Next game: IUPUI

[roadwarrior]

The Bison men will face IUPUI thursday night in Indianapolis. The Jaguars were the preseason pick to win the conference. Their games are held in a huge facility in downtown Indianapolis! Capacity is 2000!

George Hill of IUPUI was named Summit League player of the week. He only managed 34 points against UMKC and 30 points against SUU last week.

[TheBisonator]

Two thoughts:

IUPUI's gym is the exact equivalent of most high school gyms in the country. A 120x120 box with a set of 16-row pull-out bleachers on either side. All the schools in the Classic Lake HS conference in the Twin Cities have bigger and nicer gyms. Their gym would be one of the worst in the NSIC. That's how bad their facility is.

We may get beaten bad in this one. IUPUI is currently the Summit's frontronner for the Big Dance, and they have not lost many OOC games. I hope we can keep this one at leats close. IUPUI plays with a big inside presence, and we honestly don't have as big of an inside presence as we did last year with Dre. If we win, I'll be surprised.

[NDSUstudent]

Two thoughts:

IUPUI's gym is the exact equivalent of most high school gyms in the country. A 120x120 box with a set of 16-row pull-out bleachers on either side. All the schools in the Classic Lake HS conference in the Twin Cities have bigger and nicer gyms. Their gym would be one of the worst in the NSIC. That's how bad their facility is.

We may get beaten bad in this one. IUPUI is currently the Summit's frontronner for the Big Dance, and they have not lost many OOC games. I hope we can keep this one at leats close. IUPUI plays with a big inside presence, and we honestly don't have as big of an inside presence as we did last year with Dre. If we win, I'll be surprised.

Get beaten badly? This IUPUI we are talking about not UCLA. They haven't lost many OOC games but they also haven't played very many good OOC teams. Besides beating a very good UMASS team their best win is over #185 Western Michigan by 8 points at home. This should be a close game and one that NDSU needs to win if we have any hopes and dreams of getting a piece of the Summit title this year. I won't predict a win but if we get blown out I'll be suprised. Not even Chicago State got blown out by this team.

[ndsubison1]

Big game for us, this is a must win

[X-Factor]

Just a hunch, but if we can compete with teams like Florida and Cal I'm not to worried about getting blown out by IUPUI. However, getting a win out of the deal isn't going to be easy. They are good.

What the Bison have a hard time matching up with is a dominating inside presence. IUPUI's "big men" are 6'7". They have a 7 footer, but he averages 8 minutes a game and really only plays in blowout wins so I'm guessing he is a non-factor for the most part.

[NDSUstudent]

Stumbled onto this chat on ESPN.com with Kyle Whelliston(Mid-Major hoops expert) and I asked for his take on the game tomorrow.....


Josh (Fargo, ND): Being new to the Summit League and not knowing much about IUPUI what is your take on the NDSU at IUPUI matchup tomorrow night?

Kyle Whelliston: (4:56 PM ET ) We had an IUPUI day here at .Com yesterday, both Katz and I blogged on them. They're incredibly good shooters, although they may be suspect against good speed, which your Bison are capable of. I'm expecting a real 80's or 90's shootout tomorrow.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=18752

[ndsubison1]

The Jags are tough, they lost to Marquette by 8 and beat UMass

[NDSUstudent]

The Jags are tough, they lost to Marquette by 8 and beat UMass

They are tough and I'm sure playing in that tiny gym won't exactly be easy. Saul has said a few times that we need to take this one to be the team we want to be. Should be close if the team plays a good game, could be a real barn burner to listen to.

[Bisonguy]

They are tough and I'm sure playing in that tiny gym won't exactly be easy. Saul has said a few times that we need to take this one to be the team we want to be. Should be close if the team plays a good game, could be a real barn burner to listen to.

Saul was at Pizza Hut today, carbing up for the game, no doubt.

[roadwarrior]

Probably getting ready for the plane and bus trip. They are flying to Chicago, getting a bus to Indy, then driving to WIU on friday, then back to Chicago to fly back home. They are trying to eliminate a lot of wasted time in airports. With the direct flights to and from Chicago, it makes it much easier.

