tickets!

[walknroehl]

Got the letter about season tickets. I've never had them before but apparently if I bought single game tickets thru the site they send this letter to me? I'm putting in for 4 so that's 4 more than last year. I can't wait!!!!!

[HerdBot]

Got the letter about season tickets. I've never had them before but apparently if I bought single game tickets thru the site they send this letter to me? I'm putting in for 4 so that's 4 more than last year. I can't wait!!!!!

Smart move because within' a few years you won't be able to buy them in advance and season ticket holders are guaranteed playoff tickets too!

[90BISON]

Got mine the other day too. Just a small question. If you buy a family pack, 2 res. seats w/ 2 kids GA, you obviously would not be able to sit together if it was a packed house. What am I missing here?:confused:

[Rockbear99]

yea just got mine in the mail yesterday. the wife is a sioux hockey fan and I took her to a few Bison games over the last couple of years, now she is trying to talk me into geting season tickets. I dont think she will have to try too hard.

[bisongirl]

Got mine the other day too. Just a small question. If you buy a family pack, 2 res. seats w/ 2 kids GA, you obviously would not be able to sit together if it was a packed house. What am I missing here?:confused:

I'm sure that they are all GA, not 2 adult reserved and 2 kids GA. Up until this past year we always bought the family pack and they were all GA.

[NDSUFREAK]

we're ready to roehl.

[90BISON]

I'm sure that they are all GA, not 2 adult reserved and 2 kids GA. Up until this past year we always bought the family pack and they were all GA.

Apparently I didn't look at it close enough. Haven't decided how much I'm willing to spend all at once yet, but it will be my first year for season tickets for sure.:nod:

[bisongirl]

Apparently I didn't look at it close enough. Haven't decided how much I'm willing to spend all at once yet, but it will be my first year for season tickets for sure.:nod:

The family pack was a great option for us. We were always very happy with them. You do need to get into the games early to get some decent seats because they are GA, but they are season tickets and you save some $. We are now Team Makers and have TM seats, but the GA Family Pack was a great start!

[90BISON]

The family pack was a great option for us. We were always very happy with them. You do need to get into the games early to get some decent seats because they are GA, but they are season tickets and you save some $. We are now Team Makers and have TM seats, but the GA Family Pack was a great start!

We are actually at most of the games, at least the last 3-4 years. Most of the time just got tickets a week ahead or so or had the company's season tickets. Tried to talk the GM into getting a box, but he thought it was a little steep. Besides, am long overdue to join TM.:)

[RedRiver]

Got the letter about season tickets. I've never had them before but apparently if I bought single game tickets thru the site they send this letter to me? I'm putting in for 4 so that's 4 more than last year. I can't wait!!!!!

I got the mailing also, pretty impressive graphics. Thought it looked real professional. I have a quesiton, this is not the ticket order form for Team Makers is it? Don't they do a separate mailing for Team Makers football seating?

[roadwarrior]

The Teammaker renewal notices have not been sent out yet.

[Jdubs21]

i thnk all of us who like to make alot of noise should get in the section right next to the student section :)

[DIGRAPPLER]

I got the letter to and I am not a Team Maker. They must have my address from the checks I wrote last year. I went to 3 homes games last year with my son. The season ticket sure looks appealing right now. Does anyone know if you can do automatic withdraw for tickets or Team Makers? I can't aford to do tickets in one lump sum but I could easily do $20 a month.

[Trim]

I'm pretty sure you can set up some type of monthly withdrawal. 231-NDSU.

[Hammersmith]

I got the letter to and I am not a Team Maker. They must have my address from the checks I wrote last year. I went to 3 homes games last year with my son. The season ticket sure looks appealing right now. Does anyone know if you can do automatic withdraw for tickets or Team Makers? I can't aford to do tickets in one lump sum but I could easily do $20 a month.
You have to pay for the tickets themselves all at once, but you can make monthly payments on the Team Makers dues using direct pay. Here are the needed forms:

2008 Football Ticket Order Form (.pdf) (https://admin.xosn.com/pdf7/107222.pdf?SPID=714&SPSID=28690&KEY=NLTXOAIZGILVNGJ.20080201042938&DB_ACCOUNT_TYPE=AGENT&TITAN_ACTIVE=YES&DB_MENU_ID=2768&DB_LANG=C&OLD_MODE=publishing&DB_OEM_ID=2400)
2008 Team Makers Membership Application (.pdf) (http://www.gobison.com//pdf1/106775.pdf?SPID=714&DB_OEM_ID=2400&SPSID=28690)
Team Makers Membership Payment Options (.pdf) (http://admin.xosn.com/pdf2/68482.pdf?SPID=714&SPSID=28690&KEY=SLFXMRTVUOJMNBX.20070318153556&DB_ACCOUNT_TYPE=AGENT&skip_agent_menus=NO&DB_MENU_ID=286&skip_agent_info=NO&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=2400)

For example, payment for a seat low in Section 4 could be set up as $125 up front, plus monthly payments of $8.33 for the TM dues.


As an aside, season ticket sales look good if the chart in the first link can be believed. According to it, everything between the 20's on the press box side is sold out, plus the lower sections of the same on the west side.

[Trim]

Wow, look at all the blocks sold out. I don't recall seeing that last year.

[HooliganBison]

I want to expand from 2 season tickets to 4 and I am wondering how the priority system works. I am not a teammaker if that makes a difference.

[Thundarette05]

Has anyone noticed on the seating chart that some of the sections are colored green, gold, and blue and have (1/2),full...etc included on that section? My seats are located in section 17 and I called the ticket office and they said there are two different pricings for those sections that are colored. There is the grandfathered price and the new price for new ticket holders. To have 4 seats in my row and my section it is now $8250.00. So, I think the number in brackets is the amount of scholarship needed to donate to be in that section.

Wow....I hope they aren't going to start squeezing us loyal fans out that have been donating to Teammakers for years.

Here is the link of the seating chart http://www.gobison.com//pdf4/99374.pdf?SPID=714&DB_OEM_ID=2400&SPSID=28690

[imabison]

Has anyone noticed on the seating chart that some of the sections are colored green, gold, and blue and have (1/2),full...etc included on that section? My seats are located in section 17 and I called the ticket office and they said there are two different pricings for those sections that are colored. There is the grandfathered price and the new price for new ticket holders. To have 4 seats in my row and my section it is now $8250.00. So, I think the number in brackets is the amount of scholarship needed to donate to be in that section.

