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Bison bison
10-10-2007, 04:51 PM
http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=180496&section=sports

aces1180
10-10-2007, 05:01 PM
http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=180496&section=sports

Here's the Star Tribune link -

http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1475545.html

WYOBISONMAN
10-10-2007, 05:03 PM
That stuff is funny as hell!

Bison bison
10-10-2007, 05:58 PM
i wonder if ndsu would ever enact such a policy........

aces1180
10-10-2007, 06:01 PM
i wonder if ndsu would ever enact such a policy........

All NDSU would need is a resolution from student government to get the ball rolling...

Bison bison
10-10-2007, 06:08 PM
or the university senate.

it's almost sad that a ndsu doesn't have at least one person to bring it up....

NDSUstudent
10-10-2007, 06:14 PM
i wonder if ndsu would ever enact such a policy........

Never, our Admin has handled UND's nickname issue perfectly by just staying out of it.

Bison Dan
10-10-2007, 06:33 PM
Never, our Admin has handled UND's nickname issue perfectly by just staying out of it.

Agree - there's no upside in doing anything.

Hammersmith
10-10-2007, 08:33 PM
The current SBoHE policy is to support the nickname. We really don't need to look like we're undercutting them with everything else that's happened with them over the past few years. Also, many of us still feel some resentment towards UND over the whole NDAC/NDSU thing, and that was almost 50 years ago. NDSU officials don't need to poison the next 50 years of relations for a minor jab at their expense. Officially, NDSU must remain completely neutral. It would be best if that includes student government.

56BISON73
10-10-2007, 09:05 PM
Obviously MN policy is hypocritical. They wont play UND in any sports except for hockey. If they Truely believed in the BS they are shoveling they wouldnt play them in hockey either. PL

Hammersmith
10-10-2007, 09:15 PM
Obviously MN policy is hypocritical. They wont play UND in any sports except for hockey. If they Truely believed in the BS they are shoveling they wouldnt play them in hockey either. PL

They don't have a choice. They are contractually obligated to play teams in their own conference. The only things they could do would be to force UND out of the WCHA or leave themselves. Neither is going to happen.

bisonmike2
10-10-2007, 09:21 PM
there's no need for us to pile on at this point. any similiar policy enacted and enforced by NDSU would look petty and spiteful. But if they were smart they seriously need examine the possibility of changing names. It's only going to get worse.

56BISON73
10-10-2007, 09:52 PM
They don't have a choice. They are contractually obligated to play teams in their own conference. The only things they could do would be to force UND out of the WCHA or leave themselves. Neither is going to happen.

If that was the case they should have stated it as so. You would have thought that if they REALLY didnt like the symbol-nickname they would have made a point of that fact.
All they said was it was a that a rivalry already existed.
But its really nothing more than a PC move-statement. PL

roadwarrior
10-10-2007, 10:08 PM
They have stated before that hockey will continue because of the conference membership.

bincitysioux
10-10-2007, 11:25 PM
It certainly is a puzzling policy from my perspective, at least in the manner in which they apply it.

From the article: (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=180496&section=sports)


The 2003 policy discourages Minnesota's school's athletics department from competing against all teams with American Indian mascots and nicknames.

Very interesting considering they have the Central Michigan "Chippewas" and the Florida State "Seminoles" on their men's basketball schedule (http://www.gophersports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&KEY=&SPID=3302&SPSID=38663) this season.

56BISON73
10-10-2007, 11:41 PM
It certainly is a puzzling policy from my perspective, at least in the manner in which they apply it.

From the article: (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=180496&section=sports)



Very interesting considering they have the Central Michigan "Chippewas" and the Florida State "Seminoles" on their men's basketball schedule (http://www.gophersports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&KEY=&SPID=3302&SPSID=38663) this season.



The operative word here is "discourages".

But as far as the noles and chips are concerned those schools have the permission from those tribes. So they get a waiver. Another hypocritical example of the NCAA PC blunder. PL

Hammersmith
10-10-2007, 11:42 PM
It certainly is a puzzling policy from my perspective, at least in the manner in which they apply it.

