Summit APR Report

[NDSUstudent]

Anything under 925 means a school can be punished....

Mens Sports

Baseball
Oakland-959
IPFW-957
WIU-943
NDSU-931
SDSU-929
ORU-909
Centenary-892
SUU-889

Basketball
NDSU-976
IPFW-959
UMKC-951
Oakland-946
SDSU-929
ORU-914
WIU-887
IUPUI-883
SUU-880
Centenary-825

Cross Country
IPFW-1000
ORU-988
UMKC-980
WIU-976
SUU-971
NDSU-970
Centenary-967
Oakland-945
SDSU-921
IUPUI-892

Golf
SDSU-1000
WIU-994
Oakland-986
SUU-983
IPFW-982
NDSU-973
UMKC-961
ORU-960
IUPUI-934
Centenary-925

Track Indoor/Outdoor
WIU-986/988
ORU-962/962
UMKC-955/960
NDSU-956/957
SUU-950/950
SDSU-948/948
Oakland-897/905

Womens

Basketball
WIU-982
Oakland-976
SDSU-974
SUU-962
IPFW-960
Centenary-959
NDSU-957
UMKC-957
ORU-941
IUPUI-906

Cross Country
UMKC-991
Centenary-988
Oakland-983
SDSU-981
NDSU-980
WIU-970
ORU-965
SUU-962
IPFW-937
IUPUI-928

Golf
Oakland-1000
SUU-1000
IPFW-989
NDSU-982
SDSU-980
ORU-964
WIU-963
Centenary-959
IUIPUI-947
UMKC-946

Soccer
SDSU-974
IUPUI-970
SUU-962
WIU-959
Centenary-958
Oakland-957
NDSU-955
ORU-943
IPFW-935

Softball
Oakland-980
WIU-974
NDSU-973
Centenary-970
SDSU-965
IUPUI-945
IPFW-940
UMKC-939
SUU-925

Track Indoor/Outdoor
SDSU-980/978
ORU-973/979
WIU-969/979
SUU-970/970
NDSU-969/970
Oakland-966/926
UMKC-963/964
IPFW-948/942

Volleyball
IPFW-995
UMKC-995
IUPUI-985
WIU-984
NDSU-975
ORU-970
SDSU-969
Oakland-952
Centenary-874

[mebisonII]

NDSU seems to be standing strong.

825 for the Centenary MBB team? So they can be punished, but is there realistically some leeway before anyone is punished? Punishment is primarily loss of scholarships and/or no playoffs?

[Hammersmith]

NDSU seems to be standing strong.

825 for the Centenary MBB team? So they can be punished, but is there realistically some leeway before anyone is punished? Punishment is primarily loss of scholarships and/or no playoffs?

APR punishments get a little complicated(big surprise). There are two basic categories. The first is if you dip below the 925 mark, but not 900(I think) and your program doesn't have a history of sub-925 scores. In that case, you lose scholarships based on how many student-athletes dropout, transfer or lose academic eligibility. Say the football team has a score of 918 and a half scholie player dropped out and a quarter scholie player lost eligibility. In that case, the program would lose three quarters of a scholarship for the following year. If a player graduated, ran out of playing eligibility, or quit the team but stayed in school, that scholarship could be re-awarded even with a sub-925 score.

The other category is for programs with scores below 900 or repeated years below 925. The punishments here operate differently. The first year is a warning, the second is scholarship penalties(limited to 10% of the allowable scholarships; i.e. 6.3 scholarships for FCS football), and the third is post season ineligibility. This is the first year that a program could reach the third level(congrats Centenary), so we don't really know what comes in the fourth year or beyond.

This is all from memory, but I think it's correct.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Wow check out those mens basketball scores there are only 4 teams that are solidly over 925 in the whole conference. SDSU makes it but by 4 points.

How does this compare with other conferences for Mens Bball?

[Hammersmith]

They're complaining about APR on the bunny board(don't know why - they're in good shape except for a tiny hit in MCC), and the following occured to me:

A second thought about the APR system is that it seems like it's a wonderful tool to see which schools actually have the resources to be in Division I. Remember, APR doesn't apply to DII or DIII. The schools that are having the most problems with APR are also the schools that are borderline DI. And quite frankly, DI could use some pruning. We're closing in on 350 schools in DI, and we're probably going to get another burst after the moratorium ends. I know that some larger schools would say that NDSU and SDSU are part of the problem(since we're new to DI), but both our schools are in much better shape than the bottom third of DI and our APR's show we are selecting good students and supporting them while they're here(the exceptional sport notwithstanding; aka SDSU MBB and, soon, NDSU FB).

To me, the Chuck Burton article(from rabid's post) is nothing more than whining from schools that shouldn't be DI in the first place. Maybe the fact that it's late is making me a little snarkier than usual, but I don't have much sympathy for the programs struggling with low APR's. When running your program, you have choices. You may not always like those choices, but you have them. If you're going to take a chance on marginal students, you better have the resources to support them academically and financially. If you don't have the resources, either choose recruits that have the academic and financial capabilities to succeed in college with little institutional help, drop down to DII, DIII or NAIA, or get very creative with your support system. By creative, I don't mean cheat, but find ways to give the students the help they need in methods that require little money or manpower. It might be tough, but it's doable if you have good people who can think outside the box.

[NDSU_grad]

Interesting that at least in the case of NDSU the women, on average, seem to score much higher than the men. I wonder if that's the case for the NCAA as a whole?

[Hammersmith]

Interesting that at least in the case of NDSU the women, on average, seem to score much higher than the men. I wonder if that's the case for the NCAA as a whole?

Yep.

Division I Averages - All Schools

Sport M/W

Base/Soft 946/968
Basketball 933/962
CrossCountry 964/971
Football 939
Golf 963/976
Soccer 958/973
Swimming 967/979
Tennis 964/974
Indoor T&F 953/965
Outdoor T&F 954/966
Volleyball 971/972
Wrestling 948

[sambini]

Thanks Student for the info.++++

[missingnumber7]

How does the removal of players from the team due to disciplinary reasons effect this number?