Wow....I hope they aren't going to start squeezing us loyal fans out that have been donating to Teammakers for years.

Here is the link of the seating chart http://www.gobison.com//pdf4/99374.pdf?SPID=714&DB_OEM_ID=2400&SPSID=28690
They are not trying to squeeze anyone out, but are increasing the value of the seats. My section went up last year, but stayed the same this year.

I am sure at some time people that are sitting in the secitons that they ask a part of a scholarship donation for will eventually be asked to move.

I am in that situation for Baskbetball, and if asked I will move to an alternate seat. I pay what I can afford.

[NDSUFan_Sav]

i thnk all of us who like to make alot of noise should get in the section right next to the student section :)

Come join us....hell move all the freshmen out and stand with us and yell.:) ..damn freshmen that sit after 1st quarter!!!! DAMN THEM!!!:banghead:

[DORMIE]

Bottom line is there are very few seats available in the botton 20 rows in those sections. The full, 3/4 and 1/2 just indicate what poeple would pay if there were seats available. No one will be asked to move, however I imaging the seat prices will continue to go up. People are already asking for more seats and Simmers already has a few people lined up for 1/2, 3/4 and fulls.

[Bison101]

Got the letter about season tickets. I've never had them before but apparently if I bought single game tickets thru the site they send this letter to me? I'm putting in for 4 so that's 4 more than last year. I can't wait!!!!!

Yeah..got the letter too. I'm just not sure if I'll be able to make it to all the games.:confused:

[CarringtonBison]

Yeah..got the letter too. I'm just not sure if I'll be able to make it to all the games.:confused:

Buy them and if you can't make it give them to other fans and potential season ticket holders/teammakers :).

[Trim]

The new prices for the lower 20 in the middle 5 sections are mind boggling to me. To move down 3 rows would "only" cost me $4,500 more than what I already pay. I know most of the those seats (probably all?) are already taken and those people will not have to pay the huge price. But I still just don't get it. How does that compare to, say, the Gophers? Badgers? Huskers? Top-level FCS team? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Dome full of people paying big-time money for their seats. And, I am trusting that the NDSU people know what they're doing. I guess I'm still just having a hard time accepting that I'm not going to get much lower seats than where I currently am for quite some time, if ever.

[56BISON73]

The new prices for the lower 20 in the middle 5 sections are mind boggling to me. To move down 3 rows would "only" cost me $4,500 more than what I already pay. I know most of the those seats (probably all?) are already taken and those people will not have to pay the huge price. But I still just don't get it. How does that compare to, say, the Gophers? Badgers? Huskers? Top-level FCS team? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the Dome full of people paying big-time money for their seats. And, I am trusting that the NDSU people know what they're doing. I guess I'm still just having a hard time accepting that I'm not going to get much lower seats than where I currently am for quite some time, if ever.

At Iowa tickets on the 50 are a 500-600 dollar donation each plus the season tickets. Iam surprised as well at what NDSU is charging. But they will find what the market will bear. PL

[90BISON]

At Iowa tickets on the 50 are a 500-600 dollar donation each plus the season tickets. Iam surprised as well at what NDSU is charging. But they will find what the market will bear. PL

Supply & Demand. You can only charge what the market will bear, and obviously they think they have enough of "those" people to buy that number of seats. If I was spending that kind of money, I would want the best seats in the house as well, and there's only so many of them to go around. Look what people are willing to pay to go watch the $%$^$^%$ Vikings lose week in and week out. If you put a good product on the field, people will support it. (Okay, that logic doesn't seem to work for the Vikings though?)

[Herd Mentality]

I waffled on whether to post this in the TeamMaker thread or here.

What I want to say many of you probably will disagree with, but it really bugged me. I'm really disappointed in everyone claiming "supply and demand" and saying whatever your increase was is "no big deal".

I've seen too many people over the last few years not renew because of being priced out of their seats. Some of you may say "we don't need the supporters who aren't willing to fork over a little more". I don't agree. Do these people move to a cheaper section? No, they typically quit being TeamMakers altogether. I have NEVER heard of any followup to these folks on why they dropped, what can be done to get them back...etc. Doesn't that seem weird to anybody?

Now, let me say that I will fork over the extra money again this year to retain my membership and season tickets. However, I'm annoyed. I get a seating chart showing me that my section is now a 1/2 scholarship section (right next to the $100 section...seriously...wtf?). What does this say to me? It tells me that every year I'm going to continue to see 20% or more increases in my cost to attend a game and I'm just supposed to "suck it up" because they could be charging me $5500. I'm going to eventually get priced out of my seats and then won't even be able to get a decent seat anymore in a cheaper section that I can afford at that time. At which point I guess I'll just give up seating priority and get season tickets like non-TeamMakers.

I realize TeamMakers is non-profit, but as a business they suck. No follow up on people that drop out, etc. Is it too much to ask for a plan? I'd love to have my letter from Gene Taylor every year say something like the following...

"Dear Herd:

What a year! yadda yadda yadda Due to increasing costs and in order to advance university athletics in D1....yadda yadda yadda... We are putting forth the following plan for each contribution category.... Increasing each category by x% over the next x years with a x% increase per year....

PS>
This year we will try not to have you escorted from a game for no reason"

[Gully]

I waffled on whether to post this in the TeamMaker thread or here.

What I want to say many of you probably will disagree with, but it really bugged me. I'm really disappointed in everyone claiming "supply and demand" and saying whatever your increase was is "no big deal".

I've seen too many people over the last few years not renew because of being priced out of their seats. Some of you may say "we don't need the supporters who aren't willing to fork over a little more". I don't agree. Do these people move to a cheaper section? No, they typically quit being TeamMakers altogether. I have NEVER heard of any followup to these folks on why they dropped, what can be done to get them back...etc. Doesn't that seem weird to anybody?

Now, let me say that I will fork over the extra money again this year to retain my membership and season tickets. However, I'm annoyed. I get a seating chart showing me that my section is now a 1/2 scholarship section (right next to the $100 section...seriously...wtf?). What does this say to me? It tells me that every year I'm going to continue to see 20% or more increases in my cost to attend a game and I'm just supposed to "suck it up" because they could be charging me $5500. I'm going to eventually get priced out of my seats and then won't even be able to get a decent seat anymore in a cheaper section that I can afford at that time. At which point I guess I'll just give up seating priority and get season tickets like non-TeamMakers.

