Timberwolves Summer League Roster

[bisonhusker]

22 Corey Brewer F 6-9 188 3/5/86 Florida 2
1 Bobby Brown G 6-2 175 9/24/84 Cal State Fullerton 1
23 Pat Carroll G/F 6-5 190 9/10/82 St. Joseph's R
19 Wayne Ellington G 6-4 200 11/29/87 North Carolina R
11 Jonny Flynn G 6-0 185 2/6/89 Syracuse R
17 Devin Green G 6-7 212 10/25/82 Hampton 1
12 Paul Harris G/F 6-4 230 10/15/86 Syracuse R
15 Gerald Henderson G 6-4 215 12/7/87 Duke R
51 Steven Hill C 7-0 248 11/14/85 Arkansas 1
4 Oleksiy Pecherov F 7-0 234 12/8/85 Ukraine 2
20 Garrett Siler C 6-11 305 10/25/86 Augusta State R
7 Ben Woodside G 5-11 185 7/1/85 North Dakota State R


I really like that list. Some great talent around him, and it looks like there should be some nice minutes for Ben to be running the show. I know they will want Flynn playing a TON, but Ben should get some clock.

[99Bison]

Not much height there for an nba team.

[SirHinn]

Not much height there for an nba team.

2 7 footers and a 6'11 guy, thats more size then the twolves will see in their actual rotation.

[ndsubison1]

Ben Woodside
Not drafted by an NBA franchise out of North Dakota State... Started all 118 games of his college career with the North Dakota State Bison, averaging 19.6 points, 5.4 assists and 1.5 steals per game... Led the Bison in scoring (23.2), assists (6.2) and free-throw percentage (84.0%) as a senior in 2008-09, while ranking second in steals (1.4) and three-point percentage (42.7%)... Hit game-winning shot in the Summit League Tournament Final to earn NDSU's first ever NCAA tournament appearance... Named AP All-America Honorable Mention as senior... Earned Summit League Player of the Year honors in 2008-09 and named to the First Team All-Summit League as both a junior and senior... Finished his collegiate career as NDSU's leader in points (2,315), free throws made (687) and games played (118) while ranking second in field goals made (700) and assists (640).

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/Wolves_Announce_2009_Vegas_Sum-090630.html

[bisonmike2]

22 Corey Brewer F 6-9 188 3/5/86 Florida 2
1 Bobby Brown G 6-2 175 9/24/84 Cal State Fullerton 1
23 Pat Carroll G/F 6-5 190 9/10/82 St. Joseph's R
19 Wayne Ellington G 6-4 200 11/29/87 North Carolina R
11 Jonny Flynn G 6-0 185 2/6/89 Syracuse R
17 Devin Green G 6-7 212 10/25/82 Hampton 1
12 Paul Harris G/F 6-4 230 10/15/86 Syracuse R
15 Gerald Henderson G 6-4 215 12/7/87 Duke R
51 Steven Hill C 7-0 248 11/14/85 Arkansas 1
4 Oleksiy Pecherov F 7-0 234 12/8/85 Ukraine 2
20 Garrett Siler C 6-11 305 10/25/86 Augusta State R
7 Ben Woodside G 5-11 185 7/1/85 North Dakota State R


I really like that list. Some great talent around him, and it looks like there should be some nice minutes for Ben to be running the show. I know they will want Flynn playing a TON, but Ben should get some clock.

Where's Rubio???:)

[lcbison]

Where's Rubio???:)

Probably getting fitted for his NY Knicks uniform

[bisonhusker]

why would the wolves trade Rubio? If he stays over there, he will continue to dominate and his stock will raise....just another bargaining chip for David Kahn to play with. I like it. Fun to actually have people talking about the wolves. Knicks have NOTHING to bargain with. Nate Robinson? Sorry...no smurfs needed.

Also, how much with Dan Fegan (Agent for Rubio) make if he signs in Spain next year? Answer....ZERO. Odds of an agent wanting to make zero....ZERO.

My guess is that he is a Wolf next year, running the show and Flynn is moved. But, I like the way Kahn is handling this.

Sorry....back to Woody on the roster! Congrats.

[99Bison]

2 7 footers and a 6'11 guy, thats more size then the twolves will see in their actual rotation.

It's the only 3 guys between 6-5 and 6-11 that is weird.

[Mr. Burgundy]

TIMBERWOLVES SUMMER LEAGUE SCHEDULE (All Times CDT)
DATE OPPONENT LOCATION TIPOFF
July 12 Houston COX Pavilion 5:00 p.m.
July 13 NBA D-League Select COX Pavilion 3:00 p.m.
July 17 Washington COX Pavilion 7:00 p.m.
July 18 New Orleans Thomas & Mack 5:30 p.m.
July 19 Chicago COX Pavilion 5:00 p.m.

