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JacksFan06
10-22-2009, 02:00 PM
Some pretty interesting facts put together by Terry V that shows the football budgets for each team and than equates that money to how many wins the programs have had the past two years.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPostId=Blog%3a69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c Post%3a0eeae707-c52d-4600-af28-2da57d779fd7&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

bisonmike2
10-22-2009, 03:26 PM
T-Vac is determined to beat the hell out of that angle isn't he? Nobody respects us, we do more with less, we're the little football program that could, the world is against us yet we succeed etc, etc. I'm not sure a 1 1/2 time frame is long enough to predict any concrete trends.

Scooter1
10-22-2009, 03:36 PM
Interresting Statistic.

In the 43 years I have been on this earth...
SDSU has spent $XXXXX.00 on football
They have won 0 championships.
Now that's bang for your buck.
It is about SUSTAINED SUCCESS idiot.
Come back when you actually win something.

cvbison1
10-22-2009, 03:45 PM
Interresting Statistic.

In the 43 years I have been on this earth...
SDSU has spent $XXXXX.00 on football
They have won 0 championships.
Now that's bang for your buck.
It is about SUSTAINED SUCCESS idiot.
Come back when you actually win something.

this is EXACTLY what i was thinking.....exactly

tjbison
10-22-2009, 04:17 PM
Some pretty interesting facts put together by Terry V that shows the football budgets for each team and than equates that money to how many wins the programs have had the past two years.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPostId=Blog%3a69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c Post%3a0eeae707-c52d-4600-af28-2da57d779fd7&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest



Why does he just pick the last 2 years???? so what that it compares the MVFC, he's only going back the years he considers a success at Bunny U

JacksFan06
10-22-2009, 04:33 PM
Leave it to Bisonville fans to see this as a "smack" article. I thought of it differently in that it was intriguing to see the other MoValley school budgets and to see how many translates to success. (Even in the NDSU's case with the fact that people still view NDSU as a top team for what they've been able to do and not because of the past couple years)
If anything, I think SDSU fans took it as a negative to see how badly we compare to other teams in the MoValley. We already knew the "more with less" philosophy but I think most of us didn't realize how much less and it is embarrassing to see.

The reason TV focused on the past two years are pretty obvious, those are the only two years we've been in the Missouri Valley. And the last 1 1/2 weren't anymore successful than the past 5 years for us. We've gone virtually 7-4 all those years, which has been pointed out often.

Here's another good article written by a man from North Dakota that hits on similar points.

http://www.championshipsubdivisionnews.com/index.php/2009/10/21/csn-west-football-fortunes-change-in-the?blog=5

Once again, this article isn't posted with the intent of "smack" but with the intent for people who are interested in football in their region.

Rabbitlivinginverm
10-22-2009, 04:54 PM
Leave it to Bisonville fans to see this as a "smack" article. I thought of it differently in that it was intriguing to see the other MoValley school budgets and to see how many translates to success. (Even in the NDSU's case with the fact that people still view NDSU as a top team for what they've been able to do and not because of the past couple years)
If anything, I think SDSU fans took it as a negative to see how badly we compare to other teams in the MoValley. We already knew the "more with less" philosophy but I think most of us didn't realize how much less and it is embarrassing to see.

The reason TV focused on the past two years are pretty obvious, those are the only two years we've been in the Missouri Valley. And the last 1 1/2 weren't anymore successful than the past 5 years for us. We've gone virtually 7-4 all those years, which has been pointed out often.

Here's another good article written by a man from North Dakota that hits on similar points.

http://www.championshipsubdivisionnews.com/index.php/2009/10/21/csn-west-football-fortunes-change-in-the?blog=5

Once again, this article isn't posted with the intent of "smack" but with the intent for people who are interested in football in their region.

Excatly how I saw the article and the subsequent posts on here.

bisonmike2
10-22-2009, 05:14 PM
I didn't mean to take it down smack alley. I've applauded SDSU for doing very good with alot less. I was just commenting on the recent stuff from T-Vac has been "HEY LOOK AT US! WE ARE GOOD EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE LESS THAT STELLAR FACILITIES AND WE SPEND LESS MONEY ON OUR PROGRAMS! SEE WE ARE CONSISTENTLY BEATING TEAMS THAT HAVE HAD A HISTORY OF SUCCESS! SEE! SEE! LOOK AT US!" At some point he should accept the fact that you have a pretty damn good program and your obviously spending your money wisely. And I'm not buying those numbers anyway. With NDSU's recent budgetary problems we've probably actually spent $1.5 million in real money and the $1.4 million difference is wasted money administrators used to charter planes to go to various crap across the country. Or to buy stuff like 100 new footballs for practice at a price of $350,000.