I realize TeamMakers is non-profit, but as a business they suck. No follow up on people that drop out, etc. Is it too much to ask for a plan? I'd love to have my letter from Gene Taylor every year say something like the following...

"Dear Herd:

What a year! yadda yadda yadda Due to increasing costs and in order to advance university athletics in D1....yadda yadda yadda... We are putting forth the following plan for each contribution category.... Increasing each category by x% over the next x years with a x% increase per year....

PS>
This year we will try not to have you escorted from a game for no reason"


Buck up and spend some of that moldy money Herd!!!

[56BISON73]

I waffled on whether to post this in the TeamMaker thread or here.

What I want to say many of you probably will disagree with, but it really bugged me. I'm really disappointed in everyone claiming "supply and demand" and saying whatever your increase was is "no big deal".

I've seen too many people over the last few years not renew because of being priced out of their seats. Some of you may say "we don't need the supporters who aren't willing to fork over a little more". I don't agree. Do these people move to a cheaper section? No, they typically quit being TeamMakers altogether. I have NEVER heard of any followup to these folks on why they dropped, what can be done to get them back...etc. Doesn't that seem weird to anybody?

Now, let me say that I will fork over the extra money again this year to retain my membership and season tickets. However, I'm annoyed. I get a seating chart showing me that my section is now a 1/2 scholarship section (right next to the $100 section...seriously...wtf?). What does this say to me? It tells me that every year I'm going to continue to see 20% or more increases in my cost to attend a game and I'm just supposed to "suck it up" because they could be charging me $5500. I'm going to eventually get priced out of my seats and then won't even be able to get a decent seat anymore in a cheaper section that I can afford at that time. At which point I guess I'll just give up seating priority and get season tickets like non-TeamMakers.

I realize TeamMakers is non-profit, but as a business they suck. No follow up on people that drop out, etc. Is it too much to ask for a plan? I'd love to have my letter from Gene Taylor every year say something like the following...

"Dear Herd:

What a year! yadda yadda yadda Due to increasing costs and in order to advance university athletics in D1....yadda yadda yadda... We are putting forth the following plan for each contribution category.... Increasing each category by x% over the next x years with a x% increase per year....

PS>
This year we will try not to have you escorted from a game for no reason"

OK folks. Get your panties out of the wad they are in.
ALL current teammakers are GRANDFATHERED in. You will not be required to pay the higher fees. The higher donation per seat is for NEW teammakers ONLY. This information was provded by Josh from the ticket office. PL

[TransAmBison]

OK folks. Get your panties out of the wad they are in.
ALL current teammakers are GRANDFATHERED in. You will not be required to pay the higher fees. The higher donation per seat is for NEW teammakers ONLY. This information was provded by Josh from the ticket office. PL
That isn't what Herd was saying. He knows he isn't paying the new price. He was talking about year after year increases to what he pays.

[Bison Dan]

That isn't what Herd was saying. He knows he isn't paying the new price. He was talking about year after year increases to what he pays.

There's going to be a yearly increase (for grandfathered team makers) until everyone is brought up to the value of their seating section. It does suck but I've been a team maker since 83 and these last few years have been the best and have been worth the extra money (to me). Everyone will have to make their own decision as whether it's worth it to them.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Ok if a new teammaker has to pay the 1/2 scholorship why doesn't a existing teammaker have to pay them same. I know they may have supported the bison for years but how are you going to get new teammakers if you price them out.
So I guess there is pre division one move teammakers and post division 1 move teammakers. If that seat is worth this many dollars for one person should it not be worth the exact same for the next person.

I will admit I am a little whiney as I have not been a teammaker but have been to about every game the last few years (missed one for a wedding). My wife and I were looking at being teammakers, we both have been involved with many nonprofits. We were going to see what we could get for around a 1000 including tickets. I guess our money isn't as good as the peoples who have been teammakers before though. Kind of makes me go Hmmm. I guess if we join we will just be second class teammakers.

[90BISON]

I waffled on whether to post this in the TeamMaker thread or here.

What I want to say many of you probably will disagree with, but it really bugged me. I'm really disappointed in everyone claiming "supply and demand" and saying whatever your increase was is "no big deal".

I've seen too many people over the last few years not renew because of being priced out of their seats. Some of you may say "we don't need the supporters who aren't willing to fork over a little more". I don't agree. Do these people move to a cheaper section? No, they typically quit being TeamMakers altogether. I have NEVER heard of any followup to these folks on why they dropped, what can be done to get them back...etc. Doesn't that seem weird to anybody?

Now, let me say that I will fork over the extra money again this year to retain my membership and season tickets. However, I'm annoyed. I get a seating chart showing me that my section is now a 1/2 scholarship section (right next to the $100 section...seriously...wtf?). What does this say to me? It tells me that every year I'm going to continue to see 20% or more increases in my cost to attend a game and I'm just supposed to "suck it up" because they could be charging me $5500. I'm going to eventually get priced out of my seats and then won't even be able to get a decent seat anymore in a cheaper section that I can afford at that time. At which point I guess I'll just give up seating priority and get season tickets like non-TeamMakers.

I realize TeamMakers is non-profit, but as a business they suck. No follow up on people that drop out, etc. Is it too much to ask for a plan? I'd love to have my letter from Gene Taylor every year say something like the following...

"Dear Herd:

What a year! yadda yadda yadda Due to increasing costs and in order to advance university athletics in D1....yadda yadda yadda... We are putting forth the following plan for each contribution category.... Increasing each category by x% over the next x years with a x% increase per year....

PS>
This year we will try not to have you escorted from a game for no reason"

If your response was directed at my comments regarding supply and demand you maybe misunderstood my point. By the way, pretty much agree with all the above you just said. I don't think you should just pay the increase, whatever it is, without asking some questions as to the why and how. As a TeamMaker, isn't it you right to ask? Being potentially forced out of your seats due to cost increases, sucks, but we all have choices like that every day. (Property Taxes, insurance, new vehicle cost, etc.) I guess my point was that the powers that be, must think they have enough people that would be willing to pay the higher cost and that they will accept some rate of attrition as long as the overall financial goal is reached. As someone else said though, I hope those people they do lose that were maybe long term boosters are followed up on to find out why they quit.

[Herd Mentality]

I didn't mean to point your comment out like that...the phrase just seemed to sum up what i was seeing between both threads.

