2008-09 Schedule

[Hammersmith]

With only one game left to schedule, the new coach will have one less worry to deal with. Looks like a decent schedule to me. Only one non-counter in the regular season, a Big Sky, two MVCs, and a Big Ten.

Nov 02 - Minnesota-Crookston (exhibition)
Nov 14 – Northern Iowa
Nov 19 – @Minnesota
Nov 27-29 – @Oahu Classic

Dec 06 – Centenary College
Dec 08 – Oral Roberts
Dec 14 – @Montana State
Dec 20 – Utah Valley State
Dec 21 – Jamestown College
Dec 28 – Creighton University

Jan 03 – @Oakland
Jan 05 – @IPFW
Jan 10 – Western Illinois
Jan 12 – IUPUI
Jan 17 – @UMKC
Jan 19 – @Southern Utah
Jan 24 – @SDSU
Jan 31 – IPFW

Feb 02 – Oakland
Feb 07 – @IUPUI
Feb 09 – @Western Illinois
Feb 14 – Southern Utah
Feb 16 – UMKC
Feb 21 – SDSU
Feb 28 – @Oral Roberts

Mar 02 - @Centenary
Mar 07-10 - Summit League Tournament at Sioux Falls, S.D.

[sambini]

How about the trip to Hawaii?

[SiouxFallsJack]

Any word on what teams are in the Oahu Classic? Hope you guys can beat Creighton, I'm still pissed we lost that game.

[lakesbison]

2 quality NCAA teams on the schedule and its DECENT?

Its not too impressive for me.

Crieghton/Minnesota= sweet. thats It.

yes the Hawaii trip might have Marist in it, oh boy!!

[Elephants Dream?]

Not much practice time to get ready for an early, and tough, game
at Minnesota.
Two league games, then a full month away from the league.
I wish there were a way for better scheduling, though I'm not
sure how'd you move those 2 early games. ??
Not much for non-conf. road games. Maybe the one to be
yet announced will be a semi-close road game?

[roadwarrior]

The Summit League sets the dates for the conference games. There is nothing NDSU can do to change that. Compared to last year's home games, this is a big improvement.

[Bison bison]

looks good to me, i'll be renewing my season tickets (no need for anybody to stand at an intersection)

[TheBisonator]

The non-con schedule looks good enough, but I'd like to see Jamestown College taken off there. I would replace Jamestown with Mary if I could. At least they're NSIC. NSIC is fine. I was hoping that we would never have to play any DAC school in any sports ever again...

BTW, NDB2, that is a KICK-ASS sig line!!!!!!:D

[Greenie]

Schedule posted
http://www.gobison.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=11923&SPID=698&DB_OEM_ID=2400&KEY=&Q_SEASON=2008

Sun, Nov 02 University of Mary (Exhibition)
Thu, Nov 06 Minnesota-Crookston (Exhibition)
Fri, Nov 14 Northern Iowa
Wed, Nov 19 @ Minnesota

Oahu Classic
Thu, Nov 27 TBA at Honolulu, Hawai'i
Fri, Nov 28 TBA at Honolulu, Hawai'i
Sat, Nov 29 TBA at Honolulu, Hawai'i

Sat, Dec 06 Centenary College
Mon, Dec 08 Oral Roberts
Sat, Dec 13 @ Wyoming
Mon, Dec 15 @ Montana State
Sat, Dec 20 Utah Valley State
Sun, Dec 21 Jamestown College
Mon, Dec 29 Creighton
Sat, Jan 03 @ Oakland
Mon, Jan 05 @ IPFW
Sat, Jan 10 Western Illinois
Mon, Jan 12 IUPUI
Sat, Jan 17 @ UMKC
Mon, Jan 19 @ Southern Utah
Sat, Jan 24 @ South Dakota State
Sat, Jan 31 IPFW
Mon, Feb 02 Oakland
Sat, Feb 07 @ IUPUI
Mon, Feb 09 @ Western Illinois
Sat, Feb 14 Southern Utah
Mon, Feb 16 UMKC
Sat, Feb 21 South Dakota State
Sat, Feb 28 @ Oral Roberts
Mon, Mar 02 @ Centenary

The Summit League Tournament
Sat, Mar 07 - Tue, Mar 10 TBA at Sioux Falls, S.D.

[TheBisonator]

At Wyoming. That'll be a fun one.

[lakesbison]

MENTION IN STAR TRIBUNE TODAY ABOUT NDSU @ MINNESOTA NOV 19th.

always nice to see NDSU in the Star Tribune.. it doesnt happen enough!!

[iHEARTthundar]

I heard a rumor that there might be no more Hawaii....