[TheDoctor]

Maybe this is a stupid question....but why is Henderson on the T-Wolves summer roster? They didn't draft him, Charlotte did.

15 Gerald Henderson G 6-4 215 12/7/87 Duke R

[ndsubison1]

Maybe this is a stupid question....but why is Henderson on the T-Wolves summer roster? They didn't draft him, Charlotte did.

15 Gerald Henderson G 6-4 215 12/7/87 Duke R

Charlotte isn't participating in this years Summer League

[TheDoctor]

Charlotte isn't participating in this years Summer League

There you go! Thanks! ;)

[bisonhusker]

just so you guys know, I typically watch these games online for free.

channelsurfing typically has them.

[onbison09]

Is this on TV at all?

[SamsRams]

Is this on TV at all?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22vegas+summer+league%22+%2B+schedule

[ndsubison1]

Wolves first Summer League game is Sunday at 5 pm central...

[Mr. Burgundy]

I will be watching on channelsurfing. It looks like they have it on the schedule at 5PM

[klomp44]

Spurs are playing right now. Man, George Hill can throw it down.

[huckleberry]

For those of us stuck in airports, can someone post updates on this page for woody's pts/asst output? thanks!

[onbison09]

For those of us stuck in airports, can someone post updates on this page for woody's pts/asst output? thanks!
I'll try...it's on www.channelsurfing.net (http://www.channelsurfing.net) btw.

[onbison09]

He's not starting.

[onbison09]

So far Johnny F. has a bunch of TOs.

[onbison09]

Man if Ben wasn't playing I couldn't watch this. He's still not in.

[onbison09]

Yikes that was an ugly 1st quater.

[huckleberry]

For real? no PT?

pat mills of portland broke his foot, maybe twolves dont want to play woody becuz port. would pick him up?

[onbison09]

Anyone know if he's going to play?

[onbison09]

Halftime, no PT yet. :(

[onbison09]

Still not playing :banghead: :banghead: . Must not be getting in this game.

[North Side]

o well still have some games left

[ndsubison1]

he'll get some PT... this is summer league there's no way he wont play

[SamsRams]

Yeah too bad he didn't get any minutes but there are still plenty of games to go. I was at the game and talked to Ben afterwards. He said coach had told him he might not get in this game. Also said it was the first time in his career he got a DNP Coach's descision.

[WRSDBison]

When do they play again and is he expected to get any PT?

[Bison"FANatic"]

I think it is in about 4 minutes
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-nba-summer-league.html

[Thunder_Struck]

Woodside IN!!!!!

[ndsubison1]

Woodside's statline:

8:29 min 0-1 FG 1-2 FT 1 Assist 1 Steal 1 pts

[Mr. Burgundy]

I think Woody started for the Wolves today. I am doing some digging.

[Mr. Burgundy]

17 minutes. 6 points 4 assists.

[jcdcubs]

Ben Woodside Summer League Stats

G MPG FG% 3p% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
2 13.0 .333 .000 .750 0.5 2.5 0.5 0.0 1.00 0.00 3.5

[NDSUstudent]

17 minutes. 6 points 4 assists.

Nice to see Woody do well in at least one game. I read a blog that kind of ripped him after his first game, and I knew he would do well if given another shot.

[VegasBison]

Here's a local article on Woody.

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/51091442.html

[KC Bison]

The Mpls Tribune today (7/20) I'm not going to intrepret what this means but it can't be all bad that they started Ben. Now this afternoon, they traded Sebastian Telfair away.

Goodbye Vegas, hello Espana (http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/wolves/2009/07/20/goodbye-vegas-hello-espana/)

Posted on July 20th, 2009 – 2:40 AM
By Jerry Zgoda The Wolves concluded their Las Vegas Summer League play Sunday with a 1-4 record after a 93-85 loss to Chicago in which Ben Woodside started at point guard while Jonny Flynn, who proved himself able to get to the rim and finish about anytime he wanted most of the week, came off the bench and had 7 points, 7 assists and 4 turnovers in 23 minutes.

[WildBill]

The Mpls Tribune today (7/20) I'm not going to intrepret what this means but it can't be all bad that they started Ben. Now this afternoon, they traded Sebastian Telfair away.