I felt like this years "bill" with the updated pricing chart was supposed to make me feel all fuzzy inside that I could see another 20-25% increase per year for the rest of my life (I looked and since I've been a TeamMaker that is the kind of increase I've seen...albeit it's only been 5 years, but wow!)

Is it too much to ask for a plan on what they want to do? I could care less about being grandfathered in if I know that this is a way to inflating the "value" of my ticket every year. Even the city of Fargo lets me know well in advance of my increased property valuation and gives me the opportunity to have it reviewed! :)

Let's say next year I'm told that my ticket will cost $500, and then the next $1000... Suddenly I can't justify the expense on my salary and want to move into the $100 section (21). If I gave what I gave before would I automatically get row A seat 1 in that section...no. I'd be placed at the back of the section or even worse forced to sit behind those loud, milk drinkers in that section. ;)

[Bison Dan]

I didn't mean to point your comment out like that...the phrase just seemed to sum up what i was seeing between both threads.

I felt like this years "bill" with the updated pricing chart was supposed to make me feel all fuzzy inside that I could see another 20-25% increase per year for the rest of my life (I looked and since I've been a TeamMaker that is the kind of increase I've seen...albeit it's only been 5 years, but wow!)

Is it too much to ask for a plan on what they want to do? I could care less about being grandfathered in if I know that this is a way to inflating the "value" of my ticket every year. Even the city of Fargo lets me know well in advance of my increased property valuation and gives me the opportunity to have it reviewed! :)

Let's say next year I'm told that my ticket will cost $500, and then the next $1000... Suddenly I can't justify the expense on my salary and want to move into the $100 section (21). If I gave what I gave before would I automatically get row A seat 1 in that section...no. I'd be placed at the back of the section or even worse forced to sit behind those loud, milk drinkers in that section. ;)

Call and talk to Pat Simmers. 231-9555 and let him know what your concerns are. He should be able to give you the right info.

[Bisonfan1]

I didn't mean to point your comment out like that...the phrase just seemed to sum up what i was seeing between both threads.

I felt like this years "bill" with the updated pricing chart was supposed to make me feel all fuzzy inside that I could see another 20-25% increase per year for the rest of my life (I looked and since I've been a TeamMaker that is the kind of increase I've seen...albeit it's only been 5 years, but wow!)

Is it too much to ask for a plan on what they want to do? I could care less about being grandfathered in if I know that this is a way to inflating the "value" of my ticket every year. Even the city of Fargo lets me know well in advance of my increased property valuation and gives me the opportunity to have it reviewed! :)

Let's say next year I'm told that my ticket will cost $500, and then the next $1000... Suddenly I can't justify the expense on my salary and want to move into the $100 section (21). If I gave what I gave before would I automatically get row A seat 1 in that section...no. I'd be placed at the back of the section or even worse forced to sit behind those loud, milk drinkers in that section. ;)

Come on Herd, dont fight it, just join the slum section and be done with it. Get used to the 2 % milk starting now before the season starts. See ya there !! When you think about it, SDBISON had this pegged for the last couple years.

[Thundarette05]

As I posted earlier, I am one of the people affected by this new pricing scheme. I have been a TeamMaker for years, my dad was also a TeamMaker for decades before he passed away and I got my passion for Bison athletics from my parents.

I feel that it is unfortunate that some of these seats are going to be priced out of some people's reach. Why should those people have to leave their seats that they have occupied for years? Are they really going to be able to recoup their losses if these people decide not to renew their membership because all that is left is row UU? Or if they do renew, they are forced to downgrade their donation level due to the section of the seats. So, does this mean, if we are asked to move because we are in the "premium" section/row and can't afford the 8250.00 pricing are they going to bump someone else out of their seats a few rows up to make room for the people that pay more in TeamMaker fees? How are they going to accomodate the people that have supported Bison athletics for years? I am more than happy to donate what I can to the University and to NDSU athletics, but I feel that this is starting to turn into a corporate situation rather than an event for the average joe.

Not a rant...I just feel it is unfortunate

[bisonhusker]

My Husker tickets are almost exactly what I pay for my two tickets in the Fargodome....something just doesn't add up.
I agree with Herd......give me a "thank you" and a plan...and I am good. Team Makers is for all levels of fans and incomes, I think people just need to be more informed. Maybe Simmers can get a "hook" on Bisonville and fill everyone in.

[56BISON73]

That isn't what Herd was saying. He knows he isn't paying the new price. He was talking about year after year increases to what he pays.

Usually prices after a change like this are set for some time. They wont be changing for awhile. PL

[56BISON73]

There's going to be a yearly increase (for grandfathered team makers) until everyone is brought up to the value of their seating section.

Please provide a link or source to this statement. PL

[56BISON73]

As I posted earlier, I am one of the people affected by this new pricing scheme. I have been a TeamMaker for years, my dad was also a TeamMaker for decades before he passed away and I got my passion for Bison athletics from my parents.

I feel that it is unfortunate that some of these seats are going to be priced out of some people's reach. Why should those people have to leave their seats that they have occupied for years? Are they really going to be able to recoup their losses if these people decide not to renew their membership because all that is left is row UU? Or if they do renew, they are forced to downgrade their donation level due to the section of the seats. So, does this mean, if we are asked to move because we are in the "premium" section/row and can't afford the 8250.00 pricing are they going to bump someone else out of their seats a few rows up to make room for the people that pay more in TeamMaker fees? How are they going to accomodate the people that have supported Bison athletics for years? I am more than happy to donate what I can to the University and to NDSU athletics, but I feel that this is starting to turn into a corporate situation rather than an event for the average joe.

Not a rant...I just feel it is unfortunate

NOBODY is being forced out of there seats.ALL current teammakers are GRANDFATHERED in. You will not be required to pay the higher fees. The higher donation per seat is for NEW teammakers ONLY. This information was provded by Josh from the ticket office. Call Pat Simmers. PL

[Bisonguy]

NOBODY is being forced out of there seats.ALL current teammakers are GRANDFATHERED in. You will not be required to pay the higher fees. The higher donation per seat is for NEW teammakers ONLY. This information was provded by Josh from the ticket office. Call Pat Simmers. PL

The price level for existing Team Makers is going up, as well. My TM contribution was $300 for two seats a couple years ago, it's now $600 this year for the same seats.