[NDSUstudent]

Just reminder that tipoff for the game is 14 minutes away.....

[NDSUstudent]

Scotty Miller estimates maybe 115 people in the stands right now.

[NDSUstudent]

Bison lose the tip...

IUPUI connects with a 15 foot jumper.....0-2

[NDSUstudent]

Nelly answers with 2

2-2

[NDSUstudent]

Woody for THREEEEEE

5-2 Bison

IUPUI Answers...

5-5

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI to the line...

1st is.....good

2nd is....good

5-7

[NDSUstudent]

Nelly nails a 12 foot jumper

7-7 Media Timeout after a IUPUI missed three over the backboard.

[NDSUstudent]

Nelly fouls IUPUI's bigtime star gaurd George Hill...

1st is....good
2nd is....good

7-9 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Woodside with the fadeaway..

9-9 14 minutes to go.

[NDSUstudent]

Hill lays it in for 2...

9-11 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI taps it in for two

9-13

[NDSUstudent]

Tveidt with the wide open jumper

11-13

Hill answers with a quick lay-up

11-15


Turnover Bison...Media Timeout

[NDSUstudent]

Nelly scores with the shot clock at 0

13-15 IUPUI 10:25 to play

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI with another driving layup

13-17

[NDSUstudent]

Action just picked up quite a bit, lots of turnovers for both teams....Woody at the line..

1st is...off
2nd is...good

14-17

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI with the dipsy-do reverse lay-up

14-19 IUPUI

winks with the finger rollll

16-19

[westriver bison]

Thanks for the updates. Sitting here at work and neither Summit TV nor Bison radio is working for me.

[NDSUstudent]

Winks picks up his 2nd foul and IUPUI turns it over...

Media Timeout.... 16-19 7:43 to play

[NDSUstudent]

Bison throw it away, IUPUI has a break away but Vaughan denies the lay-up with a foul..

1st is....off
2nd is...good

16-20 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Jump ball to IUPUI

Bison shooting 41% and the IUPUI press is giving them some troubles....

Woody with a 15 foot jumper

18-20
IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Moorman ties it up with a lay-up!!

20-20

[NDSUstudent]

Hill drives, misses but is fouled on the put back attempt by Luc

1st is....off
2nd is....good

20-21 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Sussenguth lays it in for two and is fouled!!!!

free throw is.....good

23-21 Bison

IUPUI travels and its time for the under 4 minute media timeout.

[westriver bison]

Points from the post. That's a welcome addition.:)

[sambini]

Lets Go Bison++++++++

[NDSUstudent]

Thanks for the updates. Sitting here at work and neither Summit TV nor Bison radio is working for me.

I feel your pain, during the Cal game nothing worked and I was stuck out in Rochester. So I'm glad to give updates when I can.

[NDSUstudent]

Bison turnover...IUPUI puts up a brick


Over the back on Sussenguth, 6th foul on the Herd.

[NDSUstudent]

Hill with an "NBA" type play for 2

23-23

Lucas fouled and is at the line...

1st is...too strong

2nd is...good

24-23

2:11 to play

[NDSUstudent]

Hill for two again...

24-25 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI for three

24-28 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Bison turnover...52 seconds to play in the half

IUPUI travels...36 seconds to play

Timeout NDSU

[lakesbison]

They Doin Box And 1 On Woody Huh . .dam. . . We Doin Great, Wish We Could Hold That Lead ! . . . Lets Do This

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI fouls Josh Vaughn..shot clock off

[d3boys]

hill sounds like a stud, cant wait to see him in fargo

[d3boys]

bad turnover at the end of the half, luke should not be dribbling

[NDSUstudent]

Woody misses a three...Nelly boards but Moorman turns it over...5 seconds left.

Woody steals it and dribbles out the remaining seconds..

24-28 at the half.

[d3boys]

very low scoring game, is that the way ooey-pooey usually plays

[NDSUstudent]

Bison playing a little sloppy and both teams are cold. Winks picking up his 2nd foul hurt. All in all, not a bad half of basketball but the Bison will need to clean up things up to get the win.