[BlueKeyAlum]

that may be the case. Malika Sports, who sponsor the Oahu Classic tourney along with the Hoop and Surf DII tourney, has not updated the Oahu information for this year. The Hoop and Surf stuff is up already for this Winter.

http://www.malikasportshawaii.com/

If this tourney is a no go, hopefully we can fill the slots with something else.

[Bison bison]

MENTION IN STAR TRIBUNE TODAY ABOUT NDSU @ MINNESOTA NOV 19th.

always nice to see NDSU in the Star Tribune.. it doesnt happen enough!!

goddamn maturi (i actually i think joel is great, second best AD in the land) schedule the game on the weekend!!!!

[MNBISONCLUB]

First time poster so take it easy on me. One of the players said Hawaii is definitly off and that they will play in Los Angles

[MNBISONCLUB]

So- I can't spell Los Angeles or type- definitely

[tjbison]

goddamn maturi (i actually i think joel is great, second best AD in the land) schedule the game on the weekend!!!!


They don't want to many Bison in the BARN!!!

[sambini]

It would be a sold out Barn with Bison fans if the game was on a weekend+++

[BlueKeyAlum]

It would be a sold out Barn with Bison fans if the game was on a weekend+++


This may be true for men's basketball and definitely true for football but i don't think it's true for women's basketball. Especially next year, with a Bison team not projected to do as well. And the Gophers average 6,000+ for homegames.

[BlueKeyAlum]

First time poster so take it easy on me. One of the players said Hawaii is definitly off and that they will play in Los Angles

Good info. I checked Cal Riverside, Cal State Bakersfield, Cal Northridge, Loyola Marymount, and the Women of Troy and none have their schedules out. UCLA has their complete schedule out but we're not on it.

[sambini]

I wish Coach DeHoff,staff,and players good luck this year+++

[Greenie]

Updated schedule on gobison
http://www.gobison.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&KEY=&SPID=698&SPSID=11923

Mon, Nov 03 Mary (Exhibition)
Thu, Nov 06 Minnesota-Crookston (Exhibition)
Fri, Nov 14 Northern Iowa
Wed, Nov 19 @Minnesota
Fri, Nov 21 Valley City State

Loyola Marymount Ayres Hotel Thanksgiving Tournament (Los Angeles, CA)
Fri, Nov 28 Georgetown
Sat, Nov 29 Loyola Marymount or Idaho State

Sat, Dec 06 Centenary *
Mon, Dec 08 Oral Roberts *
Sat, Dec 13 @Wyoming
Mon, Dec 15 @Denver
Sat, Dec 20 Jamestown College
Mon, Dec 29 Creighton
Sat, Jan 03 @Oakland *
Mon, Jan 05 @IPFW *
Sat, Jan 10 Western Illinois *
Mon, Jan 12 IUPUI *
Sat, Jan 17 @UMKC *
Mon, Jan 19 @Southern Utah *
Sat, Jan 24 @South Dakota State *
Sat, Jan 31 IPFW *
Mon, Feb 02 Oakland *
Sat, Feb 07 @IUPUI *
Mon, Feb 09 @Western Illinois *
Sat, Feb 14 Southern Utah *
Mon, Feb 16 UMKC *
Fri, Feb 20 South Dakota State *
Mon, Feb 23 Utah Valley
Sat, Feb 28 @Oral Roberts *
Mon, Mar 02 @Centenary *

Summit League Tournament (Sioux Falls, SD)
Sat, Mar 07 - Tue, Mar 10 TBA

* Conference Games

[BlueKeyAlum]

Loyola Marymount Ayres Hotel Thanksgiving Tournament (Los Angeles, CA)
Fri, Nov 28 Georgetown
Sat, Nov 29 Loyola Marymount or Idaho State




Good to see the addition of the Loyola tourney. California here we come. We are also 1-0 against Georgietown.

[BisoninNWMN]

Good luck to the women's team this yr....could be a long one!

[Elephants Dream?]

I see the Wyoming-Montana State swing became
the Wyoming-Denver trip instead.

[Montana Bison]

We have got to quit playing the mary's, crookstons, valley city's, and jamestowns of the world. Exhibition or not. These are bush league, we might as well play Fargo South High.



