Gdt: Oru

[onbison09]

We need to fire up tonight. First conference game. Down 3-2. Let's go HERD!!!

[ndsubison1]

we cant just settle for long 2 pt. jumpers. slow start...

[onbison09]

Herd down 8-2 at first media timeout. Some turnovers and not smart basketball.

[ndsubison1]

too many bad shots. they need to play with some fire!

[NWNDBison]

12-6 Golden Eagles

[onbison09]

Penick has 3 fouls. This definitely isn't looking good.

[NWNDBison]

well, we did get a 3. Unfortunately, so did they.

16-9 ORU

[onbison09]

How's the game looking on video? Are these guys just faster than us? Better than us? Gotta think our shooting will improve.

[ndsubison1]

why didnt he take pennick out after the 2nd foul, with the way this is going so far they need to try and draw some fouls and convert at the line

[NWNDBison]

Nelson gets a couple free throws.

Within 5, haven't seen that for a while.

[onbison09]

King is dominating right now.

[onbison09]

ORU TO after some aggressive D. That's what we need.

[silkamilkamonico]

They're doing to us defensively what Gophers did.

We're struggling to even get shots.

I'm really starting to get concerned with this team.

[onbison09]

We couldn't hit the broad side of a barn right now.

[onbison09]

Also being too aggressive right now. 23-13 Ouch.

[onbison09]

13-26 Bison TO.

[NDSUstudent]

13-26 ORU

Not good so far.

[onbison09]

They can't shoot this good all game can they?

[SDbison]

Only question left now is do the Bison lose by 20, 30 or 40 tonight?

[NDSUstudent]

Vaughan for THREEEEEE 16-26 ORU

[SDbison]

They can't shoot this good all game can they?
Gophers did.

[NDSUstudent]

Woody shot made and 1

19-26

[onbison09]

Woody has to start taking over.

[onbison09]

A common theme this year is way too many fouls. Especially early.

[silkamilkamonico]

Was Dre the only player we lost from last year?

[onbison09]

Was Dre the only player we lost from last year?
I have asked myself that many times. How can we be letting teams shoot this good on us?

[onbison09]

How can we be shooting this bad?

[Tatanka]

Bison down 11 with 2 minutes or so to go in the half. digging quite a hole.

[NDSUstudent]

Was Dre the only player we lost from last year?

Zo is out as well(1 more game). Miles said on KFAN it wasn't so much the Bison missing him but instead Dre and Zo.

[SDbison]

Bison turnover issues too........not to mention opposing teams are getting too many open 3's and kicking butt.

[silkamilkamonico]

I'm probably going to get bashed on for this, but after watching the Gopher game, and then this game so far, I'm seeing something with Woodside that kind of irritates me.

Every time he makes a mistake, or turns the ball over, he stops what he's doing and he puts his head down for a second. I saw him do it against the Gophers a few times when he made bad passes or had the ball stolen from him, and he's done it a couple times tonight.

I love the guy, but I wish he would quit doing that.

[onbison09]

Has ORU missed a 3 pointer?

[heckler]

D-up boys!!

[onbison09]

Down by 11 at the half. Can we do this??

[NDSUstudent]

At the half...

NDSU 24 ORU 35

Player-Points-Fouls
Winks-6-1
Nelson-6-1
Woodside-3-1
Vaughan-3-1
Sammy-2-1
Tveidt-2-2
Moorman-2-0
Pennick-0-2

[silkamilkamonico]

Down by 11 at the half. Can we do this??

If we can find some offense yes. Weren't we down by 18 or so to Florida at half and then cut it to 10 with 12 minutes left or something like that?

[SDbison]

Do the Bison play D against 3 point shots????????

Bison 31% shooting in the 1st half.........

[heckler]

Maybe the middle is so open that we are trying to stuff middle so all they have to do is kick out and shoot.

[onbison09]

Penick only has 2 fouls. Some good news there.

[WYOBISONMAN]

The Bison are playing a horribly flat and uninspired game. The lack of a quality big man is also painfully evident. This and the MN game have been horribly sorry outings and Saul needs to get the Herd to turn it up a few notches, or it could be a long season. I am not liking this play at all.

[heckler]

We need to come out strong here.

[onbison09]

Here we go. Need to start fast.

[onbison09]

Seems like we can't make some easy shots. Someone needs to take control of this game.

[ndsubison1]

Penick only has 2 fouls. Some good news there.

Pennick has 3 fouls

[heckler]

Think I just heard:

28% shooting percentage for Bison
55% ORU

[silkamilkamonico]

The Bison are playing a horribly flat and uninspired game. The lack of a quality big man is also painfully evident. This and the MN game have been horribly sorry outings and Saul needs to get the Herd to turn it up a few notches, or it could be a long season. I am not liking this play at all.

I agree. They aren't even fun to watch.

We have no answer for their big men so we're forced to double team, which has been freeing up the 3 point shooters and they have been hitting.

[HoopsBison]

this game is not over yet people, the Bison are playing good def they can just score will be good.

[ndsubison1]

they're not going to win with all of these mistakes

[heckler]

Wow... I remember the begining of the year everyone was talking about the NIT now we are talking about going 50-50.

[SDbison]

Bison still shooting about 32%........that won't win very many games!

[HoopsBison]

I think its time to stop predicting anything and just take it game by game.

[MN_BISON]

Does anyone have a score and time remaining?

[HoopsBison]

51-41 6:30 left

[HoopsBison]

Nelson Moorman and Winks have all played very well, Woodside has struggled tonight, only has 6 points.