[NDSUstudent]

very low scoring game, is that the way ooey-pooey usually plays

Not sure, they did put up 89 on UMASS but they seem to be all over the place when it comes to scoring.

[Herd]

Bison look slow, and making lots of dumb passes. On the summit pass, the court looks small and conjested. Not a very inspired 1st half. Got to get Winks going.

[NDSUstudent]

Nelly travels...

Hill nails the jumper

24-30

[NDSUstudent]

Winks fouled going for the slam dunk..

1st is....off
2nd is...good

25-30 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Woody for THREEEEEEEEE

28-30 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI for three

28-33 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Nelly lays it in for 2 in transition

30-33 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Moorman with the offensive foul..Under 16 media timeout.

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI drives and Tveidt fouls...

1st is...good
2nd is...good

30--35

[NDSUstudent]

Woody with the floater...

32-35 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Hill with the pull up J

32-37 IUPUI


Timeout IUPUI

[TheBisonator]

Is there online audio anywhere??

[NDSUstudent]

Tvied called on a questionable player control foul, he has 2

Hill for 2

32-39

[Ivy]

Is there online audio anywhere??

Yes, GoBison.com. Free. Go to the Multimedia --> Live Events

[NDSUstudent]

Woody run over by an IUPUI player, he is limping noticably and is headed to the bench.

[NDSUstudent]

Winks is fouled, Woody is back in the game!

Jump ball to IUPUI

[TheBisonator]

Yes, GoBison.com. Free. Go to the Multimedia --> Live Events

Thanks. There wasn't an audio link on the basketball schedule.

[NDSUstudent]

Hill again for 2

32-41 IUPUI

11:39 media timeout

[silkamilkamonico]

Ouch we are getting manhandled by their defense.

We can't even get a clean shot off.

[TheBisonator]

Hill again for 2

32-41 IUPUI

You're about 20 seconds ahead of me. :(

[lakesbison]

Yikes Stop Da Run. . Dam! 0 And 3 Vs Top 3 In Summit Would Suck! !

[NDSUstudent]

Bison are getting destroyed by the IUPUI defense

[NDSUstudent]

Hill to the line...

1st is....good
2nd is....good

32-43 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

Winks is fouled and will head to the line...

IUPUI's Conner picks up his 4th

1st is....good
2nd is....good

34-43 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI for three

34-46 IUPUI

[NDSUstudent]

:smh: :smh: :smh: Another IUPUI three

34-49

9:21 to go

[TheBisonator]

What did I freakin tell you guys?? I didn't think we had a chance against these guys. Not on the road. Probably at home, but not on the road.

[NDSUstudent]

Nelly for two

36-49

[TheBisonator]

Scott Miller says the capacity of their gym is 1,215.

My old HS has a bigger gym.

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI with the jam, all of the 600 fans in attendance are in a frenzy

Nelly for 2

38-51

[NDSUstudent]

Bison commit their 18th turnover :smh:

Under 8 minute media timeout.

[NDSUstudent]

19th turnover....

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI lays it in

38-53

[NDSUstudent]

Bison finally score....

40-55 3:41 to play

[d3boys]

i dont like the idea that another team is having fun at our expense - per scott miller

[Ivy]

Geez. Scoring in the 40's with about 4 minutes to go....aren't we usually scoring up in the 80's?

[d3boys]

30 points below our scoring average, probably will not win many games

[NDSUstudent]

30 points below our scoring average, probably will not win many games

21 turnovers won't help either....

[d3boys]

21 turnovers and 2-14 from three my oh my

[NDSUstudent]

Woody for Three

43-57 IUPUI

[TheBisonator]

IUPUI wouldn't even shell out money to paint a Summit League logo on their floor. LOL

[NDSUstudent]

Vaughan for three.

46-59

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI wouldn't even shell out money to paint a Summit League logo on their floor. LOL

It makes me wonder how do they get these players, they must have a hell of a coach.

[NDSUstudent]

46-60 is your final.