Updated schedule on gobison
http://www.gobison.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&KEY=&SPID=698&SPSID=11923

Mon, Nov 03 Mary (Exhibition)
Thu, Nov 06 Minnesota-Crookston (Exhibition)
Fri, Nov 14 Northern Iowa
Wed, Nov 19 @Minnesota
Fri, Nov 21 Valley City State

Loyola Marymount Ayres Hotel Thanksgiving Tournament (Los Angeles, CA)
Fri, Nov 28 Georgetown
Sat, Nov 29 Loyola Marymount or Idaho State

Sat, Dec 06 Centenary *
Mon, Dec 08 Oral Roberts *
Sat, Dec 13 @Wyoming
Mon, Dec 15 @Denver
Sat, Dec 20 Jamestown College
Mon, Dec 29 Creighton
Sat, Jan 03 @Oakland *
Mon, Jan 05 @IPFW *
Sat, Jan 10 Western Illinois *
Mon, Jan 12 IUPUI *
Sat, Jan 17 @UMKC *
Mon, Jan 19 @Southern Utah *
Sat, Jan 24 @South Dakota State *
Sat, Jan 31 IPFW *
Mon, Feb 02 Oakland *
Sat, Feb 07 @IUPUI *
Mon, Feb 09 @Western Illinois *
Sat, Feb 14 Southern Utah *
Mon, Feb 16 UMKC *
Fri, Feb 20 South Dakota State *
Mon, Feb 23 Utah Valley
Sat, Feb 28 @Oral Roberts *
Mon, Mar 02 @Centenary *

Summit League Tournament (Sioux Falls, SD)
Sat, Mar 07 - Tue, Mar 10 TBA

* Conference Games

[sambini]

Were some of these games like Valley City etc.. made before Coach DeHoff got here? And in the future will they have more insight in who they want to play?

[MHDBisonfan]

We have got to quit playing the mary's, crookstons, valley city's, and jamestowns of the world. Exhibition or not. These are bush league, we might as well play Fargo South High.

I think Mary will give the Bison all they want and more for an exhibition game. They almost beat Montana State last year and swept MSUM, who if I remember correctly beat the Bison in 06-07 year's exhibition. They have a number of Mandan players on their team who could just as easily be suited up in the green and gold. We'll see. Now, Crookston, Valley City and Jamestown, that's another story and I completely agree, those teams need to get off the schedule - what possible good does it do for either team to play in a 50 point blowout? (Although the JC game 2 years ago was only 22 points). Compare the Bison's schedule with SDSU's schedule: Missouri, Wisconsin(at SDSU), Utah(home), Oregon(home),Minnesota,Gonzaga,Cal-Davis(home),Valpo(home). Now that's a schedule you'd want to go watch - Big 10, Big 12, Mountain West, Pac-10. Not the Dak 10. Couple of years ago they played USC at home, and also played Virginia, Kansas, Baylor, Colorado, Alabama, Marquette, etc. Yes we occassionaly get a team like this on our schedule - Alabama, Minnesota, etc, but overall its not even close. If the Bison and the Jacks are recruiting the same player, which schedule looks more enticing? The Wisconsin Badgers at home or the Valley City Vikings? Hmm tough one. Plus Fargo South already had their schedule filled;)

[MHDBisonfan]

OK, I have to rant about our schedule again. :ranting:

SDSU: Missouri, Wisconsin, Utah, Oregon, Minnesota, Illinois, Maryland

USD: Colorado State, North Carolina

UND: Wyoming, Arkansas, Northwestern, +?? at Iowa State tourney

NSDU: Minnesota, Georgetown, Wyoming, Creighton

This is just ridiculous that we cannot get better "name" teams from bigger conferences on our schedule. Why are UxD's playing SEC, ACC teams, while we are playing Jamestown and Valley City? :confused:

OK, end of rant :banghead:

[BisBison]

Hate to say this, but I hope Bison fans stay home in record numbers for the Valley City and Jamestown games this year. I've defended this scheduling in the past, but come on we're fully D-I playoff eligible now. Enough of the NAIA schools already.

[BlueKeyAlum]

Hate to say this, but I hope Bison fans stay home in record numbers for the Valley City and Jamestown games this year. I've defended this scheduling in the past, but come on we're fully D-I playoff eligible now. Enough of the NAIA schools already.

Punishing a new coach and a bunch of new players, especially when they probably had very little say on determining the schedule, seems a bit mean-spirited and counter productive to me.

Also, isn't Bison All American Jll Devries, still coaching VCSU? Get out and show the love!!

[MNBISONCLUB]

Just a heads up. Midnight madness set for October 17. Time to be announced, but should be around 8:00 pm. I can't wait for the season to start. Should be very interesting.

[imabison]

Just a heads up. Midnight madness set for October 17. Time to be announced, but should be around 8:00 pm. I can't wait for the season to start. Should be very interesting.
Renewed my season ticket today for the mens and womens package.