[Bison"FANatic"]

NOBODY is being forced out of there seats.ALL current teammakers are GRANDFATHERED in. You will not be required to pay the higher fees. The higher donation per seat is for NEW teammakers ONLY. This information was provded by Josh from the ticket office. Call Pat Simmers. PL

Once again a teammaker isn't a teammaker there is pre division 1 teammakers and post division 1 teammakers. If you are goin to charge the new person a certain price charge everyone that price, that is what is fair.

It hurts me to say that as it is a great organization, just looking a little "old boys club" when you charge new members different than old.

[56BISON73]

The price level for existing Team Makers is going up, as well. My TM contribution was $300 for two seats a couple years ago, it's now $600 this year for the same seats.

Do we know for sure that the pricing level for existing TM are going up? PL

[56BISON73]

Once again a teammaker isn't a teammaker there is pre division 1 teammakers and post division 1 teammakers. If you are goin to charge the new person a certain price charge everyone that price, that is what is fair.

It hurts me to say that as it is a great organization, just looking a little "old boys club" when you charge new members different than old.

The boys that started TM are old. :D But it has nothing to do with an old boys club in the relm of what people think of it and the decision making process. PL

[Bisonguy]

Do we know for sure that the pricing level for existing TM are going up? PL

Yes, but not as substantially as it would be for new Team Makers. My TM dues for two seats last season were $500. The same seats this year are $600 (neither $ amount accounts for ticket prices).

[Bisonguy]

Once again a teammaker isn't a teammaker there is pre division 1 teammakers and post division 1 teammakers. If you are goin to charge the new person a certain price charge everyone that price, that is what is fair.

It hurts me to say that as it is a great organization, just looking a little "old boys club" when you charge new members different than old.

It's been that way for quite a while. There are people that joined TM before the Fargodome opened that received some great seats that would currently cost a small fortune.

[Bison"FANatic"]

It's been that way for quite a while. There are people that joined TM before the Fargodome opened that received some great seats that would currently cost a small fortune.

It is just my opinion but I just find that to be ethically wrong to have what I thought was dual fee schedules but is probably more like "various fee schedules":smh: :smh: :smh:

[Gully]

Last time I checked, they're adding members and season tickets holders rapidly. Their goal is to maximize the money they can donate to NDSU for scholarships...if they price too high, they will drive people away and end up hurting themselves. I'm sure they've already taken that in to account. Teammakers is for all income levels, yes, but if you want the really good seats you'll have to pay more. There are only so many good seats (scarcity) and the way they'll ration these seats is through prices. This is how markets are supposed to work. In these sections, they have next to no inventory available and some people that will pay high dollars for them....why should they sell them to someone else for less?

It does appear as though they'll increase the dues for those of us currently sitting in those seats but it will be years and years before it would ever get that high...if they do it too fast they will indeed cause people to leave because there aren't that many that would pay 1/2 a scholly.

The one point I agree with is that if you're bumped out you should be able to bump the next guy down without going to the end of the line (worst seats).

As for me, I'm in the same section as Herd Mentality and as far as I can tell, my bill didn't go up.

[Bison"FANatic"]

But that is not a open market that is a very closed market. Open it up for everyone and see where the market is at. I know most on here don't want to hear that because they are teammakers and have their tickets locked in but I feel it is wrong. If it is just about raising money charge everyone the same and open up the "market" you will raise more if there is such a demand and there is a demand for tickets.

[Mr. Burgundy]

Gully, I am in the same section, and mine went up $100 (or 50 each).

[SDbison]

But that is not a open market that is a very closed market. Open it up for everyone and see where the market is at. I know most on here don't want to hear that because they are teammakers and have their tickets locked in but I feel it is wrong. If it is just about raising money charge everyone the same and open up the "market" you will raise more if there is such a demand and there is a demand for tickets.
I understand what you are saying and agree with what you are saying 100%. Some of the Bison nuts here will agree to anything Teammakers or the coaches say because they are GODS. It is total BS that they ask more of a new teammaker than the steep increases they are asking of existing members. Talk to Simmers........good luck! Much as all the old folk say it does not exist, OLD money is in control of most everything at NDSU.

[Gully]

Gully, I am in the same section, and mine went up $100 (or 50 each).

Ok, maybe I just didn't notice. I only have one of my tickets in that section so it's not too bad for me (my others are in section 32). The irony to me is that the section 32 seats are actually better seats....it's sometimes hard to see some of the plays from the front row, yet they're not going up, I don't think. Plus I have to sit by Herd Mentality in that section:D

As for the $50/seat, I guess I think the increase is more than worth it. I want to do my part to keep things growing. I actually increased my own contribution by more than that last year. That's partly why I pay for three pretty decent seats and give the other two seats to my folks.

Maybe I'm in the minority but to me it's not even so much about the seats as it is to helping the cause. That's why some people (including some on this board) give in multiple ways. I know of one very well known person (he's known to attend a game or two) on this board we even started his own endowment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone can/should give like he does, I just think those who want to should be provided every incentive and convenience.

Anyway, we can reasonably disagree on this but remember my old tagline...."get your tickets now". A few years ago when I wrote that I had no idea this would happen. In truth, if I didn't have these seats already I wouldn't be willing to donate 1/2 a scholly to get them now. Those who aren't yet members should sign up now because I guarantee the cost isn't going down. Over the next 20 years it's going to get crazy, especially with enrollments of 15-16 thousand.

[bisoneer]

Based on current availability, which are the best seats? I want to buy 2 season tickets and the $200 teammaker level for each, but what if a couple of my kids want to go with? Then should I get 4 seats and sell off 2 of them if they dont want to go with??

[99Bison]

This whole thread debate is based on the fine line between loyalty and revenue...

In reality it is a hard thing to try and be fair to both ends and with the current increasing demand - it has to be and is being dealt with.

[56BISON73]

Based on current availability, which are the best seats? I want to buy 2 season tickets and the $200 teammaker level for each, but what if a couple of my kids want to go with? Then should I get 4 seats and sell off 2 of them if they dont want to go with??

Sec 3,20,33 rows AA and above. Approx 30 yardline. Plus you are up high enough that you can see the play unfold no matter where the ball is. Im in sec 3 row BB and love the view. PL

[99Bison]

Based on current availability, which are the best seats? I want to buy 2 season tickets and the $200 teammaker level for each, but what if a couple of my kids want to go with? Then should I get 4 seats and sell off 2 of them if they dont want to go with??