Gully
10-23-2009, 11:29 PM
Can you say Napoleon syndrome?

Herd
10-24-2009, 10:37 AM
It's interesting to see what each school is spending. That's it, that's all it tells me. $/win? . . . meaningless, especially over a 2 year stretch, meaningless.

I appreciate you posting it.

Gully
10-24-2009, 11:05 AM
Some pretty interesting facts put together by Terry V that shows the football budgets for each team and than equates that money to how many wins the programs have had the past two years.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPostId=Blog%3a69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c Post%3a0eeae707-c52d-4600-af28-2da57d779fd7&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

Isn't it amazing that SDSU can't raise more money than that?

JackJD
10-25-2009, 04:50 AM
Isn't it amazing that SDSU can't raise more money than that?

Study the number of sports sponsored by the various schools in the MVFC and the in the Summit League. No question we don't raise enough money (is there every "enough" money?) but we're spreading around the money to more sports than many other schools. The money raised will increase.

BisManBison
10-29-2009, 02:53 PM
Holy she-it, somebody finally did it:

Indiana State Budget: $2,100,000
Indiana State Conference Wins (2008-2009, prior to article): 0

$2,100,000/0 = $3,150,000+???????

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh189/cchorne/ysoab.jpg

Mr. Burgundy
10-30-2009, 02:26 AM
TV is getting pretty predictable down in Brookings. He is basically concerned with the facilities being worse, how they recruit better people, how Stig is a great man and works with less, and how they do more with less, more with less and more with less.

I loved it when he was beating it into our heads that they won a QB recruiting battle and he finally came back and said, well.. actually NDSU didn't offer him a scholarship (maybe we should have by the way)....but he is getting pretty old in his "Poor SDSU" articles.

We get it Terry....you will get back to Fargo eventually.

NDSUstudent
10-30-2009, 05:02 AM
Interesting article from Cedar Falls...


Cedar Falls, Ia. — Northern Iowa officials need to examine the financial viability of continuing the school's scholarship football program, a member of the State Board of Regents suggested Thursday.

"Sooner or later, UNI is going to have to address scholarship football," Michael Gartner, told Ben Allen, school president, during a discussion of the school's proposed budget cuts for the current academic year.

Gartner, owner of the Iowa Cubs and a Regent member, has been critical of Northern Iowa's reliance on large amounts of general fund assistance to finance its 18-sport athletic department. But he insisted he wasn't expressing an opinion about whether the scholarship program should continue, be dropped or downgraded to a nonscholarship level.

"Eventually it's an issue that has to be addressed because so much tuition and general appropriation money goes into the athletic department at UNI in contrast to ISU and the University of Iowa," Gartner said.

Allen had no immediate response to Gartner's comment.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20091029/SPORTS020702/910300345/1003/SPORTS

Gully
10-30-2009, 11:19 AM
Interesting article from Cedar Falls...

WOW. That doesn't sound good for UNI. I'm surprised they don't have more support, although I'm sure that having Iowa and Iowa State really garners most people's support. After thinking that through, I think it's sort of amazing they moved up to DI from the old NCC.

JackJD
10-30-2009, 01:21 PM
I have some recollection of when UNI moved up -- was in college at SDSU at the time. Football great Stan Sheriff was the AD and he was bound and determined to resist efforts to cap and even reduce scholarships in the NCC. Back then, NCAA was University Division and College Division...the D I, II and III came a few years later. UNI announced they were going up and there was a lot of discussion about whether NDSU would go with them. We were disappointed to lose UNI and glad the NCC remained relatively intact with NDSU deciding to stay. If my memory is correct, there was very little study and debate about it. UNI said it was thinking about it and within a year it was a done deal.

Leonardite
10-30-2009, 05:09 PM
Interesting article from Cedar Falls...

Good grief, could you imagine? What a blow to FCS football that would be.

