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Swany
06-06-2008, 06:27 PM
I feel compelled to share this. A friend forwarded this to me this morning. It is a column by a writer for the Dakota Student, the student newspaper at UND. The column is entitled "Despite win, NDSU football still sucks," and is dated 8/31/2004. The link for the column follows the text of the actual column. Geez, I think he was off just a bit in his prediction ...
Despite win, NDSU football still sucks
Derrik T. Sovak
I thought that I might have trouble writing this column. But after I reviewed all the facts surrounding our overzealous neighbors to the south at North Dakota State, I realized that talking shit about them just gets easier and easier.
On Saturday, NDSU hosted Valparaiso to a crowd of just over 18,000. They absolutely stomped Valpo to the tune of 52-0. As I watched local sports highlights and saw all of the Bison players patting each other's back for the ousting, I wondered how they were going to look at themselves in the mirror without laughing.
Note to NDSU: Valparaiso offers no scholarships to their players. That means that they have less of a recruiting pool than Bethune-Cookman. Valpo also plays in the Pioneer Football League, which is almost as prestigious as NDSU's Great West Conference. Both these conferences look like the island of misfit schools. And when you get two teams like the Bison and the Crusaders on the field it's almost a toss up.
The Bison were a sub-par team in Division II football last year, and the Crusaders finished 8-4 without a playoff appearance last season. So what happened in Fargo on Saturday was as far away from amazing as you can get without actually being at the Neverland Ranch.
Everyone is so excited around the NDSU campus. Football means something to these people. But I feel it my duty to be the asshole and let them in on a little secret. For the next decade, NDSU football will be as arbitrary as paying .40 cents for ranch at Buffalo Wild Wings after running up a $500 bar tab.
Saturday's matchup was between two unranked schools in leagues that mean nothing to anyone. A win is a win but when I'd still rather watch a team of midgets play a team of chimpanzees.
This is an old argument. I said it last year, and it's no secret that I think NDSU's move to DI was a terrible decision. So I don't want NDSU to get their hopes up too high. If they really think that every team they play in that other Division is going to lie down and take it like its their first time, they're wrong.
Just like when the Bison were getting crushed by DII teams every weekend, they will face a team that hands them a 52-0 loss and then we in Grand Forks will hear the griping and crying from the south. And I can say proudly that I saw it coming.
On the other hand, UND had a barn-burner against Delta State - the number 2 and 10 teams in the country - in GF on Saturday. I witnessed great things in that game and there's a chance that we could see those teams meet again in the near future. Valpo won't be back in Fargo unless either they or the Bison need to fill their already defunct schedules next season.
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that at UND football still has pride. I like knowing that, even though we're "only Division II" we still can watch two ranked teams play in a city like Grand Forks. It makes for good football, which we won't see in Fargo for a long time.
It also came to my attention that NDSU has revolutionized college football by introducing something called tailgating at their games.
Take this as you may, but your football program is not going to prosper any faster just because some freshman had a beer before the game. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm going to wait with bated breath for the Montana Tech game in a couple of weeks.
R.I.P. Bison Athletics.
http://media.www.dakotastudent.com/media/storage/paper970/news/2004/08/31/Sectionssports/Despite.Win.Ndsu.Football.Still.Sucks-1772471.shtml
mebisonII
06-06-2008, 06:30 PM
I feel compelled to share this. A friend forwarded this to me this morning. It is a column by a writer for the Dakota Student, the student newspaper at UND. The column is entitled "Despite win, NDSU football still sucks," and is dated 8/31/2004. The link for the column follows the text of the actual column. Geez, I think he was off just a bit in his prediction ...
Despite win, NDSU football still sucks
Derrik T. Sovak
I thought that I might have trouble writing this column. But after I reviewed all the facts surrounding our overzealous neighbors to the south at North Dakota State, I realized that talking shit about them just gets easier and easier.
On Saturday, NDSU hosted Valparaiso to a crowd of just over 18,000. They absolutely stomped Valpo to the tune of 52-0. As I watched local sports highlights and saw all of the Bison players patting each other's back for the ousting, I wondered how they were going to look at themselves in the mirror without laughing.
Note to NDSU: Valparaiso offers no scholarships to their players. That means that they have less of a recruiting pool than Bethune-Cookman. Valpo also plays in the Pioneer Football League, which is almost as prestigious as NDSU's Great West Conference. Both these conferences look like the island of misfit schools. And when you get two teams like the Bison and the Crusaders on the field it's almost a toss up.