If your kids are young and are likely to go more games in the future, I personally would suggest getting them so you have them sooner rather than later.

Of course in the Fargodome there isn't really a bad seat in the house. Personally I would rather sit higher than lower, so the farthest toward the middle you can get with $200 level would be my suggestion.

[Trim]

If your kids are young and are likely to go more games in the future, I personally would suggest getting them so you have them sooner rather than later.

Of course in the Fargodome there isn't really a bad seat in the house. Personally I would rather sit higher than lower, so the farthest toward the middle you can get with $200 level would be my suggestion.

Excellent advice. That's what I did. Last year I had 4 seats. Me, my wife, a 4 year old, and a 3 month old. Me and the 4 year old made every game. My wife made half and the 3 month old didn't attend any. I always brought someone when I had spares. 2 of my guests are getting tickets this year. They wouldn't have even gone to a game, now they're getting season tickets. Plus, now my youngest will have a seat when he gets older.

[CarringtonBison]

Excellent advice. That's what I did. Last year I had 4 seats. Me, my wife, a 4 year old, and a 3 month old. Me and the 4 year old made every game. My wife made half and the 3 month old didn't attend any. I always brought someone when I had spares. 2 of my guests are getting tickets this year. They wouldn't have even gone to a game, now they're getting season tickets. Plus, now my youngest will have a seat when he gets older.

That is what we have been doing. We have had 5-6 tickets a year and now that the kids are old enough to need there own seats, we have them. Seemed dumb at the time spending 150 on a seat that wasn't being used, but now we are set up. However, moving from section 32, where we are now, toward the middle is a lot more expensive for six seats!

[Herd Mentality]

I'm happy for a majority of you. Apparently you think TeamMakers not publishing a plan is fine and dandy. I work hard for my salary in Fargo that doesn't compare to what i could probably make somewhere else (I know because I gave up a lot to move back here) What keeps them from telling me next year that my donation has to increase 100% or I lose my seats and I'm no longer a member?...nothing. That's what you tell me when I have to hear by word of mouth that I'm being "grandfathered" in to some payment schedule but get sent a piece of paper to remind me of how much that someone thinks I should be paying. I also agree that if someone approaches TeamMakers and wants my seat and is willing to pay the $5500....give it to them, just move me somewhere appropriate in another section. I'm not going to stop the program from bringing in money because I think I'm entitled to a seat...

I don't have time to waste talking to Pat Simmers when I don't feel the organization doesn't give a crap about me because I don't give a certain amount of money, I don't own an influential business and I'm not an ex-athlete. I was not impressed how he handled some of the issues in section 21 last year.

Again....I'm going to pay my dues again this year. I'm just worried about what is being put in motion here. It's already unforunate that if I ever got married and had kids i couldn't add seats because it'd be financially impossible.

[CarringtonBison]

I'm happy for a majority of you. Apparently you think TeamMakers not publishing a plan is fine and dandy. I work hard for my salary in Fargo that doesn't compare to what i could probably make somewhere else (I know because I gave up a lot to move back here) What keeps them from telling me next year that my donation has to increase 100% or I lose my seats and I'm no longer a member?...nothing. That's what you tell me when I have to hear by word of mouth that I'm being "grandfathered" in to some payment schedule but get sent a piece of paper to remind me of how much that someone thinks I should be paying. I also agree that if someone approaches TeamMakers and wants my seat and is willing to pay the $5500....give it to them, just move me somewhere appropriate in another section. I'm not going to stop the program from bringing in money because I think I'm entitled to a seat...

I don't have time to waste talking to Pat Simmers when I don't feel the organization doesn't give a crap about me because I don't give a certain amount of money, I don't own an influential business and I'm not an ex-athlete. I was not impressed how he handled some of the issues in section 21 last year.

Again....I'm going to pay my dues again this year. I'm just worried about what is being put in motion here. It's already unforunate that if I ever got married and had kids i couldn't add seats because it'd be financially impossible.

I agree with the point you bring up. I think that some verbage should be agreed upon that ensures you first choice as long as you meet your prior year donation. If you are in section 1 paying 400 a seat or if you are in section 30 paying 100 dollars a seat, it should be the same in how you are treated for renewal. However, I don't think that the same seat should be kept for 20 years at 100 a seat when all new teammakers have to pay a lot more. That is why some sort of written agreement (i.e. in teammaker's bylaws) stipulates this, e.g. "after 10 years, seat price will increased based on average seat cost at the time, etc etc." That way it takes care of those that have been here long (no matter size of donation) and new donors looking for seats (which there will be plenty).

However, that being said it is a supply and demand issue. As NDSU gets more popular, demand will go up and thus prices shall rise. Unfortunate price of success.

just my $0.02

[Gully]

Ok, so some people agree with this and some don't. Let's try a slightly different discussion. For those of you that don't like it, what would you propose be done (given the increased demand, scarcity of good seats, and need to raise more money).

I know Herd made one suggestion that changes to the plan be made more transparent, which I would have to agree with.

Other ideas?

[Bison"FANatic"]

I agree with the point you bring up. I think that some verbage should be agreed upon that ensures you first choice as long as you meet your prior year donation. If you are in section 1 paying 400 a seat or if you are in section 30 paying 100 dollars a seat, it should be the same in how you are treated for renewal. However, I don't think that the same seat should be kept for 20 years at 100 a seat when all new teammakers have to pay a lot more. That is why some sort of written agreement (i.e. in teammaker's bylaws) stipulates this, e.g. "after 10 years, seat price will increased based on average seat cost at the time, etc etc." That way it takes care of those that have been here long (no matter size of donation) and new donors looking for seats (which there will be plenty).

However, that being said it is a supply and demand issue. As NDSU gets more popular, demand will go up and thus prices shall rise. Unfortunate price of success.

just my $0.02


I agree with you Carrington. I just think that there should be some transparent plan in place. To me it comes down to everyone should be treated the same. A new member should be treated the same as an existing member. The prices should be comparable with what the person sitting next to you is paying.

As for the "old boys club" comment. I will qualify that comment. I consider a organization to be a "old boys club" when new members are treated different than existing members by the decisions made by the existing members. It has nothing to do with boy, girls, young or old.

Just my .02

We talked about it last night and it looks like I am going to send in for 3 tickets in section 20.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Ok I know the membership drive is going on. Do any of you guys get credit for signing people up. If you do let me know and you can stop by and get my application otherwise I will just send it in.