WILL YOU BE THERE!!!!

[BisonVifte]

I sent mine in on the weekend also.

[MNBISONCLUB]

My goal is to be at every Bison Womens BB game, home and away. They may start slow but I anticipate they will finish very strong.

[roadwarrior]

My goal is to be at every Bison Womens BB game, home and away. They may start slow but I anticipate they will finish very strong.

This is quite a challenge!

[imabison]

This is quite a challenge!
Someone is trying to get to 300 in a shorter time that you Roadwarrior. Of course if you included other events attended it would be huge :)

[BisBison]

Punishing a new coach and a bunch of new players, especially when they probably had very little say on determining the schedule, seems a bit mean-spirited and counter productive to me.

Also, isn't Bison All American Jll Devries, still coaching VCSU? Get out and show the love!!

Alright, one more year, but come on, after this year these games should be reserved for the exhibition games only IMHO.

[BisoninNWMN]

My goal is to be at every Bison Womens BB game, home and away. They may start slow but I anticipate they will finish very strong.


I disagree...new coach, only 10 players....it's going to be a long season.

[BisBison]

I disagree...new coach, only 10 players....it's going to be a long season.

I hope you are wrong, but I'm inclined to believe you.

[imabison]

I disagree...new coach, only 10 players....it's going to be a long season.
For most of the Bison opponents!!!!!!!

[Elephants Dream?]

Reply to posts 35 & 36.
That's Lots of miles and hours on the highway, plus the
pine time at games. Car and motel expenses, too.
I love it myself, so Good Luck on making all the games.
Roadwarrior and I have longevity on our side.
We'll see you at a game.

[fan]

I am a fan of women's bb from way back to the days of SU dominating DII. I have been to many SU women's games over the past 25-35 years. Been doing some reading here. Last year SU beat Jamestown by 22 I believe. I will go against the common wisdom here and predict the game this year will be closer than that. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like the Bison teams of 15-20 years ago would beat the current versions. Let's hope there is a marked improvement this year.

[BlueKeyAlum]

I am a fan of women's bb from way back to the days of SU dominating DII. I have been to many SU women's games over the past 25-35 years. Been doing some reading here. Last year SU beat Jamestown by 22 I believe. I will go against the common wisdom here and predict the game this year will be closer than that. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems like the Bison teams of 15-20 years ago would beat the current versions. Let's hope there is a marked improvement this year.


Well, we're losing 4 starters....that would impact most teams right there. I think there will be some struggles because there are a lot of inexperienced players going to be expected to make big contributions. Plus a new coach, with a new style, and new way of doing things. I don't think it's unexpected that the team will struggle.

Regarding teams from 15-20 years ago vs today....I think the game is so different and the environment is way different. The Bison domnated back then because we had one or two or three women that could dribble and chew gum at the same time which wasn't the case with most other teams at our level. 15 -20 years back Division II teams were comprised of players that may have 3 months of basketball a year for 4-5 years of basketball. Now most teams have kids that play ball 9 months out of the year. There are a lot more talented kids around in the pool. I think it's good when we get kids like Birkel and this Linz kid next year who are at the top of regional rankings.

Back to the question, I think the teams of the 80s would not beat last year's team.

[Elephants Dream?]

The teams from the early and mid 90's had a
different attitude than the teams from the last
5-7 years. It showed in their winning percentage
and regional/national titles.

[fan]

I would agree that today's players are more athletic. 6ft guards were hard to find 15 years ago for instance. I would give the past players more credit though. They were pretty darn tough and had an attitude in a good way. I think the Bison didn't evaluate talent very well (recruit well) for a number of years. Moorhead State was tougher in the exhibition game last year or the year before. Shut NDSU down. The current versions can look real good or not so good. If the girls don't play inspired ball the can be embarrassed. Now, I would like to believe that things are on the way up and look forward to watching them.

[sambini]

I think Coach DeHoff will have an more intense and aggressive style imo.

[BisoninNWMN]

Well, we're losing 4 starters....that would impact most teams right there. I think there will be some struggles because there are a lot of inexperienced players going to be expected to make big contributions. Plus a new coach, with a new style, and new way of doing things. I don't think it's unexpected that the team will struggle.

Regarding teams from 15-20 years ago vs today....I think the game is so different and the environment is way different. The Bison domnated back then because we had one or two or three women that could dribble and chew gum at the same time which wasn't the case with most other teams at our level. 15 -20 years back Division II teams were comprised of players that may have 3 months of basketball a year for 4-5 years of basketball. Now most teams have kids that play ball 9 months out of the year. There are a lot more talented kids around in the pool. I think it's good when we get kids like Birkel and this Linz kid next year who are at the top of regional rankings.