From the article: (http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=180496&section=sports)



Very interesting considering they have the Central Michigan "Chippewas" and the Florida State "Seminoles" on their men's basketball schedule (http://www.gophersports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&KEY=&SPID=3302&SPSID=38663) this season.



Didn't they update the 2003 policy to match the NCAA list? I thought I remembered reading that when it came up about a year ago.

bincitysioux
10-11-2007, 12:04 AM
Don't know if they updated the policy or not, but it is irrelevant. The article also said the outcome of the lawsuit wouldn't play a factor in their decision. I take that to mean that if a judge says the NCAA overstepped its bounds in applying their policy, UMTC will still have a problem with UND, but apparently not other schools. If UND and the NCAA settle out of court, UMTC will apparently still have a problem with UND but not other schools. Hartman said they wanted to stay out of a controversy, but they are instead thrusting themselves into the center of it.

Bison bison
10-11-2007, 12:18 AM
there's no need for us to pile on at this point. any similiar policy enacted and enforced by NDSU would look petty and spiteful. But if they were smart they seriously need examine the possibility of changing names. It's only going to get worse.

that's why it would have to come from someone who (1) sincerely believes that the use of native american monikers is inappropriate, (2) doesn't care about or better yet has serious disdain for university athletics, and (3-optional) has nothing better to do

most of america's most prestigious universities have hundreds of faculty who fit all three.....

bison once
10-11-2007, 03:43 AM
From the Forum article it stated there were 20 teams with Indian mascots. All teams either changed name or made nice with tribe. I would guess that means a nice charitable donation was made by those who were able to keep their name. A couple of weeks ago there was an article stating that the school up north has incurred around $873,000 +/- in legal fees. This raises the question: what if they had offered up a cool million to the tribes that had a problem a few years back? They may not be dealing with this problem today. Instead, they could end up spending a mill and not keep name.

tony
10-11-2007, 08:35 AM
History has shown that UND will gleefully demonize NDSU to deflect blame from themselves over their nickname; therefore, NDSU has more reason than any other school for avoiding UND over this issue. Maybe the U of M has similar worries.

Of course, I doubt that anybody at NDSU would make a policy like the UofM's. However, the nickname angle should be considered before scheduling UND. For example, I think that any contract should stipulate that if NDSU gets any bad press connected to UND's nickname, UND's President and/or AD should be obligated to defend NDSU, publicly and vigorously.

Bison bison
10-11-2007, 12:36 PM
UND's President and/or AD should be obligated to defend NDSU, publicly and vigorously.

yeah, like that'd ever happen.


i think that such a policy at ndsu is certainly possible. remember policies at the U, Iowa, and Wisconsin have come from students, faculty, and staff-not administration.

for ndsu administration to propose it would be ridiculous, for a faculty member to do so...........

this stuff has to come from the bottom up, with folks at the top having the discretion to apply it as they wish (or dare)

roadwarrior
10-11-2007, 01:15 PM
I think that NDSU officials are handling it the way that they should. The silent treatment. Conference membership is going to be the biggest stumbling block that und is going to have to face on this issue.

Bison bison
10-11-2007, 01:50 PM
i agree completely.

imabison
10-11-2007, 03:35 PM
i wonder if ndsu would ever enact such a policy........
I believe the NDSU policy about 5 years ago would be that the announcers would not use the nickname when the teams were playing in any sports.

For instance now checking in for the "UND or University of up north" instead of checking in for the "Fighting Who or the WHO"

DORMIE
10-11-2007, 06:13 PM
One of my friends was recently up in GF and noticed the reference on a poster to The Force and not the FS. They did have the FS web site on the bottom, however. Road mentioned that at Central Michigan the campus is across from the casino. The agreement between the Tribe and the University was no indian characher or feathers thus just the "C" as their logo.

bisonpride4ever
10-12-2007, 12:26 AM
I think that NDSU officials are handling it the way that they should. The silent treatment. Conference membership is going to be the biggest stumbling block that und is going to have to face on this issue.

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