Injured and/or Returning Bison

[HandoEX]

Who was out against Wagner that may be returning for SIU?

Veldman?
Williams?
Gatlin?
Kittleson?
Eaves?
Vandal?

Anyone else I'm forgetting? I think a few of these guys will be out for a few games, but if anyone has an update on these guys or other injured Bison to share, that would be great!

[Kermit]

Who was out against Wagner that may be returning for SIU?

Veldman?
Williams?
Gatlin?
Kittleson?
Eaves?
Vandal?

Anyone else I'm forgetting? I think a few of these guys will be out for a few games, but if anyone has an update on these guys or other injured Bison to share, that would be great!

I believe Kevin Jackson has been out for the past couple of weeks as well (illness?). Eaves, Gatlin, and Jackson would make the depth/athleticism of the secondary look considerably better.

I expect that both Williams (MCL?) and Vandal (leg fracture?) will need a few more weeks due to the nature of their injuries.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Kevin Jackson has something wrong, like a blood disorder or something. Didn't sound too serious when I heard about it. I hope we can get him on the field, we need that speed.

Vandal is the biggest loss we have right now. He is a bigtime pro prospect according to the coaches when they were watching them grade out our big fullback from last year (sorry, forgetting his name right now). When he comes back, he gives us that fullback out of the backfield, the lead blocker and a great pass protector. Then you have Veldman who can stretch the field up the middle, something we lack currently. Gary was a starting WR. Alot of weapons not on the field for Nick, and more importantly Vigen.

Will Breske in a week be ready for some serious speed down in Illinois? Will the linebackers be more prepared with another week after the position change? Will the D Line put some pressure on their QB? Can we continue to run the ball as well as we have? As long as we can run the ball, we will be in games.

[HandoEX]

Does this sound correct from what you guys have heard for SIU?

Possibly/Probably Returning
Gatlin
Veldman
Kittleson
Eaves
Jackson


Out
Williams
Vandal


4 defensive players returning could make a difference, especially in the secondary and lb corps. Here's to Veldman coming back 110%:cheers:

[BisManBison]

Kevin Jackson has something wrong, like a blood disorder or something. Didn't sound too serious when I heard about it. I hope we can get him on the field, we need that speed.

Vandal is the biggest loss we have right now. He is a bigtime pro prospect according to the coaches when they were watching them grade out our big fullback from last year (sorry, forgetting his name right now). When he comes back, he gives us that fullback out of the backfield, the lead blocker and a great pass protector. Then you have Veldman who can stretch the field up the middle, something we lack currently. Gary was a starting WR. Alot of weapons not on the field for Nick, and more importantly Vigen.

Will Breske in a week be ready for some serious speed down in Illinois? Will the linebackers be more prepared with another week after the position change? Will the D Line put some pressure on their QB? Can we continue to run the ball as well as we have? As long as we can run the ball, we will be in games.

Tyler Jangula

[LifeLongBison]

Also DE Garret Johnson.

Don't we get him back for SIU?

If he can put some heat on the QB, our dbacks all of a sudden might look good.

I have some concern against the run, however.
If Wagner was able to run the ball on us, I'm sure Lennon will try to pound the ball at us as well. I'd imagine they have a better o-line than Wagner and just as good a running back.

[BIGTIME]

SIU will have the best running back on the field next Saturday, I know Paschall is good, but this guy is great. Deji Karim will be a name that is called over and over by Lennon or his offensive coordinator, next weekend.

[roadwarrior]

Also DE Garret Johnson.

Don't we get him back for SIU?

He played against Wagner.

[IzzyFlexion]

Daniel Eaves did play against Wagner but I don't know how much. I remember him making a solo tackle and confirmed it looking at the game stats.

[IzzyFlexion]

Kevin Jackson has something wrong, like a blood disorder or something. Didn't sound too serious when I heard about it. I hope we can get him on the field, we need that speed.

Vandal is the biggest loss we have right now. He is a bigtime pro prospect according to the coaches when they were watching them grade out our big fullback from last year (sorry, forgetting his name right now). When he comes back, he gives us that fullback out of the backfield, the lead blocker and a great pass protector. Then you have Veldman who can stretch the field up the middle, something we lack currently. Gary was a starting WR. Alot of weapons not on the field for Nick, and more importantly Vigen.

Will Breske in a week be ready for some serious speed down in Illinois? Will the linebackers be more prepared with another week after the position change? Will the D Line put some pressure on their QB? Can we continue to run the ball as well as we have? As long as we can run the ball, we will be in games.

He is just beyond the 4 week mark since his fracture diagnosis. I wish that I knew more about the nature of the injury because there are so many different "out time" scenarios for several different types of lower extremity fractures. He did appear to be walking normally in street clothes on the sideline the other night.

