersmith]

Man that would be SICK!! I really hope that will happen :praying:
Does anyone know when the next bid is open for the tournament? Would the city of Fargo pay for it or NDSU?

Sioux Falls has the tourney through 2012. The bid for the 2013-14 tourney will probably go out sometime in mid-2011. Unless Bison basketball moves into the FD full time, expect Fargo to compete heavily for the bid. The bid would come from either the FD management company or some quasi-governmental agency(a Fargo Sports Commission or Metropolitan Sports Authority). I don't know if that kind of agency already exists or would have to be created for the bid. In any case, the bid would be backed by the city and NDSU, as well as by local corporate sponsors(think Microsoft, Cargil, Farmers Mutual Insurance, etc).

[tjbison]

Sioux Falls has the tourney through 2012. The bid for the 2013-14 tourney will probably go out sometime in mid-2011. Unless Bison basketball moves into the FD full time, expect Fargo to compete heavily for the bid. The bid would come from either the FD management company or some quasi-governmental agency(a Fargo Sports Commission or Metropolitan Sports Authority). I don't know if that kind of agency already exists or would have to be created for the bid. In any case, the bid would be backed by the city and NDSU, as well as by local corporate sponsors(think Microsoft, Cargil, Farmers Mutual Insurance, etc).


Like these guys:


http://www.metrotournament.com/

[SDbison]

Back on topic.........
BSA Sucks?
Yes it does, is there any doubt?

So when is NDSU going to do something about this inadequate, piece of crap that is a total embarassment. Has to be by far the worst state school game arena in DI basketball.

I keep hearing something is coming, for the past 3 or 4 years now, and still nothing. Not even a refurbished BSA. WTF?

Fargo and the state of North Dakota loved all the attention with NDSU's basketball teams appearance in the big dance, yet this is how they show their appreciation. Hope everyone understands how the chance of some great athletes getting together through the transition made that run possible. All the momentum is about to be gone and the best possible recruits will not come to play basketball in Fargo in the disgraceful dump that the BSA is........

[SDbison]

Bringing this back to the top........where it belongs. So, do you know that the BSA............

[tjbison]

Bringing this back to the top........where it belongs. So, do you know that the BSA............

Ha ha never gonna let this die are ya!!!:D


This could be the ultimate HOF thread if something new gets built

[Facts]

Bringing this back to the top........where it belongs. So, do you know that the BSA............

...inhales profusely.

[Bison55]

It's pretty sad when I watch the news every night, and when they show high school basketball games, I notice their arenas are nicer than NDSU!

The other night I thought it might be a good idea for NDSU to go play in the Fargo North gym. It would be an improvement!

[duluthbison]

Or we could use the BBFH!! They have new windows (to keep it cool), new floor, new bleachers, and even a stage for the GSMB! :p

[SDbison]

Until NDSU gets a new basketball arena just want to proclaim at least a couple times a week......
THE BSA S-U-C-K-S !

[ndsubison1]

complaining is getting the arena built faster... ;)

[VanClubPres]

I heard this story and thought that someone told SDbison that he really liked the BSA.


SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) A rural Sioux Falls man is facing an aggravated assault charge after allegedly attacking a snow plow driver.

Authorities say 64-year-old Frederick Lambert told officers the plow driver had knocked over the mailbox at his home west of the city Tuesday afternoon.

Lambert allegedly punched the driver in the foot and threatened him with pepper spray.

Minnehaha County Assistant Sheriff Michelle Boyd says the 40-year-old plow driver also claimed Lambert had threatened him with a knife, but no knife was found

Turns out that it wasnt him. But the BSA sucks.

[tjbison]

Until NDSU gets a new basketball arena just want to proclaim at least a couple times a week......
THE BSA S-U-C-K-S !

I secretly deep down actually really like watching games and sweating, its my secret weightloss program!!! Never works though cause lately i've had to leave and down a bunch of beer.:D :D ;)

[NDSUstudent]

ESPN's Pat Forde's review of college basketball arenas... he nails the BSA without even mentioning it by name.....