The Bison were a sub-par team in Division II football last year, and the Crusaders finished 8-4 without a playoff appearance last season. So what happened in Fargo on Saturday was as far away from amazing as you can get without actually being at the Neverland Ranch.
Everyone is so excited around the NDSU campus. Football means something to these people. But I feel it my duty to be the asshole and let them in on a little secret. For the next decade, NDSU football will be as arbitrary as paying .40 cents for ranch at Buffalo Wild Wings after running up a $500 bar tab.
Saturday's matchup was between two unranked schools in leagues that mean nothing to anyone. A win is a win but when I'd still rather watch a team of midgets play a team of chimpanzees.
This is an old argument. I said it last year, and it's no secret that I think NDSU's move to DI was a terrible decision. So I don't want NDSU to get their hopes up too high. If they really think that every team they play in that other Division is going to lie down and take it like its their first time, they're wrong.
Just like when the Bison were getting crushed by DII teams every weekend, they will face a team that hands them a 52-0 loss and then we in Grand Forks will hear the griping and crying from the south. And I can say proudly that I saw it coming.
On the other hand, UND had a barn-burner against Delta State - the number 2 and 10 teams in the country - in GF on Saturday. I witnessed great things in that game and there's a chance that we could see those teams meet again in the near future. Valpo won't be back in Fargo unless either they or the Bison need to fill their already defunct schedules next season.
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that at UND football still has pride. I like knowing that, even though we're "only Division II" we still can watch two ranked teams play in a city like Grand Forks. It makes for good football, which we won't see in Fargo for a long time.
It also came to my attention that NDSU has revolutionized college football by introducing something called tailgating at their games.
Take this as you may, but your football program is not going to prosper any faster just because some freshman had a beer before the game. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm going to wait with bated breath for the Montana Tech game in a couple of weeks.
R.I.P. Bison Athletics.
http://media.www.dakotastudent.com/media/storage/paper970/news/2004/08/31/Sectionssports/Despite.Win.Ndsu.Football.Still.Sucks-1772471.shtml
So many potential responses....so not worth the time.
TransAmBison
06-06-2008, 06:33 PM
This has circulated a few times on bisonville. Should see the kid's picture. Goes well with the article...icing on cake if you will...
bisonmike2
06-06-2008, 06:39 PM
This has circulated a few times on bisonville. Should see the kid's picture. Goes well with the article...icing on cake if you will...
Yeah, I remember posting about how the kid now works at McDonalds or something. Either way it's still a great read. I laugh each time I see it.
GradBison
06-06-2008, 06:41 PM
This has circulated a few times on bisonville. Should see the kid's picture. Goes well with the article...icing on cake if you will...
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper970/thumbs/t_41339b44793ae-45-1.jpg
At least his mommy thinks he's special oh and they still have hockey.
TransAmBison
06-06-2008, 06:47 PM
http://diy.despair.com/output/poster24942288.jpg
TransAmBison
06-06-2008, 06:47 PM
Grad, you beat me to it...I found his current pic with the mohawk, but thought I'd go old school.
Bison_Backer
06-06-2008, 07:47 PM
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,........... Island of Misfit schools. UND had to kiss enough ass just to get into their Conference now.
some one ought to go up there and dummy that kid, with a Bison inflatable Bat.
tcbison
06-06-2008, 07:51 PM
Some of these articles are quite funny to read through. Especially the UND ones on staying DII...
http://www.in-forum.com/specials/d1decision/
bisonmike2
06-06-2008, 07:52 PM
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,........... Island of Misfit schools. UND had to kiss enough ass just to get into their Conference now.
some one ought to go up there and dummy that kid, with a Bison inflatable Bat.
Bad idea. You don't mess with people who handle your food. I don't make it to Grand Forks often but I don't want to chance some spit in my fries the next time I hit up the McDonald's up there.
bisonhusker
06-06-2008, 08:12 PM
Should we ask him to do a follow up article? "Where are they now...."
I like how he ripped on the Great West......Don't mess with karma!
Civil06
06-06-2008, 08:14 PM
Some of these articles are quite funny to read through. Especially the UND ones on staying DII...
http://www.in-forum.com/specials/d1decision/
Thanks for the link, those were fun to read.