Bison offense was completely dominated in the game, Bison go to 8-8 and 2-7 on the road.

[fargocyclone]

46-60 is your final.

Bison offense was completely dominated in the game, Bison go to 8-8 and 2-7 on the road.
2-3 in Summit play

[TheBisonator]

IUPUI is my pick to win the Summit tourney this year. I would even pick them against their 1st round opponent as a 13th or 14th seed.

Look for Joe Lunardi to replace Oral Roberts with IUPUI in his next Bracketology. Probably as a 13 seed.

[heymch86]

damn. really makes that oakland loss on saturday that much more tough. really could have used pennick tonight and his defense

[d3boys]

It makes me wonder how do they get these players, they must have a hell of a coach.

a good coach and also location is right in the middle of basketball country, plenty of talent to go around, they probably line up behind indiana, purdue and pick up some overlooked players. maybe saul should head down there in the offseason and pick up a couple of players like hill

[NDSUstudent]

a good coach and also location is right in the middle of basketball country, plenty of talent to go around, they probably line up behind indiana, purdue and pick up some overlooked players. maybe saul should head down there in the offseason and pick up a couple of players like hill

Good points, Saul should definately look into it.

[NDSUstudent]

IUPUI is my pick to win the Summit tourney this year. I would even pick them against their 1st round opponent as a 13th or 14th seed.

Look for Joe Lunardi to replace Oral Roberts with IUPUI in his next Bracketology. Probably as a 13 seed.

I don't know If I'd go that far, ORU also handled us defensively and beat the crap out of Oklahoma State on national tv. They'll be Lunardi's pick until they fall, their RPI is 62.

[X-Factor]

I would even pick them against their 1st round opponent as a 13th or 14th seed.

Look for Joe Lunardi to replace Oral Roberts with IUPUI in his next Bracketology. Probably as a 13 seed.


Oh come on now, get real. We are mid-season and wont even have a sniff at the brackets for another month and a half.

[TheBisonator]

Oh come on now, get real. We are mid-season and wont even have a sniff at the brackets for another month and a half.

Hey, that's just what I think. IUPUI gave us our biggest beating so far in-conference. Scott Miller said they were the #2 FT shooting team in the country, and #7 in the nation defending the three ball. I would pick them to win the conference out of Oakland, IUPUI, ORU.

[NDSUFREAK]

where are these wins?

[IndyBison]

a good coach and also location is right in the middle of basketball country, plenty of talent to go around, they probably line up behind indiana, purdue and pick up some overlooked players. maybe saul should head down there in the offseason and pick up a couple of players like hill
They are also behind Notre Dame, Butler and Ball State. They do a good job identifying the local kids who aren't getting looks from the big schools for some reason. Ron Hunter is an awesome coach who everyone thought would be gone by now. He took the team to the NCAA tournament in their first year of eligibility (2003) and everyone thought he would be gone then. I think it would be great if Saul could find some players down here. The benefit of joining the Summit is the Bison will be playing several places with a lot of talent (Indy, Detroit, Kansas City, Illinois). That is much better than what they would have found in the Big Sky. We'll see if it pays off!

[roadwarrior]

IUPUI wouldn't even shell out money to paint a Summit League logo on their floor. LOL

There were two Summit League logos on the floor. They didn't however have the money to sand off the two Mid-Con logos. They just covered most of them with something??

As for the game: UGLY, real UGLY.

My estimate is about 30-40 Bison fans at the game.

[TheBisonator]

There were two Summit League logos on the floor. They didn't however have the money to sand off the two Mid-Con logos. They just covered most of them with something??

As for the game: UGLY, real UGLY.

My estimate is about 30-40 Bison fans at the game.

That's a good road crowd for being 800+ miles away!! There must be a few NDSU alums in Indianapolis.

[BisonBlogger]

We were not ready for their match-up zone. Did not see the traps coming soon enough, picked up dribble in the corners and just plain were not good at flashing to the ball or the open areas soon enough to pass out the traps.

The match-up is very difficult when you face the kind of athletes IUPUI has. Anytime the ball goes to the floor you can expect a trap. It takes quick ball movement. If there is a double team someone is open. We need to get better at this as we will see more and more zone if we continue show a weakness against it.