Almost everything built between 1965 and 1975 (36). This was basically the disco period for America's sporting architects -- nothing but bad ideas. Look at the baseball/football stadia built then: the cookie-cutter round blocks of bland in St. Louis, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. Many of the college basketball arenas constructed at the same time are similarly lacking.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4958649

[Burnt_Secondary]

BSA sucks . . . . has their been any movement? We got the one story in March and then silence?????

[Kermit]

BSA sucks . . . . has their been any movement? We got the one story in March and then silence?????

Well, Dick Hanson did drop this little tidbit during his interview at Bemidji State recently:

http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/event/article/id/100018114


With fundraising efforts, Hanson said he doesn’t mind asking people for money, pointing out that at Waldorf he acquired the single largest gift in the history of the college.

“We’ve been continuing to raise money for projects at NDSU,” he said. “We have a $34 million major renovation on our athletic facility, and we have about $29 million raised right now.”

[roadwarrior]

BSA sucks . . . . has their been any movement? We got the one story in March and then silence?????

Lots of things are happening. But they are happening in private meetings with donors and in corporate board rooms. Construction will begin once the money is found.

[Bison bison]

This is ridiculous!

I demand full disclosure!!!


:)

[HandoEX]

Thank you Jesus! Can't wait to see the ball rolling on this project! The teams definately deserve it!

[SDbison]

BSA sucks (I know everyone knows this) but what really sucks is all the time its taking to get something started. Even when things get going I am going to still be disappointed that the height from floor to ceiling will be the same. Can we get a trade in with Daktronics for a lower profile scoreboard since that beast wasn't intended for such a low ceiling arena. Crap, a basketball player can hardly make a court length pass without hitting it. I don't know how people in the suites will be able to see the court through the rafters and scoreboard. 6000 max seating is a puny size for a DI state school. Also cannot envision how the architects are going to make a thing of beauty with all the limitations. You can wrap a turd in pretty paper and tie a bow around it, but it's still a turd.

[tjbison]

BSA sucks (I know everyone knows this) but what really sucks is all the time its taking to get something started. Even when things get going I am going to still be disappointed that the height from floor to ceiling will be the same. Can we get a trade in with Daktronics for a lower profile scoreboard since that beast wasn't intended for such a low ceiling arena. Crap, a basketball player can hardly make a court length pass without hitting it. I don't know how people in the suites will be able to see the court through the rafters and scoreboard. 6000 max seating is a puny size for a DI state school. Also cannot envision how the architects are going to make a thing of beauty with all the limitations. You can wrap a turd in pretty paper and tie a bow around it, but it's still a turd.


LOL and in some cases a bunny turd:D



BTW I agree SD If they can make that place beautiful great, but I'll have to see it to believe

[Ferd]

Well... you can raise the ceiling, or maybe, lower the floor.

just sayin'

[DjKyRo]

BSA sucks (I know everyone knows this) but what really sucks is all the time its taking to get something started. Even when things get going I am going to still be disappointed that the height from floor to ceiling will be the same. Can we get a trade in with Daktronics for a lower profile scoreboard since that beast wasn't intended for such a low ceiling arena. Crap, a basketball player can hardly make a court length pass without hitting it. I don't know how people in the suites will be able to see the court through the rafters and scoreboard. 6000 max seating is a puny size for a DI state school. Also cannot envision how the architects are going to make a thing of beauty with all the limitations. You can wrap a turd in pretty paper and tie a bow around it, but it's still a turd.

If you can secure $30 million before the suits at NDSU's administration can I'm sure they'd appreciate it. :)

[SDbison]

If you can secure $30 million before the suits at NDSU's administration can I'm sure they'd appreciate it. :)
Sorry not my job......and just like Gene Taylor fails to secure the 6th home football games, or waits until last minute with questionable results, so also the "suits" have failed to get something done about the BSA, which should have happened years ago.