Bison bison
10-30-2009, 07:20 PM
Iowa has slashed their support for higher education this year.

I love college athletics, but I think it should be relatively self-sustaining.

BisBison
10-30-2009, 09:50 PM
Good grief, could you imagine? What a blow to FCS football that would be.

That was one member of the board speaking his mind not the consensus of the board as I read it.

Bison bison
10-31-2009, 12:43 AM
UNI's budget for the current year was cut by 8.8 million earlier this month. This is after it was slashed by more than twice that amount earlier this year.

A drop from 100 million dollars to 70 million dollars from Des Moines, that's real cash money. And yet state funds to athletics should be safe - bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

80ALUM
11-02-2009, 04:10 PM
Some pretty interesting facts put together by Terry V that shows the football budgets for each team and than equates that money to how many wins the programs have had the past two years.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckPersona&U=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPersonaPage=BlogViewPost&plckUserId=69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c&plckPostId=Blog%3a69144e41448a46579a2772abd68f472c Post%3a0eeae707-c52d-4600-af28-2da57d779fd7&plckController=PersonaBlog&plckScript=personaScript&plckElementId=personaDest

Not sure if I am reading this article right but the budget listed is for 2007-08 but the team record is not for that year. I believe in 07-08 we were 10-1.:confused:

Bison bison
11-02-2009, 04:21 PM
dangit, 80alum.

don't mess with folks who are cherry-picking statistics to make a point!

80ALUM
11-02-2009, 04:23 PM
Yeh no kidding. Whatever gets you through right?

tony
11-02-2009, 04:35 PM
dangit, 80alum.

don't mess with folks who are cherry-picking statistics to make a point!

Yeah, nine times out of ten, people who argue with statistics rather than facts+logic are full of crap... er, yeah.

bisonmike2
11-02-2009, 09:10 PM
Yeah, nine times out of ten, people who argue with statistics rather than facts+logic are full of crap... er, yeah.

60% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

gotts
11-02-2009, 09:26 PM
60% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Something tells me you're only 81% sure of that...

NDSUstudent
11-24-2009, 02:53 AM
There are a few MVFC teams running huge deficits.....Here are the newly updated numbers from OPE....

Expenses...
UNI-$3.77 million
NDSU-3.29
SIU-3.21
YSU-2.73
Ill St-2.66
MSU-2.48
WIU-2.20
Ind St-2.08
SDSU-1.80

Revenue...
NDSU-3.29
UNI-3.13
YSU-2.73
MSU-2.35
WIU-2.20
SDSU-1.80
SIU-1.45
Ill St-1.41
Ind St-1.35

IzzyFlexion
11-24-2009, 01:29 PM
There are a few MVFC teams running huge deficits.....Here are the newly updated numbers from OPE....

Expenses...
UNI-$3.77 million
NDSU-3.29
SIU-3.21
YSU-2.73
Ill St-2.66
MSU-2.48
WIU-2.20
Ind St-2.08
SDSU-1.80

Revenue...
NDSU-3.29
UNI-3.13
YSU-2.73
MSU-2.35
WIU-2.20
SDSU-1.80
SIU-1.45
Ill St-1.41
Ind St-1.35

So....I guess Illinois State has some work to do if they're thinking they can go FBS in football. Perhaps their community and/or alumni haven't gotten the memo.??

Bison Dan
11-24-2009, 02:57 PM
Anyone know what "Not Allocated Expense" is?

IzzyFlexion
11-24-2009, 03:08 PM
Anyone know what "Not Allocated Expense" is?

Perhaps the most relevent and/or topical examples that I can think of can be reviewed in the 59 threads that pertain to discussions tied to a cute little rhyme.
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TheBisonator
11-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Holy crap, we spent 3.3 million dollars last year on football. We should be getting more than 9 wins out of 2 seasons for that...:banghead:

Twentysix
12-12-2009, 09:18 AM
Holy she-it, somebody finally did it:

Indiana State Budget: $2,100,000
Indiana State Conference Wins (2008-2009, prior to article): 0

$2,100,000/0 = $3,150,000+???????

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh189/cchorne/ysoab.jpg

HAHAHA i thought the exact same fucking thing hahahahahaahahahhah Then i read what you wrote. You deserve a green tic tac.