Going 4 for 17 from three didn't help either.

[roadwarrior]

Did we have more points or turnovers in the 2nd half?

[SirHinn]

Did we have more points or turnovers in the 2nd half?

You know your team really struggled when you actually have to look up that stat because you don't know and there is a chance there could have been more turnovers.

[d3boys]

They are also behind Notre Dame, Butler and Ball State. They do a good job identifying the local kids who aren't getting looks from the big schools for some reason. Ron Hunter is an awesome coach who everyone thought would be gone by now. He took the team to the NCAA tournament in their first year of eligibility (2003) and everyone thought he would be gone then. I think it would be great if Saul could find some players down here. The benefit of joining the Summit is the Bison will be playing several places with a lot of talent (Indy, Detroit, Kansas City, Illinois). That is much better than what they would have found in the Big Sky. We'll see if it pays off!

I agree with you on the benefit of being in the summit compared to the big sky.
I definitely think it will pay off, more places to find overlooked kids in big cities
diamonds in the rough you say

[IndyBison]

That's a good road crowd for being 800+ miles away!! There must be a few NDSU alums in Indianapolis.

We've had as many as 60 or 70 at Bison-Sioux satellite games. Most of them come to Indy to work for Lilly (drug company known for Prozac and Cialis) or Dow Agrosciences (farm chemicals). I think the official list is around 100 alums within a 100 mile radius. I know there were some family members in attendance as well. I thought it was a nice showing.

[roadwarrior]

Its pretty obvious the IUPUI coach saw our game against the Gophers. Pressure defense and trapping all night long forced an unbelievable number of turnovers.

[heckler]

Its pretty obvious the IUPUI coach saw our game against the Gophers. Pressure defense and trapping all night long forced an unbelievable number of turnovers.

We got out coached, and out played, and out ... pretty much everything...

[IndyBison]

I took some photos at the IUPUI game although most did not turn out well. We have a nice SLR digital camera and I'm still learning how to use it in certain settings. There were a few worth publishing so I posted them online. Check them out here (http://www.fedjefamily.net/iupui_ndsu.html)

[Bisonguy]

I took some photos at the IUPUI game although most did not turn out well. We have a nice SLR digital camera and I'm still learning how to use it in certain settings. There were a few worth publishing so I posted them online. Check them out here (http://www.fedjefamily.net/iupui_ndsu.html)

Thanks for sharing the photos with us!!

[02Bison]

Thanks for sharing the photos with us!!

Big surprise...looks like Road was there...

[fargocyclone]

I took some photos at the IUPUI game although most did not turn out well. We have a nice SLR digital camera and I'm still learning how to use it in certain settings. There were a few worth publishing so I posted them online. Check them out here (http://www.fedjefamily.net/iupui_ndsu.html)

Wow, that was the first time I've seen that gym. I understand the high school comments now! :smh:

[IndyBison]

Wow, that was the first time I've seen that gym. I understand the high school comments now! :smh:
It's definitely smaller than most high school gyms around here in the Hoosier Hysteria state. They don't get a lot of pub around here although their scores at least usually get mentioned. The program is respected but it's far from the top game in town. With IU in the top 10 (Bloomington is only an hour away), Butler in the top 15 (campus is about 10 minutes north of downtown), and Purdue off to a good start in the Big 10, they have a lot of competition. Not to mention all the professional sports, racing, and HS basketball fanatacism, they are just another team. That's definitely different than Fargo where NDSU is the primary game in town. Not bad, just different.

[Bison"FANatic"]

We've had as many as 60 or 70 at Bison-Sioux satellite games. Most of them come to Indy to work for Lilly (drug company known for Prozac and Cialis) or Dow Agrosciences (farm chemicals). I think the official list is around 100 alums within a 100 mile radius. I know there were some family members in attendance as well. I thought it was a nice showing.

Thats the great part of D1 our Alum get a chance to see the teams play, not just the alums in the upper midwest!!!! Travel is tough but overall it should be great for exposure for the university.