Back to the question, I think the teams of the 80s would not beat last year's team.

Had Nadine Schmidt in class at NDSU.....those championship teams of the early 90's would beat the Bison teams of the last few yrs. They had a confidence about them...they felt like they could beat anyone.

Like I said in a previous post....it will be a long yr for the Bison.

....was there for the Delta State championship game...hopefully Bison WBB can get back to that again

[BisoninNWMN]

For most of the Bison opponents!!!!!!!

...I doubt it...not this yr

[greenandgold]

The llate 80's/90's teams would beat them soundly. You are overestimating the value of AAU's, and underestimating the flat out athletic ability of the late 1980's - 1990's group. Actually DII was more competitive during the 80s/90's than DII is today before the NCAA started to dilute the talent through lowering the # of scholarships, etc. Morlock, Schmidt, Rademacher, DeVries, Roufs, Buck, Evan, Smykowski, Kramer...come on, lets get real. Most of the lower rated DI conferences (such as the Summit) would not have placed a team in the top 3 of the old NCC during that time.
BUT I love the Bison, and I can hardly wait for the new season!

[Fan08]

i really doubt it that todays teams would lose to the teams from the 80s and 90s. girls today are way better and more athletic as a whole than back then. also, i played aau and it was the best basketball. you played against players that were the best on their high school teams and the best from all over the country so i dont know how you can overestimate aau

[BisoninNWMN]

i really doubt it that todays teams would lose to the teams from the 80s and 90s. girls today are way better and more athletic as a whole than back then. also, i played aau and it was the best basketball. you played against players that were the best on their high school teams and the best from all over the country so i dont know how you can overestimate aau

Morlock-Buck-Schmidt-Devries

No way they lose to the teams of the last few yrs...no way

[sambini]

Morlock-Buck-Schmidt-Devries

No way they lose to the teams of the last few yrs...no way
And a few others also.... Those gals could get it done.

[Fan08]

i really dont think so. girls basketball has changed dramatically since those days

[lakesbison]

since 1998-9 women's bball changed...

2008 ndsu 75
1988 ndsu 61

[d3boys]

no way
nobody to stop morlock

[Elephants Dream?]

I'll add Steere, Davis, Parsley, Mund, Kelly, etc.
Roufs would nail a few of the ones around now and
they would be headed for the showers, wimpering.
The early & mid 90's girls had such a different attitude.
They may not have been as athletically talented as some
of the newer players but they would mop the floor with
the newbies.

[sambini]

I'll add Steere, Davis, Parsley, Mund, Kelly, etc.
Roufs would nail a few of the ones around now and
they would be headed for the showers, wimpering.
The early & mid 90's girls had such a different attitude.
They may not have been as athletically talented as some
of the newer players but they would mop the floor with
the newbies.++++++++++++++++++

[greenandgold]

I'll add Steere, Davis, Parsley, Mund, Kelly, etc.
Roufs would nail a few of the ones around now and
they would be headed for the showers, wimpering.
The early & mid 90's girls had such a different attitude.
They may not have been as athletically talented as some
of the newer players but they would mop the floor with
the newbies.

Yes, important additions that I missed in my list. Too bad we have no time transporter to see how this would work out! I know the fans/players of today don't like to hear it, but lower level (yes, sorry, the Summit league is one of the bottom 15 conferences in the Nation for DI) is a lower level of basketball than the top level DII conferences were, before the best conferences split up to go DI. It should tell you a great deal when we went into the Summit and we were immediately a top 2 - 3 team just coming out of Division II transition - with a team of great young woman but not the best athletes or ball players to play at NDSU. We owe them a debt of gratitude for toughing out those transition years. Great commitment and great work from that group. :nod:

[fan]

Important to note that I am saying that the current players are very good but some older versions were exceptional. Competition is also much better. Overall, I think the talent pool is much larger now. There isn't much difference between the top junior/senior players in DII and even NAIA and the freshman players at NDSU. These same players at NDSU then become better at college because they work at it 4-6 hours a day and they have more potential coming in.

[ThunderingHer]

Did someone say that the teams of the 90's had a hard time walking and chewing gum or something?? Was that before, during or after the national championships were being won?? :D

[BlueKeyAlum]

While the Bison had some great players in the past, they put up huge numbers and wins against teams that didn't have top personnel. Kacey Morlock is a great player but she put up numbers against posts that were 2-3 inches shorter than her. How effective would she be in a league like the Summit where everyone has a number of players 6-1 or taller?

[d3boys]

she would dominate
she was total gamer