[56BISON73]

I'm happy for a majority of you. Apparently you think TeamMakers not publishing a plan is fine and dandy. I work hard for my salary in Fargo that doesn't compare to what i could probably make somewhere else (I know because I gave up a lot to move back here) What keeps them from telling me next year that my donation has to increase 100% or I lose my seats and I'm no longer a member?...nothing. That's what you tell me when I have to hear by word of mouth that I'm being "grandfathered" in to some payment schedule but get sent a piece of paper to remind me of how much that someone thinks I should be paying. I also agree that if someone approaches TeamMakers and wants my seat and is willing to pay the $5500....give it to them, just move me somewhere appropriate in another section. I'm not going to stop the program from bringing in money because I think I'm entitled to a seat...

I don't have time to waste talking to Pat Simmers when I don't feel the organization doesn't give a crap about me because I don't give a certain amount of money, I don't own an influential business and I'm not an ex-athlete. I was not impressed how he handled some of the issues in section 21 last year.

Again....I'm going to pay my dues again this year. I'm just worried about what is being put in motion here. It's already unforunate that if I ever got married and had kids i couldn't add seats because it'd be financially impossible.

If you are not willing to talk to Simmers about the direction you THINK this is going then you really dont have anything to bitch about because you are complaining with out the benefit of ALL the facts. Give him a call as it certainly wouldnt hurt. PL

[Bison"FANatic"]

Ok I know the membership drive is going on. Do any of you guys get credit for signing people up. If you do let me know and you can stop by and get my application otherwise I will just send it in.

OK this is the first time I have ever replied to my own post but I just wanted to thank BisonHusker for getting in touch with me and answering a few questions and helping to get me set up with teammakers.

[roadwarrior]

Ok I know the membership drive is going on. Do any of you guys get credit for signing people up. If you do let me know and you can stop by and get my application otherwise I will just send it in.

Thanks for joining Teammakers!

[DORMIE]

For those of you that think that Pat Simmers has an easy job, you have your head in the wrong place and you should pass out any minute. Next years fund drive doesn't start until Feb. 25, however his phone is ringing off the hook from people who want more tickets next to where they sit. Eventually the ticket prices will level off and the price will be where the demand places them. Many long time ticket holders have been getting a deal for a long time and are finally going to have to pay or move. I actually am one of them. What has always pissed me off is a guy I know who claims to be this great WBB fan and goes to all the games. Buys a ticket at the game, is not a Teammaker($$$ for scholarships) but has all the answere as to what's wrong with everything. Bison Football and hopefully someday Bison Basketball is a hot item and poeple want to be there. Nobody goes there anymore because it's too full!!!!!!!

[56BISON73]

I haven't dealt with Simmers personally, so this is all hearsay, but from what I've heard it is a waste of time talking to Simmers, that he won't give you a straight answer and doesn't want to deal with any tough issues. Like I said, just what I've heard.

TA
I was there for a coversation in which Simmers was involved in regards to the supposed problems with fargo dome security and the problem with fans who wouldnt leave other fans alone.

He said there are 18,000 fans in the FD. They are not going to allow a few fans to ruin the game day expeience for the majority. They are also not going to move fans who have had tickets for a very long time because of a few fans that wont respect how they experience the game. They will MOVE the unruley fans. He said he would much rather warn you than have to cut you. I dont see that as avoiding a tough subject and it certainly couldnt be any more plain as to the actions that would be taken. PL

[Bison bison]

just pony up and write the check.

you'll be dead someday.

the closest thing to heaven on earth is Bison Football.

[4mcruenomore]

Just sent in my $$ today

[BisonNeil]

Regarding the home schedule, it was my understanding that Bohl said on the Hammer show on signing day that the football schedule was nearly competed and there would be an announcement soon. Since I already received and paid for my TeamMaker donation and my home seats for 6 games, is it safe to assume that the 11th game this fall will be a road game and not a 7th game? To me it would be difficult to send out bills to everyone who is a season ticket holder and/or a TeamMaker for just one game.

Any thoughts or speculation as to who our game 11 is with and when? Wisconsin seems out since we already have a game on Sept 20 with YSU.

[99Bison]

Regarding the home schedule, it was my understanding that Bohl said on the Hammer show on signing day that the football schedule was nearly competed and there would be an announcement soon. Since I already received and paid for my TeamMaker donation and my home seats for 6 games, is it safe to assume that the 11th game this fall will be a road game and not a 7th game? To me it would be difficult to send out bills to everyone who is a season ticket holder and/or a TeamMaker for just one game.

Any thoughts or speculation as to who our game 11 is with and when? Wisconsin seems out since we already have a game on Sept 20 with YSU.

If there is a 7th home game, they most likely would not increase ticket prices for it... That was already done this year even though in years past it was "the price is based on 5 games, six is a bonus." Maybe this year the motto changed to based on 6 games, the 7th is bonus.

[99Bison]

In reference to some earlier comments... Does everyone here realize that Team Makers essentially has one employee and some volunteers?

There are a lot of things to do and plan, especially if you include things wanted to be done that are not yet happening. Like better communication and planning - I personally agree more communication would be good, but part of todays growing pains have to be learning and aquiring more help.

[Bison4Life]

i was just wondering what say 2 season tickets would run a person in total cost? been thinking about getting some season tickets and just hoping for some insite.

[56BISON73]

i was just wondering what say 2 season tickets would run a person in total cost? been thinking about getting some season tickets and just hoping for some insite.

All depends on where you want to sit and if you are a current teammaker. PL

[Bison4Life]

lets just say around the 20 yard line about half way up.

[56BISON73]

lets just say around the 20 yard line about half way up.

Sec 4, 21 and 32. 100.00 per seat donation to Teammakers and 125.00 per season ticket. For 225.00 total per seat. Call Josh at the ticket office for availability. 231 6378. PL

[Bison4Life]

Sec 4, 21 and 32. 100.00 per seat donation to Teammakers and 125.00 per season ticket. For 225.00 total per seat. Call Josh at the ticket office for availability. 231 6378. PL

so then its 225 dollars for the seat for the whole season then or is that just the rights to the seat plus then the cost of all the games or what.......just trying to find the cost for the whole season.....sorry if im being difficult.

[56BISON73]

so then its 225 dollars for the seat for the whole season then or is that just the rights to the seat plus then the cost of all the games or what.......just trying to find the cost for the whole season.....sorry if im being difficult.