Goodbye Vegas, hello Espana (http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/wolves/2009/07/20/goodbye-vegas-hello-espana/)

Posted on July 20th, 2009 – 2:40 AM
By Jerry Zgoda The Wolves concluded their Las Vegas Summer League play Sunday with a 1-4 record after a 93-85 loss to Chicago in which Ben Woodside started at point guard while Jonny Flynn, who proved himself able to get to the rim and finish about anytime he wanted most of the week, came off the bench and had 7 points, 7 assists and 4 turnovers in 23 minutes.


Lol. That's because Ricky Rubio will be in Minnesota soon. From what i heard from a few is Woody needs to work on his defense a little. Don't shoot the messenger, just what i heard.

[Civil06]

Lol. That's because Ricky Rubio will be in Minnesota soon. From what i heard from a few is Woody needs to work on his defense a little. Don't shoot the messenger, just what i heard.

Doesn't everybody in the NBA*?? http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/63713939.VPwOC7GO.rimshot.gif


*Not very funny - I just like this emoticon.

[WRSDBison]

They just traded their only veteran PG in Sebastian Telfair. All the more likely Rubio will be coming next year

[ndsubison1]

Doesn't everybody in the NBA*?? http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/63713939.VPwOC7GO.rimshot.gif


*Not very funny - I just like this emoticon.

Fast guards, athletic forwards and huge centers usually make defenders look bad...

[IzzyFlexion]

My 16 y/o son and I completely disagree on Rubio. He thinks he'll be an NBA great but I'm just not convinced.

[unbison]

who knows about rubio..... i am a huge woodside fan after the ride he took us on this year...... his defense is suspect.... even his coach chided him the night he broke the scoring record for having a steal in the game if i remember correctly

[BeckerBison]

Woodside is as good as Telfair. I am saying that seriously not just as a Bison fan.

[roadwarrior]

Ben has switched sports and is now playing baseball. Well, at least he threw out the first pitch at the Redhawks game tuesday night. I think Siminic tried to sign him as he walked off the field.

[stevdock]

I completely agree with you that Ben is as good as Telfair. I also haven't seen enough out of Rubio to say that there is too much of a difference between Rubio and Woody, except Woody can score more consistently. I can't imagine that there is a huge difference in speed and quickness. The main difference between the 2 is 5 years and that's about all I see right now. Hopefully one of them can prove me wrong with the Wolves.

[NDSUstudent]

Woody is a better shooter. But there is a huge difference in creativity with ball, especially in transition, and Rubio is 6'4. Woodside's biggest problem has always been his size.

[Bison"FANatic"]

I completely agree with you that Ben is as good as Telfair. I also haven't seen enough out of Rubio to say that there is too much of a difference between Rubio and Woody, except Woody can score more consistently. I can't imagine that there is a huge difference in speed and quickness. The main difference between the 2 is 5 years and that's about all I see right now. Hopefully one of them can prove me wrong with the Wolves.

I have to disagree as much as I would like to see Ben be the star of a team I just don't see it. I have watched some of Rubio and he is just quicker and more creative with the ball. He can knock down the shots. Not the same league as Ben. Huge difference between top 10 pick in the draft and the undrafted. Ben did good in the summer league but when I watched he looked a step slower and gave up some drives to the hoop that made him look 2 steps slow. Maybe once he adjusts to the speed of the game at that level he could compete but he looked to me like a year in Europe would let him get used to the speed. Believe me I want to see him in the NBA and maybe he could be a back up point. I guess we will see.

[IzzyFlexion]

I have to disagree as much as I would like to see Ben be the star of a team I just don't see it. I have watched some of Rubio and he is just quicker and more creative with the ball. He can knock down the shots. Not the same league as Ben. Huge difference between top 10 pick in the draft and the undrafted. Ben did good in the summer league but when I watched he looked a step slower and gave up some drives to the hoop that made him look 2 steps slow. Maybe once he adjusts to the speed of the game at that level he could compete but he looked to me like a year in Europe would let him get used to the speed. Believe me I want to see him in the NBA and maybe he could be a back up point. I guess we will see.

This is the best word in the entire thread (in bold/large). We seen Ben's lightning quickness on offense and playing in the Summit, he didn't defend similair quickness. This kid is so dedicated to his game that I'm confident he'll figure out a way to translate that same God given quickness to his defensive skills.

[KC Bison]

Haven't heard anything for at least a week on whats going on with Woody in the summer league??

[NDSUFan_Sav]

Haven't heard anything for at least a week on whats going on with Woody in the summer league??

summer league is done and as far as I know woody is back in Fargo.

[The Lost Dutchman]

Woodside is as good as Telfair. I am saying that seriously not just as a Bison fan.