[RuralBison]

Heard from a good source he has started running on it last Thursday. He isnt close to 100%yet but is hoping to be close by Friday with Drew Hushka's injury.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Heard from a good source he has started running on it last Thursday. He isnt close to 100%yet but is hoping to be close by Friday with Drew Hushka's injury.

what actually happened to Drew...heard his shoulder was hurting?

[bisontwice]

what actually happened to Drew...heard his shoulder was hurting?

Dislocated shoulder, typically a 2-4 weeks.

[IronRanger]

I saw Yuen Taufete'e today and he had his left arm in a loose sling today. Anyone know what happened?

[TheBisonator]

Oh God, have we gotten hit by the injury pandemic again?? This really sucks. Can't we have a season in which we have no more than 3 guys out in any given game?? Sorry, I'm starting to sound like SDbison now. I'll quit.:)

[TheBisonator]

Just for the record, Eaves is already back, Veldman and Kittleson should both be in for Saturday, and I think Jackson and Gatlin are also probable as well. Vandal is now 4 weeks removed from his fracture and Williams is about 3 weeks removed from his MCL sprain (or was it a tear?), so they'll both be back in maybe 2 weeks??

Veldman, Gatlin, Kittelson, Eaves and Jackson you don't have to worry about anymore. Looks like only Williams and Vandal are still injured. Don't know about Taufete'e.

[CarringtonBison]

Just for the record, Eaves is already back, Veldman and Kittleson should both be in for Saturday, and I think Jackson and Gatlin are also probable as well. Vandal is now 4 weeks removed from his fracture and Williams is about 3 weeks removed from his MCL sprain (or was it a tear?), so they'll both be back in maybe 2 weeks??

Veldman, Gatlin, Kittelson, Eaves and Jackson you don't have to worry about anymore. Looks like only Williams and Vandal are still injured. Don't know about Taufete'e.

Sprain=tear, just depends on how severe. A mild (Grade 1) is very small tear and will heal in 2-3 weeks. Grade 2 and 3 are more severe (grade 3 is a complete tear, IIRC) and require more time out.

[bisontwice]

Just for the record, Eaves is already back, Veldman and Kittleson should both be in for Saturday, and I think Jackson and Gatlin are also probable as well. Vandal is now 4 weeks removed from his fracture and Williams is about 3 weeks removed from his MCL sprain (or was it a tear?), so they'll both be back in maybe 2 weeks??

Veldman, Gatlin, Kittelson, Eaves and Jackson you don't have to worry about anymore. Looks like only Williams and Vandal are still injured. Don't know about Taufete'e.

Missed Hushka on the list, I believe listed as doubtful yesterday.

[IzzyFlexion]

Sprain=tear, just depends on how severe. A mild (Grade 1) is very small tear and will heal in 2-3 weeks. Grade 2 and 3 are more severe (grade 3 is a complete tear, IIRC) and require more time out.

Grade 3 MCL would be out for the year and rarely happens without some ACL damage.

[X-Factor]

SIU will have the best running back on the field next Saturday, I know Paschall is good, but this guy is great. Deji Karim will be a name that is called over and over by Lennon or his offensive coordinator, next weekend.

That is so far off base I don't even know where to start

[bisonmike2]

SIU will have the best running back on the field next Saturday, I know Paschall is good, but this guy is great. Deji Karim will be a name that is called over and over by Lennon or his offensive coordinator, next weekend.

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/sep2009/7/0/kanye-west-and-taylor-swift-pic-getty-image-1-364547169.jpg
Hey Bigtime, I know Deji Karim is a good running back and I'm gonna let you finish, but Pat Paschall is one of the best running backs of ALL-TIME!!!

[A1pigskin]

I don't want to see a repeat of last year when Roehl was hurt. That is playing when your hurt and doing more damage to the injury.

[BisonNolesFan77]

Grade 3 MCL would be out for the year and rarely happens without some ACL damage.

There is a grade 4 as well, 3 and 4 is when surgery starts coming into play...tore my MCL my senior year of high school in a perseason scrimmage, played through the season, and had arthroscopic surgery after the season. Running on a hard surface (Basketball Court, FargoDome field) was impossible, but on a softer natural grass field playing football it wasent so bad. I think I lucked out not having any ACL damage...

[A1pigskin]

It seems like we see ACL injuries a lot. Is it due to the cement floor we play on???

[CarringtonBison]

There is a grade 4 as well, 3 and 4 is when surgery starts coming into play...tore my MCL my senior year of high school in a perseason scrimmage, played through the season, and had arthroscopic surgery after the season. Running on a hard surface (Basketball Court, FargoDome field) was impossible, but on a softer natural grass field playing football it wasent so bad. I think I lucked out not having any ACL damage...