I've always had a ton of respect for President Chapman for many, many reasons. I had forgot about this quote and am greatful that a man with vision AND common sense was in control when we went D-1.
Although Chapman chose not to take issue with the specific points in Kupchella's statement, the NDSU president disagreed with Kupchella's assertion that most scandals in college athletics seem to be associated with Division I.
"There's just as many scandals in Division II, it's just that nobody cares," Chapman said. "This is silly." :nod:
BigDeal
06-06-2008, 08:20 PM
I have to admit I was irritated when I saw yet another thread on this article, but then I saw the kids picture again and starting laughing my ass off. After a tough day at work, this was a great way to start my weekend!
90BISON
06-06-2008, 08:20 PM
The guy was a virtual Nostradamus........what an idiot.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
90BISON
06-06-2008, 08:24 PM
Thanks for the link, those were fun to read.
I've always had a ton of respect for President Chapman for many, many reasons. I had forgot about this quote and am greatful that a man with vision AND common sense was in control when we went D-1.
Although Chapman chose not to take issue with the specific points in Kupchella's statement, the NDSU president disagreed with Kupchella's assertion that most scandals in college athletics seem to be associated with Division I.
"There's just as many scandals in Division II, it's just that nobody cares," Chapman said. "This is silly." :nod:
Don't know if I had ever seen that quote before. Picture Joe Chapman open hand smacking Kuppy along side the head, and Kuppy having no idea what just happened.:D
Bisonguy
06-06-2008, 08:28 PM
On a more serious not, does his hat say 'FAT' on it?
The doublechin is a nice touch.
Go_Herd
06-06-2008, 08:42 PM
On a more serious not, does his hat say 'FAT' on it?
The doublechin is a nice touch.
Yes his hat does say FAT, but I do have to stick up for him some. Underneath FAT is a picture of a record and the words 'Wreck Chords'
Fat Wreck Chords is a San Francisco based independent record label. They have produced music for mostly punk rocks bands such as; Anti-Flag, NOFX, Lagwagon, Less than Jake, and No Use for a Name.
Pretty good stuff, if your into punk rock or ska music.
bri-dog
06-06-2008, 08:47 PM
My first post after stumbling on this forum a couple of weeks ago and lurking since then...
I think the dork lives in the Twin Cities now; looks like he's into music, all right. His myspace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=12648564
Jdubs21
06-06-2008, 09:17 PM
not gonna lie...i had a horrible day today, one of those where everything seems to go wrong but i get on here and this is the first post i read and i havent stopped laughing since....THANKS UND KID!!!
My first post after stumbling on this forum a couple of weeks ago and lurking since then...
I think the dork lives in the Twin Cities now; looks like he's into music, all right. His myspace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=12648564
It says right on his page he has 68 friends! Now that's impressive!;)
Bad idea. You don't mess with people who handle your food. I don't make it to Grand Forks often but I don't want to chance some spit in my fries the next time I hit up the McDonald's up there.
Having worked in restaurants in the not too distant past, I can say you're lucky if you only get spit. You should see what the kids are putting in your food now days. They're getting quite creative! :hungry:
TransAmBison
06-06-2008, 09:49 PM
Having worked in restaurants in the not too distant past, I can say you're lucky if you only get spit. You should see what the kids are putting in your food now days. They're getting quite creative! :hungry:
Sounds like story time...
THEsocalledfan
06-06-2008, 09:50 PM
Sounds like story time...
No, it is not story time. Ignorance is bliss....
90BISON
06-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Sounds like story time...
"Hold the special sauce on my burger, thanks.":(
Sounds like story time...
Yeah, it's not cool what I saw happen. I wouldn't even want to post it because it is truly disgusting. But, let me say this, any person whoever got something "extra" deserved it. Even lowly little pizza boys want to be treated with respect.
CaBisonFan
06-09-2008, 04:07 PM
I feel compelled to share this. A friend forwarded this to me this morning. It is a column by a writer for the Dakota Student, the student newspaper at UND. The column is entitled "Despite win, NDSU football still sucks," and is dated 8/31/2004. The link for the column follows the text of the actual column. Geez, I think he was off just a bit in his prediction ...