[IndyBison]

Thats the great part of D1 our Alum get a chance to see the teams play, not just the alums in the upper midwest!!!! Travel is tough but overall it should be great for exposure for the university.
For very personal, selfish reasons I was glad we ended up with the Summit/Gateway rather than Big Sky. I would even benefit from the Missouri Valley or MAC if we eventually move up to that level.

One of the reasons I enjoy living in Indianapolis is access to sporting events. In addition to all the great sports here in Central Indiana, I'm also within 4 hours of Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Louisville, St. Louis, Chicago, and Milwaukee (and all the college towns in between them). Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Nashville are only 5 or 6 hours.

The better weather is also nice (I apologized to Leo Ringey when he was here last week that we were in the upper 40s). It's not the balmy south but 30s and 40s are much better than single digits and below zero.

[roadwarrior]

Indy, some of the Gateway road games are within easy driving distance from Indianapolis, so I hope we see good representation at future games! Hopefully most of those 60-70 party attendees will think the same way too.

[UTH]

For very personal, selfish reasons I was glad we ended up with the Summit/Gateway rather than Big Sky. I would even benefit from the Missouri Valley or MAC if we eventually move up to that level.

One of the reasons I enjoy living in Indianapolis is access to sporting events. In addition to all the great sports here in Central Indiana, I'm also within 4 hours of Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Louisville, St. Louis, Chicago, and Milwaukee (and all the college towns in between them). Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Nashville are only 5 or 6 hours.

The better weather is also nice (I apologized to Leo Ringey when he was here last week that we were in the upper 40s). It's not the balmy south but 30s and 40s are much better than single digits and below zero.


Tell the truth, now. How 'bout summertime? I'll help you out... it involves three digits fahrenheit with about 115 to 125 percent humidity.;)

I otherwise agree with you about Indianapolis - awesome place in an awesome location!

*last summer saw reds, then white sox play - witnessed 3 grand slams between those 2 games

[IndyBison]

Indy, some of the Gateway road games are within easy driving distance from Indianapolis, so I hope we see good representation at future games! Hopefully most of those 60-70 party attendees will think the same way too.
They used to come from as far away as Michigan, Chicago, Peoria, and Cincinnati. Two things have caused a reduction though:

No UND game - some of the folks were UND alums
Satellite issues - the satellite technology the TV stations in ND were using was antequated and most bars didn't carry them any longer or weren't subscribed to the right channels...this led to many games where we had picture but not sounds, sound but no picture, no first half as we tried to find the signal or no game at all; people got tired of trying but getting no game; even this year with the game on FoxSports North was a challenge because it wasn't a channel carried by local satellite providers. I had to find a bar that had digital cable rather than a satellite...there aren't many.

I will definitely try to make at least one of the Gateway games each year. I officiate high school football so my Friday nights are booked. Depending on game time it may be difficult to get somewhere early Saturday afternoon.

[IndyBison]

Tell the truth, now. How 'bout summertime? I'll help you out... it involves three digits fahrenheit with about 115 to 125 percent humidity.;)

I otherwise agree with you about Indianapolis - awesome place in an awesome location!

*last summer saw reds, then white sox play - witnessed 3 grand slams between those 2 games
Actually there is an odd summer anomaly here. In the 14 years I've lived here, it has never been higher than 96 degrees. It's almost like there's an invisible ceiling and then it stops. We get our share of 90+ and high humidity though. You are right about that. I can take that over 10 degrees though. It's great for the lake or a pool. Plus I work for an air conditioning manufacturer so the hotter the better.

I did a Jay Buckley (http://www.jaybuckley.com) baseball tour last summer and saw 7 games in 10 days - Mets, Yankees, Red Sox, Pirates, Tigers, and Cubs plus 1 minor league game on Staten Island. Also saw Ripken/Gwynn HOF induction. Awesome experience and I highly recommend it! We almost saw A-Rod's 500th HR but he went 0for5 on a night when the Yankees scored 16 runs and hit a club record 8 HR. We did see Glavine's 300th win though at Wrigley.