Most of the current literature suggests that you don't even need to do surgery on the MCL. However, when a high grade MCL sprain occurs, an ACL tear is present and may need surgery (as stated above). That said not all ACL tears need to be repaired, either. it all depends on the activity level of the individual. Athletes generally get them repaired.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Most of the current literature suggests that you don't even need to do surgery on the MCL. However, when a high grade MCL sprain occurs, an ACL tear is present and may need surgery (as stated above). That said not all ACL tears need to be repaired, either. it all depends on the activity level of the individual. Athletes generally get them repaired.

Wouldnt you agree Carrington that with the ACL and MCL tears or high grade sprain you usually see see medial meniscus damage and this leads to a lot of the pain upon running due to the compression forces. Thus Bisonnoles observation of more pain upon running on hard surfaces compared to running on more forgiving surfaces????????

[CarringtonBison]

Wouldnt you agree Carrington that with the ACL and MCL tears or high grade sprain you usually see see medial meniscus damage and this leads to a lot of the pain upon running due to the compression forces. Thus Bisonnoles observation of more pain upon running on hard surfaces compared to running on more forgiving surfaces????????

Yes, that is the "terrible triad"-MCL tear, ACL tear, and meniscus tear (almost always medial). If you have a meniscus tear, there is a lot of pain with running d/t the forces, mainly a shearing force-that is where arthroscopic surgery comes into place. To either repair or remove the meniscus. Softer surfaces make a bit of difference, but usually the forces of the body weight through the knee (more force goes through the medical compartment of the knee) is the bigger determining factor.

[runtheoption]

Yes, that is the "terrible triad"-MCL tear, ACL tear, and meniscus tear (almost always medial). If you have a meniscus tear, there is a lot of pain with running d/t the forces, mainly a shearing force-that is where arthroscopic surgery comes into place. To either repair or remove the meniscus. Softer surfaces make a bit of difference, but usually the forces of the body weight through the knee (more force goes through the medical compartment of the knee) is the bigger determining factor.

Guy on my rugby club did the "quad" on a seemingly innocent cut back move, with no contact involved - MCL, ACL, LCL and meniscus. Took him almost 2 years to get back to normal.

[BisonNolesFan77]

Wouldnt you agree Carrington that with the ACL and MCL tears or high grade sprain you usually see see medial meniscus damage and this leads to a lot of the pain upon running due to the compression forces. Thus Bisonnoles observation of more pain upon running on hard surfaces compared to running on more forgiving surfaces????????

Yes...my miniscus was beyond repair, thus leaving me without one in my right knee...Carrington, typical Bisonville thread drift here, but you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about knee injuries, I have always figured that my right knee will probably give me trouble as I get older due to having the miniscus removed, is that a safe assumption or am I way off base?

[A1pigskin]

Guy on my rugby club did the "quad" on a seemingly innocent cut back move, with no contact involved - MCL, ACL, LCL and meniscus. Took him almost 2 years to get back to normal.

Holy sh&$.. That's a long time. Ouch.....

[CarringtonBison]

Yes...my miniscus was beyond repair, thus leaving me without one in my right knee...Carrington, typical Bisonville thread drift here, but you seem to be pretty knowledgeable about knee injuries, I have always figured that my right knee will probably give me trouble as I get older due to having the miniscus removed, is that a safe assumption or am I way off base?

By removing the meniscus you can expect knee issues down the road, mainly an increased risk of osteoarthritis so take your chondroiton/glucosamine

[BlueBisonRock]

By removing the meniscus you can expect knee issues down the road, mainly an increased risk of osteoarthritis so take your chondroiton/glucosamine

Continuing with thread drift: Does chondroiton/glucosamine provide benefits to a person with long term osteoarthritis? (no running for this cowboy)

[CarringtonBison]

Continuing with thread drift: Does chondroiton/glucosamine provide benefits to a person with long term osteoarthritis? (no running for this cowboy)

yes, a double blind study has shown benefit for osteoarthritis. i think it was in the knees, but all the orthopedists I know recommend to their patients to start it.

[A1pigskin]

yes, a double blind study has shown benefit for osteoarthritis. i think it was in the knees, but all the orthopedists I know recommend to their patients to start it.

I new I was going to learn stuff from this site.......

[BisonNolesFan77]

By removing the meniscus you can expect knee issues down the road, mainly an increased risk of osteoarthritis so take your chondroiton/glucosamine

Awesome...23 and already looking forward to knee problems! :banghead:

[BlueBisonRock]

yes, a double blind study has shown benefit for osteoarthritis. i think it was in the knees, but all the orthopedists I know recommend to their patients to start it.

Thanks. I will continue with the pills and an occasional synvisc treatment.