Despite win, NDSU football still sucks
Derrik T. Sovak
I thought that I might have trouble writing this column. But after I reviewed all the facts surrounding our overzealous neighbors to the south at North Dakota State, I realized that talking shit about them just gets easier and easier.
On Saturday, NDSU hosted Valparaiso to a crowd of just over 18,000. They absolutely stomped Valpo to the tune of 52-0. As I watched local sports highlights and saw all of the Bison players patting each other's back for the ousting, I wondered how they were going to look at themselves in the mirror without laughing.
Note to NDSU: Valparaiso offers no scholarships to their players. That means that they have less of a recruiting pool than Bethune-Cookman. Valpo also plays in the Pioneer Football League, which is almost as prestigious as NDSU's Great West Conference. Both these conferences look like the island of misfit schools. And when you get two teams like the Bison and the Crusaders on the field it's almost a toss up.
The Bison were a sub-par team in Division II football last year, and the Crusaders finished 8-4 without a playoff appearance last season. So what happened in Fargo on Saturday was as far away from amazing as you can get without actually being at the Neverland Ranch.
Everyone is so excited around the NDSU campus. Football means something to these people. But I feel it my duty to be the asshole and let them in on a little secret. For the next decade, NDSU football will be as arbitrary as paying .40 cents for ranch at Buffalo Wild Wings after running up a $500 bar tab.
Saturday's matchup was between two unranked schools in leagues that mean nothing to anyone. A win is a win but when I'd still rather watch a team of midgets play a team of chimpanzees.
This is an old argument. I said it last year, and it's no secret that I think NDSU's move to DI was a terrible decision. So I don't want NDSU to get their hopes up too high. If they really think that every team they play in that other Division is going to lie down and take it like its their first time, they're wrong.
Just like when the Bison were getting crushed by DII teams every weekend, they will face a team that hands them a 52-0 loss and then we in Grand Forks will hear the griping and crying from the south. And I can say proudly that I saw it coming.
On the other hand, UND had a barn-burner against Delta State - the number 2 and 10 teams in the country - in GF on Saturday. I witnessed great things in that game and there's a chance that we could see those teams meet again in the near future. Valpo won't be back in Fargo unless either they or the Bison need to fill their already defunct schedules next season.
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that at UND football still has pride. I like knowing that, even though we're "only Division II" we still can watch two ranked teams play in a city like Grand Forks. It makes for good football, which we won't see in Fargo for a long time.
It also came to my attention that NDSU has revolutionized college football by introducing something called tailgating at their games.
Take this as you may, but your football program is not going to prosper any faster just because some freshman had a beer before the game. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm going to wait with bated breath for the Montana Tech game in a couple of weeks.
R.I.P. Bison Athletics.
http://media.www.dakotastudent.com/media/storage/paper970/news/2004/08/31/Sectionssports/Despite.Win.Ndsu.Football.Still.Sucks-1772471.shtml
Is he working for the Forum now? :D
bisonmike2
06-09-2008, 04:19 PM
Is he working for the Forum now? :D
ah the humble beginings of Mr. McFeeley.
BisoninNWMN
06-11-2008, 11:22 PM
Definitely sounds like McFooley. Ya, we have had some "crappy" football in the dome the last five yrs.:D I can remember our last home game last yr with a full house and UND's playoff game the same day against Winona drew barely 5k.....ya bad football I guess:D
Bison bison
06-10-2014, 06:00 PM
Don't pick on that Sovak guy, he was in charge of developing Target's fall Covergirl merchandising campaign.
(whatever the hell that means)
bisonmike2
06-10-2014, 06:09 PM
This thread is so awesome. Is it possible to have any ip address from grand forks redirect to this thread or a spash page that just has this guys article? Somebody needs to track him down and get a follow up article.
Bison 4 Life
06-10-2014, 06:29 PM
This thread is so awesome. Is it possible to have any ip address from grand forks redirect to this thread or a spash page that just has this guys article? Somebody needs to track him down and get a follow up article.
People aligned with the school up north tend to have what I charitably call a lack of self awareness. Likely any solid evidence to the contrary of what they believe will be promptly ignored.
gotts
06-10-2014, 06:42 PM
Need a 10 year anniversary panel consisting of a bunch of these clowns. Time for a crow feed!
Bison03
06-10-2014, 08:33 PM
Need a 10 year anniversary panel consisting of a bunch of these clowns. Time for a crow feed!