It's not even close no matter how much you compare Telfair and Woodside. Put Telfair in the Summit for one year after his senior year and he completely dominates all competition. Your whole argument is based on what Ben Woodside has done in the Summit and what Telfair has done in the NBA, just a slight difference. Rubio also won't be here for atleast 2 years with his latest contract and the Wolves do have a vet and Chucky Atkins to back up Flynn.

[BeckerBison]

It's not even close no matter how much you compare Telfair and Woodside. Put Telfair in the Summit for one year after his senior year and he completely dominates all competition. Your whole argument is based on what Ben Woodside has done in the Summit and what Telfair has done in the NBA, just a slight difference. Rubio also won't be here for atleast 2 years with his latest contract and the Wolves do have a vet and Chucky Atkins to back up Flynn.

Good point. Tough to compare apples and oranges.

Maybe a better way to compare these two (in a hypothetical sense) is to ask how would each have done on say a big ten team?

Telfair's NBA talent was over rated as a high school senior.....

[The Lost Dutchman]

Good point. Tough to compare apples and oranges.

Maybe a better way to compare these two (in a hypothetical sense) is to ask how would each have done on say a big ten team?

Telfair's NBA talent was over rated as a high school senior.....

I'm curious on how his talent could be overrated considering the fact that every top college in the country wanted him as well as the fact that he was a first round pic. Again to say that Ben Woodside is better then Telfair is so incredibly proposterous. Is Ben Woodside better then Randy Foye and numerous other point guards in the NBA as well then too?

[ndsubison1]

Telfair was one of the top PG in his class and nearly went to Louisville over the draft his senior year, def not overrated

[JacksFan06]

I'm curious on how his talent could be overrated considering the fact that every top college in the country wanted him as well as the fact that he was a first round pic. Again to say that Ben Woodside is better then Telfair is so incredibly proposterous. Is Ben Woodside better then Randy Foye and numerous other point guards in the NBA as well then too?

Welcome to Bisonville, home of the Most Proposterous Statements.

[BeckerBison]

I'm curious on how his talent could be overrated considering the fact that every top college in the country wanted him as well as the fact that he was a first round pic. Again to say that Ben Woodside is better then Telfair is so incredibly proposterous. Is Ben Woodside better then Randy Foye and numerous other point guards in the NBA as well then too?

No, apperantly Telfair is the greatest point guard in the NBA...

o⋅ver⋅rate  [oh-ver-reyt]
–verb (used with object), -rat⋅ed, -rat⋅ing. to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate.

Synonyms:
overpraise, overesteem, magnify.

Did this top prospect fufill what every top college and nba scout thought he was capable of as high school senior?

[The Lost Dutchman]

No, apperantly Telfair is the greatest point guard in the NBA...

o⋅ver⋅rate  [oh-ver-reyt]
–verb (used with object), -rat⋅ed, -rat⋅ing. to rate or appraise too highly; overestimate.

Synonyms:
overpraise, overesteem, magnify.

Did this top prospect fufill what every top college and nba scout thought he was capable of as high school senior?

Your the one who's claiming that Ben Woodside is a better player then him, so why don't you tell me how Ben Woodside is better then Telfair considering the fact that Woody is looking for a job in Europe and Telfair has a back PG gig in the NBA. Clearly your in the minority, otherwise Ben Woodside would have a guaranteed contract for next year.
Most scouts also never claimed he would be an all star or be the one who would lead his team to numerous NBA championships. They said his biggest weaknesses were his size, shooting ability, and being able to guard bigger defenders. He wasn't a top 10 draft pic and was never annoited the next big thing. So if Telfair is overrated according to you, so is about 80% of the players drafted in the NBA.

[Bison Dan]

Welcome to Bisonville, home of the Most Proposterous Statements.

Win any away games laterly?

[JacksFan06]

Win any away games laterly?

Nope, not laterly. But I'll take the Bisonville approach and come up with 20 excuses as to why we didn't, and how now we will probably win every single one from here on out.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Nope, not laterly. But I'll take the Bisonville approach and come up with 20 excuses as to why we didn't, and how now we will probably win every single one from here on out.

Happy to see you have some optimism!!!!;) ;)

[BeckerBison]

Your the one who's claiming that Ben Woodside is a better player then him, so why don't you tell me how Ben Woodside is better then Telfair considering the fact that Woody is looking for a job in Europe and Telfair has a back PG gig in the NBA. Clearly your in the minority, otherwise Ben Woodside would have a guaranteed contract for next year.
Most scouts also never claimed he would be an all star or be the one who would lead his team to numerous NBA championships. They said his biggest weaknesses were his size, shooting ability, and being able to guard bigger defenders. He wasn't a top 10 draft pic and was never annoited the next big thing. So if Telfair is overrated according to you, so is about 80% of the players drafted in the NBA.