100.00 per seat donation to Teammakers and 125.00 PER EACH season ticket. For 225.00 total EACH seat for the season..PL

[Bison4Life]

that is not bad at all 225 for a seat for the season......i thought it would have costed more.

[Gully]

that is not bad at all 225 for a seat for the season......i thought it would have costed more.

Not too bad at all.....I hope you decide to go ahead with it, it should be a fun year.

[BisonNeil]

If there is a 7th home game, they most likely would not increase ticket prices for it... That was already done this year even though in years past it was "the price is based on 5 games, six is a bonus." Maybe this year the motto changed to based on 6 games, the 7th is bonus.

I find it hard to believe that the athletic dept can afford to essentially throw in a freebie. 10,000 season ticket holders (including TeamMakers) would be in the area of $150k, what we got to play Ball St and CMU.

Nope, I think we are hitting the road, perhaps for another away-home deal (I would rather it be home-away since two of our deals have not produced a home game yet) or a FBS.

[HooliganBison]

I saw the bill went through on renewing my tickets. Now when do I find out if my request for 2 more seats will be granted.

[BisonNeil]

I saw the bill went through on renewing my tickets. Now when do I find out if my request for 2 more seats will be granted.

I was told in April or May sometime when I asked the same question.

[Bison Dan]

Gene was on WDAY this morning and said they are 600 season ticket holders ahead of last year. Great News!!

[SDbison]

Gene was on WDAY this morning and said they are 600 season ticket holders ahead of last year. Great News!!
What was the actual number of season ticket sales last year? I thought it was somewhere in the 6500 to 7000 range. Does anyone have access to the actual number for 2007? Would nice to see the season ticket numbers grow by 1000 for 2008.

[TheBisonator]

What was the actual number of season ticket sales last year? I thought it was somewhere in the 6500 to 7000 range. Does anyone have access to the actual number for 2007? Would nice to see the season ticket numbers grow by 1000 for 2008.

I heard that it was around 7,000 by early in the season. Meaning we're on pace for at least 7,600 or so right now. Depends on if we get a spike in sales or not.

[SDbison]

I heard that it was around 7,000 by early in the season. Meaning we're on pace for at least 7,600 or so right now. Depends on if we get a spike in sales or not.
Would be nice to see season ticket sales rise to 8000. With 3500 to 4000 student section seats that means only about 7000 seats will be available for single game purchase. Has to be getting to the point where only the sideline extreme upper corners and upper two-thirds of the endzones (outside of student section) will be available for single game purchase.

[BisBison]

Would be nice to see season ticket sales rise to 8000. With 3500 to 4000 student section seats that means only about 7000 seats will be available for single game purchase. Has to be getting to the point where only the sideline extreme upper corners and upper two-thirds of the endzones (outside of student section) will be available for single game purchase.

I'll ask Simmers or Gene today at the Bismarck NDSU coach's social at the Bismarck Elks @ 5:00. (Pretty shameless plug huh :hide: ) Spread the word.:nod: :nod: :D the more the merrier. Appetizers provided in memory of Goofy.

[HooliganBison]

I've asked this once already, but I am REALLY impatient, when do I find out if my request for 2 more adjoining season tickets will be granted.

[TheBisonator]

If we're able to sell a total of 8,000 season tickets, that means there will still be 45,000 single game tickets (7,500 per game) available during the whole season, accounting for a student turnout of 3,800 every game. If we sell 9,000, that drops to 39,000 singles (6,500 per game). 10,000 equals 33,000 singles (5,500 per game). 11,000 equals 27,000 singles (4,500 per game). So as you can see, we have a long ways to go. Our season ticket capacity at the FFD accounting for example, 1,000 available singles per game, is a little over 14,000 (14,487). And we only had half that last season.

So even 10,000 season ticket holders means plenty of game-day singles available. We haven't maxed out the Dome yet.

[tjbison]

I've asked this once already, but I am REALLY impatient, when do I find out if my request for 2 more adjoining season tickets will be granted.



Sometime after April 1st, that was the pre-order deadline, but as stated before I doubt you'll have a problem getting extra seats. If you do Thats a good sign though!

[OldBison]

Sometime after April 1st, that was the pre-order deadline, but as stated before I doubt you'll have a problem getting extra seats. If you do Thats a good sign though!

It depends on what you call a problem. I have already been told that I will have a problem getting two more tickets with my TeamMaker membership and having them next to my current two seats. That is still a problem.

[tjbison]

It depends on what you call a problem. I have already been told that I will have a problem getting two more tickets with my TeamMaker membership and having them next to my current two seats. That is still a problem.

Well then I guess tickets are selling, so as I stated that must be a good sign!!

[SlickVic]

ya i put a request for 3 more seats putting me in the 2k range no garentees prolly wont get them team makers is just ballin right now

[SDbison]

ya i put a request for 3 more seats putting me in the 2k range no garentees prolly wont get them team makers is just ballin right now
Slick, nice action shot of Andre......what team is he on now and how are his stats......is he getting plenty of play time?

[Trim]

It depends on what you call a problem. I have already been told that I will have a problem getting two more tickets with my TeamMaker membership and having them next to my current two seats. That is still a problem.

I have no idea how they work things, but it seems to me that would be extremely hard to do. They'd pretty much have to bump some people out of their seats, right? I suppose there's always a chance of people leaving and those opening up, but that must be very rare. I know I got 4 seats last year, one extra for my newborn son. He never went, but I figured it would be very hard to add a seat for him later without moving to less desireable seats.

[Bisonguy]

It depends on what you call a problem. I have already been told that I will have a problem getting two more tickets with my TeamMaker membership and having them next to my current two seats. That is still a problem.

Yeah, it would be a lot easier if you were willing to move to get four seats in your section or possibly an equivalent section. That's what I've done in the past and always was able to get my seating requests handled.

[bisongirl]

I have no idea how they work things, but it seems to me that would be extremely hard to do. They'd pretty much have to bump some people out of their seats, right? I suppose there's always a chance of people leaving and those opening up, but that must be very rare. I know I got 4 seats last year, one extra for my newborn son. He never went, but I figured it would be very hard to add a seat for him later without moving to less desireable seats.


Trim~
We did the same thing, we had kids that were under 2 and didn't need a ticket but got them one anyway so that we had them in the future.

It's a great thing for NDSU when people are buying seats for their infant, or even unborn, kids!