There is not enough crow in the world that would be required to eat considering what has occured with the NDSU football program the past 10 years. Has it been that long already? Two pieces of irony 10 years later. One; the ten year anniversary of this mindless drivel occurs a day after the 3 time defending national champion Bison take on, and possibly beat, Iowa St. in front of a national TV audience. And secondy; if you change all the references to NDSU to und, the article actually is pretty accurate!! Never forget, this was the mindset of most und fans and even administration when NDSU moved up to DI.
bloodmakesthegrassgrow
07-19-2014, 06:49 AM
An extremely funny read. The guy is a halfwit.
What I marvel at, is that after getting stomped for 30 years, they finally began winning more games than they lost against the Bison, what last ten years? And they get all arrogant and uppity, like the prior 30 years didn't happen. That to me is as funny as this piece.
NDSUBowler
07-19-2014, 07:14 AM
My first post after stumbling on this forum a couple of weeks ago and lurking since then...
I think the dork lives in the Twin Cities now; looks like he's into music, all right. His myspace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=12648564
Hey, nice first post! Hope you stick around!
Bison03
01-20-2022, 01:17 AM
Always love seeing this now legendary article after another title, so glad to bump it up. Gets better every year!
NDSU1980
01-20-2022, 01:29 AM
And don't forget Dave Deland, sports writer for the St. Cloud newspaper who said NDSU would never play a meaningful game again once we went D1.
Minimum8Pete
01-20-2022, 06:25 PM
And don't forget Dave Deland, sports writer for the St. Cloud newspaper who said NDSU would never play a meaningful game again once we went D1.
It is pretty funny that the FCS-supremacists all argue EXACTLY what this moron argued in the article as a reasons never to consider FBS.
The article is a complete gem. Literally makes me laugh out loud every year when it pops up again
MankatoBison
01-20-2022, 06:28 PM
It is pretty funny that the FCS-supremacists all argue EXACTLY what this moron argued in the article as a reasons never to consider FBS.
The article is a complete gem. Literally makes me laugh out loud every year when it pops up again
baahahah 'm gonna start saying FCS supremecists instead of FCS forever now lol, good work sir. article will never ever ever ever ever ever get old
El_Chapo
01-20-2022, 06:31 PM
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-deland-428b681b
Funny ol Davey boy went from D2 To D3... St cloud St to St John's. bhahaha
I remember telling him off in the 90s. hahaha
https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-deland-428b681b
Funny ol Davey boy went from D2 To D3... St cloud St to St John's. bhahaha
I remember telling him off in the 90s. hahaha
Here is a link for nostalgia purposes..
http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?37749-Star-Tribune-Turkey-Awards&p=1175969#post1175969
Yes, these are very misguided folks whose takes from 20 years ago really missed the mark. Other than being obvious bison haters, I’m sure they are good folks with families and children. Other than the annual enjoyment that these fine reads bring, let’s be sure to leave these folks alone, and not make this personal. Just enjoy their lack of vision.
Yes, these are very misguided folks whose takes from 20 years ago really missed the mark. Other than being obvious bison haters, I’m sure they are good folks with families and children. Other than the annual enjoyment that these fine reads bring, let’s be sure to leave these folks alone, and not make this personal. Just enjoy their lack of vision.
Yeah, if someone is crazy enough to harass a person because of an article they wrote 20 years ago (probably an article to hit a deadline and fill up a spot in the newspaper), it is pretty obvious who the loser is...
PlrbrBison
01-28-2022, 07:26 PM
Looser 10char
NDSU1980
01-28-2022, 08:23 PM
Yeah, if someone is crazy enough to harass a person because of an article they wrote 20 years ago (probably an article to hit a deadline and fill up a spot in the newspaper), it is pretty obvious who the loser is...
So, do you think Dave DeLand said the same things about St. Thomas going D1 as he did about NDSU? Will St. Thomas ever play a meaningful post season game in D1?
So, do you think Dave DeLand said the same things about St. Thomas going D1 as he did about NDSU? Will St. Thomas ever play a meaningful post season game in D1?
I don't think Dave has the platform he once did.
Hey, its fun as hell to look back and laugh at his takes and how bad he was wrong. No harm in that at all. However, I do question the sanity of anyone who thinks its worthwhile to reach out and contact someone for a "hot take" from over 10 years ago.
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