Telfair was a lottery pick (13th) though. The clippers are his 4th team and is not a great NBA player but can play 20 minutes off the bench. Telfair's stats just aren't impressive. Could Ben do this in 20-25 minutes off the bench for last years T-Wolves:
-shoot 3 of 10 in FG's?
-get 1 or 2 rebouds?
-pass out 4 or 5 assists?
-get a steal?
-get to the freethrow line twice?

We'll just have to disagree and that's fine.....:)

[The Lost Dutchman]

Telfair was a lottery pick (13th) though. The clippers are his 4th team and is not a great NBA player but can play 20 minutes off the bench. Telfair's stats just aren't impressive. Could Ben do this in 20-25 minutes off the bench for last years T-Wolves:
-shoot 3 of 10 in FG's?
-get 1 or 2 rebouds?
-pass out 4 or 5 assists?
-get a steal?
-get to the freethrow line twice?

We'll just have to disagree and that's fine.....:)

Yeah, we'll agree with the fact that your a Homer who couldn't use common sense or logic if it hit you in the face.
Ben Woodside was perhaps the greatest player to play for the Bison and hopefully one day he will make an NBA team. (He was also an absolute class act off the court as well) Until then though, I'll leave the statements of Ben Woodside being better then proven NBA players far far away.
BTW Telfair is only 24 years old so it's not exactly like his career is over.

[heckler]

Yeah, we'll agree with the fact that your a Homer who couldn't use common sense or logic if it hit you in the face.
Ben Woodside was perhaps the greatest player to play for the Bison and hopefully one day he will make an NBA team. (He was also an absolute class act off the court as well) Until then though, I'll leave the statements of Ben Woodside being better then proven NBA players far far away.
BTW Telfair is only 24 years old so it's not exactly like his career is over.

valid point = Homer... nice

[Bison Dan]

Yeah, we'll agree with the fact that your a Homer who couldn't use common sense or logic if it hit you in the face.
Ben Woodside was perhaps the greatest player to play for the Bison and hopefully one day he will make an NBA team. (He was also an absolute class act off the court as well) Until then though, I'll leave the statements of Ben Woodside being better then proven NBA players far far away.
BTW Telfair is only 24 years old so it's not exactly like his career is over.

I just wish Woody would get a chance to show what he can do at that level. Woody's a gamer - he just makes everyone around him better. But at the NBA level it's more about the individual than the team.

[TheDoctor]

(He was also an absolute class act off the court as well)

Especially when you guys had him and Drago co-hosting. That was classic. Hammer was almost a Bison fan for a minute that day but then he remembered we don't have hockey and he could never live without his beloved hockey :rofl:! ;)

[WildBill]

Fast guards, athletic forwards and huge centers usually make defenders look bad...


You sure you want to use that argument?

[WildBill]

Woodside is as good as Telfair. I am saying that seriously not just as a Bison fan.


That simply isn't true. Telfair has all the talent in the world

[Mr. Burgundy]

Wildbill is all Gopher and anti Bison....It is not worth your energy, no matter what you believe. I actually think that Telfair is pretty damn good, and a freakish athlete. He is a VERY SOLID NBA backup....not saying that Ben won't be...because I think he has a great shot at an NBA future. But, Wildbill still think Brew is a better coach that Belicheck.

[WildBill]

Wildbill is all Gopher and anti Bison....It is not worth your energy, no matter what you believe. I actually think that Telfair is pretty damn good, and a freakish athlete. He is a VERY SOLID NBA backup....not saying that Ben won't be...because I think he has a great shot at an NBA future. But, Wildbill still think Brew is a better coach that Belicheck.


You are an idiot if you believe i think that. Brewster is a great recruiter, but he is still learning as a head coach. Do not presume you know me or what i believe. I only take issue with statements that Woodside is better than a pretty good backup PG. He's not at THIS POINT. It would be like me saying that Walker is better than Sage Rosenfels, because of what he did in college. Ben Could develop into a nice scoring guard off the bench at worst, but he simply needs to get better on D to grab one of those coveted roster spots in the NBA. Not a slap at him, considering he's from my hometown, but just the truth. But hey, it's easier just to dimiss a commet you don't like by saying i'm anti bison

[WildBill]

Good point. Tough to compare apples and oranges.

Maybe a better way to compare these two (in a hypothetical sense) is to ask how would each have done on say a big ten team?

Telfair's NBA talent was over rated as a high school senior.....


Yet he was drafted in the 1st and Boston traded a 1st to get him the very next year.

[ndsubison1]

You sure you want to use that argument?

YES

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