[HoopsBison]

geez another 3 57-43 bad guys

[ndsubison1]

are we going to guard them anytime soon on the 3 point line or havent we noticed they can make 3's yet?

[SDbison]

are we going to guard them anytime soon on the 3 point line or havent we noticed they can make 3's yet?
Uncontested 3's are killing the Bison.

[NWNDBison]

62-49 Golden Eagles
2:33 to go

[silkamilkamonico]

are we going to guard them anytime soon on the 3 point line or havent we noticed they can make 3's yet?

Not much we can do about it.

We start guarding the 3 and they eat us up inside because they're so much bigger. I think Coach is just trying to take away the high % shot.

[NWNDBison]

62-52 2:23 to go.

"The Bison will not go quietly into that good night," says the announcer.

[heckler]

I would give up 2 rather than 3 any day.

[silkamilkamonico]

I would give up 2 rather than 3 any day.

What if the average of the 2 is 65% and the average of the 3 is 33%?

[heckler]

3's pile up fast but 3's also kill the other team's momentum.

[WYOBISONMAN]

Saul needs to find the cure for this flat playing and needs to get some inside play and rebounding. It is hard to believe that the loss of one player from last year to this year (Andre) has taken a fantastic and explosive team and turned it into this. The Coaches got to inpisire these guys!!!! I am not a happy Bison Fan tonight.

[silkamilkamonico]

Here's an honest question.

Who are our legit D1 players, and who are our fill in's?

I'm just curious because I don't have a clue on what makes a legit player at the D1 level.

[NWNDBison]

69-57 ORU Final.

Good try guys. Find your offense.

[silkamilkamonico]

Saul needs to find the cure for this flat playing and needs to get some inside play and rebounding. It is hard to believe that the loss of one player from last year to this year (Andre) has taken a fantastic and explosive team and turned it into this.

I was really wondering about this too.

I know Riley will be a big help when he's ready to play, but I honestly thought there was more to our team then just those 3 players.

[heckler]

Wow... if one player made that much of a difference we are going to be in really big trouble. Maybe some of this is on the coach.

[heckler]

What if the average of the 2 is 65% and the average of the 3 is 33%?

No but when they are 11 for 20 on 3's that's a big problem.

[X-Factor]

Wow... if one player made that much of a difference we are going to be in really big trouble. Maybe some of this is on the coach.


I don't know any other explanation. I hate to go there this early but wow, this team is nowhere near what we had last year. Even with Dre on the bench the team was still pretty good. Woodside 6 points....2 for 10???

Someone light the match....and do it SOON!!!

[NDSUstudent]

No but when they are 11 for 20 on 3's that's a big problem.

Stat of the night right there, yuck. About the only positive from this game was rebounding.

[bisonpride2k]

Here's an honest question.

Who are our legit D1 players, and who are our fill in's?

I'm just curious because I don't have a clue on what makes a legit player at the D1 level.

D1 starters
Woodside
Nelson
Winks

D1 reserves
Moorman
Tveidt (starter after experience)
Zo

Everyone else is DII. Compare the athleticism and the skill level of some of the best players you have seen play at the BSA in the NCC. They fit that slightly above average category but below the top players.

Vaughn- speed of the game is too much for him. It shows in his in game shooting precentage.
Freddie- may be too early to tell but i can see him being a solid guard at that level but not DI. (You rather have Ben Nemmers or Jason Retzlaff in this situation or Freddie?)
Susenguth- He is a DII post player. Think of all the NCC big men that would have eaten him alive.

Dan Coleman??? Havent seen him yet so cant make a judgement. Supposedly he is legit. His HS numbers for the metro sure seem to indicate that.

[99Bison]

D1 starters
Woodside
Nelson
Winks

D1 reserves
Moorman
Tveidt (starter after experience)
Zo

Everyone else is DII. Compare the athleticism and the skill level of some of the best players you have seen play at the BSA in the NCC. They fit that slightly above average category but below the top players.

Vaughn- speed of the game is too much for him. It shows in his in game shooting precentage.
Freddie- may be too early to tell but i can see him being a solid guard at that level but not DI. (You rather have Ben Nemmers or Jason Retzlaff in this situation or Freddie?)
Susenguth- He is a DII post player. Think of all the NCC big men that would have eaten him alive.

Dan Coleman??? Havent seen him yet so cant make a judgement. Supposedly he is legit. His HS numbers for the metro sure seem to indicate that.

Not real sure about quantifying players this way given so much depends on sitution but...

IMHO

DI:
Woodside
Nelson
Winks

DI reserves:
Zo
Moorman (Prior to last years injury, really struggling now though)
Tveidt (TBD)
Pennick (At best)
Freddie Coleman (I would much rather have him than either guys mentioned by bisonpride2k, please not Nemmers, ah nightmares)
Sussenguth (Playing with last years promise, really struggling now)

Eh.
Vaughan (Had high hopes for him)

Not sure why we mention Eric Carlson, but he is red shirting and in watching the pre season games he was the real deal.

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However, you notice that most good teams we are playing go 9-10 guys deep. On an outstanding night we are only 6-7 deep, which is no different than the last couple years. On an average night we are about 3-4 deep.

The more you look at it, this years early "struggles" really have to do with Mooreman not doing well, the loss of Dre, both of course were the anchor to the middle (Two years back we even had another serviceable big man). And no one beyond the big 3 stepping it up in the middle especially where we are hurting the most.